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tyrannis

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This will be my 4th cycle after im done recovering from this test/eq cycle.

Purpose: bulking

Stats: weight 253
BF: 23%

I dont wanna hear shit about my body fat. yes, i know its high. yes, im doing the cycle anyway. yes, i know the potential consequences. lost almost 12% on my current cycle, and ill probably lose more on this next one.

Test E: 400-500 mg/wk 1-12
Superdrol: 10 mg/day for the first week, then 20mg/day if tolerated well for 3 more weeks.
Tren ace: 200mg/wk for the first week, then Tren E 200mg/wk if tolerated well for 7 more weeks.
No AI planned at t his time for this cycle

Standard Nolva/clomid PCT.
 
Bro i think your should drop your body fat before start this cycle
 
If you don't wanna hear critique of your cycle and you are gonna do it anyway then why did you post it in the first place?

I am not gonna bs or preach about your bf but keep in mind that you can expect a lot of aromatization with that combination of fairly high bf plus not using an AI.
 
Well my friend, because i already know that thats whats gonna be said. Everyone is gonna say it, i know this. But again, ill reiterate my original post.. im going to do it anyway. I did damn good with this last cycle when i started at 34% BF. Only more progress to be had with this next one. Tren and superdrol dont aromatize, and i tolerate lower doses of test well. So im not worried about it the AI
 
sisir012 said:
Bro i think your should drop your body fat before start this cycle
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appreciate the input. ill take it into consideration..

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Fella Finn said:
If you don't wanna hear critique of your cycle and you are gonna do it anyway then why did you post it in the first place?

I am not gonna bs or preach about your bf but keep in mind that you can expect a lot of aromatization with that combination of fairly high bf plus not using an AI.
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why did i post it? just wanted to see what everyone though of this for bulking purposes.
 
i love how you would ask for help then tell people how to answer it... thats what moms are for dude... to tell you what you want to hear... i mean, if you really want help, then why not ask for the purpose of getting it... i dont get that at all... i guess everyone is different but i dont know... whatever, good luck to you
 
A bulking cycle with only test as a wet compound? I guess you could... good luck adding size with Sdrol and tren.

Why not a classic stack? Deca, test and dbol or drol for example?
 
tyrannis said:
Well my friend, because i already know that thats whats gonna be said. Everyone is gonna say it, i know this. But again, ill reiterate my original post.. im going to do it anyway. I did damn good with this last cycle when i started at 34% BF. Only more progress to be had with this next one. Tren and superdrol dont aromatize, and i tolerate lower doses of test well. So im not worried about it the AI
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So do whatever you're gonna do and tell us about how bad it was after.
 
Mobster is alright I just sense he is cautious and doesn't like to see people fuck themselves up, which is good. Its solid advice. Steroids are serious shit.

Im not that huge believer of bulk/cut like the way some people describe it. Unless litterally cutting for a competition..
Maybe because my diet is incredibly lean, chicken breast, brown rice, vegetables ect. Protein shakes with ground oats.
I'm always lean, if I'm taking a lot of gear I just add extra ground oats to my shakes. But I never go for a bulking wet look. Never eat little own 'bulk' with McDonald's, donuts and stupid things like iv seen some do when they think of bulk. Like as if the fat will turn to muscle, that doesn't happen.

Maybe the word you're looking for is recomp.
With test and tren you will lose fat and gain muscle. Tren is an amazing hormone.
Never used sdrol.

Maybe stick with tren ace for entire cycle.

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Maybe tbol is better suited. Much Less sides, dry non aromatising.
Tbol doesn't make u feel awesome/amped like dbol. It's pretty gentle

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I'd you stick with 250 test, 75 to 100 eod tops tren ace and some tbol you'll be set. Ideally you want to take, .25 caber e3d starting a couple weeks in.

Eat a lot of clean and healthy food like I suggested. And make sure you do cardio. Jump on the treadmill after every work out except leg day. Even for just 5 minutes.
You will see great progress. You will lean down and also start taking shape tren is hell of a drug. If it's quality.
 
harrywho said:
Mobster is alright I just sense he is cautious and doesn't like to see people fuck themselves up, which is good. Its solid advice. Steroids are serious shit.

Im not that huge believer of bulk/cut like the way some people describe it. Unless litterally cutting for a competition..
Maybe because my diet is incredibly lean, chicken breast, brown rice, vegetables ect. Protein shakes with ground oats.
I'm always lean, if I'm taking a lot of gear I just add extra ground oats to my shakes. But I never go for a bulking wet look. Never eat little own 'bulk' with McDonald's, donuts and stupid things like iv seen some do when they think of bulk. Like as if the fat will turn to muscle, that doesn't happen.

Maybe the word you're looking for is recomp.
With test and tren you will lose fat and gain muscle. Tren is an amazing hormone.
Never used sdrol.

Maybe stick with tren ace for entire cycle.

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Maybe tbol is better suited. Much Less sides, dry non aromatising.
Tbol doesn't make u feel awesome/amped like dbol. It's pretty gentle

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I'd you stick with 250 test, 75 to 100 eod tops tren ace and some tbol you'll be set. Ideally you want to take, .25 caber e3d starting a couple weeks in.

Eat a lot of clean and healthy food like I suggested. And make sure you do cardio. Jump on the treadmill after every work out except leg day. Even for just 5 minutes.
You will see great progress. You will lean down and also start taking shape tren is hell of a drug. If it's quality.
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i really appreciate the input on this. ill definitely look into to what you said more, for sure. i have been trying to keep it clean, to be certain. its not like im eating fast food everyday. but i get what your saying my friend. your input is well valued by me!
 
Not a problem man. The caution comes from the wise and experienced tho. I used to be the same
 
Iv always been arrogant and learnt everything the hard way. The idea is to listen. But i was very invincible when I was younger... Iv done a lot of lsd, pills, ect... Iv endured a lot. Then steroids there is a lot to learn, it's enduring at times esp blasting/cruising thro life, shit ain't always easy or the same as when you start. But lucky I have a strong mind iv always pulled thro, always done well. Have two electrical trades and make over 100k. But not every one can take as much lsd as me and still pull thro, iv seen sooo many fail.

Some use steroids a few times then come off, blame steroids for their limp dick and terrible misery and live a life of low testosterone misery always blaming steroids. That happens a lot I think. That's the reality.
Every cycle you do you, even with proper pct, you will recover less and less from. Until basically blast/cruise or trt. Or misery and blame.

And Iv always said you're only really as big as the dose of gear you're on at that time. Rememeber that. You will never look like you're on tren unless you're on tren lol

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*lsd every weekend from 18 to idk 20 it's a blur. But never again. I'm 30. Id never do it again. 10 plus full blown flashbacks for 6 months to 2 years slowly tapering down. Morphing alien looking back at me in the mirror for 6 months plus. Constant hallucinations for a few years I guess. Lol. But eventually it all went away. I'm lucky I came from a very successful and intelligent family and still always wanted to make somthing of myslef. But yeh after a few years all the hallucinations went away and my thoughts returned to boring Batt shit normal haha.
 
10 plus actually proper fullblown flashbacks everyday* was never bad tho. But boom I'd go to pick up the phone and worm and suddenly everything is in slow motion and wa wa wa ringing and I'd place to the phone to my head and be like, helllooo, like holy shit, then slowly come back to reality. Felt like I was on a tab of lsd every day for a year after I stopped. I'd see rainbows in glasses, geometrical patterns over everything, walls moving. But it was cool at the time I never hated it.
Plus I also lost my identity and had to rebuild a new one slowly over time. Ha. Crazy days.
Id come home to parents and sisters and my bedroom after a big trip and it was like I was gone for 1000 years... I didn't know who these people were, and my bedroom was unrecognisable.
Iv been to heaven, and hell. Close to heaven as I'll ever get.

There is no doubt in my mind we are scientifically and thro mathematical probability 99.99% in a simulation. And that's actually legit not being crazy. This is after researching about the simulation argument from professors. Notably nick bostrom. Also entrepreneur Elon musk
 
when you are trying to lose fat steroids are going to be counter productive especially as you get closer to your fat goal because they are great at prventing wasting

all that fat you originally lost wasn't because of steroids, it was because you were changing what you were doing. the steroids were your motivator. but you don't want to get into the habit of depending on steroids to motivate you or you will just go back to where you were after

what i would rather you do instead is save the steroids and use sarms instead, atleast they are safe to use when overweight and they do boost fat loss.. just food for thought
 
There's really no other way to say it. You need to cut, not bulk. A sarms cutting stack would be a much better alternative.
 
tyrannis said:
gentlemen, gentlemen. im not trying to win the sandow. just build muscle and be as big as i can.
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I understand man. But when you carry extra bodyfat like you do, you aromatize like a mother fucker so gains dont just come. A lean guy will blow you out of the water on gains. You're fighting an uphill battle. Wamt to make more gains, get in shape, and you will.
 
RickRock said:
I understand man. But when you carry extra bodyfat like you do, you aromatize like a mother fucker so gains dont just come. A lean guy will blow you out of the water on gains. You're fighting an uphill battle. Wamt to make more gains, get in shape, and you will.
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yes sir. and thats we should remember is that is my current BF. in the next 3-4 months it should be lower by the time im ready to cycle. at least, thats my plan.
 
end of cycle results:

Start BF: 34%
End BF: 23%

Start SMM: 96 lbs
End SMM: 117.6 LBS

Max Weight: 275.4
Mid/avg Weight: 261.3
End weight: 253.0

Bench: start BB 155 lbs, end 275lbs for reps. Max not tested. est: 350lbs 1RM
Bench: start DB 60 lbs, end 120lbs for reps. Max not tested. est: 135lbs 1RM

Curls: start: 30lbs
Curls: end: 70lbs (good form)

Skull crushers: start 70lbs (EZ bar)
Skull crushers: end 135lbs for reps (EZ bar)

One handed DB rows: start 100lbs for reps
One handed Db rows: end 120lbs for reps (could go higher, max at my gym).

Squat: start 225lbs for reps
Squat: end 365lbs max

Deads: hate em

Overhead DB press: start 50 lbs
Overhead DB press: end 85-90 lbs for reps
Seated BB press: start 95lbs
Seated BB press: end 225lbs

Granted this is including the 2 months of training i did naturally before i hit the gear. so the gains werent all from the gear. seems like my muscle memory kicked in and then the roids put them in to overdrive.

Compounds used: 500mg Test E every week, 400mg EQ per week.
 
tyrannis said:
end of cycle results:

Start BF: 34%
End BF: 23%

Start SMM: 96 lbs
End SMM: 117.6 LBS

Max Weight: 275.4
Mid/avg Weight: 261.3
End weight: 253.0

Bench: start BB 155 lbs, end 275lbs for reps. Max not tested. est: 350lbs 1RM
Bench: start DB 60 lbs, end 120lbs for reps. Max not tested. est: 135lbs 1RM

Curls: start: 30lbs
Curls: end: 70lbs (good form)

Skull crushers: start 70lbs (EZ bar)
Skull crushers: end 135lbs for reps (EZ bar)

One handed DB rows: start 100lbs for reps
One handed Db rows: end 120lbs for reps (could go higher, max at my gym).

Squat: start 225lbs for reps
Squat: end 365lbs max

Deads: hate em

Overhead DB press: start 50 lbs
Overhead DB press: end 85-90 lbs for reps
Seated BB press: start 95lbs
Seated BB press: end 225lbs

Granted this is including the 2 months of training i did naturally before i hit the gear. so the gains werent all from the gear. seems like my muscle memory kicked in and then the roids put them in to overdrive.

Compounds used: 500mg Test E every week, 400mg EQ per week.
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bro great results...you going to hit a cycle again?
 
tyrannis said:
end of cycle results:

Start BF: 34%
End BF: 23%

Start SMM: 96 lbs
End SMM: 117.6 LBS

Max Weight: 275.4
Mid/avg Weight: 261.3
End weight: 253.0

Bench: start BB 155 lbs, end 275lbs for reps. Max not tested. est: 350lbs 1RM
Bench: start DB 60 lbs, end 120lbs for reps. Max not tested. est: 135lbs 1RM

Curls: start: 30lbs
Curls: end: 70lbs (good form)

Skull crushers: start 70lbs (EZ bar)
Skull crushers: end 135lbs for reps (EZ bar)

One handed DB rows: start 100lbs for reps
One handed Db rows: end 120lbs for reps (could go higher, max at my gym).

Squat: start 225lbs for reps
Squat: end 365lbs max

Deads: hate em

Overhead DB press: start 50 lbs
Overhead DB press: end 85-90 lbs for reps
Seated BB press: start 95lbs
Seated BB press: end 225lbs

Granted this is including the 2 months of training i did naturally before i hit the gear. so the gains werent all from the gear. seems like my muscle memory kicked in and then the roids put them in to overdrive.

Compounds used: 500mg Test E every week, 400mg EQ per week.
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Great progress brother , I’ll tell ya what .... these guys preach and preach everyone is different . Yet they say get bf % lower and lower and lower . Then most not all say 500 mg test first cycle .... ummmm no !!!!

You can run a cycle at 20% bf and work your ass off 5 days a week and absolutely a dose of test at 350 mgs a week is going to help you increase lean muscle mass and help your fat loss a hell of a lot more than natural diet and cutting period . So tired of hearing the same repetitive talk .

Diet , cardio , train hard and add low dose test equals fat loss and muscle gain !!!!!! Get bloods and have an AI on hand in case .
 
I happen to agree with this. I don’t really see a problem running a cycle at higher bf. although I also agree from experience the lower bf the better. I would consider dropping the Superdrol and adding something like Cardarine instead. Keep in mind you can drop fro 30 to 20 with some minor lifestyle changes. Going from 20 to 10 is exponentially harder.
 
Definitely get that bodyfat down before starting a cycle again. You aromatize a lot when bodyfat is higher, leading to less gains than if you were leaner. Also sides are higher and there is a greater strain on your health
 
While, yes you can run cycles at higher body fat, you will get less gains from it due to higher estrogen conversion, greater cardiovascular strain etc.
 
With a higher body fat you'd prob want to run like 250 test with 350 to 500 tren. And either winstrol/tbol/anavar. And just eat chicken and low carb super healthy.
 
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