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Across all the forums I'll see an occasional post which makes me think the poster is just trying stuff out. It all looks kinda random. An example just recently was a thread in which the member had used test (500mg) and added one oral. In the next cycle, test again, but a different oral and so on for 4 cycles. They were asking what to do next.

Now there are several issues for me.

There's no need to try out drugs like this. If the first one hit the spot then do it again. You do NOT need to work your way down a list of AAS

I plan. If, as is my want, I want to use PEDs to increase my strength then I'll go look up (via the articles) which ones are best for my aim. So a test with var will not always produce the same results as a test with Tbol cycle

Now I get that there's an argument for (more so with fat loss and muscle gain) ALL anabolic steroids having an effect if the diet is on point but taking that view to an extreme allows for us ending up with one.

Equally there's the individual response and preference. Response could be (always assuming everything is equal and on point) something like one fella having gyno issues and another none with the same dose. You've also got shorter vs longer esters. That's down to pinning and, in some cases, competitive needs.

But to negate that all the experience and knowledge of the 100's of thousands of users that have gone before - hence the articles. With info from what the roid was medically created for to the anabolic / androgenic ratio. Some places even give these a score. What all this means is you can plan and make proper selections and, for the most part, do NOT need to pick a drug like a child at a pick and mix counter.

You WILL still see the odd occasional individual response. From a reaction to an oil or alcohol (PIP being one problem) to receptor affinity (which changes over time). It's why we have all, when attending hospitals for something major, adjustments in doses. That can come down to body mass and or fat levels as well as receptor affinity. But that might mean upping a little the amount of mg's a day/week/etc using a cycle which worked before. If you got great results before that same cycle will work again. To say that it doesn't would mean we'd need to change each and every time. We no more need to do that with AAS than we do with paracetamol.

Finally if you use a reliable source like our trusted sponsors the other problems some suffer from are also negated. This include, but are not limited to, KNOWING you're getting the right dose per ml, the right drug and right ester of the drug each and every time. It's when these aren't on point that we can often see differences creep in when there shouldn't be any. When you use a source no one has tested or tried it can mean you NOT getting what you think you are. Imagine changing it from cycle to cycle like the member I mentioned right at the beginning and still not know what you were really getting!

So plan and pick properly.
 
I agree everyone has to plan cycles but no everyone responds to AAS the same, so has to be give and take in the planning.
 
There is a process to learning about anything.

When you start out, you keep it simple and then as you go along, you learn more about the complexities and the intricacies. And then once you become an expert on all the ins and outs and spend years exploring what's best , you go back to keeping it simple.
 
I feel like guys overthink AAS way too much. I wish there could be a study of a guy that just did 500mg test per week every cycle he every did vs a guy that played around with all different compounds, doses, etc. and compare their results. Remember, steroids are only the icing on the cake. The real results come from your diet and training.
 
Keep reading, learning and once you are more familiar and confident about your choice, select products
 
It's a learning process IMO. Hard to plan when still learning thats why newbies come to EVO to ask.

And that's why we have those articles. But look at what I said - there are members literally working their way down a list of drugs. ZERO need. Because, as I've said, 100's of thousands already did that for you.
 
i think one of the most important things in fitness is trial and error but if you don't learn from T&E then you will just spin your wheels forever

100 percent brother... this is ALL trial and error... we can know every single piece of science, have all the experience in the world, read every single day and yet, each individual has a completely different body response to different compounds.. each person has to go through periods of their own personal trial and error to find out which is best suited for them!
 
100 percent brother... this is ALL trial and error... we can know every single piece of science, have all the experience in the world, read every single day and yet, each individual has a completely different body response to different compounds.. each person has to go through periods of their own personal trial and error to find out which is best suited for them!

We all agree that there will always be some level of individual response. No one can say Y will gain 10lbs so will X and Z. But it cannot be 'all trial and error' or else none of us should do cycle advise. Every reply would be 'try it and see' lol.

A simple example and one which most will agree with: Dbol. Aka a 'wet roid' Most gains tend to be a lot of water. That's true regardless of how clean a diet is and if the user used it to get lean. Arguably a bad drug for that purpose. In SOME users that water can lead to BP issues. Ideally dosed at 30-50mg a day for the average Joe. Used, as often as not, for a first cycle.

All true? And based on all our personal reactions and 1000's if not 10's of 1000's of others. Probably the most used steroid ever as a PED

Individual response would be:
1) How much gained on and how much kept off
2) How much water and how much muscle
3) How strong you got (easy enough to be individual cos who knows where the user started from)
4) BP issues - how fat was the user? Did they have health problems before (it's why we ask for info)
5) Does the user eat right and put out enough effort training?

And more. It's why we often reply 'we cannot say precisely what'll you'll gain'.

But all trial and error makes anything we offer by way of educated and personal experience as advise a waste of time. Which it is not. By way of an example in this - if we had ALL the info we needed and was doing a proper 1-2-1 with a client we can more or less carve in stone exactly what will happen. And I know I've done this, Stevesmi has and other mods who do advice in this way have.

Members asking: the more info you give (and more if we coach you) the more accurate the 'guess' will be.

And why? Cos we will KNOW based on our sizing you up, knowledge of typical responses, personal experience and... PLANNING! :)
 
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