ive ran them together several times... 14-16 weeks of each , both at 600 mg each.. there's a reason i ran them together multiple times, because i loved the results but you clearly want to be on the leaner side with them to really get the most out of them... dont let someone tell you they are fat loss drugs, because they are not.. they are compounds you want to use when you are already in great condition to take that to another level but if you are not, you will never truly see them working as they are capable...