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question about first dbol/test cycle

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haisensei

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47, lifelong natty lifter until this year. 5'11, 240, 13%bf. Did one cycle on TRT with anavar and perfect PCT and noticed some good results. Goal is recomp. Lift 4x/week, cardio 3x/week.

Presently on week 4 of:
Test cypionate 500mg/week
Dbol 30mg/day (10 AM/20 PM)
Cardarine
SR9009
N2Guard
aromasin 12.5mg EOD
proviron 25mg/day

Question is I want to come off the dbol but continue the rest as my BP (lifelong hypertension even when in great shape) is staying too high for my liking; do I need to taper the dbol or can I stop it straight up?

Labs are perfect, E2 25, shbg low, prolactin normal and of course free and total test are high. CBC, lfts, psa, lipid panel are all perfect. Feel great, libido is through the roof which the wife loves.

Appreciate this forum and members for sharing their intel and opinions.
 
haisensei said:
47, lifelong natty lifter until this year. 5'11, 240, 13%bf. Did one cycle on TRT with anavar and perfect PCT and noticed some good results. Goal is recomp. Lift 4x/week, cardio 3x/week.

Presently on week 4 of:
Test cypionate 500mg/week
Dbol 30mg/day (10 AM/20 PM)
Cardarine
SR9009
N2Guard
aromasin 12.5mg EOD
proviron 25mg/day

Question is I want to come off the dbol but continue the rest as my BP (lifelong hypertension even when in great shape) is staying too high for my liking; do I need to taper the dbol or can I stop it straight up?

Labs are perfect, E2 25, shbg low, prolactin normal and of course free and total test are high. CBC, lfts, psa, lipid panel are all perfect. Feel great, libido is through the roof which the wife loves.

Appreciate this forum and members for sharing their intel and opinions.
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You can come off dbol and keep going with the rest of the cycle OR (even better IMO) you switch the dbol to anavar for another 6 weeks, that will harden you up good. Consider adding cardazol preworkout too for a good energy boost and amazing pumps and cardio.
 
haisensei said:
47, lifelong natty lifter until this year. 5'11, 240, 13%bf. Did one cycle on TRT with anavar and perfect PCT and noticed some good results. Goal is recomp. Lift 4x/week, cardio 3x/week.

Presently on week 4 of:
Test cypionate 500mg/week
Dbol 30mg/day (10 AM/20 PM)
Cardarine
SR9009
N2Guard
aromasin 12.5mg EOD
proviron 25mg/day

Question is I want to come off the dbol but continue the rest as my BP (lifelong hypertension even when in great shape) is staying too high for my liking; do I need to taper the dbol or can I stop it straight up?

Labs are perfect, E2 25, shbg low, prolactin normal and of course free and total test are high. CBC, lfts, psa, lipid panel are all perfect. Feel great, libido is through the roof which the wife loves.

Appreciate this forum and members for sharing their intel and opinions.
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even perfectly healthy people can have heart issues from steroids. this is why we keep our cycles short and never run too much
 
haisensei said:
47, lifelong natty lifter until this year. 5'11, 240, 13%bf. Did one cycle on TRT with anavar and perfect PCT and noticed some good results. Goal is recomp. Lift 4x/week, cardio 3x/week.

Presently on week 4 of:
Test cypionate 500mg/week
Dbol 30mg/day (10 AM/20 PM)
Cardarine
SR9009
N2Guard
aromasin 12.5mg EOD
proviron 25mg/day

Question is I want to come off the dbol but continue the rest as my BP (lifelong hypertension even when in great shape) is staying too high for my liking; do I need to taper the dbol or can I stop it straight up?

Labs are perfect, E2 25, shbg low, prolactin normal and of course free and total test are high. CBC, lfts, psa, lipid panel are all perfect. Feel great, libido is through the roof which the wife loves.

Appreciate this forum and members for sharing their intel and opinions.
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This year? Like you're on cycle 2 and we're only 3 months in.
 
I've had hypertension since 22, it's genetic. It's well controlled on meds, except on 30 dbol it was getting up to 145/95 or so. That's too high for my liking. Just a personal choice.

2nd cycle of the last 12 months, not 2021. Thx for calling me out, I wrote that poorly.

Switching to anavar is a good idea as I did bulk really nicely and would like to recomp but probably more cut for summer. Am not a bodybuilder but look pretty good compared to where I was not long ago. Very pleased with the results from this mild cycle. Do I need to delay before starting anavar or just go ahead and start?

Thanks again guys.
 
haisensei said:
47, lifelong natty lifter until this year. 5'11, 240, 13%bf. Did one cycle on TRT with anavar and perfect PCT and noticed some good results. Goal is recomp. Lift 4x/week, cardio 3x/week.

Presently on week 4 of:
Test cypionate 500mg/week
Dbol 30mg/day (10 AM/20 PM)
Cardarine
SR9009
N2Guard
aromasin 12.5mg EOD
proviron 25mg/day

Question is I want to come off the dbol but continue the rest as my BP (lifelong hypertension even when in great shape) is staying too high for my liking; do I need to taper the dbol or can I stop it straight up?

Labs are perfect, E2 25, shbg low, prolactin normal and of course free and total test are high. CBC, lfts, psa, lipid panel are all perfect. Feel great, libido is through the roof which the wife loves.

Appreciate this forum and members for sharing their intel and opinions.
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If recomp is your goal i will use anadrol or superdrol instead of dbol .
 
Thank you.

Last question. If I switched to Anavar as was suggested previously, after 4 weeks dbol and perfect labs is it okay to go straight into anavar for 4-6 weeks or should I wait? Thinking since it's not particularly liver toxic that it would be reasonable to do so but I always err on side of caution.
 
No need to taper. When you run an oral in the beginning of a cycle it is typical just to drop it at the 4-6 week mark and continue on with the rest of the cycle.

Dbol is highly aromatizing so you may need to adjust your AI once coming off the Dbol, you may find that you don't need as much. You don't want to crash your estrogen.

If you have pre-existing high BP or any other health issues, stay on top of it and monitor it very closely on cycle because steroids do put additional stress on your heart and increased blood pressure is common.

You say you did the perfect PCT after running Anavar with TRT. If you are on TRT no PCT is required. PCT is to help recover your body's natural hormone levels but if you are on TRT you will always be shut down anyway so you are wasting time and money for nothing as well as added unnecessary drugs into your system.

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Mobster said:
This year? Like you're on cycle 2 and we're only 3 months in.
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I just caught this as well. Completing one cycle already and 1 month in on the second cycle only 3 months into the year. And pre-existing heart health conditions to boot.
 
haisensei said:
Thank you.

Last question. If I switched to Anavar as was suggested previously, after 4 weeks dbol and perfect labs is it okay to go straight into anavar for 4-6 weeks or should I wait? Thinking since it's not particularly liver toxic that it would be reasonable to do so but I always err on side of caution.
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I would take 2 weeks off and use n2guard 7 caps/day to cleanse the liver/kidneys/organs then go into the anavar cycle for 6 weeks.
 
haisensei said:
Thank you.

Last question. If I switched to Anavar as was suggested previously, after 4 weeks dbol and perfect labs is it okay to go straight into anavar for 4-6 weeks or should I wait? Thinking since it's not particularly liver toxic that it would be reasonable to do so but I always err on side of caution.
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run bloodwork and let's see what we get
 
He did not check those. Prolactin was just above normal, 21.

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Total test >1500, free >50, psa 0.8

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E2 was w3, shbg 12

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E2 23, sorry
 
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