Second Cycle Questions [Help]

[LifeisGood301]

Hello all, this is my first thread here,
So for my second cycle, I plan on adding in HCG, but I want some opinions on the dosing. Also my first cycle was 250 enanthate and I've dabled in sarms (RAD, LGD, and S23 once [that shit's strong!]).
Bulking Cycle:
Pre:
Had some extra test so I've ran 250 for a week. Full cycle started today
Weeks 1-6:
Testosterone Enanthate 350mg (split two times a week)
LGD 4033: 5 MG
Weeks 7-10:
Testosterone Enanthate 500mg (split two times a week)
LGD 4033: 10 MG
Weeks 11-12:
Wash out
Ostarine MK-2866 15mg daily
PCT:
Nolva 40/30/20/20
Ostarine MK-2688 15/15/0/0

I have an AI on hand as well

Can I low dose HCG (250-500IU per week)? Or should I just do the last 4 weeks? Should I run an AI with it if I do and what dosage? I only have arimadex sadly, but it will have to do unless it's gonna have dangerous sides (which I don't think it does with this cycle).
Also I'm pretty damn sure Imma be shutdown hard b/c my test was around 600 before I started...also I ran 10mg of LGD solo last year (I respond really good to it, like 10lbs in 6 weeks which I think is good for a sarm) and it shut me down to 73ng/dL lmao. Sarms from newroids, I trust Seth's COA's so as far as I know it was real for sure.

This was a lot but Thanks for the help in advanced!

 

[Mobster]

Maybe I missed it. Did you forget to include any stats on yourself?

 

[LifeisGood301]

* oops sorry
Stats:
5'9"
180 10-12%
2 years lifting
21 years old

 

[Eddie Haskell]

* oops sorry
Stats:
5'9"
180 10-12%
2 years lifting
21 years old

Ah, LifeisGood suffers ancient Chinese disease called Too Young.

 

[LifeisGood301]

Ah, LifeisGood suffers ancient Chinese disease called Too Young.

Hmm so I'm guessing you believe 25 and older? I'm already not may at this point so idk if the damage is already.

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I meant to say lol:
I'm already not natty so idk if the damage is already done.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Hmm so I'm guessing you believe 25 and older? I'm already not may at this point so idk if the damage is already.

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I meant to say lol:
I'm already not natty so idk if the damage is already done.

Hmm so I'm guessing you believe 25 and older?

Of course. But it hasn't anything to do with belief while it has everything to do with objective fact.

I'm already not natty so idk if the damage is already done.

I see. So a smoker who has been smoking for twenty years shouldn't stop because the damage is already done, right?

 

[Mobster]

Hmm so I'm guessing you believe 25 and older? I'm already not may at this point so idk if the damage is already.

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I meant to say lol:
I'm already not natty so idk if the damage is already done.

You'll find out soon enough. In a year or two we may well see you asking about (as we have so often before) 'restarting my HPTA'.

 

[LifeisGood301]

Naw I get you.
I don't think the steroid induced hypogonadnism isn't as bad as smoking for 20 years. Especially because I'm getting blood work from my doc and he knows about it. I already started this cycle so I'm not gonna stop now.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Naw I get you.
I don't think the steroid induced hypogonadnism isn't as bad as smoking for 20 years. Especially because I'm getting blood work from my doc and he knows about it. I already started this cycle so I'm not gonna stop now.

Staind's "Price to Pay."

Whoops! Sorry, wrong thread. Or was it the wrong thread?

 

[awm1981]

Naw I get you.
I don't think the steroid induced hypogonadnism isn't as bad as smoking for 20 years. Especially because I'm getting blood work from my doc and he knows about it. I already started this cycle so I'm not gonna stop now.

So I didnt run my first actual AAS cycle until I was 35. So much natural growth you can do at your age.

I dont agree with taking AAS at your age so wont comment on the cycle but dude you need an AI from day 1 and throughout your entire PCT. I prefer aromasin because arimidex when you stop can have rebound.

Thats my only comment though to save you from having gyno for life. You may wreck your natural production but at least hopefully you dont end up with gyno.

 

[LifeisGood301]

Ok thanks.
I'm not planning on running that many more cycles if that. Plus my third time being shut down probably won't result in perminant damage, but you never know how many times your body can rebound.
Also I don't know if you can even restart your htpa, and if I end up on TRT that's fine I started this whole journey b/c my test crashed from antidepressants over a year ago

 

[awm1981]

Ok thanks.
I'm not planning on running that many more cycles if that. Plus my third time being shut down probably won't result in perminant damage, but you never know how many times your body can rebound.
Also I don't know if you can even restart your htpa, and if I end up on TRT that's fine I started this whole journey b/c my test crashed from antidepressants over a year ago

So your HPTA can recover but it has to happen by taking long extended breaks.

Clomid and nolva help. HCG does nothing to help recover HPTA.

I do 1-2 cycle of AAS a year. 12 week cycle, then I take 2 weeks pre-pct off then 6 week pct, then I take about 6-8 months off. If you continue to dabble in PEDs and suppress yourself you will ruin your HPTA. TRT sucks man ask the guys here that are on it. Injecting yourself 1-2 times a week for the rest of your life is no joke.

It seems fine now but can you see yourself having to do that foro the next 60+ years plus low/zero chance at being able to have children?

 

[LifeisGood301]

So your HPTA can recover but it has to happen by taking long extended breaks.

Clomid and nolva help. HCG does nothing to help recover HPTA.

I do 1-2 cycle of AAS a year. 12 week cycle, then I take 2 weeks pre-pct off then 6 week pct, then I take about 6-8 months off. If you continue to dabble in PEDs and suppress yourself you will ruin your HPTA. TRT sucks man ask the guys here that are on it. Injecting yourself 1-2 times a week for the rest of your life is no joke.

It seems fine now but can you see yourself having to do that foro the next 60+ years plus low/zero chance at being able to have children?

I thought nolva and clomid helped, but I didn't know if they could "restart your htpa" cause I figured once you've done some damage you'll never get all the way back. I think after running two cycles I should recover over the years, but also like I said I've had low T since I was 18-19 and I got my levels to 700 naturally. Hopefully after this cycle I can bounce back, I kinda jumped into this b/c of tough circumstances but I don't want to run another cycle for awhile. I appreciate the non sarcastic advise though.

And yes I know HCG actually taxes your HTPA cause it mimicks LH and doesn't actually help you recover in the long run. That's why I was thinking super low dosages if that, but maybe I'll just run HCG Generate or make my own I have almost all the ingredients at home lol

 

[LifeisGood301]

So your HPTA can recover but it has to happen by taking long extended breaks.

Clomid and nolva help. HCG does nothing to help recover HPTA.

I do 1-2 cycle of AAS a year. 12 week cycle, then I take 2 weeks pre-pct off then 6 week pct, then I take about 6-8 months off. If you continue to dabble in PEDs and suppress yourself you will ruin your HPTA. TRT sucks man ask the guys here that are on it. Injecting yourself 1-2 times a week for the rest of your life is no joke.

It seems fine now but can you see yourself having to do that foro the next 60+ years plus low/zero chance at being able to have children?

I thought nolva and clomid helped, but I didn't know if they could "restart your htpa" cause I figured once you've done some damage you'll never get all the way back. I think after running two cycles I should recover over the years, but also like I said I've had low T since I was 18-19 and I got my levels to 700 naturally. Hopefully after this cycle I can bounce back, I kinda jumped into this b/c of tough circumstances but I don't want to run another cycle for awhile. I appreciate the non sarcastic advise though. Hopefully I can delay TRT for awhile if not forever, that's one of the things I'm currently studying and looking out for. B/C I don't believe TRT is the best option for people in the medical field, though it can be more expensive than just running gear at low dosages which sucks as well. Like for me to get a prescription of test on medicaid at my age was a pain in the ass.

And yes I know HCG actually taxes your HTPA cause it mimicks LH and doesn't actually help you recover in the long run. That's why I was thinking super low dosages if that, but maybe I'll just run HCG Generate or make my own I have almost all the ingredients at home lol

 

[stevesmi]

Hmm so I'm guessing you believe 25 and older? I'm already not may at this point so idk if the damage is already.

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I meant to say lol:
I'm already not natty so idk if the damage is already done.

did you even run blood work before and after your first 'cycle'?

i mean i can't hammer you on that cause lets face it most guys don't do it but your attitude of 'yeah i made damage anyway' is not a smart strategy.. you have your entire life in front of you. do you want a dead HPTA in your 20s? when you get older and meet a great girl and break the news to her that you can't have kids good luck keeping her around

 

[LifeisGood301]

I don’t think it’s letting me respond.
But yes I did do blood work I recovered like I said in the OP to 600ng/dL.
250mg a week for 10weeks
Nolva 40/40/20/20 pct

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And I’ve been getting bloodwork routinely b/c like I said antipressants crashed my T to 150ng/dL when I was 19. I appreciate your concern though I’m not unaware of the consequences but considering that I just got out of the hospital again for depression again I’m not that afraid at this point. Gear won’t help that I know, therapy will

 

[LifeisGood301]

So your HPTA can recover but it has to happen by taking long extended breaks.

Clomid and nolva help. HCG does nothing to help recover HPTA.

I do 1-2 cycle of AAS a year. 12 week cycle, then I take 2 weeks pre-pct off then 6 week pct, then I take about 6-8 months off. If you continue to dabble in PEDs and suppress yourself you will ruin your HPTA. TRT sucks man ask the guys here that are on it. Injecting yourself 1-2 times a week for the rest of your life is no joke.

It seems fine now but can you see yourself having to do that foro the next 60+ years plus low/zero chance at being able to have children?

I think my first reply got blocked or has to be checked by an admin but...
Yeah I know HCG only mimicks LH and therefor only another exogenous hormone going into my body...further suppressing HTPA...it’s why you don’t run it in PCT only on cycle. I was thinking of just running low dosages, but I could run HCgenerate I have most of the ingredients at my place I could probably make it myself if that’s more recommended lol.
I want this to be my last cycle for awhile and I’d rather not be in TRT forever. Thanks for the concern and non sarcastic responses I appreciate it

 

[aestheticdream]

I personally need around 1g of arimidex/week on 350 test .. it depends from person to person .. I guess the standard for 500 is 0.5 EOD .. and yes aromasin is better .. but arimidex gets it done too .. you have to get blood work to get it right though .. it's not necessary to run hcg for the whole cycle .. you can if you want .. twice/week .. 500iu/week .. if you want just run it the last 4 weeks .. 9-12 ..

 

[dylangemelli]

Naw I get you.
I don't think the steroid induced hypogonadnism isn't as bad as smoking for 20 years. Especially because I'm getting blood work from my doc and he knows about it. I already started this cycle so I'm not gonna stop now.

your doctor and bloodwork is not going to prevent long term damage from happening... i literally cannot stand it when someone your age tries to tell guys who have been doing this since you were in elementary how this works and whats going to happen... good luck... im done getting upset about things like this etc.. im just ignoring them etc... and im also done with people that come to me for help after the fact they were told not to do it

 

[awm1981]

I think my first reply got blocked or has to be checked by an admin but...
Yeah I know HCG only mimicks LH and therefor only another exogenous hormone going into my body...further suppressing HTPA...it’s why you don’t run it in PCT only on cycle. I was thinking of just running low dosages, but I could run HCgenerate I have most of the ingredients at my place I could probably make it myself if that’s more recommended lol.
I want this to be my last cycle for awhile and I’d rather not be in TRT forever. Thanks for the concern and non sarcastic responses I appreciate it

Sorry missed that you recovered to 600 levels of test. Thats a really good level I would be careful damaging that.

Thats crazy though the anti-depressants crashed your T levels. Did they at least switch you to new meds?

The issue honestly with depression and cycling steroids is that your hormones are already all over the place and then you are playing with them with steroids which can cause the depression to worsen.

I have anxiety as im claustrophobic so when flying or being on a train or closed area for a while I need anxiety meds. When running test it can cause it to heighten.

Again just looking out for your health be very careful with whatever you choose to do.

 

[LifeisGood301]

I had multiple people tell me to wait till I was 21 so I did.
Idk how everything works that’s why I’m asking. When it comes to 20 years of smoking that’s a lot of damage, idk how much damage 2 cycles will do.

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your doctor and bloodwork is not going to prevent long term damage from happening... i literally cannot stand it when someone your age tries to tell guys who have been doing this since you were in elementary how this works and whats going to happen... good luck... im done getting upset about things like this etc.. im just ignoring them etc... and im also done with people that come to me for help after the fact they were told not to do it

Rip I meant to quote. But like I said I don’t know more than y’all ofc

 

[dylangemelli]

I had multiple people tell me to wait till I was 21 so I did.
Idk how everything works that’s why I’m asking. When it comes to 20 years of smoking that’s a lot of damage, idk how much damage 2 cycles will do.

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Rip I meant to quote. But like I said I don’t know more than y’all ofc

wtf does smoking have to do with ANY of this??? anything?? it has nothing to do with it... we are not talking about smoking anything... you do you man... good luck... you need it... some people are FULLY intent on learning the hard way and thats the only way they learn...

 

[LifeisGood301]

Sorry missed that you recovered to 600 levels of test. Thats a really good level I would be careful damaging that.

Thats crazy though the anti-depressants crashed your T levels. Did they at least switch you to new meds?

The issue honestly with depression and cycling steroids is that your hormones are already all over the place and then you are playing with them with steroids which can cause the depression to worsen.

I have anxiety as im claustrophobic so when flying or being on a train or closed area for a while I need anxiety meds. When running test it can cause it to heighten.

Again just looking out for your health be very careful with whatever you choose to do.

Yeah they switched my meds.
Honestly, I think antidepressants have a lot more effects on hormones than they warn us about. Under most FDA regulated SSRI and SSNRI’s they list gynechomastia as a rare side effect and sexual issues are common ofc. I think they might act on estrogen or proloactin in some way or another.

My psychologist said that the testosterone isn’t that much of a concern but the PCT is the dangerous part from my experience. I have to be perfect or it can be rough. Hence why I’m adding Ostarine this time. She also said nolvadex is less effective while taking some SSRIsz

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wtf does smoking have to do with ANY of this??? anything?? it has nothing to do with it... we are not talking about smoking anything... you do you man... good luck... you need it... some people are FULLY intent on learning the hard way and thats the only way they learn...

One of the members sarcastically made that remark at me. That’s why it was brought up.
Maybe I will have to learn the hard way, but I’m into this cycle already. I just want the best possible advice to recover the best I can. I thought it wasn’t that divisive to run around my age but I guess I was wrong lol.

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[dylangemelli]

Yeah they switched my meds.
Honestly, I think antidepressants have a lot more effects on hormones than they warn us about. Under most FDA regulated SSRI and SSNRI’s they list gynechomastia as a rare side effect and sexual issues are common ofc. I think they might act on estrogen or proloactin in some way or another.

My psychologist said that the testosterone isn’t that much of a concern but the PCT is the dangerous part from my experience. I have to be perfect or it can be rough. Hence why I’m adding Ostarine this time. She also said nolvadex is less effective while taking some SSRIsz

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One of the members sarcastically made that remark at me. That’s why it was brought up.
Maybe I will have to learn the hard way, but I’m into this cycle already. I just want the best possible advice to recover the best I can. I thought it wasn’t that divisive to run around my age but I guess I was wrong lol.

you couldnt be more wrong and you can easily stop right now instead of being so ignorant about it and safe yourself a fuckload of trouble but like i said you dont want to listen and yet you tell me you follow my videos and value my opinion... i hate when people say that shit to me and clearly dont mean that and only want to hear what they want to hear... anyway, im done with this one.. .good luck

 

[LifeisGood301]

you couldnt be more wrong and you can easily stop right now instead of being so ignorant about it and safe yourself a fuckload of trouble but like i said you dont want to listen and yet you tell me you follow my videos and value my opinion... i hate when people say that shit to me and clearly dont mean that and only want to hear what they want to hear... anyway, im done with this one.. .good luck

Tbh I knew you didn’t approve of AAS at a young age, but I honestly didn’t know what age...I haven’t watched ALL your videos. I’ve heard different ranges from diff ppl

 

[dylangemelli]

Tbh I knew you didn’t approve of AAS at a young age, but I honestly didn’t know what age...I haven’t watched ALL your videos. I’ve heard different ranges from diff ppl

i never advise it to anyone under 25 but even at 25 i tell people to hold off until their late 20's

 

[LifeisGood301]

i never advise it to anyone under 25 but even at 25 i tell people to hold off until their late 20's

I already have like 500mg of test in my body rn you think I should just stop?
Also do you mean I'm wrong about SSRI or just running my age? When I ran 250mgI recovered to 600ng/dL, but I guess you never know how many times your body will rebound. I thought these dosages weren't considered to be abusive is it known to permanently damage people my age b/c we may not be fully developed? I really do appreciate the replies I'm not trying to act arrogant

 

[dylangemelli]

I already have like 500mg of test in my body rn you think I should just stop?
Also do you mean I'm wrong about SSRI or just running my age? When I ran 250mgI recovered to 600ng/dL, but I guess you never know how many times your body will rebound. I thought these dosages weren't considered to be abusive is it known to permanently damage people my age b/c we may not be fully developed? I really do appreciate the replies I'm not trying to act arrogant

As i said u need to just stop. Yes its fine to stop. My answer is not going to change. Listen im not going to continue to go back and forth with u on this. Thousands of people over the years ive had to help in the same STUPID situation they put themselves in using steroids to young. Its not me giving u my opinion on this. Its all fact. You do whatever u want to do from here


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[LifeisGood301]

As i said u need to just stop. Yes its fine to stop. My answer is not going to change. Listen im not going to continue to go back and forth with u on this. Thousands of people over the years ive had to help in the same STUPID situation they put themselves in using steroids to young. Its not me giving u my opinion on this. Its all fact. You do whatever u want to do from here


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Alright, I'll look into it. Thanks for your advice

 

[muskate]

I already have like 500mg of test in my body rn you think I should just stop?
Also do you mean I'm wrong about SSRI or just running my age? When I ran 250mgI recovered to 600ng/dL, but I guess you never know how many times your body will rebound. I thought these dosages weren't considered to be abusive is it known to permanently damage people my age b/c we may not be fully developed? I really do appreciate the replies I'm not trying to act arrogant

A man goes through puberty until about the age of 25. Using steroids (or anything that suppresses HPTA function) will prevent you from fully going through puberty properly.

Long term you will be better off waiting until you are 25+

 

[LifeisGood301]

A man goes through puberty until about the age of 25. Using steroids (or anything that suppresses HPTA function) will prevent you from fully going through puberty properly.

Long term you will be better off waiting until you are 25+

This is a legitimate question, I feel like I have to preface myself lol
Since Prozac and other meds crashed my T when I was 19 and I ran one cycle at 21 (250mg) does that mean I've already inhibited my puberty? Or is that something I can't text for.

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Test for*
Damn typos

 

[Buffbanker]

Realize that AAS has a direct impact on your CNS/PNS, specifically dopamine and serotonin, all neurotransmitters that you are currently under the medical treatment for their dysfunction. Aside from being too young which has been covered ad naseum you need to be more concerned with your mental health. It seems to be overlooked but you just said you got out of the hospital for depression...starting a cycle was the last thing you should be doing.

 

[LifeisGood301]

Realize that AAS has a direct impact on your CNS/PNS, specifically dopamine and serotonin, all neurotransmitters that you are currently under the medical treatment for their dysfunction. Aside from being too young which has been covered ad naseum you need to be more concerned with your mental health. It seems to be overlooked but you just said you got out of the hospital for depression...starting a cycle was the last thing you should be doing.

Yeah I didn't think about how much they would effect serotonin and dopamine. That should be accounted for as well. From my experience I didn't feel that much different on 250mg at all (mentally, recovery was good ofc). For example RAD gave me roid rage but test didn't really do anything no change of antidepressants.

At the end of the day it depends if I wanna continue this cycle cause I know the risks. I wanted it to be my last and I feel robbed b/c I lost weight in the hospital hence why I'm back on. Plus like I said my doctor wanted me on TRT 2 years ago, so I kinda figure that's up my alley, but I recovered twice so maybe I'm not doomed

 

[LifeisGood301]

I'm not fresh out of the hospital btw. It's been almost 2 months.
But I guess that doesn't change the facts of how AAS still has the capability to permanently damage my endocrine system. Just wanted to clarify.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I'm not fresh out of the hospital btw. It's been almost 2 months.
But I guess that doesn't change the facts of how AAS still has the capability to permanently damage my endocrine system. Just wanted to clarify.

So now might you understand the cigarette-smoking analogy I presented to you, LifeisGood?
If not, then think about it. Millions of people have stopped smoking cigarettes, allowed their bodies to heal themselves, and then gone on to lead perfectly healthy lives for several more decades. But once one's HPTA has been fried, that's it, it's fried forever.
Ergo, and contrary to your thinking, using anabolic steroids too early in life can be far more debilitating than smoking cigarettes for several years.

 

[LifeisGood301]

So now might you understand the cigarette-smoking analogy I presented to you, LifeisGood?
If not, then think about it. Millions of people have stopped smoking cigarettes, allowed their bodies to heal themselves, and then gone on to lead perfectly healthy lives for several more decades. But once one's HPTA has been fried, that's it, it's fried forever.
Ergo, and contrary to your thinking, using anabolic steroids too early in life can be far more debilitating than smoking cigarettes for several years.

Yes I understand now, it can be more debilitating. I guess what I don't understand is whether or not my system is already fried / if this cycle will do me in. But whether I can rebound a third time is a question I guess we won't know until it happens. I could come off now and not rebound as well. And also maybe it doesn't matter if I rebound...cause I was only at 600ng/dL for about 4 months and 10 years down the line I could have issues is what ya'll are getting at I'm guessing.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Yes I understand now, it can be more debilitating. I guess what I don't understand is whether or not my system is already fried / if this cycle will do me in. But whether I can rebound a third time is a question I guess we won't know until it happens. I could come off now and not rebound as well. And also maybe it doesn't matter if I rebound...cause I was only at 600ng/dL for about 4 months and 10 years down the line I could have issues is what ya'll are getting at I'm guessing.

What exactly is it that causes you to think that you would not rebound well were you to stop your current cycle this very day?

 

[LifeisGood301]

What exactly is it that causes you to think that you would not rebound well were you to stop your current cycle this very day?

This is technically Week 1, but I injected two weeks ago and twice last week to try and frontload with what I had left...which I haven't suffered estrogenic side effects from surprisingly (so a total of 4 injections 500/250 twice that week/125 this week planning to inject again). So I'm above 500mg in my body and I would think I have some surpression with the LGD as well. I think I have some atrophy but I'm not sure. I'm just saying I would have to rebound and theres always that chance, but I probably would rebound better now than later. I planned pretty hard for this and thankfully I don't really have to pay for all of my gear b/c I the work I do, but I still have money in this so its a tough decision to drop it.

 

[LifeisGood301]

Also I will do some research on SSRI and SNRI's relating to the endocrine system. If I find anything new I'll let ya'll know (I'm sure ya'll have researched this as well...so I'll search around the forum).
I had a good talk with my psychiatrist today about this, and Imma look more into the research but I haven't looked at it about a year its pretty scarce. I know SSRIs have an effect on the CYP450 enzyme from what I remember...considering the aromataze enzyme is CYP19A1 idk if they are in the same category.
I may as well contribute here since I gave everyone here a headache lol

 

[Eddie Haskell]

This is technically Week 1, but I injected two weeks ago and twice last week to try and frontload with what I had left...which I haven't suffered estrogenic side effects from surprisingly (so a total of 4 injections 500/250 twice that week/125 this week planning to inject again). So I'm above 500mg in my body and I would think I have some surpression with the LGD as well. I think I have some atrophy but I'm not sure. I'm just saying I would have to rebound and theres always that chance, but I probably would rebound better now than later. I planned pretty hard for this and thankfully I don't really have to pay for all of my gear b/c I the work I do, but I still have money in this so its a tough decision to drop it.

I can assure you that your fears relative to your system rebounding are both unfounded and completely illogical. You could stop the cycle today, wait two weeks, and then begin at least a small-scale PCT that would eliminate any chance of your rebounding.

 

[LifeisGood301]

I can assure you that your fears relative to your system rebounding are both unfounded and completely illogical. You could stop the cycle today, wait two weeks, and then begin at least a small-scale PCT that would eliminate any chance of your rebounding.

I think we are defining rebounding differently. I was saying rebound as in my levels going back up...we'll go with your definition b/c I'm not well educated on AAS lingo obviously.

That's what I said, I would recover better if I stop right now. I would (well should for optimal recovery) still have to run mini PCT...meaning my htpa is still recovering...but like you said it should completely recover rn. And looking back on it I am being illogical b/c being slightly surpressed is a lot better than being heaviily surpressed/shut down.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I think we are defining rebounding differently. I was saying rebound as in my levels going back up...we'll go with your definition b/c I'm not well educated on AAS lingo obviously.

That's what I said, I would recover better if I stop right now. I would (well should for optimal recovery) still have to run mini PCT...meaning my htpa is still recovering...but like you said it should completely recover rn. And looking back on it I am being illogical b/c being slightly surpressed is a lot better than being heaviily surpressed/shut down.

That's what I said, I would recover better if I stop right now.

Oh, okay! Well then by all means get on with it!

 

[LifeisGood301]

Oh, okay! Well then by all means get on with it!

I said if I were to stop right now. Idk whether I want to throw away the planning and money I already have in place...and the potential gains.
I guess I'm arrogant in my ability to recover because I have everything I could need for PCT and my doctors are all on board.

I can tell you that I really don't have much interest in doing a lot of things right now, but this cycle is something I was pretty set on doing and I don't have much to be happy for right now...or at least I'm not that happy about many things. I'm supposed to hold on to the little things that give me more will to live, but I guess I could drop it. And weighing that is tough b/c I think I should recover, but like ya'll said there's always that chance. In addition of just being "young and dumb", my depression is also telling me fuck it there isn't much to live for anyways. So that's what I'm weighing out in my head.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I said if I were to stop right now. Idk whether I want to throw away the planning and money I already have in place...and the potential gains.
I guess I'm arrogant in my ability to recover because I have everything I could need for PCT and my doctors are all on board.

I can tell you that I really don't have much interest in doing a lot of things right now, but this cycle is something I was pretty set on doing and I don't have much to be happy for right now...or at least I'm not that happy about many things. I'm supposed to hold on to the little things that give me more will to live, but I guess I could drop it. And weighing that is tough b/c I think I should recover, but like ya'll said there's always that chance. In addition of just being "young and dumb", my depression is also telling me fuck it there isn't much to live for anyways. So that's what I'm weighing out in my head.

Sigh........

 

[awm1981]

I said if I were to stop right now. Idk whether I want to throw away the planning and money I already have in place...and the potential gains.
I guess I'm arrogant in my ability to recover because I have everything I could need for PCT and my doctors are all on board.

I can tell you that I really don't have much interest in doing a lot of things right now, but this cycle is something I was pretty set on doing and I don't have much to be happy for right now...or at least I'm not that happy about many things. I'm supposed to hold on to the little things that give me more will to live, but I guess I could drop it. And weighing that is tough b/c I think I should recover, but like ya'll said there's always that chance. In addition of just being "young and dumb", my depression is also telling me fuck it there isn't much to live for anyways. So that's what I'm weighing out in my head.

Thats a whole other issue though. Steroids should be giving you a reason to live. Im sure living with depression is absolutely miserable but using steroids, which again cause significant hormone fluctuations, can make matters even worse.

If you were on TRT for life thats one thing but I can 100% tell you that when a cycle of test is over for me and im in PCT with low/no test production while my HPTA is recovering, im not lifting the same amount of weight I was on cycle, and im taking clomid & nolva i feel pretty shitty. If you are planning on cycling off beb prepared to have those emotions on top of your already existing depression.

There are a plethora of cases where guys have gone suicidal after using steroids due to the huge hormone swings so again be very very careful with what you are doing.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Thats a whole other issue though. Steroids should be giving you a reason to live. Im sure living with depression is absolutely miserable but using steroids, which again cause significant hormone fluctuations, can make matters even worse.

If you were on TRT for life thats one thing but I can 100% tell you that when a cycle of test is over for me and im in PCT with low/no test production while my HPTA is recovering, im not lifting the same amount of weight I was on cycle, and im taking clomid & nolva i feel pretty shitty. If you are planning on cycling off beb prepared to have those emotions on top of your already existing depression.

There are a plethora of cases where guys have gone suicidal after using steroids due to the huge hormone swings so again be very very careful with what you are doing.

Those are some very good points which I'm sure will demand some very good evasion.

 

[LifeisGood301]

Those are some very good points which I'm sure will demand some very good evasion.

The only evasion I have is I've had no problems running nolva in PCT in the past. I think there's a slight mood decrease, but nothing more than I usually go through in a mood swing. And yeah I'm aware of people.being suicidal on serms and pct.

 

[dylangemelli]

Thats a whole other issue though. Steroids should be giving you a reason to live. Im sure living with depression is absolutely miserable but using steroids, which again cause significant hormone fluctuations, can make matters even worse.

If you were on TRT for life thats one thing but I can 100% tell you that when a cycle of test is over for me and im in PCT with low/no test production while my HPTA is recovering, im not lifting the same amount of weight I was on cycle, and im taking clomid & nolva i feel pretty shitty. If you are planning on cycling off beb prepared to have those emotions on top of your already existing depression.

There are a plethora of cases where guys have gone suicidal after using steroids due to the huge hormone swings so again be very very careful with what you are doing.

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[Eddie Haskell]

The only evasion I have is I've had no problems running nolva in PCT in the past. I think there's a slight mood decrease, but nothing more than I usually go through in a mood swing. And yeah I'm aware of people.being suicidal on serms and pct.

Yet you, a 21-year-old compete with longstanding mental health concerns, choose to keep using those substances. Incredible!

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Staind's "Price to Pay."

Whoops! Sorry, wrong thread. Or was it the wrong thread?

I am incredibly happy to find someone quoting Staind. I have to admit that I am a huge fan. Please don't make fun of me!