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Veteran Thread The Perfect Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) - EXPLAINED

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First off lemme start by I am new to this but have seen many posts by you and Dylan and you guys always give to people straight and really informative info. Now I have run LGD, s4, and osta together and liked the results for the most part. Currently in 1st week of pct with osta. My question is first how long after pct can I run something again and two I wanna run some msten with a sarm. I have friends that really like msten and I figured I'd give it a shot mixed with a sarm. Then osta in pct again to solidify some gains. Was wondering what advice you could give me for a future log.
 
wolfpackalpha said:
There are a lot of guys who are confused about Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) and they are confused for the right reason. If you don't do your PCT right, you'll NEVER recover your natural testosterone levels and you'll be disabled for life. That's right, test levels don't just magically start back up. In fact, I've had numerous clients who had to run a 6 months PCT because they messed up their original post cycle. PCT is VERY serious and, if done wrong, you can literally hurt yourself; imagine, hormonal imbalances, high estrogen levels and low-testosterone. It's a recipe for disaster.

You're here on evo, so you want help right? You should start by reading and following the Perfect PCT, it's the sure way 200% to recover from any cycle.

Read the Perfect PCT article here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
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Hey Wolf, where do you pick up your PCT? I keep hearing about AG. I need to pick up some Aromasin, Nolva, Adex.

Hey Wolf, where do you pick up your PCT? I keep hearing about AG. I need to pick up some Aromasin, Nolva, Adex.
 
Hey guys, what do you think about this cycle:

15 weeks of first cycle

Weeks 1-15: 500mg TestE every week

Weeks 1-5: 40mg of dbol everyday.

Weeks 1-15: 0.5mg of Anastrozole a day

Post Cycle:

Weeks 17-21: 20mg of Tamo per day

Weeks 17-21: 50mg of Clomi per day
 
This is my new pet project....I am fascinated by pct. Naturally I don't need it. ...but my husband, who is green as they come. ..a virgin to the anabolic world. He has been an all natural trainer for years. He did take growth hormone for a short period before I met him but other then that all natural. He looks at a weight and grows. ...great genetics. Anyway, I plan to post a new thread about that because at 34 he is interested in his very first cycle. But I'm going follow this because I wanna learn about pct and men's hormones etc. Thanks for the post.
 
aggirl said:
This is my new pet project....I am fascinated by pct. Naturally I don't need it. ...but my husband, who is green as they come. ..a virgin to the anabolic world. He has been an all natural trainer for years. He did take growth hormone for a short period before I met him but other then that all natural. He looks at a weight and grows. ...great genetics. Anyway, I plan to post a new thread about that because at 34 he is interested in his very first cycle. But I'm going follow this because I wanna learn about pct and men's hormones etc. Thanks for the post.
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Wow, this was me for the past 8 months. 33 yo, first cycle, studying up on the healthiest way possible. I'll look forward to your thread.
 
Thanks for an excellent PCT protocol for my upcoming cycle (Test prop, tren a, masteron a, & winny). I've done the traditional clomid/nolva and sometimes the occasional hcg in my past cycles, but I'm new to the sarms game. I'm a little skeptical about using them in my pct, but I'll continue doing research.
 
Hello. So whats the PCT combo now, when there is no unleash?
As long as I cant seem to find unleashed/pct combo anymore, im wondering what should I use as pct combo? I have on hand hc generate, hc generate es an dspark.
Im planning to start off tommorow with sarmstriple stack plys clenbuteol.
Thanks in advance!
 
Been reading this info for a few days. Everytime i change my pct plan. should have it ironed out soon and will post my cycle
 
Well, hi all I am still new at all this and I don't have 100 post yet just very busy at work and I enjoyed my first cycle ever in my life last pin was Feb 18 or 19th .
I have a question on what I did because I just finished 6 week clomid PCT 2 weeks ago and I wish I read this before my PCT so far I feel great only seem to have increase in Acne after cycle & after PCT I did not have while i was on cycle, also I was more horny on clomid than test i think lol.
My cycle was a test only Testoviron-250 brand (Bayer) 500 mg per week 250 on monday and 250 on thursday with proviron every day. used AI after week 4 or 5 and ran a 14 week cycle the last week tappered down to 250mg of test and PCT was 6 weeks clomid and nolvadex but i ran out of novadex .
Anyway want to ask if my PCT was ok maybe not perfect but I used the PCT method from what read at this link. http://www.************/clomid-cycle.php

Basically that says : ( I added the method of using 300 mg of clomid on the first day then ran this PCT that I read from ************

Week 1: Clomid 150mg per day
Week 2: Clomid 150mg per day
Week 3: Clomid 100mg per day
Week 4: Clomid 100mg per day
Week 5: Clomid 50mg per day
(add an extra week at 50mg per day if needed)

I feel great only have acne which I hope goes away and still horny after my PCT so dunno about that but i have been off clomid for i think 2 weeks maybe 2 1/2.

any thoughts

Thank you
Van
 
sorry for adding the link I guess the site wont let me but it was from steroid dot com under the topic clomid cycle .
I used that method. I hope it was ok I feel fine so far.
 
samkahn said:
Hey guys, what do you think about this cycle:

15 weeks of first cycle

Weeks 1-15: 500mg TestE every week

Weeks 1-5: 40mg of dbol everyday.

Weeks 1-15: 0.5mg of Anastrozole a day

Post Cycle:

Weeks 17-21: 20mg of Tamo per day

Weeks 17-21: 50mg of Clomi per day
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Looks okay... You may want to add some Aromasin in to your PCT and I'd definitely add a natty test booster combo (fadogia, tribulus, etc) to PCT and liver support on cycle through PCT.
 
wolfpackalpha said:
There are a lot of guys who are confused about Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) and they are confused for the right reason. If you don't do your PCT right, you'll NEVER recover your natural testosterone levels and you'll be disabled for life. That's right, test levels don't just magically start back up. In fact, I've had numerous clients who had to run a 6 months PCT because they messed up their original post cycle. PCT is VERY serious and, if done wrong, you can literally hurt yourself; imagine, hormonal imbalances, high estrogen levels and low-testosterone. It's a recipe for disaster.

You're here on evo, so you want help right? You should start by reading and following the Perfect PCT, it's the sure way 200% to recover from any cycle.

Read the Perfect PCT article here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
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Do you always have to run a PCT? I have heard of some always just running test year round at a low dose such as 250mg per week, then just bumping it up on cycle. I believe this is called blasting and crusing
 
You can be on test for the rest of your life, sure. Huge decision bro. Are you done having kids or don't want kids? Are you happy with pinning at least once a week for as long as you live. Are you able to recover your own test production? Do you have low t symptoms? What's the bloodwork show?
 
first post here and currently starting first PCT. Im still pretty rough with all the new information and getting it all worked out still but im running -
Aromasin 12.5 ED / Nolva 40 mg ED for 2 weeks, 30 mg for 3 weeks. but all I have is bulk DAA for a natty test booster, my question is that enough to go about that route of biochemistry to acheive the LH/FSH release im going for? it wud make sense that the company made pills have additional ingredients to potentiate the DAA either by using supporting drugs to get more release, or getting more bio availability from the DAA.

Im trying to get onto another cycle after 5 weeks so any help wud be great, thanks
 
leapsnbounds said:
first post here and currently starting first PCT. Im still pretty rough with all the new information and getting it all worked out still but im running -
Aromasin 12.5 ED / Nolva 40 mg ED for 2 weeks, 30 mg for 3 weeks. but all I have is bulk DAA for a natty test booster, my question is that enough to go about that route of biochemistry to acheive the LH/FSH release im going for? it wud make sense that the company made pills have additional ingredients to potentiate the DAA either by using supporting drugs to get more release, or getting more bio availability from the DAA.

Im trying to get onto another cycle after 5 weeks so any help wud be great, thanks
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bro thats not going to recover shit...if you dont do a FULL pct after a steroid cycle, like perfect pct...expect long term health problems...including permanent testosterone shut down...
 
cjs_gymlife said:
Do you always have to run a PCT? I have heard of some always just running test year round at a low dose such as 250mg per week, then just bumping it up on cycle. I believe this is called blasting and crusing
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bro you always have to run PCT if you do steroid cycles...if you run year round of test and you're not on TRT you're going to get hurt and mess up your endocrine system for LIFE!
 
!!! Im already 2 weeks after last, test c tho. do u mean i need to PCT longer or im doing it wrong altogether?? wat do i need to research a point in the right directions wud be greatly appreciated
 
leapsnbounds said:
Gearhead, u said FULL PCT, i replied too hastily. I will do proper research on PCT lengths, thanks.
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bro nolvaded and aromasin is a shit pct...expect to not recover fully and lose gains...then expect problems producing natural testosterone for life...as recovery wont come as magic....do the perfect pct and you won't regret it...
 
yea i need help man, theres alot of info out there. heres the deal tho. me and a friend had experimented when we were younger with a few different compounds in very small doses - just 2 shot cycles, completly fucked me up im sure. had a complete lack of understanding and had all the side effects, gyno and mood swings. now a few years later i came across half a bottle of test c from a buddy but only 5 weeks/ 1 cc weekly.This was when i starting really looking into the correct way to do them and realized how serious it is and takes careful planning and longer cycles to not waste the changes on ur bodies hormones. I am truly in need of someones expertise on the deal as i knew of the need for ai and serm/ai afterwards but my knowledge is really lacking on a serious subject and as i want to continue cycling, i want to do it right. a good friend of mine highly recommended this site and forum. how long of a PCT shud i do for such a cycle before jumping onto a full 1?
 
leapsnbounds said:
yea i need help man, theres alot of info out there. heres the deal tho. me and a friend had experimented when we were younger with a few different compounds in very small doses - just 2 shot cycles, completly fucked me up im sure. had a complete lack of understanding and had all the side effects, gyno and mood swings. now a few years later i came across half a bottle of test c from a buddy but only 5 weeks/ 1 cc weekly.This was when i starting really looking into the correct way to do them and realized how serious it is and takes careful planning and longer cycles to not waste the changes on ur bodies hormones. I am truly in need of someones expertise on the deal as i knew of the need for ai and serm/ai afterwards but my knowledge is really lacking on a serious subject and as i want to continue cycling, i want to do it right. a good friend of mine highly recommended this site and forum. how long of a PCT shud i do for such a cycle before jumping onto a full 1?
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Hey leapsnbounds.
You will want to start a new thread here and we can all help you get squared away. Gearhead did a great post in the perfect PCT but you will want a thread specific to you situation. This one is a but old.

Nolva and an AI is a good start. Some precautions are better than none. Although its not ideal it is pointing you closer to the right direction. DAA is not the greatest test booster but at least it is SOMETHING! We all started out new to this hobby. Its important to learn from mistakes im not gonna tell you its a shit pct and ur fucked. People here will help you get on the right track.

Go to post new topic and get a thread started. Include ur history, stats, diet, training and future goals. This is goimg to be your introduction to the evo board and we can adress ypur concerns at the same time..

Again not ideal but you can ride out a pct of nolva at 40/40/20/20 wile including an AI and test booster like DAA. Again not ideal but its what you can control in the now. From that point I suggest you take 6-8 weeks after pct to plan and build your cycle in its entirty. Pct and supports should always be purchased before the gear it self. Unless you have great self control lol.
 
You need to do bloodwork to find out where your natural test is. And you need to be of cycle and off PCT 6 weeks before you do that. Once you figure out if you're shut down you can get a HPTA restart or PCT program set up then. If you're shut down you may need a long Clomid and HCG run to get going again....
 
Ok im taking this 1 as a learning experience but i want to get on this right away. thanks gearhead and jrbdallas i appreciate the eye opener.
 
If I took anavar for 7 weeks at 60 mg/ED ... what would be a basic pct .. cause I assume the perfect pct is for a real cycle !
 
Crossfit said:
If I took anavar for 7 weeks at 60 mg/ED ... what would be a basic pct .. cause I assume the perfect pct is for a real cycle !
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Seriously bro? Do the perfect pct. people assuming shit is the problem these days. Just do it right. Big cycle or small cycle, fact is you took AAS for 6 weeks.

Stop looking for the easiest way to get pct done with. Do it rite.
 
This is a great read, thank you for the information. I bookmarked this for when it comes time for my first cycle!

Out of curiosity how long would you want to wait after finishing PCT to start back up again?
 
StraightSkoal said:
This is a great read, thank you for the information. I bookmarked this for when it comes time for my first cycle!

Out of curiosity how long would you want to wait after finishing PCT to start back up again?
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bro depending on your cycle...6 clean weeks off is usually good...
 
TrillClinton said:
Is there any product that targets everything in pct like N2guard??
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no bro...n2guard is a liver/kidney organ protection product...for pct you need a range of products to guarantee recovery...poor recovery will lead to a lifetime of health problems...
 
gearhead said:
no bro...n2guard is a liver/kidney organ protection product...for pct you need a range of products to guarantee recovery...poor recovery will lead to a lifetime of health problems...
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What would you suggest for PCT for a superdrol/dermacrine cycle?

gotta say the more i try to search the more confused i get ay, sorry if I'm saying shit that can be easily searched.. i currently have forged post cycle, ostarine, test infusion and forma stanzol (have read that this isn't necessary for SD though?).. I've read n2guard as PCT is quite good too, I'm currently running n2g for the cycle but not pct..
 
TrillClinton said:
What would you suggest for PCT for a superdrol/dermacrine cycle?

gotta say the more i try to search the more confused i get ay, sorry if I'm saying shit that can be easily searched.. i currently have forged post cycle, ostarine, test infusion and forma stanzol (have read that this isn't necessary for SD though?).. I've read n2guard as PCT is quite good too, I'm currently running n2g for the cycle but not pct..
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bro superdrol is suppressive like all steroids...so you need to do a full perfect pct just modify it to 4 weeks....
 
Running a short cycle of Test Prop. and Winny for eight weeks.

Was planning on running Aromadex 4 weeks into the cycle through the first two weeks of PCT, followed by a PCT of Clomid and Nolva with GHRP (ipamorelin).
Thoughts?
 
Just finished up my perfect PCT and I almost feel as good as I did on cycle. Performance back up and at em. Thanks for such a great PCT protocol.
 
Thanks. Got a lot of good info from this post...cleared up a lot of questions I had about bringing my t up after my first cycle too.
 
Coming off a cycle and having troubles I have found out that HCG is the only thing that has every helped. Doing around 500-1000mcg/ed tell you know.
 
Question. Technically my PCT starts on Monday with 5 weeks of Nolva 40/30/20/20/10 + N2Guard everyday +HCGenerate ES. Here is the problem. I traveled to South America for 1 week but now I have to stay here for 1 months. I didn't bring anything with me. Nolva is not a problem since I can get it anywhere here (no prescription needed) but I can't get N2 or HCG ES. What Can I do? My 1st cycle went perfect and I don' t want to mess it up at the end. Unfortunately, I am stuck here for weeks and my stuff is in the USA. Any suggestions?
 
JCAtlanta said:
Question. Technically my PCT starts on Monday with 5 weeks of Nolva 40/30/20/20/10 + N2Guard everyday +HCGenerate ES. Here is the problem. I traveled to South America for 1 week but now I have to stay here for 1 months. I didn't bring anything with me. Nolva is not a problem since I can get it anywhere here (no prescription needed) but I can't get N2 or HCG ES. What Can I do? My 1st cycle went perfect and I don' t want to mess it up at the end. Unfortunately, I am stuck here for weeks and my stuff is in the USA. Any suggestions?
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bro just run an 8 week pct...4 weeks nolvadex clomid and 4 weeks full pct with hcgenerate when you're back...
 
Hello respectfully I am asking for help here.
I will be doing a volume cycle of Dinabol 40 g 4 weeks Decca 400 mg 8 weeks Test Enanathe 500 mg 10 weeks PLEASE let me know what product you recommend to avoid gynecomastia and post cycle aid. if you also can guide me where to get them will be greatly appreciated.
 
wolfpackalpha said:
There are a lot of guys who are confused about Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) and they are confused for the right reason. If you don't do your PCT right, you'll NEVER recover your natural testosterone levels and you'll be disabled for life. That's right, test levels don't just magically start back up. In fact, I've had numerous clients who had to run a 6 months PCT because they messed up their original post cycle. PCT is VERY serious and, if done wrong, you can literally hurt yourself; imagine, hormonal imbalances, high estrogen levels and low-testosterone. It's a recipe for disaster.

You're here on evo, so you want help right? You should start by reading and following the Perfect PCT, it's the sure way 200% to recover from any cycle.

Read the Perfect PCT article here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
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Thanks for the article , learned so much more about PCTS thought it was just a SERM alone like nolva t.Wow :o
 
I'm going to be doing my first perfect PCT this next cycle. I appreciate all of the input and data that you guys show/talk about. Excellent job!
 
Benefit32 said:
I'm going to be doing my first perfect PCT this next cycle. I appreciate all of the input and data that you guys show/talk about. Excellent job!
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Excellent.. Your well be very happy you choose to use this program
 
Wow! I thought I was doing enough with just the clomid and nolva. I am definitely upgrading to the perfect PCT after my next cycle. Thank you guys so much for the time and effort to lay everything out to help out all the Bros.
 
If you run a cycle of Sust for 12 weeks, when is the best time to start Clomid/Nolva on the Perfect PCT. During weeks 3-7 as outlined or start at week 4?
 
Hi Guys I need your help please.

I am going to run my third cycle and hopefully last one:-) I am 29yrs old, 97kg, 6ft2

It's 16 weeks cycle

Week 1-4 dianabol 30mg ED
Week 1-16 test enan 500mg mon-thurs
Week 1-16 Primobolan 600mg a week 300mg mon-300 thurs
Week 8-16 anavar 40mg ED

I am not looking to get big big like, mainly want to cut, I am going for test e and primo and anavar as been told are the less toxic ones for the achievements I want, I used then before and didn't like it much.

I have loads of proviron and I can get just about any other products and all genuine 100% from local chemist in UK. Don't ask:P

Please guys give me advice in what the best pct I need and dosage and instructions would be very very much appreciated:-) I don't really want to use dianabol but only using it as a kickstarter.

Any advice is really welcomed:-)
 
Hi Guys

I am struggling to find a sloution to my steroids abuse side effects, ive been on 2 full courses of deca & sus, did not do any pct after these course, went on a four week course of tren & test. Estrogen levels were sky high, took nolvadex & clomid but didnt seem to work so i decided to see a endocrinologist who gave me aromosin it brough my estrogen levels down, but however my brain activity is not right, inability to function like a man/ human being? what should i do? any advicwe will be appreciated? should i redo my cycle according to the perfect post therapy?
 
I dont understand how Ostrarine is recommended for PCT. There are countless bloodwork all over the web showing that OSTA caused suppression of test levels. The goal of PCT is to boost your levels back not have them suppressed.
 
Guys sorry but why I feel like I am reading a product advertising while I read this topic ?
 
Wanted to say thanks for the info as I would fall under the category of not really have understood the importance of PCT. That being said I have never ran any cycles before and I can not wait to run my first cycle of SARMs
 
I took Tamoxifen/Nolvadex severals years ago for a short period and it made my dick shrink to date (it became kind of "soft" and thinner with reduced girth). What bothers me the most is that my erections are also worse than before. Do you have an idea of what could be going on in my body. It seems that it is a persistent change. Please excuse my English. I am from Germany.
 
keep said:
I took Tamoxifen/Nolvadex severals years ago for a short period and it made my dick shrink to date (it became kind of "soft" and thinner with reduced girth). What bothers me the most is that my erections are also worse than before. Do you have an idea of what could be going on in my body. It seems that it is a persistent change. Please excuse my English. I am from Germany.
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bro how long you on pct???
 
keep said:
I took Tamoxifen/Nolvadex severals years ago for a short period and it made my dick shrink to date (it became kind of "soft" and thinner with reduced girth). What bothers me the most is that my erections are also worse than before. Do you have an idea of what could be going on in my body. It seems that it is a persistent change. Please excuse my English. I am from Germany.
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Go to a doctor, get your bloods done.
 
I suffer from side effects caused by Finasterdide and I decided to try Tamoxifen to increase my Testosterone. The Tamoxifen worsend my ED and my penis size.
 
Calories - 1250
Calories from Fat - 30
Total Fat - 3g
Saturated Fat - 2g
Trans Fat - 0g
Cholesterol - 6mg
Calcium - 290mg
Sodium - 210mg
Potassium - 1550mg
Total Carbohydrate - 255g
Dietary Fiber - 2g
Sugars - 29g
Protein - 50g.
 
Hi guys, I have some problem. After cycle my testosterone ~8nmol/l I feel like a crap, I try clomiphene and it's realy help me, but I got very bad vision side effects, then I try nolvadex and I got biggest cystitics acne ever, so maybe there is some other SERM witch wouldn't make this sides? I need good PCT?
 
Hi guys, I have some problem. After cycle my testosterone ~8nmol/l I feel like a crap, I try clomiphene and it's realy help me, but I got very bad vision side effects, then I try nolvadex and I got biggest cystitics acne ever, so maybe there is some other SERM witch wouldn't make this sides? I need good PCT?
 
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