When to do first cycle?

[Bacordov]

Hey what's up guys, this is my first time on this forum and I have spent hours browsing - overall great info and amazing community.

I have been actively working out and eating right for the past 9 months making this a lifestyle. I have managed to lose 40lbs thus far.

I am interested in doing Anabolic Steroids for the first time and need help deciding if I should continue what I'm doing naturally and wait to use AS or if now is a good time to move forward with my first cycle, which is something I really want to do (I would also want to keep a detailed log with photos to share based on your guys experienced recommendations).

I read it's important to do blood work prior. What am I looking for specifically once I get this done?

Should I consider doing:
1) Anavar Testosterone Cycle, or
2) Anavar and Winstrol Cycle

I found this post and it's what I plan on following:
https://www.evolutionary.org/anavar-oxandrolone

Statistics:
Male / Age 27 / 5"9 / 185lbs / 20% bf

Thank you guys in advance!

 

[Coach Thad]

You should make this a lifestyle for far more than 9 months. Congratulations on losing 40lbs but you need to keep going. Anabolic steroids are not something to take lightly and require far more than "hours of browsing" as well.

Sorry to be so blunt but you are simply not ready. AAS are meant to push you past your natural limit (although they are not used for that purpose nearly as often as they should) and you are nowhere near that after 9 months of training. It's also highly recommended that you not take steroids at a higher bf% because it can lead to a whole lot of bad, and it's just a better testament to yourself if you can prove that you have the ability to drop below 15% without the help of drugs.

Anyway, I know how people can be even when given advice/warning, so just know that a first cycle should only be testosterone. Generally 400-500mg for 10-12 weeks. But I recommend you wait for several more years of consistent training.

 

[Bacordov]

You should make this a lifestyle for far more than 9 months. Congratulations on losing 40lbs but you need to keep going. Anabolic steroids are not something to take lightly and require far more than "hours of browsing" as well.

Sorry to be so blunt but you are simply not ready. AAS are meant to push you past your natural limit (although they are not used for that purpose nearly as often as they should) and you are nowhere near that after 9 months of training. It's also highly recommended that you not take steroids at a higher bf% because it can lead to a whole lot of bad, and it's just a better testament to yourself if you can prove that you have the ability to drop below 15% without the help of drugs.

Anyway, I know how people can be even when given advice/warning, so just know that a first cycle should only be testosterone. Generally 400-500mg for 10-12 weeks. But I recommend you wait for several more years of consistent training.

Thanks for replying to the thread. I will take your advice and consider taking AAS once I have reached a lower body fat percentage naturally. At the rate that I am going with my meals and workouts, I think I can reach that within the next 6 months. Thanks for the info!

 

[Bacordov]

Thanks for replying to the thread. I will take your advice and consider taking AAS once I have reached a lower body fat percentage naturally. At the rate that I am going with my meals and workouts, I think I can reach that within the next 6 months. Thanks for the info!

 

[muskate]

Here is a good article for you to read that talks about knowing whether or not you are ready for steroids: http://www.evolutionary.org/are-you-ready-for-steroids/

The longer you wait to do your first cycle - the more you will get out of it. Steroids are a tool. They are kind of your 'ace in the hole'. You want to make as much progress naturally before using steroids. That way the steroids will get you through the sticking point you reach when you are close to your natural potential.

Look at the best bodybuilders of all time - Kai Greene, Ronnie Coleman etc. They all built a base naturally. They learnt how to diet and train. Then when they added in the steroids, they absolutely exploded.

I know steroids are luring and sound exciting but steroids do not burn body fat. They increase muscle protein synthesis and prevent muscle catabolism. I feel like I am beating a dead horse saying this over and over but it's a very common misconception and something a lot of people get wrong. Bodybuilders commonly include steroids into their pre-contest cycles to prevent muscle loss when dieting on low calories and doing lots of cardio. The steroids themselves do not burn body fat.

If you want to loose body fat - You need to perfect your diet and training. Its as simple as that. Fat is basically stored energy. To burn fat, you need to expend more calories then you consume.

Not only that, running a steroid cycle at a high body fat percentage is going to put a lot of stress on your body and organs. It is also counterproductive because the higher your body fat percentage, the more testosterone will aromatize into estrogen.

You really don't need to supplement with anything to reach your goals but if you want to supplement with something - supplement with SARMS. SARMS are much better option all around. SARMS will directly increase endurance, fat loss, recovery and lean muscle mass with no increases in body weight or water retention. You won't get the same strength increase from SARMS that you would with steroids, but you get all the benefits with none of the side effects. They are also extremely minimal in the way of side effects and legal to use.

I suggest running the SARMS triple stack. It is comprised of S4, ostarine and cardarine.
S4 will increase lean muscle and strength
ostarine is the best SARM for recovery
cardarine is the best SARM for fat loss
You get the best of everything that way

Run the triple stack as outlined in this article here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day

SARMS are minimally suppressive, there is no risk of aromatization (therefore no estrogen related side effects) and legal to use. You can get everything you need off sarms1.com, n2bm.com and ag-guys.com

 

[Coach Thad]

As you can see, I'm a newbie brother as well, but I do a lot of my own research on this stuff and I love discussing it. This is exactly what I would recommend you do; since the day I joined I've probably checked this forum 10x a day to read through threads and occasionally chime in when I feel I have valuable input. Before I found this forum I was scouring different sources on the internet, reading articles, and watching videos. This is the best approach to many things in life but I feel it is especially true for steroids.

As for what I stated previously, it's not just about the bf% but that is a factor. While age plays a role in AAS and people seem to say 25 is a decent time to start, another more important factor accompanied by age is years spent grinding in the gym. These guys who take their drugs seriously probably put in, at the MINIMUM, 5 years of training before taking steroids. Spending 9 months or 6 more months to drop your bf% doesn't mean you are ready for that jump. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but these things just take time and I really think you should bust your ass in the gym and in the kitchen for another couple years before using steroids.

 

[stevesmi]

great job on losing all that weight

i think you got sound advice above, don't rush things too much. keep being consistent and good things will happen.

to give you an idea of what i mean I trained naturally for 13 years before ever even touching steroids. this has allowed me to get better results than guys who hopped on gear quickly. i've actually not used steroids in a year!! yet guys accuse me of being on steroids because i built that strong base so i can still look great even without gear

 

[AddarInc]

Bro, 9 months.. You have plenty of natural growth to do..

Train longer and harder and you'll appreciate it more

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I would recommend taking more time naturally as well. You really want to build a good base of muscle first and learn exactly how to eat. It will take some time to adjust your diet to where you are accomplishing your goals. Save the AAS for a few years later.

 

[Jay Scott]

The answer is usually - never.

Also, given that you are working out only for 9 months, it is way too early to hop on the PEDs train. In addition, look - you are still making good progress, so why hinder the natural potential? Keep on going, do what you kept on doing, and only when you feel like hitting a wall, only then go for something more 'strong'