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Fol;lowing on from a members log here's a few tips, thoughtgs, ideas and suggestions on how to get the best from yourself and the strain., effort, time and money you've invested in yourself

Pick as few classes as possible - ideally one
There's something of an issue with a few members considering or actually competing. I've written in another log (might do a thread on it) of one member who competed in 2 and occasionally 3 different classes all in one day. These last few years the fees and restriction have turned into money makers. Now I completely understand promoters not wanting to lose money (I've put on grip competitions and spent good money competing elsewhere). Ditto having to pay federation fees to organisations like the NPC or IFBB etc. But when it can easily be $1000 in total fees for ONE class (stuff like you can ONLY use the tanning people they have costing $100-250 alone) you want members picking the right class. Not just to be in with a chance to do well but because it actually suits their physique. Otherwise you're just giving money away and or doing it just cos.

By way of example Monstro competes in ONE class per event as far as I know. And does well. I've only ever been allowed to compete in the open/pro classes of events I've done.

Now classes chosen can change over the years. Middleweight becomes heavy. 30+ becomes 50+ and so on. Equally the OP might well be too light right now but may well fill out slowly in years to come. Realistically if they have any freakish genetics we will see right away if they have a chance of competing in the open.

Train for your frame
One more tip (from years back): train like the person you most closely resemble if you want to follow a pros program. So if a light weight train like Frank Zane. If you have a heavier structure Mike Menzter and so on

Hire a posing coach
Don't work your damn ass off and look wooden and rigid on stage. If (and its a BIG IF) you dance well and know how present yourself you MIGHT be ok posing. Everyone else would benefit from hiring a posing coach even if just for a few hours. Even working with an experienced competitor will help

Pose for the judges first
The crowd second. The first pick the winners. And remember judges sit near to the front so the angle they view you at differs from the majority of the audience. If there are a LOT (as many as 12) judges you'll see pros show the left, middle and right what they have.

Don't ask friends and family how you look
They WILL blow smoke up your ass (if only cos they love you)

More tips to follow. Add yours
 
Excellent advice mobster, I truly enjoy reading the tips tricks and insights.

I am on the journey right now trying to compete one day at the amateur ranks and I specifically picked men's physique, mainly because my leg genetics aren't as good as my upper body genetics are, I can grow at a pretty rapid rate for upper, not so much lower, so knowing that men's physique isn't based on leg judgement I picked that one class to focus on and only that one class.

I work all body parts every week always have always will, I just know what my weakness is and it is definitely leg size and leg development, my legs slim down and get strong and cut, I never put alot of size on them.

The coaching I still have to figure out as far as money goes and who to try and work with, but that is for a future date in time, for now im focusing on cycling and picking the right compounds for my goals and getting into shape and symmetrical aspects first before I do anything else, one goal at a time and advance from there.
 
Topps_Baseball88 said:
Excellent advice mobster, I truly enjoy reading the tips tricks and insights.

I am on the journey right now trying to compete one day at the amateur ranks and I specifically picked men's physique, mainly because my leg genetics aren't as good as my upper body genetics are, I can grow at a pretty rapid rate for upper, not so much lower, so knowing that men's physique isn't based on leg judgement I picked that one class to focus on and only that one class.

I work all body parts every week always have always will, I just know what my weakness is and it is definitely leg size and leg development, my legs slim down and get strong and cut, I never put alot of size on them.

The coaching I still have to figure out as far as money goes and who to try and work with, but that is for a future date in time, for now im focusing on cycling and picking the right compounds for my goals and getting into shape and symmetrical aspects first before I do anything else, one goal at a time and advance from there.
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Can't wait see you on stage brother
 
We all have to take that step brother. First time Is the hardest. All of us here are right behind you. One thing to remember is that everytime you step on stage the main goal is to be better than last time. That is a win.

I believe in you, been following you long time now. Your dedicated I sure you will do very well1💪💪
 
It good they started doing interviews with loggers on this forum. As we all have different lives, and goals make for intersection listening
 
Pigsy said:
We all have to take that step brother. First time Is the hardest. All of us here are right behind you. One thing to remember is that everytime you step on stage the main goal is to be better than last time. That is a win.

I believe in you, been following you long time now. Your dedicated I sure you will do very well1💪💪
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It really truly goes a long way hearing from someone who does compete and understands the headspace and place I am in currently with trying to enter the arena and step on stage, I agree the ultimate goal is better today than I was yesterday.

I've been thinking about this for years pigsy and I was just never brave enough to actually try and attempt it, I can't live in fear any longer, one day life will pass me by and I don't want to live with regrets and say I should have or could have.

Time is the most precious thing in life it is the one thing you can't buy or buy back, with that in mind I must go for my vision and try again and again till I reach my goals I have set with this.

I also greatly appreciate you following me and supporting me brother it means the world to me having like minded people rallying around my journey.

I hope you enjoy the interview I gave and hopefully it will let you learn a little bit more about me, I think it is a wonderful idea they are letting loggers do this on a platform!

The community is what made me truly believe in myself and a huge reason why I am chasing this vison and attempting my steps onto the stage one day it made all the difference for me.
 
Pigsy said:
I going to listen to the podcast your on today
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I hope you enjoy it, I was nervous as I had never had the opportunity doing something like that, Stevesmi is a class act and made me feel right at home and I hope everyone who does play it understands me a little bit better with my drive who I am and my mentality.
 
Topps_Baseball88 said:
Yeah it is definitely something new and you don't see many of us get that opportunity, I would love hearing from everyone who does put up logs.
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Just finished listening you interview. Great stuff. Good to see you researched well before hops on cycle. And a good story to boot
 
Pigsy said:
Just finished listening you interview. Great stuff. Good to see you researched well before hops on cycle. And a good story to boot
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I just spoke from the heart pigsy, this lifestyle and journey is my true passion in this world. I appreciate you giving it a play brother 🙌 I can't just blindly jump on something without proper education, health is wealth, must always be prepared.
 
Topps_Baseball88 said:
I just spoke from the heart pigsy, this lifestyle and journey is my true passion in this world. I appreciate you giving it a play brother 🙌 I can't just blindly jump on something without proper education, health is wealth, must always be prepared.
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We never stop learning and improving. That what keeps me interested in the lifestyle
 
Mobster said:
Fol;lowing on from a members log here's a few tips, thoughtgs, ideas and suggestions on how to get the best from yourself and the strain., effort, time and money you've invested in yourself

Pick as few classes as possible - ideally one
There's something of an issue with a few members considering or actually competing. I've written in another log (might do a thread on it) of one member who competed in 2 and occasionally 3 different classes all in one day. These last few years the fees and restriction have turned into money makers. Now I completely understand promoters not wanting to lose money (I've put on grip competitions and spent good money competing elsewhere). Ditto having to pay federation fees to organisations like the NPC or IFBB etc. But when it can easily be $1000 in total fees for ONE class (stuff like you can ONLY use the tanning people they have costing $100-250 alone) you want members picking the right class. Not just to be in with a chance to do well but because it actually suits their physique. Otherwise you're just giving money away and or doing it just cos.

By way of example Monstro competes in ONE class per event as far as I know. And does well. I've only ever been allowed to compete in the open/pro classes of events I've done.

Now classes chosen can change over the years. Middleweight becomes heavy. 30+ becomes 50+ and so on. Equally the OP might well be too light right now but may well fill out slowly in years to come. Realistically if they have any freakish genetics we will see right away if they have a chance of competing in the open.

Train for your frame
One more tip (from years back): train like the person you most closely resemble if you want to follow a pros program. So if a light weight train like Frank Zane. If you have a heavier structure Mike Menzter and so on

Hire a posing coach
Don't work your damn ass off and look wooden and rigid on stage. If (and its a BIG IF) you dance well and know how present yourself you MIGHT be ok posing. Everyone else would benefit from hiring a posing coach even if just for a few hours. Even working with an experienced competitor will help

Pose for the judges first
The crowd second. The first pick the winners. And remember judges sit near to the front so the angle they view you at differs from the majority of the audience. If there are a LOT (as many as 12) judges you'll see pros show the left, middle and right what they have.

Don't ask friends and family how you look
They WILL blow smoke up your ass (if only cos they love you)

More tips to follow. Add yours
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@Mobster DONT use diuretics period no matter what
diuretics do more harm then good
 
next up for you mobster is use these tips to get you on stage to compete against me let's see who's the bigger man
 
would love to see you cut down and compete for sure
 
my friends and family always tell me I look like crap they definitely don't blow smoke up my ass
 
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mobster would some great tips thank you so much
 
I agree with picking few classes I hate when people show up and are in different classes just pick one and do it
 
RoidRage69 said:
Why do you keep insisting that he train as a bodybuilder? How about you change and do what he does and compete against him in sheer strength?
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Or choose one of the body-builders on here to go up against him
 

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Expand on this a little to the benefit of members.
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@Mobster, In my experience diuretics do more harm than good and have a ton of sides to them.

Here is my view and the way I see it, my write up.

Diuretics can be dangerous in bodybuilding for several reasons:

Dehydration: Diuretics increase urine output, leading to dehydration. Dehydration can impair your body's ability to cool itself and can lead to heat-related illnesses, such as heat exhaustion or heatstroke. It can also affect your overall performance and physical well-being.

Electrolyte imbalances: Diuretics can lead to the loss of essential electrolytes, such as potassium, sodium, and magnesium. These electrolytes are crucial for proper muscle function, nerve function, and overall health. An imbalance can result in muscle cramps, weakness, irregular heartbeats, and, in severe cases, life-threatening conditions like arrhythmias.

Muscle cramps and weakness: As mentioned above, the loss of electrolytes due to diuretics can result in muscle cramps and weakness, which can hinder your ability to train effectively and perform at your best.

Cardiac strain: Dehydration and electrolyte imbalances can place additional strain on your cardiovascular system. This can be particularly risky in bodybuilders who may already be engaging in intense exercise and potentially using other substances that affect the heart.

Kidney damage: Prolonged use of diuretics can put stress on the kidneys, potentially leading to kidney damage or dysfunction. This is because the kidneys are responsible for filtering and regulating the balance of fluids and electrolytes in the body.

Rebound water retention: After discontinuing diuretic use, the body can sometimes react by retaining more water than usual to compensate for the previous fluid loss. This can lead to a rebound effect where bodybuilders experience bloating and increased body weight, which can be frustrating and counterproductive to their goals.

Increased risk of cramping during workouts: Dehydration and electrolyte imbalances caused by diuretics can make bodybuilders more prone to muscle cramps during intense training sessions, which can be both painful and hinder performance.

Health risks: Misuse or overuse of diuretics can have serious health consequences, including acute kidney injury, electrolyte imbalances, and cardiovascular issues. In extreme cases, it can be life-threatening.
 
Own the stage
Assuming you're in actual shape and condition (cos you'd better be) act like you bought the damn theater the shows being held at. Ignore opthers during the pose down. Let the judges see how confident you are

Let me tell you quick story from my own strength competition experiences. So one year we did an even called the 'heavy Dinnie stone for reps'. It's a little over 400lbs and we used a loading pin, handle and weights in lieu of an actual stone. The ring handle really pulls your skin. Anyway I'm winning and it's the last even so I go last. 2nd place Jim Wylie goes before me. He gets to 14 or so and skin tears and you see blood between his fingers. The crowd went crazy and one member exclaimed 'that's gotta be our winner'. He pulls another 2 or so more all the while bloods dripping.

My turn.

I say 'it's not over yet'

Then pulled 18 with with time left. The ref points this out. I turn to the crowd and say 'so... I won already'. So fkin confident I was gonna OWN that shit.
 
they can def b dangerous
 
Be ready
I'll frame this in with the diuretic comment. Bodybuilding diets are notoriously hard. Training on said diet is that much harder. And that's WITH the use of PEDs. But how many times have we seen people that are, even at the pro level, 'off' or two weeks away from ready? Too often and I'm talking about MrO level.

So then they do crazy shit including over doing diuretics. If they fuck that up they get 'food poisoning' (right...lol) or worse end up in ER (see Paul Dillet et al). Truth is they slacked off. On cardio, diet or training. They had the same damn time to prep as the next competitor. Maybe they did more expo work. Maybe they were under contract. Maybe it was just life. Same as the next guy - with the same time frame.

Typical prep is around 16 weeks. Occasionally less.

Be ready for game day!! Do not waste 16 weeks of effort
 
Mobster said:
Be ready
I'll frame this in with the diuretic comment. Bodybuilding diets are notoriously hard. Training on said diet is that much harder. And that's WITH the use of PEDs. But how many times have we seen people that are, even at the pro level, 'off' or two weeks away from ready? Too often and I'm talking about MrO level.

So then they do crazy shit including over doing diuretics. If they fuck that up they get 'food poisoning' (right...lol) or worse end up in ER (see Paul Dillet e)
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To many competitors use pharmacology these days. In stead of the suffering of cardio and low food. And here them laugh ohhh you have to do cardio in your prep in some interviews. Saying they have amazing metabolisms 🤣. Yeah because of all the shit your taking. But the ones who suffer and diet hard with cardio. Rarely miss
 
Pigsy said:
To many competitors use pharmacology these days. In stead of the suffering of cardio and low food. And here them laugh ohhh you have to do cardio in your prep in some interviews. Saying they have amazing metabolisms 🤣. Yeah because of all the shit your taking. But the ones who suffer and diet hard with cardio. Rarely miss
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I've been suffering 😫 lol, when I'm off cycle my trt dose I use the cream is 50mg a day I get tired so much faster my endurance is garbage and I hate cardio, yet I still train super hard and I kill myself with cardio , I dont want to do more harm than I have to do, id rather utilize proper diet and training and a few small cycles a year, no diuretics ever, not worth it imo.
 
Topps_Baseball88 said:
I've been suffering 😫 lol, when I'm off cycle my trt dose I use the cream is 50mg a day I get tired so much faster my endurance is garbage and I hate cardio, yet I still train super hard and I kill myself with cardio , I dont want to do more harm than I have to do, id rather utilize proper diet and training and a few small cycles a year, no diuretics ever, not worth it imo.
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Same here Topps. I train hard. Prep all my own food. Smash out fasted and post workout cardio. It all part of process to be lean. I looking forward to see you on stage Topps. Also the next interview with a logger so interesting.

My next cycle will be the most I ever done. If my health is affect negatively I be dropping it lower.
 
Pigsy said:
Same here Topps. I train hard. Prep all my own food. Smash out fasted and post workout cardio. It all part of process to be lean. I looking forward to see you on stage Topps. Also the next interview with a logger so interesting.

My next cycle will be the most I ever done. If my health is affect negatively I be dropping it lower.
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Brother I would love seeing an interview with you and to learn more from you, I can tell with the mindset you have, the story you would share would be very interesting and knowledgeable.

Yeah actually my second cycle that is upcoming is alot more than my first one, which naturally I am nervous in a good way to see how my mind and body respond.

I do the same fasted training and cardio than I crush 3 prepped meals and a few snacks throughout the night after typically almonds for my snack.

I have always been the type to focus on my mind which if you can push that the body will follow, gear is icing on the cake once u have all other aspects down and ready 100% no short cuts or excuses.
 
The mind is so powerful with focus much can be achieved. Pushing negativity aside. I was not always like this. I was lucky to meet one of my best friends who is my coach. Who mentored me from a unstructured mess. To a man with structure, health and positive thinking.
 
Pigsy said:
The mind is so powerful with focus much can be achieved. Pushing negativity aside. I was not always like this. I was lucky to meet one of my best friends who is my coach. Who mentored me from a unstructured mess. To a man with structure, health and positive thinking.
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I had to learn the same kind of hard lesson and mindset, funny enough Dylan with his videos and the conversations I've had with him over the years really helped shape my mind and perspective, along with many of the vets around here like Mobster Stevesmi, all the guys competing and doing logs, all of it really helped me focus and chase my dream.
 
Topps_Baseball88 said:
I had to learn the same kind of hard lesson and mindset, funny enough Dylan with his videos and the conversations I've had with him over the years really helped shape my mind and perspective, along with many of the vets around here like Mobster Stevesmi, all the guys competing and doing logs, all of it really helped me focus and chase my dream.
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The community here is amazing and positive. Some things we agree on some not, no one shouts you down like some other forums. And with so many years of knowledge that is here, I learnt so much and will be learning far more. Always keep an opened mine to new things
 
pigsy, mobster and roidrage why all the hate?

I will take on any of you in anything. bodybuilding, powerlifting anything. portugese genetics are superior to american/british genetics anyday
 
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MONSTRO said:
pigsy, mobster and roidrage why all the hate?

I will take on any of you in anything. bodybuilding, powerlifting anything. portugese genetics are superior to american/british genetics anyday
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Anytime @MONSTRO

There is no hate, your asking @Mobster to go against you on stage. His goal has never been bodybuilding to be on stage. All his training has be strongman grip which he holds world records for. Yes you have great physique and I not scared to stand on stage against you. I love competition.

Anyway when you going to be on stage next @MONSTRO

The photo I post is to show a comparison between a strongman VS bodybuilder. If you notice the bodybuilder had the 🏆
 
Pigsy said:
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Anytime @MONSTRO

There is no hate, your asking @Mobster to go against you on stage. His goal has never been bodybuilding to be on stage. All his training has be strongman grip which he holds world records for. Yes you have great physique and I not scared to stand on stage against you. I love competition.

Anyway when you going to be on stage next @MONSTRO

The photo I post is to show a comparison between a strongman VS bodybuilder. If you notice the bodybuilder had the 🏆
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I think that would be a killer match up you vs monstro. I think that would be a damn good competition
 
Pigsy said:
The community here is amazing and positive. Some things we agree on some not, no one shouts you down like some other forums. And with so many years of knowledge that is here, I learnt so much and will be learning far more. Always keep an opened mine to new things
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100% agree brother! The community here has been a huge driving force with how committed and detailed I am with my logs, as well as helping realize I need to chase my dream and turn it into a reality, I enjoy how everyone will rally around others and push them to be great. I don't have time for hate or negative bs, give me harsh constructive criticism, but leave that negative shit out of it.
 
Pigsy said:
The community here is amazing and positive. Some things we agree on some not, no one shouts you down like some other forums. And with so many years of knowledge that is here, I learnt so much and will be learning far more. Always keep an opened mine to new things
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absolutely true. that is how it should be. without this place we would be guessing on all this stuff. very important we continue to share ideas and experiences to get the most out of ourselves

we have a good mix of personalities on here and backgrounds

and all our sources are outstanding with random testing ensuring that. hands down best forum out there
 
Topps_Baseball88 said:
100% agree brother! The community here has been a huge driving force with how committed and detailed I am with my logs, as well as helping realize I need to chase my dream and turn it into a reality, I enjoy how everyone will rally around others and push them to be great. I don't have time for hate or negative bs, give me harsh constructive criticism, but leave that negative shit out of it.
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yes we push each other and give a kick in the ass when needed.

we all don't want to let each other down

it is like a great NFL coach. you know how to push your players but at the same time know how to motivate them
 
MONSTRO said:
pigsy, mobster and roidrage why all the hate?

I will take on any of you in anything. bodybuilding, powerlifting anything. portugese genetics are superior to american/british genetics anyday
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i will take you up on that offer with a 1 mile sprint. if i ever make it to your island or you come to America let's do it. you are younger than me so you have the advantage on max HR. but i bet i can still beat you
 
stevesmi said:
yes we push each other and give a kick in the ass when needed.

we all don't want to let each other down

it is like a great NFL coach. you know how to push your players but at the same time know how to motivate them
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That is 100% the way to go about it knowing the fine line between to far and just right is a critical factor in how someone responds.
 
MONSTRO said:
pigsy, mobster and roidrage why all the hate?

I will take on any of you in anything. bodybuilding, powerlifting anything. portugese genetics are superior to american/british genetics anyday
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bro i will smoke yo ass in powerlifting or bodybuilding. no way porkenese genetics better than texan genetics.

haha love yo bro i coming to yo island, they okay with texans ? i speak good spanglish, that should work
 
Pigsy said:
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Anytime @MONSTRO

There is no hate, your asking @Mobster to go against you on stage. His goal has never been bodybuilding to be on stage. All his training has be strongman grip which he holds world records for. Yes you have great physique and I not scared to stand on stage against you. I love competition.

Anyway when you going to be on stage next @MONSTRO

The photo I post is to show a comparison between a strongman VS bodybuilder. If you notice the bodybuilder had the 🏆
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bro i can grip with the best of em
i spend hour fapping nightly no problem
 
MONSTRO said:
pigsy, mobster and roidrage why all the hate?

I will take on any of you in anything. bodybuilding, powerlifting anything. portugese genetics are superior to american/british genetics anyday
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Ok. I'll pay you $20 to close a No3 Ironmind's Captain's of Crush Gripper. Let's see those genetics at work. There are rules of course
 
Topps_Baseball88 said:
I want to see him actually back up his words and make this happen, if he doesn't take the challenge then it's just words with no meaning
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Let's be honest, ignoring possible national pride (all very silly at the best of times) 1) There's never been (to date) a Portuguese MrO 2) He doesn't live in Portugal but an island of theirs. He could claim that instead. 3) A LOT of replies, not just Monstros, could be where the replier hasn't read replies - qed a member thinking I'd hit 340 based on an earlier reply of someone else saying I might in another thread.

I WOULD like to see Monstro post tips here. He's had actual high level stage experience.
 
Tan
What a LOT of athletes do these days is either use Dream Tan (almost a cream) which can actually blur definition but is a one coat and go product or the competition sponsors tanning booth. But that can mean 2 applications and it's often $100 a pop.

I STILL recommend a base natural tan and that includes our darker skinned brethren.

It's also a GREAT idea to get someone to touch up tan and or the oil/glaze many used and this person MUST know what they're doing. Don't train and diet for 16 weeks and come on stage blotchy etc

Skin care too!!
 
Pigsy said:
Dream tan is banned here on Australia. If Sen using it your disqualified
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Same with a other feds. It marks EVERY surface and some event locations have 'fined' promoters a shit load to clean up. Where they allow it they've had to cover walls in plastic sheeting. One 'trick' I knew a buddy did was to literally go outside the venue - tan up - cover up and come back in.
 
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