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Approved Log My first Log - 40 years old TRT

Engutc

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Hey guys,

I posted a thread a couple weeks ago asking for an advise for TRT and the feedback I received from the community was very good. However, the main conclusion is that it's hard to advise about TRT without knowing me better, so here we go.

Age: 40
Height: 1.82m
Weight: 93kg

I have trained all my life, but honestly never took it too serious. I would train hard for 3 months and take 6 months off. On and off always, and honestly the period off was higher than the period on. About 10 years ago, I had about 10 jabs of Winstrol. A friend of mine had it and I was during my ON period (training hard) and I got quite good results. I don't remember dosage or frequency, but it was probably something stupid and wrong. Now I have been training 6x/week for 18months.

Recently felt fatigued, having mood swings, lack of drive and when I googled, the results showed that it could be low testosterone. Took the blood test and it came back as per photo. Everything seems to be all right, except for total testosterone. Everywhere I searched showed that normal levels are between 300 and 1000, but rhe lab that looked at my test, shows this range and the doctor discarded TRT because my test was within range.

My diet was pretty good for a full year, but last thirty days hasn't been great, since I quit smoking cigarretes. My main meals are still very healthy and balanced, but in between meals I have been fitting some sweets to cope with the cigarrete cravings. I gained 4kg in the last thirty days. However I am looking forward to get back on my diet on Monday.

I will soon write down how my training went today and will post suplements as well, I just thought I should share a bit of the history and the testosterone levels first, to see what you guys think. I am not really sure of what are these 4 items on the blood test. But would TRT be suitable?
 

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I am sorry, I kept saying total, but I mean free testosterone.
yeah ng/dl and nmol/l are different

anyway as far as your free test you can get on some herbals and get your shbg lower, that will free up for free testosteorne

A big mistake people make is they assume all their problems are due to low testosterone and i can tell you that a lot of people are on TRT and they are not really needing it and in some cases it can make their issues worse.

quitting cig is huge. that will help. but you did create a lot of damage from smoking that may never cure itself. you don't see too many marathon runners who are ex smokers for a reason.

but now is the time to use the log to punch those cravings in the face and get healthier
 
i have been taking Tribulus Terrestris for a while now. Would that be one of rhe herbs you meant?

If the ideal levels for free testosterone is 300 to 1000, is it wrong to think that you want to be a bit closer to 1000 than closer to 300?

I started investigating an issue, and found this 299 free testo. Even if it doesnt fix my initial issue, would it be beneficial to bring the free testo up to, let's say at least 600? And would TRT do that? Would it mess up too much the others levels (total testo, DHEAS and sex hormone)?

Guys, I am sorry if these are all dumb questions, I am new to all of these and I did try to find info on google before posting here, but couldnt find anything useful.
 
In any case, the testo levels is just something I thought I should raise to check your experience with it. If I can boost my levels whitin range and have a better life and a better performance on training I would.

In regards to training, this was my training today, what do you guys think of these exercises? English is not my first language, so I had to look for translation for pretty much every exercise, I am sorry if the names are weird haha. I have also attached some photos, I should probably get someone to tale the photos for me.

Back / Biceps / forearm

Seated cable row V Grip
15x 40kg
15x 55kg
15x 55kg
12x 65kg

Chin up (assisted)
12x 60kg
12x 60kg
10x 60kg

Reverse grip lat pulldown
15x 32.5kg
15x 32.5kg
12x 35kg

Rear delt reverse fly
12x 46kg
10x 46kg
10x 46kg

Back extension machine
15x 75kg
15x 75kg
12x 80kg

EZ bar biceps curl
15x 20kg
15x 20kg
15x 20kg

Preacher curl (machine)
15x 46kg
10x 50kg
10x 50kg

Biceps curl unilateral machine
12x 36kg
12x 36kg
12x 36kg

Concentration curl
12x 12kg
12x 12kg
8x 14kg

Wrist extension barbell palms down
15x 10kg
15x 10kg
15x 10kg

Wrist curl palms up
15x 12kg
15x 12kg
10x 14kg

Supplements: (Photo attached)
Creatine Optimum Nutrition
Pre workout Disorder
Whey protein Optimum nutrition
Tribullus Terrestris International nutrition
Fish Oil Swisse
Multivitamin free of B12 (I get too many acnes with B12)
Any suggestions on supplements?
 

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In any case, the testo levels is just something I thought I should raise to check your experience with it. If I can boost my levels whitin range and have a better life and a better performance on training I would.

In regards to training, this was my training today, what do you guys think of these exercises? English is not my first language, so I had to look for translation for pretty much every exercise, I am sorry if the names are weird haha. I have also attached some photos, I should probably get someone to tale the photos for me.

Back / Biceps / forearm

Seated cable row V Grip
15x 40kg
15x 55kg
15x 55kg
12x 65kg

Chin up (assisted)
12x 60kg
12x 60kg
10x 60kg

Reverse grip lat pulldown
15x 32.5kg
15x 32.5kg
12x 35kg

Rear delt reverse fly
12x 46kg
10x 46kg
10x 46kg

Back extension machine
15x 75kg
15x 75kg
12x 80kg

EZ bar biceps curl
15x 20kg
15x 20kg
15x 20kg

Preacher curl (machine)
15x 46kg
10x 50kg
10x 50kg

Biceps curl unilateral machine
12x 36kg
12x 36kg
12x 36kg

Concentration curl
12x 12kg
12x 12kg
8x 14kg

Wrist extension barbell palms down
15x 10kg
15x 10kg
15x 10kg

Wrist curl palms up
15x 12kg
15x 12kg
10x 14kg

Supplements: (Photo attached)
Creatine Optimum Nutrition
Pre workout Disorder
Whey protein Optimum nutrition
Tribullus Terrestris International nutrition
Fish Oil Swisse
Multivitamin free of B12 (I get too many acnes with B12)
Any suggestions on supplements?
 

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Hey guys,

I posted a thread a couple weeks ago asking for an advise for TRT and the feedback I received from the community was very good. However, the main conclusion is that it's hard to advise about TRT without knowing me better, so here we go.

Age: 40
Height: 1.82m
Weight: 93kg

I have trained all my life, but honestly never took it too serious. I would train hard for 3 months and take 6 months off. On and off always, and honestly the period off was higher than the period on. About 10 years ago, I had about 10 jabs of Winstrol. A friend of mine had it and I was during my ON period (training hard) and I got quite good results. I don't remember dosage or frequency, but it was probably something stupid and wrong. Now I have been training 6x/week for 18months.

Recently felt fatigued, having mood swings, lack of drive and when I googled, the results showed that it could be low testosterone. Took the blood test and it came back as per photo. Everything seems to be all right, except for total testosterone. Everywhere I searched showed that normal levels are between 300 and 1000, but rhe lab that looked at my test, shows this range and the doctor discarded TRT because my test was within range.

My diet was pretty good for a full year, but last thirty days hasn't been great, since I quit smoking cigarretes. My main meals are still very healthy and balanced, but in between meals I have been fitting some sweets to cope with the cigarrete cravings. I gained 4kg in the last thirty days. However I am looking forward to get back on my diet on Monday.

I will soon write down how my training went today and will post suplements as well, I just thought I should share a bit of the history and the testosterone levels first, to see what you guys think. I am not really sure of what are these 4 items on the blood test. But would TRT be suitable?
@Engutc fully now welcome to the EVO family :D very happy you have shared with us, thank you.

T Levels
You testosterone is average but that doesn't mean it's healthy for you. What I mean is that some guys have middle range test levels and its not enough for them at 40. You need higher test for sure.

Picture
You actually look great, fairly lean and strong, have some muscle on you and legit size and that we can work on for sure. Perfect base.


I am sorry, I kept saying total, but I mean free testosterone.

i have been taking Tribulus Terrestris for a while now. Would that be one of rhe herbs you meant?

If the ideal levels for free testosterone is 300 to 1000, is it wrong to think that you want to be a bit closer to 1000 than closer to 300?

I started investigating an issue, and found this 299 free testo. Even if it doesnt fix my initial issue, would it be beneficial to bring the free testo up to, let's say at least 600? And would TRT do that? Would it mess up too much the others levels (total testo, DHEAS and sex hormone)?

Guys, I am sorry if these are all dumb questions, I am new to all of these and I did try to find info on google before posting here, but couldnt find anything useful.

In any case, the testo levels is just something I thought I should raise to check your experience with it. If I can boost my levels whitin range and have a better life and a better performance on training I would.

In regards to training, this was my training today, what do you guys think of these exercises? English is not my first language, so I had to look for translation for pretty much every exercise, I am sorry if the names are weird haha. I have also attached some photos, I should probably get someone to tale the photos for me.

Back / Biceps / forearm

Seated cable row V Grip
15x 40kg
15x 55kg
15x 55kg
12x 65kg

Chin up (assisted)
12x 60kg
12x 60kg
10x 60kg

Reverse grip lat pulldown
15x 32.5kg
15x 32.5kg
12x 35kg

Rear delt reverse fly
12x 46kg
10x 46kg
10x 46kg

Back extension machine
15x 75kg
15x 75kg
12x 80kg

EZ bar biceps curl
15x 20kg
15x 20kg
15x 20kg

Preacher curl (machine)
15x 46kg
10x 50kg
10x 50kg

Biceps curl unilateral machine
12x 36kg
12x 36kg
12x 36kg

Concentration curl
12x 12kg
12x 12kg
8x 14kg

Wrist extension barbell palms down
15x 10kg
15x 10kg
15x 10kg

Wrist curl palms up
15x 12kg
15x 12kg
10x 14kg

Supplements: (Photo attached)
Creatine Optimum Nutrition
Pre workout Disorder
Whey protein Optimum nutrition
Tribullus Terrestris International nutrition
Fish Oil Swisse
Multivitamin free of B12 (I get too many acnes with B12)
Any suggestions on supplements?
Training
Training seems like you're overtraining, you're doing this EVERY day or is this a general day?
cardio how much do you do? when etc

Diet and Food
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good to start.
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please share more day to day information with us.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?
I only see creatine and preworkouts.

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred (every 1-2 weeks)
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

thank you and share more :)
 
Training
I have been doing ABCD and I've been sloppy with core and cardio, probably doing them once a week whenever I feel like it.

A. Chest/Triceps
B. Back/Biceps/Forearms
C. Shoulders/Traps
D. Legs

The one I sent on my last post was B. The amount of exercises per muscle is:

5x Back
4x Biceps
2x Forearms

Does that seem all right? I heard once that it could be overtraining, but didn't want to listen lol.

Suplemets
Creatine
Pre workout
Whey protein
Tribullus Terrestris
Fish Oil
Multivitamin free of B12 (I get too many acnes with B12)

Any suggestions on supplements?

I try to keep my fiber at 20g a day, if my diet doesn't make for it, I will take psylium.

The rest of the stuff you asked I don't even know what they are. Can you tell me more?
 
Hey guys,

I posted a thread a couple weeks ago asking for an advise for TRT and the feedback I received from the community was very good. However, the main conclusion is that it's hard to advise about TRT without knowing me better, so here we go.

Age: 40
Height: 1.82m
Weight: 93kg


I have trained all my life, but honestly never took it too serious. I would train hard for 3 months and take 6 months off. On and off always, and honestly the period off was higher than the period on. About 10 years ago, I had about 10 jabs of Winstrol. A friend of mine had it and I was during my ON period (training hard) and I got quite good results. I don't remember dosage or frequency, but it was probably something stupid and wrong. Now I have been training 6x/week for 18months.

Recently felt fatigued, having mood swings, lack of drive and when I googled, the results showed that it could be low testosterone. Took the blood test and it came back as per photo. Everything seems to be all right, except for total testosterone. Everywhere I searched showed that normal levels are between 300 and 1000, but rhe lab that looked at my test, shows this range and the doctor discarded TRT because my test was within range.

My diet was pretty good for a full year, but last thirty days hasn't been great, since I quit smoking cigarretes. My main meals are still very healthy and balanced, but in between meals I have been fitting some sweets to cope with the cigarrete cravings. I gained 4kg in the last thirty days. However I am looking forward to get back on my diet on Monday.

I will soon write down how my training went today and will post suplements as well, I just thought I should share a bit of the history and the testosterone levels first, to see what you guys think. I am not really sure of what are these 4 items on the blood test. But would TRT be suitable?

Body fat?
 
3,4 divanil and zinc are 2 of the best supplements to boost free test.
if you want to use steroids then proviron is the best on that end
 
, nothing wrong with your testosterone levels at 40 years old.

Don't mess with them yet.
 
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with your testosterone levels. You should leave things as is and just cycle steroids 8 to 12 week cycles and make sure you take plenty of time off and then you can worry about trt later on.
 
Quitting nicotine is a big withdrawal. I don't know many people who are successful. You can't fall back into bad habits with it.
 
I work in the oil industry and a lot of people smoke in my business.

It really is disgusting. You should stop doing it and get into top shape.
 
Thanks for the feedback guys.

This is probably a stupid question, but...

If I get on testosterone for a couple of months keeping my levels closer to the higher limit of the range, once I stop taking it, does it drop down to the current levels? In other words, if I bring my levels up, is there any chance thst my body will be able to keep it up after I stop using it or it would be the opposite?
 
Thanks for the feedback guys.

This is probably a stupid question, but...

If I get on testosterone for a couple of months keeping my levels closer to the higher limit of the range, once I stop taking it, does it drop down to the current levels? In other words, if I bring my levels up, is there any chance thst my body will be able to keep it up after I stop using it or it would be the opposite?
@Engutc there are no stupid questions bro, we are your EVO family happy to support you ;)
if you go on Testosterone no matter the dose, its a type of a cycle, so coming off you'd need self-TRT light or PCT bro
I dont see why you would stop using something that makes you feel great
any training updates?
 
On training I will write a bit of the recent history before I post my training today. I am all open for feedbacks, so please don't hesitate to comment if you read something that calls your attention..

I have been working out since I was 13. Always on and off and that always kept me in reasonable shape. I wasn't the strong guy, but never fat or skinny. Something in the middle, if that makes sense. In 2019 I moved to another country and life turned upside down. I stopped training completely, eating habits were terrible and social drinking was probably a 3 or 4x per week thing. During that period I gained 12kg of pure fat, going up to 105kg.

1.5 years ago I got back on track, started training everyday or at least 6x/week, got a better diet and almost don't drink anymore. Since then, I lost 15kg but gained a lot of muscles compared to how I was.

During this period I was training very hard, and started feeling pain on my elbow, then shoulders, then scapula and lower back. I believe, my biceps was strong enough to curl heavier loads but the forearms muscles didn't keep up with it, so I had injuries on my tendons and nerves and they spread to the shoulder, scapula and lower back.

It took me two months to fully recover and when I got back to the gym I decided to start over. Small loads, long reps, slow movements and slowly increasing the weights to make sure my whole body gets used to the training sessions before I increase to the weights I was once able to lift.

Anyways, this was my training today. I heard before that I could be overtraining, so if you think that as well, please let me know.


Chest
Inclined bench press dumbell
16kg / 15reps
24kg / 15reps
24kg / 15reps
26kg / 10reps

Bench press machine
22.5kg / 15reps
25kg / 12reps
25kg / 12reps

Inclined bench press machine
22.5kg / 15reps
22.5kg / 15reps
25kg / 12reps

Chest fly machine
50kg / 15reps
55kg / 12reps
55kg / 12reps

Crossover (as in declined bench press)
15kg / 15reps
15kg / 15reps
16.25kg / 10reps

Chest Dip (assisted) (I weight 93kg)
-50kg / 15reps
-40kg / 10reps
-40kg / 10reps

Triceps
Single arm cable triceps extension
7.5kg / 15reps
8.75kg / 12reps
8.75kg / 12reps

Overhead extension w/ rope
19kg / 15reps
19.5kg / 15reps
20kg / 15reps

Single arm cable neutral grip
10kg / 15reps
10kg / 12reps
10kg / 12reps

Overhead cable extension
7kg / 15reps
7kg / 15reps
7.5kg / 15reps
 
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Glad to see you started a log up. Can’t wait to follow along man. You have a good base and can make great strides if you stay serious
 
This was the training today. If there is a muscle thst I might be overttaining, this should be the one. But at the same time, shoulder trainin was the one that I suffered the most to do when I had my elbow, shoulder, scapula pains, so I am doing a lot of exercises and most of them are pretty light, just lots of repetition, trhing to get my joints, tendons, nerves to get used to it. I am struggling to take photos as I don't have anyone to take it for me right after trainong, and taking and posing at the same time is hard.

Shoulder / Traps
Seated shoulder press machine
20kg / 15 reps
40kg / 15reps
42.5kg / 12reps
45kg / 10reps

Lateral raise dumbell
8kg 15reps
9kg 12reps
9kg 10reps

Upright row cable
24.5kg 15reps
25kg 12 reps
25kg 12reps

Front raise
5kg 15reps
5kg 15 reps
5kg 15 reps

Single arm lateral raise
5kg 15 reps
5kg 15 reps
5kg 15 reps

Face pull rope
14kg 15reps
14kg 15 reps
14kg 15 reps

Shrug
28kg 15 rrps
30kg 15reps
32kg 15reps
 
As many have said - test levels of 17 are quite respectable. I'm going to offer an alternative view to the 'stay natty' crowd. The questions I'd ask - have you finished having kids, and is training likely to be an ongoing lifestyle or are you still riding life's roller coaster.

For many of us we go in spurts - train hard for a few months then work / life / family gets in the way and before we know it - we haven't been to the gym in six months, we're 5 kgs up on the scales (and not in a good way), and back to pizza three nights per week.

Over 40 can be that magical zone where the kids are a bit older, the wife is less demanding (or has left all together), and work is leveling out in terms of travel, over time etc. Over 40 can be the beginning of the 'self care' era. Focus on your health, fix up your eating, develop discipline in your training. I always used to wonder why every Saturday morning I'd see crowds of cyclists in full kit tearing around the countryside - most of them 40+. Weekend triathlons always seem heavily weighted towards the over 40s. You'll see most people go one of two ways - either they've let themselves go completely, drinking every night, gut hanging over their belt, heart attack waiting to happen. Or they flip a switch and go full on into 'self care' mode - buy a shit ton of lycra, a $10k racing bike, take up CrossFit (none of which I endorse)

17 is a respectable level of natural T but 30 is better. Much better. 17 as a natty is about as good as you'll get. Sleep becomes more elusive and your test level will drop. A glass of wine and your test level will drop. Hit another birthday and your test level will drop. Alternatively - pin your test level up to 30 and it won't matter if you have a shit night sleep, won't matter if you have an extra glass of wine with friends, won't matter how many birthdays roll by. The cost becomes less of an issue - for TRT levels a vial should last you 3-4 months. Jump on a vendor special and buy 10 vials and you'll only have to restock every three years.

But I'd only recommend this if you've flipped the switch into 'self care' mode. If you're eating clean and training regularly you'll be in the best shape of your life. If you're still on the roller coaster you'll see no benefits but have the added pain of pinning twice a week. Chances are your time management will suck, you'll miss some pins, your hormones will be all over the shop and you'll be worse off than when you started. You'll be fatter and more sensitive to E2 side effects, gyno etc.

Looking at your log photos - you look pretty good. Most people your age look terrible so you'd already be top 10% age adjusted. Adding in T can be life changing, but it's a life time commitment. It's not hard, like cleaning your teeth every day and doing your laundry every weekend. If you can do that - you can do TRT. But if your socks and undies are piled up on the floor and you haven't cleaned your teeth in three days - you're probably not going have your life dialed in enough for TRT (or my favourite - Sports TRT)
 
On training I will write a bit of the recent history before I post my training today. I am all open for feedbacks, so please don't hesitate to comment if you read something that calls your attention..

I have been working out since I was 13. Always on and off and that always kept me in reasonable shape. I wasn't the strong guy, but never fat or skinny. Something in the middle, if that makes sense. In 2019 I moved to another country and life turned upside down. I stopped training completely, eating habits were terrible and social drinking was probably a 3 or 4x per week thing. During that period I gained 12kg of pure fat, going up to 105kg.

1.5 years ago I got back on track, started training everyday or at least 6x/week, got a better diet and almost don't drink anymore. Since then, I lost 15kg but gained a lot of muscles compared to how I was.

During this period I was training very hard, and started feeling pain on my elbow, then shoulders, then scapula and lower back. I believe, my biceps was strong enough to curl heavier loads but the forearms muscles didn't keep up with it, so I had injuries on my tendons and nerves and they spread to the shoulder, scapula and lower back.

It took me two months to fully recover and when I got back to the gym I decided to start over. Small loads, long reps, slow movements and slowly increasing the weights to make sure my whole body gets used to the training sessions before I increase to the weights I was once able to lift.

Anyways, this was my training today. I heard before that I could be overtraining, so if you think that as well, please let me know.


Chest
Inclined bench press dumbell
16kg / 15reps
24kg / 15reps
24kg / 15reps
26kg / 10reps

Bench press machine
22.5kg / 15reps
25kg / 12reps
25kg / 12reps

Inclined bench press machine
22.5kg / 15reps
22.5kg / 15reps
25kg / 12reps

Chest fly machine
50kg / 15reps
55kg / 12reps
55kg / 12reps

Crossover (as in declined bench press)
15kg / 15reps
15kg / 15reps
16.25kg / 10reps

Chest Dip (assisted) (I weight 93kg)
-50kg / 15reps
-40kg / 10reps
-40kg / 10reps

Triceps
Single arm cable triceps extension
7.5kg / 15reps
8.75kg / 12reps
8.75kg / 12reps

Overhead extension w/ rope
19kg / 15reps
19.5kg / 15reps
20kg / 15reps

Single arm cable neutral grip
10kg / 15reps
10kg / 12reps
10kg / 12reps

Overhead cable extension
7kg / 15reps
7kg / 15reps
7.5kg / 15reps

This was the training today. If there is a muscle thst I might be overttaining, this should be the one. But at the same time, shoulder trainin was the one that I suffered the most to do when I had my elbow, shoulder, scapula pains, so I am doing a lot of exercises and most of them are pretty light, just lots of repetition, trhing to get my joints, tendons, nerves to get used to it. I am struggling to take photos as I don't have anyone to take it for me right after trainong, and taking and posing at the same time is hard.

Shoulder / Traps
Seated shoulder press machine
20kg / 15 reps
40kg / 15reps
42.5kg / 12reps
45kg / 10reps

Lateral raise dumbell
8kg 15reps
9kg 12reps
9kg 10reps

Upright row cable
24.5kg 15reps
25kg 12 reps
25kg 12reps

Front raise
5kg 15reps
5kg 15 reps
5kg 15 reps

Single arm lateral raise
5kg 15 reps
5kg 15 reps
5kg 15 reps

Face pull rope
14kg 15reps
14kg 15 reps
14kg 15 reps

Shrug
28kg 15 rrps
30kg 15reps
32kg 15reps
@Engutc Reviewing your training I agree with @RoidRage69 I would lower the volume on your shoulders, especially overall. Cut all sets to 2 sets and be VERY careful with overheads of any sorts due to long term shoulder injury.
 
This should be great
 
Last weekend I played soccer with some friends and I over stretched my left thigh, so instead of training legs, yesterday I did only cardio. 1h of treadmill walking and running.

Next week I will be introducing 100mg/wk of Test E. From what you guys said my test levels are okay, but I am already done having kids and I want to give it a go and check if I will feel better with my test levels slightly higher. It will be a test to TRT.

I had a few jabs about 10 years ago, but I had no idea of what I was doing. I don't even know what dosage I was taking and don't remember how often it was.

This time I want to do it properly. I want to do blood tests and check how my body is responding. I want to make sure I am using it properly and taking the most out of it. Please give me ideas of how to do it properly.

I have a tendency to get acnes, I get them even from B12. Is there anything we can do to avoid or treat the acnes?
 
Last weekend I played soccer with some friends and I over stretched my left thigh, so instead of training legs, yesterday I did only cardio. 1h of treadmill walking and running.

Next week I will be introducing 100mg/wk of Test E. From what you guys said my test levels are okay, but I am already done having kids and I want to give it a go and check if I will feel better with my test levels slightly higher. It will be a test to TRT.

I had a few jabs about 10 years ago, but I had no idea of what I was doing. I don't even know what dosage I was taking and don't remember how often it was.

This time I want to do it properly. I want to do blood tests and check how my body is responding. I want to make sure I am using it properly and taking the most out of it. Please give me ideas of how to do it properly.

I have a tendency to get acnes, I get them even from B12. Is there anything we can do to avoid or treat the acnes?
cardio is all good bro ;) how about we add some hgh to this TRT? @Engutc

acne you can try adding DIM to your mix but start off with face and body anti-acne wash
but acne is food related too, can you share what you've been eating?
 
Thanks for the reply @Npcclassicphysique champ . I will do a research here on DIM. I had acne when I was a teenager, I don't have it anymore. But every time I took multis I would get a lot of acnes. So I tried different multis and all of them would give me acnes. Then I found out that B12 could be the cause, so I bought a multi without B12 and never had it again. But in regards to testo, everywhere I looked it says it givesbyou acnes, so I am trying to be prepared.
 
Thanks for the reply @Npcclassicphysique champ . I will do a research here on DIM. I had acne when I was a teenager, I don't have it anymore. But every time I took multis I would get a lot of acnes. So I tried different multis and all of them would give me acnes. Then I found out that B12 could be the cause, so I bought a multi without B12 and never had it again. But in regards to testo, everywhere I looked it says it givesbyou acnes, so I am trying to be prepared.
B12 can cause it but really you're doing high protein so many things can bro
 
Thanks for the reply @Npcclassicphysique champ . I will do a research here on DIM. I had acne when I was a teenager, I don't have it anymore. But every time I took multis I would get a lot of acnes. So I tried different multis and all of them would give me acnes. Then I found out that B12 could be the cause, so I bought a multi without B12 and never had it again. But in regards to testo, everywhere I looked it says it givesbyou acnes, so I am trying to be prepared.
I can get acne from reasonably low doses of test. It’s from e2. Keeping my e2 in range gives me perfect skin
 
I can get acne from reasonably low doses of test. It’s from e2. Keeping my e2 in range gives me perfect skin
Agreed, e2 has a direct correlation with skin health.
 
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