Veteran Log My Bulking Journey to 200lbs

[toddthelineman]

Blueberries on eggs???

Na on yogurt. That’s messed up man hahaha

 

[toddthelineman]

So it’s day four. I’ve found more green powder because I’m a hoarder lol I just keep throwing it away. I have always wondered what is going on with people who claim to have had horrible addictions to this stuff. I took it every single day for years. Sometimes an ounce a day, but not lately, just 10g maybe an extra 2.5g on a long day. I feel fine. I don’t feel better, I don’t feel worse. I feel just normal. I can feel things more, like the burn from lifting or my feet were cold when I was all wet riding 43mph in a boat when it was 42°f.

Chickens came home today hahaha. My back is spasming pretty good. I think it’ll be ok though

 

[toddthelineman]

Are you adding in the Cialis for the heart?

Yeah it keeps my blood pressure just about perfect. I have taken it on and off for quite a while, I stop if the boners get too crazy. Pretty sensitive to it I guess

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

10/13/25 log
Body weight 188
Wake at 4:00am
Ok sleep. Maybe seven hours

Body weight 188

50mg test prop
50mg primo
25mg proviron
90mg deca

MORNING
N2Guard

ACTIVITY
>15000 steps. Pull lots of cable
See below

MIDDAY
5g psyllium husk


EVENING
MK677 10mg
Fish oil
Multivitamins
Fadogia Agrestis
Melatonin

@toddthelineman 7 hours sleep is good man....aim for 8 if possible.......

 

[toddthelineman]

@toddthelineman 7 hours sleep is good man....aim for 8 if possible.......

I try! Just lately struggling a bit

 

[BeMe]

Yeah it keeps my blood pressure just about perfect. I have taken it on and off for quite a while, I stop if the boners get too crazy. Pretty sensitive to it I guess

Eh anything that helps is a good thing, boners or not. Walking around with a stiffy all day is a small price to pay for good heart health. You could put it to work and tug the cable with it. You'd get way better leverage lol

 

[toddthelineman]

Eh anything that helps is a good thing, boners or not. Walking around with a stiffy all day is a small price to pay for good heart health. You could put it to work and tug the cable with it. You'd get way better leverage lol

We had this conversation. I can’t really take it when I’m team skiing. More than once I’ve had a my ski partner feel it, and they always push on it hahaha. Sounds fun right? It’s a problem though. I’m not trying to do that

 

[BeMe]

We had this conversation. I can’t really take it when I’m team skiing. More than once I’ve had a my ski partner feel it, and they always push on it hahaha. Sounds fun right? It’s a problem though. I’m not trying to do that

Well that Ukranian chick doesn't work for you anymore so you should be fine on the tools lol

 

[toddthelineman]

Well that Ukranian chick doesn't work for you anymore so you should be fine on the tools lol

Hahaha she was pretty hot man. Really a shame. Way too young and gay but a man could make a mistake. She actually was messing with me at first and I was like “aren’t you gay?” And she said she might be bi-curious and I shut it down. Been led around by my dick for too long

 

[BeMe]

Hahaha she was pretty hot man. Really a shame. Way too young and gay but a man could make a mistake. She actually was messing with me at first and I was like “aren’t you gay?” And she said she might be bi-curious and I shut it down. Been led around by my dick for too long

At a certain age most of us men learn. The ones who don't are doomed lol

 

[toddthelineman]

10/15/25 log
Body weight 185 feel dehydrated
Wake at 6:00am
Total nine hours, woke up once, no night sweats

Having back spasms from multiple deep zercher squat type movements, lifting very heavy bundles of cable, near max effort several times

That wouldn’t happen if I was still eating kratom, it has some kind of muscle relaxing effect. I think it’s ok, should loosen up

50mg test prop
50mg primo
25mg proviron

MORNING
N2Guard five caps
Five min vitamin D lamp

ACTIVITY
15k steps at work. Lots of pulling
And hills
Skipping the weights until at least tomorrow, see what this back pain is about.


MIDDAY
5g psyllium husk
Fish oil
Fadogia Agrestis

End of day
Back up to 188
Not sure if I hurt my back or if my body is reacting.


500mcg bpc
500mcg tb500

Fish oil
Multivitamins
Fadogia Agrestis
Baby aspirin

 

[HarleyGuy]

Aw naw she was great. I just talked to her last week. But I’m glad she didn’t move in hahaha. She’s a bartender. It wouldn’t work out.

Best thing about living with my kids is they keep the strays away. All the chicks I get are scared of my kids.

Perfect, instant "non-life-partner" detectors!
P.S. If you're still talking to her then she's on your "may bang in case of emergency" list. Just sayin'.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Yeah I feel pretty good about it. Everything seems fine. The one time I hit 500mg test I felt freaking amazing but I wasn’t prepared for the e2 at all. I’m definitely holding water. 188 pounds and my shirts don’t fit.

Are you considering a 500mg cycle with 12.5 aromasin EOD then?

 

[toddthelineman]

Perfect, instant "non-life-partner" detectors!
P.S. If you're still talking to her then she's on your "may bang in case of emergency" list. Just sayin'.

For sure. All we ever were was excellent sex for each other but not exactly a socially acceptable couple because of our friends and exes.

 

[LevButlerov]

I’m interested in trying EQ and I have some. The bloods are from 150mg/ wk test e, so they don’t represent the cycle I’ve started.

I decided to use the primo that I have because I know for sure that I like it and I don’t react badly to it in any way. EQ I’ve never done, but I gather it can be pretty strong. I’m not sure I need that kind of fire power just yet.

Do you usually count proviron when adding up total weekly androgens? If so, I’m already at 965mg/wk. more than triple the amount of anything I’ve taken for a sustained time. I feel muuuuuuch better. But it hasn’t even been a week yet.

EQ can be a great addition later but you’re right to hold off until you know how your current setup feels. Primo and proviron together already give a strong androgen balance without adding extra variables early.

Yes, include proviron in total weekly androgens since it still adds to the overall load. Stay on the current 965 mg total for a few weeks and evaluate bloods before adding EQ. @toddthelineman

 

[BeMe]

EQ can be a great addition later but you’re right to hold off until you know how your current setup feels. Primo and proviron together already give a strong androgen balance without adding extra variables early.

Yes, include proviron in total weekly androgens since it still adds to the overall load. Stay on the current 965 mg total for a few weeks and evaluate bloods before adding EQ. @toddthelineman

Really? Proviron should count for like 1/4 at most LOL

 

[HarleyGuy]

For sure. All we ever were was excellent sex for each other but not exactly a socially acceptable couple because of our friends and exes.

Friends and exes... that's a pandoras box that is only suitable for sex, and even then you're playing with matches LOL

 

[HarleyGuy]

Really? Proviron should count for like 1/4 at most LOL

If I take proviron am I no longer only on TRT? Please say no and it's okay!

 

[LevButlerov]

Really? Proviron should count for like 1/4 at most LOL

It's basically oral masteron, I would always count it

 

[HarleyGuy]

It's basically oral masteron, I would always count it

This little things we learn from you is awesome! Never thought of it that way but makes sense.

 

[BeMe]

It's basically oral masteron, I would always count it

Wish it worked like oral masteron, that would be amazing lol

Guess that means you're still on cycle @HarleyGuy haha. No TRT for you

 

[toddthelineman]

Wish it worked like oral masteron, that would be amazing lol

What did masteron do for you, @BeMe? I’ve been through two vials of it. It was purely cosmetic but as lean as I was it really did show. The first time was mast e, 200mg/ml once a week with 125mg test and hcg and that was when people really started to notice. Veins got huge. Arms looking super hard. Then I got really bad acne. I was so oily it was like I turned into a salamander or something. I could wipe my head with my hand and smear oil on you. Masteron had a really good mental effect for me, but it made me about as horny as mk677 makes me hungry. Irrational, ridiculous, obsessive. I can’t even do it.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Wish it worked like oral masteron, that would be amazing lol

Guess that means you're still on cycle @HarleyGuy haha. No TRT for you

Haha nice try. No I haven't added proviron to the TRT. I'm definitely in PBW (post blast withdrawal) though!!

 

[toddthelineman]

Haha nice try. No I haven't added proviron to the TRT. I'm definitely in PBW (post blast withdrawal) though!!

Have you used proviron? I’m really liking it. Might give you a little kick. I know whenever I lose my doses I don’t feel 100%. Sometimes I feel like shit tbh. I dropped from 250 to 100 early in the summer and it was too much.

 

[HarleyGuy]

What did masteron do for you, @BeMe? I’ve been through two vials of it. It was purely cosmetic but as lean as I was it really did show. The first time was mast e, 200mg/ml once a week with 125mg test and hcg and that was when people really started to notice. Veins got huge. Arms looking super hard. Then I got really bad acne. I was so oily it was like I turned into a salamander or something. I could wipe my head with my hand and smear oil on you. Masteron had a really good mental effect for me, but it made me about as horny as mk677 makes me hungry. Irrational, ridiculous, obsessive. I can’t even do it.

That is EXACTLY what it did for me. Veins and horned up! I was using NF trenomast at first then mastP with trenA (same thing and same dose just separate vials) when I ran out of trenomast. It was my high dose of mastP this past summer that got my first veins in my abs showing and I would be horned up the next day about 24 hours later like clockwork. I've never had acne or oily skin issues on any cycle lucky me.

I'd love to research why that is. The veins I get but the libido is anecdotal with many and it's super interesting. Masteron is pretty much by far my favourite DHT derivative. If your BF% is in the low teens it will take you to that next level with diet and training in check.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Have you used proviron? I’m really liking it. Might give you a little kick. I know whenever I lose my doses I don’t feel 100%. Sometimes I feel like shit tbh. I dropped from 250 to 100 early in the summer and it was too much.

Never tried proviron. Do you mean you were running 250mgs proviron? Or 25mg and dropped to 10mg? How did you know it was too much?

 

[toddthelineman]

Never tried proviron. Do you mean you were running 250mgs proviron? Or 25mg and dropped to 10mg? How did you know it was too much?

Oh shoot that was worded poorly. I mean from 250 test to 100 test.

I’m on my 7th dose ever of 25mg proviron daily. I believe the little bit of deca I started like a month ago and stopped almost right away had a negative mental effect on me, so I added proviron and am reintroducing deca and so far so good! Feeling positive. I like it!

 

[HarleyGuy]

Oh shoot that was worded poorly. I mean from 250 test to 100 test.

I’m on my 7th dose ever of 25mg proviron daily. I believe the little bit of deca I started like a month ago and stopped almost right away had a negative mental effect on me, so I added proviron and am reintroducing deca and so far so good! Feeling positive. I like it!

Very interesting and tempting. That extra free test floating around is obviously working for you. Is there anything else about this compound that could be helping because I know you were struggling.

 

[toddthelineman]

Very interesting and tempting. That extra free test floating around is obviously working for you. Is there anything else about this compound that could be helping because I know you were struggling.

So I had heard that proviron is used clinically for depression and such in older men. DHT can be kinda good for your brain, that’s why finasteride can screw you over so badly. When I used NPP, I did eventually start feeling kinda shitty, but it took a long time and was manageable. Like the end of the vial and I didn’t want it anymore. By the time I was ready for my third weekly shot of deca I felt the same but worse so I hit the brakes. I have a very strong sense of survival from all the stupid things I’ve done, I never get that type of depression but very dark thoughts definitely. So idk if you feel post blast withdrawal like I feel when I lower my dose of test, but I do know that people use proviron for that. Pretty handy if you ask me!

 

[HarleyGuy]

So I had heard that proviron is used clinically for depression and such in older men. DHT can be kinda good for your brain, that’s why finasteride can screw you over so badly. When I used NPP, I did eventually start feeling kinda shitty, but it took a long time and was manageable. Like the end of the vial and I didn’t want it anymore. By the time I was ready for my third weekly shot of deca I felt the same but worse so I hit the brakes. I have a very strong sense of survival from all the stupid things I’ve done, I never get that type of depression but very dark thoughts definitely. So idk if you feel post blast withdrawal like I feel when I lower my dose of test, but I do know that people use proviron for that. Pretty handy if you ask me!

I’ll add it in. It’s not like I’m blasting again adding that in. Will start tomorrow and let you know bro thanks for the advice. PBW for me is both psychological (missing pinning and knowing I’m on good gear) and physical (lower mood less intense and drag ass a bit more).

My strength is still hanging on at the gym but I lack that fire and amperage to get started and during my last rep to fail. No biggie I love what I’m maintaining anyway.

 

[LevButlerov]

Wish it worked like oral masteron, that would be amazing lol

Guess that means you're still on cycle @HarleyGuy haha. No TRT for you

It kind of does actually, but higher doses needed. @BeMe

 

[BeMe]

What did masteron do for you, @BeMe? I’ve been through two vials of it. It was purely cosmetic but as lean as I was it really did show. The first time was mast e, 200mg/ml once a week with 125mg test and hcg and that was when people really started to notice. Veins got huge. Arms looking super hard. Then I got really bad acne. I was so oily it was like I turned into a salamander or something. I could wipe my head with my hand and smear oil on you. Masteron had a really good mental effect for me, but it made me about as horny as mk677 makes me hungry. Irrational, ridiculous, obsessive. I can’t even do it.

Never run it yet. I got 4 vials in the cupboard for spring tho. Sounds like mast hits people differently more than others.

I watched some videos about guys adding lean muscle with mast. John Jewett ran it at like 2 grams per week for a show prep and gained during that phase.

Sounds like it can be a great lean gains too with some people. Hopefully that's me

 

[BeMe]

It kind of does actually, but higher doses needed. @BeMe

What kinda dosing @LevButlerov ?

I have 3 packs of Proviron in the cupboard right now lol.

 

[LevButlerov]

This little things we learn from you is awesome! Never thought of it that way but makes sense.

Try doing 100mgs of proviron ed that's literally like pinning masteron (don't do it lol dry joints just in theory)

 

[toddthelineman]

Never run it yet. I got 4 vials in the cupboard for spring tho. Sounds like mast hits people differently more than others.

I watched some videos about guys adding lean muscle with mast. John Jewett ran it at like 2 grams per week for a show prep and gained during that phase.

Sounds like it can be a great lean gains too with some people. Hopefully that's me

I believe you can get big and strong with it. I’ll bet it takes a lot. I ágata hear the guys that like it saying that they take a lot, like really a lot, and that they don’t get side effects. I think my issues were related to the high e2 I had at the time. And just being weird I’m general, obviously lol

 

[BeMe]

Try doing 100mgs of proviron ed that's literally like pinning masteron (don't do it lol dry joints just in theory)

Interesting....we gotta make sure Harley doesn't read this lol

 

[BeMe]

I believe you can get big and strong with it. I’ll bet it takes a lot. I ágata hear the guys that like it saying that they take a lot, like really a lot, and that they don’t get side effects. I think my issues were related to the high e2 I had at the time. And just being weird I’m general, obviously lol

Ya maybe give it another when you're really dialed in next ski season. Run it when you're already lean and then look like a god during your shows.

 

[toddthelineman]

Ya maybe give it another when you're really dialed in next ski season. Run it when you're already lean and then look like a god during your shows.

Hahaha I’ll just bead up, never get wet. Leaving oil rainbows in the water lol. Girls slipping all over me. Blinding the camera with my extra shiny head

 

[BeMe]

Hahaha I’ll just bead up, never get wet. Leaving oil rainbows in the water lol. Girls slipping all over me. Blinding the camera with my extra shiny head

You'll look like the guys in those old school mastercraft ads in the magazines...minus the hair of course lol.

 

[LevButlerov]

Interesting....we gotta make sure Harley doesn't read this lol

clicking HIDE post lol

 

[toddthelineman]

10/16/25 log
Body weight 187
Wake at 4:30am

50mg test prop
50mg primo
25mg proviron

MORNING
500mcg bpc157
500mcg tb500
N2Guard five caps
Five min vitamin D lamp

ACTIVITY

MIDDAY
5g psyllium husk
Fish oil
Fadogia Agrestis


500mcg bpc
500mcg tb500

Fish oil
Multivitamins
Fadogia Agrestis
Baby aspirin

 

[BeMe]

10/16/25 log
Body weight 187
Wake at 4:30am

50mg test prop
50mg primo
25mg proviron

MORNING
500mcg bpc157
500mcg tb500
N2Guard five caps
Five min vitamin D lamp

ACTIVITY

MIDDAY
5g psyllium husk
Fish oil
Fadogia Agrestis


500mcg bpc
500mcg tb500

Fish oil
Multivitamins
Fadogia Agrestis
Baby aspirin

What happened to the daily BP readings bro.

Your pinning ED now?

 

[toddthelineman]

What happened to the daily BP readings bro.

Your pinning ED now?

Eh I think my cuff is under the bed here somewhere. Thanks for the accountability

Yes currently pinning daily. It’s my “feel good stack” hahaha.
Ban a rough few weeks. I had the best fucking day today. Almost done with a stupid project, that’ll pay out the 10% they’ve held since I started here, last November! And I have like five new projects to choose from. One cold called me today from a reference. Gonna be a good one and close to home sorta, but my best friend and his whole family who took me in as a teen are there! And I got date coming up that I’m really into. I’m back!

 

[toddthelineman]

Eh I think my cuff is under the bed here somewhere. Thanks for the accountability

Yes currently pinning daily. It’s my “feel good stack” hahaha.
Ban a rough few weeks. I had the best fucking day today. Almost done with a stupid project, that’ll pay out the 10% they’ve held since I started here, last November! And I have like five new projects to choose from. One cold called me today from a reference. Gonna be a good one and close to home sorta, but my best friend and his whole family who took me in as a teen are there! And I got date coming up that I’m really into. I’m back!

Could be better. But maybe not bad considering im blasting a gram and my weight is up. I could run I think. Seems like the approved sources don’t carry much for blood pressure. Definitely not domestic. Problem is when I go to the doctor I talk to the nurses and my blood pressure always drops. Every single time. I could go in at 155/wtf and then they’ll put the cuff on me and it’s like 117/60 or whatever.

 

[LevButlerov]

10/16/25 log
Body weight 187
Wake at 4:30am

50mg test prop
50mg primo
25mg proviron

MORNING
500mcg bpc157
500mcg tb500
N2Guard five caps
Five min vitamin D lamp

ACTIVITY

MIDDAY
5g psyllium husk
Fish oil
Fadogia Agrestis


500mcg bpc
500mcg tb500

Fish oil
Multivitamins
Fadogia Agrestis
Baby aspirin

Overall good macros and good supps @toddthelineman you pinning this ED?

Could be better. But maybe not bad considering im blasting a gram and my weight is up. I could run I think. Seems like the approved sources don’t carry much for blood pressure. Definitely not domestic. Problem is when I go to the doctor I talk to the nurses and my blood pressure always drops. Every single time. I could go in at 155/wtf and then they’ll put the cuff on me and it’s like 117/60 or whatever.

BP is fine 129 nothing to worry about imo

 

[toddthelineman]

you pinning this ED?

Yep. ED. so 350 test prop and 350 primo. It’s priority fit psychological reasons. And rotating small pins of primo maybe less PIP. I’m not really having any except when I did my lats, I’d never did them before. I’m also pinning 90 mg of deca weekly. Might go up on that

 

[LevButlerov]

Yep. ED. so 350 test prop and 350 primo. It’s priority fit psychological reasons. And rotating small pins of primo maybe less PIP. I’m not really having any except when I did my lats, I’d never did them before. I’m also pinning 90 mg of deca weekly. Might go up on that

That's nice actually test and primo clean combo and primo is high pip so smart you splitting it.
Lats can be sore from pins try doing pull ups to pump the muscle after. @toddthelineman
deca stay at 90 for now imo, max at 150 you want to stay around bodybuilding TRT+ range of 100mgs

 

[toddthelineman]

That's nice actually test and primo clean combo and primo is high pip so smart you splitting it.
Lats can be sore from pins try doing pull ups to pump the muscle after. @toddthelineman
deca stay at 90 for now imo, max at 150 you want to stay around bodybuilding TRT+ range of 100mgs

Awesome this deca will last me like a year hahaha. I’m wondering how long it will take for the primo to max out, like two weeks maybe, at this rate? Then I can get bloods and determine correctly my e2?

 

[BeMe]

Eh I think my cuff is under the bed here somewhere. Thanks for the accountability

Yes currently pinning daily. It’s my “feel good stack” hahaha.
Ban a rough few weeks. I had the best fucking day today. Almost done with a stupid project, that’ll pay out the 10% they’ve held since I started here, last November! And I have like five new projects to choose from. One cold called me today from a reference. Gonna be a good one and close to home sorta, but my best friend and his whole family who took me in as a teen are there! And I got date coming up that I’m really into. I’m back!

Nice bro everything sounding good. Those 10 points in the pocket will be nice. Love those stupid hold backs when you can't complete the project cuz of other people. It's the worst.

Good luck on the date bro. Don't forget to take your Cialis lol

 

[BeMe]

That's nice actually test and primo clean combo and primo is high pip so smart you splitting it.
Lats can be sore from pins try doing pull ups to pump the muscle after. @toddthelineman
deca stay at 90 for now imo, max at 150 you want to stay around bodybuilding TRT+ range of 100mgs

Really @LevButlerov ?

We have another good debate subject for you and the boys on the podcast lol. I'm gonna start making a list. That would be the biggest episode in history if you guys did it. That's 3 good subjects now.

I'm gonna try that trick. Is it good for all muscle groups?

 

[BeMe]

Awesome this deca will last me like a year hahaha. I’m wondering how long it will take for the primo to max out, like two weeks maybe, at this rate? Then I can get bloods and determine correctly my e2?

How much primo you got? I remember you said 2 vials but what's the concentration?
10ml at 200mg/ml you got 2000mgs in there. 350 per week you're just under 6 weeks per vial

 

[toddthelineman]

How much primo you got? I remember you said 2 vials but what's the concentration?
10ml at 200mg/ml you got 2000mgs in there. 350 per week you're just under 6 weeks per vial

I managed to get two more from PSL before they sold out. But it’s 100/ml. I had 200mg/ml a long time ago. PIP was silly. Like I was limping hahaha

 

[toddthelineman]

Don't forget to take your Cialis lol

Don’t worry hahaha.

 

[BeMe]

I managed to get two more from PSL before they sold out. But it’s 100/ml. I had 200mg/ml a long time ago. PIP was silly. Like I was limping hahaha

Ah so half of my estimate then. Yep you got a few weeks left. Sux cuz you're gonna run out right when it really starts to do some work. Maybe you can find some more?

 

[toddthelineman]

Ah so half of my estimate then. Yep you got a few weeks left. Sux cuz you're gonna run out right when it really starts to do some work. Maybe you can find some more?

There’s more around. Expensiver though. If I keep the cycle going I’ll just switch to EQ. At a lower dose with more test.

 

[BeMe]

There’s more around. Expensiver though. If I keep the cycle going I’ll just switch to EQ. At a lower dose with more test.

But when you switch to EQ you're gonna have to wait 8 weeks before it reaches saturation. By then it's already a fairly long cycle.

Might be worth it to bite the bullet this one time and just pay up bro.

 

[toddthelineman]

But when you switch to EQ you're gonna have to wait 8 weeks before it reaches saturation. By then it's already a fairly long cycle.

Might be worth it to bite the bullet this one time and just pay up bro.

How long should I have planned for? I’ll be at roughly 12 weeks by the time I run out. Double it? I’ll probably get bloodwork next week, as then I will have been pinning the primo for two full weeks and I’ll be able to see what it’s doing with my E2. I imagine my blood will be pretty thick before too long. I may simply not be able to maximize the cycle because of things like that. I feel pretty good. No sides really, other than wanting to lift on rest days hahaha. And… decreased appetite? Definitely. But I’m gaining weight.

 

[LevButlerov]

Really @LevButlerov ?

We have another good debate subject for you and the boys on the podcast lol. I'm gonna start making a list. That would be the biggest episode in history if you guys did it. That's 3 good subjects now.

I'm gonna try that trick. Is it good for all muscle groups?

It's best for us to actually write it and get the info down in a mega thread, more long term info for EVO brothers.
I have like 20 threads in my to do que lol for mega haven't gotten to them @BeMe

 

[BeMe]

It's best for us to actually write it and get the info down in a mega thread, more long term info for EVO brothers.
I have like 20 threads in my to do que lol for mega haven't gotten to them @BeMe

C'mon bro...don't be shy. Do it do it do it!!! Lol

 

[BeMe]

How long should I have planned for? I’ll be at roughly 12 weeks by the time I run out. Double it? I’ll probably get bloodwork next week, as then I will have been pinning the primo for two full weeks and I’ll be able to see what it’s doing with my E2. I imagine my blood will be pretty thick before too long. I may simply not be able to maximize the cycle because of things like that. I feel pretty good. No sides really, other than wanting to lift on rest days hahaha. And… decreased appetite? Definitely. But I’m gaining weight.

12 weeks? You got some secret vials somewhere cuz 2000mg ain't getting you to 12 bro. You're not gonna make 6 with the primo you go.

I ran my primo cycle for 16 weeks and my blood markers all stayed in range. I think my blood leans on the thinner range tho

 

[LevButlerov]

C'mon bro...don't be shy. Do it do it do it!!! Lol

Thread will be up soon lol
last thing we need is to get management all in a bunch after a yelling match haha we had that @BeMe
lets move the thread back to @toddthelineman bulk log

 

[toddthelineman]

weeks? You got some secret vials somewhere cuz 2000mg ain't getting you to 12 bro. You're not gonna make 6 with the primo you go.

Yeah two pharmaqo and two PSL vials. So 4000mg but I’m about 2/3 the way through the first

 

[BeMe]

Yeah two pharmaqo and two PSL vials. So 4000mg but I’m about 2/3 the way through the first

Oh nice. That's a pretty good cycle there. Why switch to EQ then? You got 10 good weeks on primo, then adding EQ at the end would really really extend your cycle

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah two pharmaqo and two PSL vials. So 4000mg but I’m about 2/3 the way through the first

Oh nice. That's a pretty good cycle there. Why switch to EQ then? You got 10 good weeks on primo, then adding EQ at the end would really really extend your cycle

I think adding Eq would be a nice add imo would give @toddthelineman a good pump and extend what he's doing, low dose of course @BeMe

 

[toddthelineman]

Oh nice. That's a pretty good cycle there. Why switch to EQ then? You got 10 good weeks on primo, then adding EQ at the end would really really extend your cycle

Well. If the bloods are good, the bulk continues. It’s gonna be a while. This is going to happen in phases, probably. Maybe a couple years to hit a decently lean 200 without issues. I’ve been 195 twice. Once natty. Once on a bunch of things lol.

 

[toddthelineman]

I think adding Eq would be a nice add imo would give @toddthelineman a good pump and extend what he's doing, low dose of course @BeMe

I’m game. I’d like to get to lifting much closer to what I was two years ago. That got me bigger. Was about 190 when I was repping 250ish bench. I wasn’t on a whole lot mg wise, but I ran it for a loooooong time. I’m feeling close to 100% as far as nagging joints. But don’t want to try to progress too fast either

 

[LevButlerov]

I’m game. I’d like to get to lifting much closer to what I was two years ago. That got me bigger. Was about 190 when I was repping 250ish bench. I wasn’t on a whole lot mg wise, but I ran it for a loooooong time. I’m feeling close to 100% as far as nagging joints. But don’t want to try to progress too fast either

If you start adding eq, dial back the primobolan. Eq is much stronger imo @toddthelineman
We want to look at higher test and eq doses with an oral if you can manage it with your work.

 

[BeMe]

I think adding Eq would be a nice add imo would give @toddthelineman a good pump and extend what he's doing, low dose of course @BeMe

Yea but if he's running primo for almost 11 weeks, then adding EQ will take 8 weeks to reach saturation, that's 19 weeks on cycle? @toddthelineman did just have a bit of a heart scare too. Would a long cycle really be safe given all that?

 

[toddthelineman]

Yea but if he's running primo for almost 11 weeks, then adding EQ will take 8 weeks to reach saturation, that's 19 weeks on cycle? @toddthelineman did just have a bit of a heart scare too. Would a long cycle really be safe given all that?

I appreciate you @BeMe. Probably, no cycle is super safe for me. I should be rocking like 80mg/wk and I need a cardiologist that I can be honest with, which is a huge risk. Could screw me over insurance wise for the rest of my uncertain life.

I can rationalize anything, you know? Like the irregular heart rhythm hasn’t returned. I’m feeling better. I ran today, it felt normal. I can usually crank a 7 1/2 minute mile without training. I could do an 8 right now I’m sure. A 7 if I was being chased.

So I can go back to telling myself that my heart must be great. But I don’t know that. I know I’ve put it through a lot and I’ll pay for it sooner or later. I just can’t quite figure out how to navigate the health industry in a way that’s actually going to be worth it to me. I’m not paying $1400 a month for insurance that is next to worthless. And my finances are too chaotic to make that realistic right now. But it’s not far off. Medical tourism is way more attractive but I’ve barely researched that. That’s some other interesting options. But the toughest thing is if I talk a doctor my entire history, as a business owner who doesn’t have a group plan, I am absolutely uninsurable.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yea but if he's running primo for almost 11 weeks, then adding EQ will take 8 weeks to reach saturation, that's 19 weeks on cycle? @toddthelineman did just have a bit of a heart scare too. Would a long cycle really be safe given all that?

I'm assuming here he will bridge for 4 weeks self TRT between the blasts @BeMe but I seem to be wrong @toddthelineman were you going to bridge?

 

[toddthelineman]

I'm assuming here he will bridge for 4 weeks self TRT between the blasts @BeMe but I seem to be wrong @toddthelineman were you going to bridge?

Tbh I haven’t planned it out much. I was going to let my bloodwork dictate my cycles. As well as just, life complications like these booms and busts at work.

 

[LevButlerov]

Tbh I haven’t planned it out much. I was going to let my bloodwork dictate my cycles. As well as just, life complications like these booms and busts at work.

I like your approach, lets see bloods first and move from there @toddthelineman

 

[toddthelineman]

I like your approach, lets see bloods first and move from there @toddthelineman

I just now finally got the hs estradiaol from my last trt bloodwork, October 7th. It’s 83!

The regular e2 test said 40. Barely out of range.

It sucks it takes two weeks to get accurate results. But why no symptoms

 

[LevButlerov]

I just now finally got the hs estradiaol from my last trt bloodwork, October 7th. It’s 83!

The regular e2 test said 40. Barely out of range.

It sucks it takes two weeks to get accurate results. But why no symptoms

You mean the last one you posted? @toddthelineman
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-bulking-journey-to-200lbs.105770/post-1854607

That’s my eq plan. I did find PSL has primo as well.

Didn’t get prolactin. I’ll get it on the next round

 

[toddthelineman]

You mean the last one you posted?

Yes the last one I posted, but here’s the updated hs e2.

So which one is right? It sucks waiting two weeks for the high sensitivity e2. And it costs more. And it’s freaking me out lol. That’s crazy I was on 150mg, and I wasn’t taking fadogia or hcg generate for at least a couple weeks. Sheesh. It’s a little strange because my skin was clear and hmmmm. You know? I was feeling pretty negative but that’s about it. I just figured it was because things in life weren’t going my way and I didn’t think I was being influenced hormonally

 

[toddthelineman]

There it is. Probably the last primo under $100 a vial in the world lol.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yes the last one I posted, but here’s the updated hs e2.

So which one is right? It sucks waiting two weeks for the high sensitivity e2. And it costs more. And it’s freaking me out lol. That’s crazy I was on 150mg, and I wasn’t taking fadogia or hcg generate for at least a couple weeks. Sheesh. It’s a little strange because my skin was clear and hmmmm. You know? I was feeling pretty negative but that’s about it. I just figured it was because things in life weren’t going my way and I didn’t think I was being influenced hormonally

You don't need to freak out, don't worry
E2 at 83 pg/mL on LC/MS is high for most labs but not unheard of on 150 mg/week test, especially if you pin long ester once weekly. LC/MS is the accurate method so it’s not inflated like the old immunoassay tests.

If you don’t have high e2 sides like nipple irritation, bloat, or mood swings, you can leave it alone since that level still supports libido and joints. Nothing to panic about there.
If you do have symptoms, split your shots to 3x per week or use a small AI dose to bring it into the 40–50 pg/mL range. Though I dont think you had symptoms, I read back 20 pages this evening with your log didnt see them. @toddthelineman

 

[LevButlerov]

There it is. Probably the last primo under $100 a vial in the world lol.

Love this Euro pharmacies touchdown from Team PSL @~Vision~ @PSL @Phill @macedog24

 

[BeMe]

I appreciate you @BeMe. Probably, no cycle is super safe for me. I should be rocking like 80mg/wk and I need a cardiologist that I can be honest with, which is a huge risk. Could screw me over insurance wise for the rest of my uncertain life.

I can rationalize anything, you know? Like the irregular heart rhythm hasn’t returned. I’m feeling better. I ran today, it felt normal. I can usually crank a 7 1/2 minute mile without training. I could do an 8 right now I’m sure. A 7 if I was being chased.

So I can go back to telling myself that my heart must be great. But I don’t know that. I know I’ve put it through a lot and I’ll pay for it sooner or later. I just can’t quite figure out how to navigate the health industry in a way that’s actually going to be worth it to me. I’m not paying $1400 a month for insurance that is next to worthless. And my finances are too chaotic to make that realistic right now. But it’s not far off. Medical tourism is way more attractive but I’ve barely researched that. That’s some other interesting options. But the toughest thing is if I talk a doctor my entire history, as a business owner who doesn’t have a group plan, I am absolutely uninsurable.

Maybe take a quickie trip down to Mexico for a battery of tests? Theres some home monitoring equipment you could get too to keep an eye on things.

The heart is no joke bro. Gets more people than anything else and you never see it coming. They call it the silent killer for a reason.

You got kids bro and a long life ahead of you. With health it's always better to be proactive and handle a small problem before it gets big. I'm just hopeful it was all the kratom and nothing more.

 

[BeMe]

Yes the last one I posted, but here’s the updated hs e2.

So which one is right? It sucks waiting two weeks for the high sensitivity e2. And it costs more. And it’s freaking me out lol. That’s crazy I was on 150mg, and I wasn’t taking fadogia or hcg generate for at least a couple weeks. Sheesh. It’s a little strange because my skin was clear and hmmmm. You know? I was feeling pretty negative but that’s about it. I just figured it was because things in life weren’t going my way and I didn’t think I was being influenced hormonally

Hey just numbers on a page like my doctor always tells me. There's sooo many things that can influence a high hormone reading on 1 test. As long as you feel ok that's all that matters.

Were you pinning ED at that point? Did you stop 3 days before the test?

 

[toddthelineman]

Were you pinning ED at that point? Did you stop 3 days before the test?

Once a week! It was pin day. Hadn’t pinned in a week!

 

[BeMe]

Once a week! It was pin day. Hadn’t pinned in a week!

Hmmm...did you watch the notebook the night before?

 

[toddthelineman]

Hmmm...did you watch the notebook the night before?

I had to look it up. Hahaha. Man I think I just don’t clear estradiol well for some reason. Me more psyllium husk or something. I remember some dumb YouTuber saying if your mom and sisters had big boobs you were doomed for gyno. Well I had e2 probably near and over 100 for years. No lumps or anything. All my sisters were stacked before they just got fat. Well. Two of them did. I think maybe it’s just the way I’m set up and it isn’t necessarily a problem but I’m sure it could be in a hurry if something goes wrong.

I definitely need to get diligent on my log. I’m tracking mostly, just not uploading. Lazy

 

[toddthelineman]

You don't need to freak out, don't worry
E2 at 83 pg/mL on LC/MS is high for most labs but not unheard of on 150 mg/week test, especially if you pin long ester once weekly. LC/MS is the accurate method so it’s not inflated like the old immunoassay tests.

If you don’t have high e2 sides like nipple irritation, bloat, or mood swings, you can leave it alone since that level still supports libido and joints. Nothing to panic about there.
If you do have symptoms, split your shots to 3x per week or use a small AI dose to bring it into the 40–50 pg/mL range. Though I dont think you had symptoms, I read back 20 pages this evening with your log didnt see them. @toddthelineman

I appreciate it it @LevButlerov

 

[BeMe]

I had to look it up. Hahaha. Man I think I just don’t clear estradiol well for some reason. Me more psyllium husk or something. I remember some dumb YouTuber saying if your mom and sisters had big boobs you were doomed for gyno. Well I had e2 probably near and over 100 for years. No lumps or anything. All my sisters were stacked before they just got fat. Well. Two of them did. I think maybe it’s just the way I’m set up and it isn’t necessarily a problem but I’m sure it could be in a hurry if something goes wrong.

I definitely need to get diligent on my log. I’m tracking mostly, just not uploading. Lazy

You don't remember that movie? You must not have had a gf when that came out cuz ever girl had to see it. Shoulda said sleepless in Seattle or something cuz you're a bit older than me haha.

Maybe you don't need to worry about e2 all that much from the sounds of it. Just keep an eye out for sides and stay the course bro

 

[LevButlerov]

I appreciate it it @LevButlerov

you have no symptoms now? e2

 

[toddthelineman]

you have no symptoms now? e2

No none. I feel great with 350 test p, 350 primo, 90 deca and 25mg proviron. No nipple sensitivity. I have one pimple, but it’s on the side of my neck, not chest, back, or shoulders where I used to get acne from gear

 

[LevButlerov]

No none. I feel great with 350 test p, 350 primo, 90 deca and 25mg proviron. No nipple sensitivity. I have one pimple, but it’s on the side of my neck, not chest, back, or shoulders where I used to get acne from gear

I would stay on this dose in that case you know these tests can be off, just wrong time of day or wrong blood volume can throw off e2 easy. @toddthelineman i put stock into tests only when 2 in a row and you feel horrible

 

[toddthelineman]

You don't remember that movie? You must not have had a gf when that came out cuz ever girl had to see it. Shoulda said sleepless in Seattle or something cuz you're a bit older than me haha.

Maybe you don't need to worry about e2 all that much from the sounds of it. Just keep an eye out for sides and stay the course bro

In fact, I was married when it came out. That must’ve been where I fucked up

But I just had a first date with a pretty hot competition powerlifter chick. She’s pretty classy for a junkyard dog like me. I’m supposed to watch movies with her? I stopped doing that when Princess Bride was your best bet.

 

[~Vision~]

There it is. Probably the last primo under $100 a vial in the world lol.

That probably is the last, I know I definitely stocked up..

 

[Mobster]

There it is. Probably the last primo under $100 a vial in the world lol.

And from @PSL

 

[BeMe]

In fact, I was married when it came out. That must’ve been where I fucked up

But I just had a first date with a pretty hot competition powerlifter chick. She’s pretty classy for a junkyard dog like me. I’m supposed to watch movies with her? I stopped doing that when Princess Bride was your best bet.

How'd the date go? She sounds really cool. How'd you meet her?

 

[toddthelineman]

How'd the date go? She sounds really cool. How'd you meet her?

It was good man. Probably the most well adjusted woman I’ve connected with in my adult life. Just a quick first date but we’re for sure going again. Found her on a dating app. The algorithms for those things are so dumb man. Seems like if you have any success, they start highlighting you more. So you get the digits from one match, all of sudden you have more matches than you can deal with lol. After a week of crickets.

 

[stevesmi]

There it is. Probably the last primo under $100 a vial in the world lol.

@toddthelineman nice touchdown on this one. you are going to enjoy those. EP is a solid brand we talk about them on the podcast a lot too

 

[ceo]

I had to look it up. Hahaha. Man I think I just don’t clear estradiol well for some reason. Me more psyllium husk or something. I remember some dumb YouTuber saying if your mom and sisters had big boobs you were doomed for gyno. Well I had e2 probably near and over 100 for years. No lumps or anything. All my sisters were stacked before they just got fat. Well. Two of them did. I think maybe it’s just the way I’m set up and it isn’t necessarily a problem but I’m sure it could be in a hurry if something goes wrong.

I definitely need to get diligent on my log. I’m tracking mostly, just not uploading. Lazy

Bros are certainly possible. Everybody react to estrogen different also could be based on your age two things can change as you get older. @toddthelineman

 

[BeMe]

It was good man. Probably the most well adjusted woman I’ve connected with in my adult life. Just a quick first date but we’re for sure going again. Found her on a dating app. The algorithms for those things are so dumb man. Seems like if you have any success, they start highlighting you more. So you get the digits from one match, all of sudden you have more matches than you can deal with lol. After a week of crickets.

Never pegged you for such a modern man hooking up on dating apps like the kids these days. Makes sense tho cuz at our age it's tough to meet someone new.

It's never too late for love and there's someone out there for everyone I say. Go with it and see where it take you bro!

 

[toddthelineman]

Never pegged you for such a modern man hooking up on dating apps like the kids these days. Makes sense tho cuz at our age it's tough to meet someone new.

It's never too late for love and there's someone out there for everyone I say. Go with it and see where it take you bro!

I mean, I do ok on them. I don’t prefer it, but yeah, I’m not meeting enough women, and my circle is too small. I literally don’t want to date any women from my home town ever again. She’d really have to convince me lol. So dating apps it is. Limitless options in the suburbs

 

[2Thick]

There it is. Probably the last primo under $100 a vial in the world lol.

@toddthelineman sweet ass landing right there. primo and masteron are getting hard to come by. so stock up while you can

 

[Ulter]

I mean, I do ok on them. I don’t prefer it, but yeah, I’m not meeting enough women, and my circle is too small. I literally don’t want to date any women from my home town ever again. She’d really have to convince me lol. So dating apps it is. Limitless options in the suburbs

i would never use those apps. but i get that its probably needed. i haven't even slept with a women in years @toddthelineman

 

[LevButlerov]

That probably is the last, I know I definitely stocked up..

Primobolan going fast but Euro pharma has equipoise which is a good swap for primo @~Vision~
we have a good megathread about it
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ios-a-study-of-equipoise-and-estrogen.105375/