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Approved Log Going from TRT to first cycle Journal

Touchdown! Kind of...
Lol. Just got my BPC-157/TB500 in the mail and noticed a little rip in the package. Opened and noticed a white powder. Then that's when I saw one of the visits must have busted in transit. It's okay though, they were free (😁👌). But damnit USPS! Lol.
 

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Nezz4488 said:
Touchdown! Kind of...
Lol. Just got my BPC-157/TB500 in the mail and noticed a little rip in the package. Opened and noticed a white powder. Then that's when I saw one of the visits must have busted in transit. It's okay though, they were free (😁👌). But damnit USPS! Lol.
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I hate that damn touchdown looks good but broken :( @Nezz4488
who are these from what supplier?
 
LevButlerov said:
I hate that damn touchdown looks good but broken :( @Nezz4488
who are these from what supplier?
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Napsgear. They're the ones I ordered from them when Jason Hill put the credit on my account. I'm pretty sure they came international because it took a minute for them to get here once the label was created so they could have broke then. 🤷
 
Nezz4488 said:
Napsgear. They're the ones I ordered from them when Jason Hill put the credit on my account. I'm pretty sure they came international because it took a minute for them to get here once the label was created so they could have broke then. 🤷
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Talk to @jasonhill800 again I'll pDM him too.
 
Nezz4488 said:
Touchdown! Kind of...
Lol. Just got my BPC-157/TB500 in the mail and noticed a little rip in the package. Opened and noticed a white powder. Then that's when I saw one of the visits must have busted in transit. It's okay though, they were free (😁👌). But damnit USPS! Lol.
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Vials and yep. At least USPS gets the blame
 
Nezz4488 said:
Touchdown! Kind of...
Lol. Just got my BPC-157/TB500 in the mail and noticed a little rip in the package. Opened and noticed a white powder. Then that's when I saw one of the visits must have busted in transit. It's okay though, they were free (😁👌). But damnit USPS! Lol.
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@Nezz4488 has happened to me many times. sucks but that is part of the game when getting things delivered. they are pretty rough with packages
 
True, all part of the game. But on the positive side I still got my 1 vial. Lol. Also, I didn't know it when I ordered it but what & how do you mix the powder up? I'm assuming something is to be injected in the vial but can somebody elaborate on the process please? I've noticed the joints in the arms get a little sore when I go a little too hard on pull days. I'm curious to find out how well this works to promote healing.
 
Nezz4488 said:
Touchdown! Kind of...
Lol. Just got my BPC-157/TB500 in the mail and noticed a little rip in the package. Opened and noticed a white powder. Then that's when I saw one of the visits must have busted in transit. It's okay though, they were free (😁👌). But damnit USPS! Lol.
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bros i seen worse then that. one time i had gear hanging out of package by tape lol. it happens when delivering @Nezz4488
 
Nezz4488 said:
Touchdown! Kind of...
Lol. Just got my BPC-157/TB500 in the mail and noticed a little rip in the package. Opened and noticed a white powder. Then that's when I saw one of the visits must have busted in transit. It's okay though, they were free (😁👌). But damnit USPS! Lol.
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I've had that happen a few times myself. @Nezz4488 It really sucks because that's not cheap stuff at all.
 
Nezz4488 said:
Touchdown! Kind of...
Lol. Just got my BPC-157/TB500 in the mail and noticed a little rip in the package. Opened and noticed a white powder. Then that's when I saw one of the visits must have busted in transit. It's okay though, they were free (😁👌). But damnit USPS! Lol.
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This is just part of life, my man. When we order these things from the internet and they get delivered. Sometimes stuff like this can happen. @Nezz4488 However, I'm glad you have a good mentality about it. Don't sweat the small stuff in life.
 
Nezz4488 said:
Touchdown! Kind of...
Lol. Just got my BPC-157/TB500 in the mail and noticed a little rip in the package. Opened and noticed a white powder. Then that's when I saw one of the visits must have busted in transit. It's okay though, they were free (😁👌). But damnit USPS! Lol.
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@Nezz4488 Always sucks to get something in the mail and have this happen. It's just part of how things go. They once broke something of mine when I got it delivered it was furniture.
 
ceo said:
bros i seen worse then that. one time i had gear hanging out of package by tape lol. it happens when delivering @Nezz4488
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Lol! Atleast the tape kept it in there.

Ulter said:
This is just part of life, my man. When we order these things from the internet and they get delivered. Sometimes stuff like this can happen. @Nezz4488 However, I'm glad you have a good mentality about it. Don't sweat the small stuff in life.
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Yup, not trying to stress the little things. 😁

LevButlerov said:
did he DM you yet?
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Naw, haven't heard anything back from him yet. Like @Ulter said though, not stressing it. 😊

Also, where do y'all get your syringes and stuff from? I ordered a pack of the leur lock tips off Amazon (the ones that say for laboratory use) and had one that wouldn't even break the skin even though it looked sharp and was a 27g.
 
Nezz4488 said:
Touchdown! Kind of...
Lol. Just got my BPC-157/TB500 in the mail and noticed a little rip in the package. Opened and noticed a white powder. Then that's when I saw one of the visits must have busted in transit. It's okay though, they were free (😁👌). But damnit USPS! Lol.
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Brother, submit the ticket for it and send me the ticket number in pm.
 
Nezz4488 said:
Lol! Atleast the tape kept it in there.


Yup, not trying to stress the little things. 😁


Naw, haven't heard anything back from him yet. Like @Ulter said though, not stressing it. 😊

Also, where do y'all get your syringes and stuff from? I ordered a pack of the leur lock tips off Amazon (the ones that say for laboratory use) and had one that wouldn't even break the skin even though it looked sharp and was a 27g.
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Yes. You can't stress out over things.
 
Nezz4488 said:
Lol! Atleast the tape kept it in there.


Yup, not trying to stress the little things. 😁


Naw, haven't heard anything back from him yet. Like @Ulter said though, not stressing it. 😊

Also, where do y'all get your syringes and stuff from? I ordered a pack of the leur lock tips off Amazon (the ones that say for laboratory use) and had one that wouldn't even break the skin even though it looked sharp and was a 27g.
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bros ha yeah i was scared. had to look around scared they were watching me check the mail. you know they want to bust a BBC so bad
 
Nezz4488 said:
Touchdown! Kind of...
Lol. Just got my BPC-157/TB500 in the mail and noticed a little rip in the package. Opened and noticed a white powder. Then that's when I saw one of the visits must have busted in transit. It's okay though, they were free (😁👌). But damnit USPS! Lol.
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@Nezz4488 man that sucks but like you said at least they were free. USPS isn’t easy on their packages
 
Nezz4488 said:
Also, where do y'all get your syringes and stuff from? I ordered a pack of the leur lock tips off Amazon (the ones that say for laboratory use) and had one that wouldn't even break the skin even though it looked sharp and was a 27g.
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I get mine from pharmacy legit style, you can't get from amazon? @Nezz4488 you said those not good?
 
Nezz4488 said:
I just ordered some bacteriostatic water off Amazon. It's arriving today. But I was wondering about the dosage/calculations for when adding to the bpc/tb. I brought up a peptide calculator and it asks me about the peptide vial quantity. Would I put it at 5mg or 10mg since it's bpc-157 5mg and TB500 5mg combined?

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which peptides did you get ?
 
Nezz4488 said:
Touchdown! Kind of...
Lol. Just got my BPC-157/TB500 in the mail and noticed a little rip in the package. Opened and noticed a white powder. Then that's when I saw one of the visits must have busted in transit. It's okay though, they were free (😁👌). But damnit USPS! Lol.
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@Nezz4488 damn thats annoying! Hopefully can get some replacements!
 
LevButlerov said:
I get mine from pharmacy legit style, you can't get from amazon? @Nezz4488 you said those not good?
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Well one of the tips wasn't any good. Plus they were all crooked, lol. Seems like shotty quality standards for something that supposed to be 'lab/pharmaceutical grade'. I'm gonna try this local pharmacy tomorrow but I know they're pretty expensive.

LevButlerov said:
which peptides did you get ?
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I got the one from Dragon Pharma listed here: https://www.napsgear.org/tb-500-5mg-bpc-157-5mg-p36380
 
Nezz4488 said:
It was only $8. I just kept it. But I got a reply from Napsgear today and they're replacing it. 😊
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thats awesome :D good on napsgear
 
Heyy, I was reading @stevesmi write up on getting bloodwork done because I'm right at a month in on my cycle. Would now be the optimal time for first bloodwork? Because I know the EQ takes a while to stabilize in blood. Also, I found the Bodybuilder Hormone Test. Should I add any other tests into the panel to be safe or will the standard panel suffice?
 
Nezz4488 said:
Heyy, I was reading @stevesmi write up on getting bloodwork done because I'm right at a month in on my cycle. Would now be the optimal time for first bloodwork? Because I know the EQ takes a while to stabilize in blood. Also, I found the Bodybuilder Hormone Test. Should I add any other tests into the panel to be safe or will the standard panel suffice?
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I would get a full hormone test, and you can test now just to see where you're at, if you have the budget go for it @Nezz4488
 
LevButlerov said:
I would get a full hormone test, and you can test now just to see where you're at, if you have the budget go for it @Nezz4488
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This is the one that Steve recommended in his write up. Would this be okay? I started to look for other hormone tests but there are soooooo many.
And as far as money goes, well, can't put a price on your health(unless you're the US Healthcare system). Lol. Overall I feel great but that doesn't mean shit I'm sure. I just want to make sure I get this cycle done the right way and make adjustments where needed.
 
Nezz4488 said:
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This is the one that Steve recommended in his write up. Would this be okay? I started to look for other hormone tests but there are soooooo many.
And as far as money goes, well, can't put a price on your health(unless you're the US Healthcare system). Lol. Overall I feel great but that doesn't mean shit I'm sure. I just want to make sure I get this cycle done the right way and make adjustments where needed.
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Get all hormones testosterone, estrogen shbg lh prolactin fsh :D do you have the budget?
 
LevButlerov said:
Get all hormones testosterone, estrogen shbg lh prolactin fsh :D do you have the budget?
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Okk, gotcha. And I will make the budget just to be safe. But for the $270 the test costs I want to make sure everything is stable in my blood first. I was reading that eq takes around 6 weeks to stabilize in the blood so I was thinking wait about another 2 weeks then get them done. What do you think Lev? (and sorry for the millions of questions) 😄
 
Nezz4488 said:
Okk, gotcha. And I will make the budget just to be safe. But for the $270 the test costs I want to make sure everything is stable in my blood first. I was reading that eq takes around 6 weeks to stabilize in the blood so I was thinking wait about another 2 weeks then get them done. What do you think Lev? (and sorry for the millions of questions) 😄
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sure lets wait another 1-2 weeks no issues :D thats fair
and no problem with questions, why would you be in the EVO family if no one helped right? :D @Nezz4488
always here to support my EVO brothers!
 
Nezz4488 said:
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I figured I would upload a month-in progress pic to keep the log up to date. I tried to pose the same as in my profile Pic for comparison.
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@Nezz4488 You've got a solid, lean physique to work with. It's going to be a lot easier for you. I say this a lot, but I'd much rather you be in your situation than be overweight.
 
Nezz4488 said:
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I figured I would upload a month-in progress pic to keep the log up to date. I tried to pose the same as in my profile Pic for comparison.
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I feel like if you put on about 10 lbs of lean quality muscle mass you would look absolutely jacked. Your arms also look phenomenal. And you've got some good potential up in your upper body. In your chest. @Nezz4488
 
Nezz4488 said:
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I figured I would upload a month-in progress pic to keep the log up to date. I tried to pose the same as in my profile Pic for comparison.
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@Nezz4488 You're doing a great job on this, man. I'm glad that you're posing the same way to compare for pig. Also, make sure you take it the same part of the day. Usually when you wake up and go to the bathroom, take it after.
 
Nezz4488 said:
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bros You got a very lean physique. I like the base you got to work with. It's coming along. If you put on 5 or 10 lean muscle, you will absolutely rip. @Nezz4488
 
Thanks everybody! Nothing better for motivation than to know you're on the right track. 😁
stevesmi said:
@Nezz4488 You've got a solid, lean physique to work with. It's going to be a lot easier for you. I say this a lot, but I'd much rather you be in your situation than be overweight.
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Oh most definitely! I actually started out at a fatass about a year and a half ago. Dieted all the way down to 170 and now sitting at 190.
 
2Thick said:
I feel like if you put on about 10 lbs of lean quality muscle mass you would look absolutely jacked. Your arms also look phenomenal. And you've got some good potential up in your upper body. In your chest. @Nezz4488
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Ty! Arms are one of my things I was laser focused on in the beginning but now I feel my chest is lacking. I'm trying to focus on chest more often now to try and keep these proportionally even? If that's the right phrase. Lol.
ROIDDERS said:
@Nezz4488 You're doing a great job on this, man. I'm glad that you're posing the same way to compare for pig. Also, make sure you take it the same part of the day. Usually when you wake up and go to the bathroom, take it after.
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I didn't think about the times but I'll keep that in mind next time for sure
ceo said:
bros You got a very lean physique. I like the base you got to work with. It's coming along. If you put on 5 or 10 lean muscle, you will absolutely rip. @Nezz4488
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Oh that's definitely the goal 😁
 
Nezz4488 said:
Thanks everybody! Nothing better for motivation than to know you're on the right track. 😁

Oh most definitely! I actually started out at a fatass about a year and a half ago. Dieted all the way down to 170 and now sitting at 190.
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Wow that is awesome
 
Nezz4488 said:
Ty! Arms are one of my things I was laser focused on in the beginning but now I feel my chest is lacking. I'm trying to focus on chest more often now to try and keep these proportionally even? If that's the right phrase. Lol.

I didn't think about the times but I'll keep that in mind next time for sure

Oh that's definitely the goal 😁
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yeah bodybuilding is an art. Being proportional is actually important.
 
Nezz4488 said:
Ty! Arms are one of my things I was laser focused on in the beginning but now I feel my chest is lacking. I'm trying to focus on chest more often now to try and keep these proportionally even? If that's the right phrase. Lol.

I didn't think about the times but I'll keep that in mind next time for sure

Oh that's definitely the goal 😁
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bros i love it. keep up the grind!
 
Nezz4488 said:
Quick question; is it possible for oil to leak out of the vial? Because I usually just put it in a Rx box and toss it in my dresser drawer. And I just noticed I'm almost out of my first vial...which is not right. Lol. And yes, I %100 am dosing correctly.
But has this happened to anybody? Vials possibly leaking
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Yes it can happen if the rubber stopper or crimp seal isn’t tight or if air pressure changes from storage or travel. Check for oil residue around the cap or stopper, that’s a sign it’s seeping out slowly. @Nezz4488

Keep your vial upright in a cool dry place and don’t leave pins stuck in it between draws, that’s the most common reason they leak.
 
LevButlerov said:
Yes it can happen if the rubber stopper or crimp seal isn’t tight or if air pressure changes from storage or travel. Check for oil residue around the cap or stopper, that’s a sign it’s seeping out slowly. @Nezz4488

Keep your vial upright in a cool dry place and don’t leave pins stuck in it between draws, that’s the most common reason they leak.
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Okk, gotcha. Yup I think that's what it was. Ya live, ya learn. 🤷 Thanks @LevButlerov!
 
Nezz4488 said:
Heyy, so I am getting my labs done. Since I pin Tuesday and Friday I was trying to get an appointment on Thursday but they only had Friday. Think that would be okay or...?
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that would be ok :D
 
Nezz4488 said:
Will do! Just got my bloods done this morning and will be hearing back soon! I'll post up the results as soon as I got em. 👍
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waiting on results :D
 
Nezz4488 said:
Final results...finally. Lol
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your e2 is too low @Nezz4488 that is likely the joint sides
which phase are you on now? and what are you using confirm please
Nezz4488 said:
Baseline (current TRT Phase)

Testosterone Enanthate/Cypionate: 180 mg/week (split Tues & Fri)
Enclomiphene: 25 mg M/W/F
Anastrazole: .5mg Thurs

Enhanced Phase (Weeks 1–12)

Testosterone Cypionate: 300–400mg/week (split 2x)
Primobolan Enanthate: 400mg/week (split 2x)

Anastrazole: paused (use only if needed)
Enclomiphene: paused

Bloodwork: weeks 3, 7, and 12?(maybe?) into cycle
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Nezz4488 said:
I have been noticing joint stiffness/aching(in the arms mainly). Also, I've noticed libido is not as strong as last month. I'm guessing from the low E2. What would be the best remedy for this? 🤔
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@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman
 
Nezz4488 said:
I have been noticing joint stiffness/aching(in the arms mainly). Also, I've noticed libido is not as strong as last month. I'm guessing from the low E2. What would be the best remedy for this? 🤔
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E2 is crushed bro , short acting test could be an option? @Noah Wixx used low dose npp and it helped.

What is your current cycle and how much AI are you using
 
Nezz4488 said:
I have been noticing joint stiffness/aching(in the arms mainly). Also, I've noticed libido is not as strong as last month. I'm guessing from the low E2. What would be the best remedy for this? 🤔
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LevButlerov said:
your e2 is too low @Nezz4488 that is likely the joint sides
which phase are you on now? and what are you using confirm please





@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman
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E2 is nuked... how come you were running arimidex at 180mg test bro? Your free test isnt huge, where was your e2 before using an ai?
 
Thanks for all the quick replies! And those are the things I was on when I was still going to the trt clinic. Ever since I started my cycle I've been running only test and eq at 300mg/wk on pinning Tuesday & Friday. Other than that I'm just taking the 10mg creatine everyday. I wanted to see what my exact levels were with only the test and eq before I started adding anything else to the mix. Hope this was okay? Also, I'm running test cyp right now.
Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated!
 
Nezz4488 said:
Thanks for all the quick replies! And those are the things I was on when I was still going to the trt clinic. Ever since I started my cycle I've been running only test and eq at 300mg/wk on pinning Tuesday & Friday. Other than that I'm just taking the 10mg creatine everyday. I wanted to see what my exact levels were with only the test and eq before I started adding anything else to the mix. Hope this was okay? Also, I'm running test cyp right now.
Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated!
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How Much testosterone a week?
 
Nezz4488 said:
Thanks for all the quick replies! And those are the things I was on when I was still going to the trt clinic. Ever since I started my cycle I've been running only test and eq at 300mg/wk on pinning Tuesday & Friday. Other than that I'm just taking the 10mg creatine everyday. I wanted to see what my exact levels were with only the test and eq before I started adding anything else to the mix. Hope this was okay? Also, I'm running test cyp right now.
Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated!
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are you sure you have your eq dose right, you mean you are doing 300mgs test and 300mgs eq or more EQ? can you check your eq dosing please @Nezz4488
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Oh yea, I thought I'd mention, I'm not taking any AI and haven't been since I started my actual cycle. Only test and eq. (just for clarification)
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interesting
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I forgot to upload a progress photo at the end of November so here's one for the log.

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you look good lean :D
 
LevButlerov said:
are you sure you have your eq dose right, you mean you are doing 300mgs test and 300mgs eq or more EQ? can you check your eq dosing please @Nezz4488

interesting

you look good lean :D
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Equipoise: 300mg/week dosed every Tuesday and Friday
Testosterone: 300mg/week dosed every Tuesday and Friday
Both are pinned at the same time.
This is my exact dosages and schedule of dosing every week.
 
Nezz4488 said:
Equipoise: 300mg/week dosed every Tuesday and Friday
Testosterone: 300mg/week dosed every Tuesday and Friday
Both are pinned at the same time.
This is my exact dosages and schedule of dosing every week.
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300mgs of eq is too much with 300mgs test, 2:1 test to eq, drop EQ to 150 and see how you feel @Nezz4488
 
Hey! Quick question: I reduced my EQ by half but I was thinking of temporarily increasing the testosterone dosage to help raise my E2 faster. Since reducing the eq alone will take longer. I was planning on getting just the E2 test in about 6 weeks to get an idea of where the levels are. But I was thinking maybe a %20 dosage increase? Thoughts?
 
Nezz4488 said:
Hey! Quick question: I reduced my EQ by half but I was thinking of temporarily increasing the testosterone dosage to help raise my E2 faster. Since reducing the eq alone will take longer. I was planning on getting just the E2 test in about 6 weeks to get an idea of where the levels are. But I was thinking maybe a %20 dosage increase? Thoughts?
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You can do your e2 test in 4 weeks @Nezz4488 not 6 and how much test you want to add in mgs?
 
A little update. End of cycle, going back to TRT dosing for now. Will get bloods here in a couple weeks to make sure everything is good.
Here's my latest photo of what I look like now. I did have a tough time keeping up with the 3200calorie intake but I did meet my protein goals. I'm pretty much sitting around 200lbs steady. Maybe I can lean up some more by summertime?
 
Nezz4488 said:
A little update. End of cycle, going back to TRT dosing for now. Will get bloods here in a couple weeks to make sure everything is good.
Here's my latest photo of what I look like now. I did have a tough time keeping up with the 3200calorie intake but I did meet my protein goals. I'm pretty much sitting around 200lbs steady. Maybe I can lean up some more by summertime?
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The Pic didn't attach above so I had to put it here. 🤷
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wow huge changes before after :D @Nezz4488 but not much log updates in 2 months so hard to say

what is your plan now?
 
LevButlerov said:
wow huge changes before after :D @Nezz4488 but not much log updates in 2 months so hard to say

what is your plan now?
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I know. I meant to stay updated more often but once I dropped the eq dosage nothing much changed. I just recently got back to feeling good again. I think I could have gained more but I've always had a hard time putting food down. I actually had to drink a thing of Fairlife milk every day to help with macros. But, it's a learning process I suppose.
My plan for now will be to drop back to my trt level dosing with test for about 4-5 months to let everything normalize(?). TRT is at 180mg/week.
 
stevesmi said:
@Nezz4488 very impressive before and after, man. You look like a completely different person, from a boy to a man. Keep it up.
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Thanks! I feel like I could have grown more but I guess that mindset comes with the territory: always wanting more. Lol. I can't wait to see my progress in another 8 months. 😁
 
Mobster said:
Just a tip for the future - include starting and end dates
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I should have included this, sorry. Start date was basically Oct 1st, end date was Feb 3rd. So about 4 months. I read online some people push their eq cycles a little longer but I was having problems with it crushing my E2 so I went ahead and ended it. Already feeling better to be honest.
 
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