Blood Work Pre Cycle Bloods

[Dreamer]

Alright, bloods are in, I am still waiting for Apo A1 and B and a Cystatin C, but they take about a week or two.

Firstly - seems Masteron fucks my lipids pretty bad - I am a little concerned but have also dropped Red Yeast Rice, Physillium Husk, Pantethine, Berberine, halved my Citrus Bergamot and dropped plant sterols and Niacin - thinking if I add these back in - this should come in range again on cycle.

Liver numbers and Neutrophils - I had a copper deficiency pretty bad from taking a high dose zinc for 3 months restoring fertility, I am supping copper but takes weeks/months to restore properly, I also trained quite heavy the day before bloods.

IGF1 seems low on 2iu daily?

I take like 15g creatine a day and train heavy - not worried about egfr

Dhea low is this a worry?

and the big one - E2, what should I do? so for context I took .25 Adex nearly daily for a week, felt terrible, this blood test was 3 days off arimidex, currently I am having quite alot of symptoms, but I am scared to crash it - I have aromasin on hand and arimidex, but each time I use adex I seem to struggle.

All in all, for 8-9 weeks on 200ish test and 300 mast, how do my bloods look for the next 12 or so on my planned cycle? obviously will be adding a ton of fibre to my lean bulk diet and adding back in all of my supps and upping the doses.

 

[US-pharmacies]

Hello,
Nice post. I don’t see your lipid panel in the attachments — I’m curious how it looks after 300 mg of Masteron and Arimidex.
I have to say I’m surprised that at a dose of 300 mg Masteron and 200 mg testosterone your E2 was still elevated and you needed to add anastrozole. Let me know, I’m curious.

As for the lipid panel and HDL — for me the best results come from pure MCT oil C10, 20 ml with a meal. It works great because MCT doesn’t stimulate insulin due to the lack of saturated fats. Although I often add a teaspoon of butter to my coffee before training I recommend it — it works well and you don’t need a pre-workout

Did you supplement a lot of zinc? Copper is stored in the liver, so it doesn’t need to be taken every day. I’m curious how much zinc you were taking that it depleted your copper levels, and what symptoms of copper deficiency you had, since the blood count isn’t included.

Elevated creatinine and liver enzymes, including bilirubin, after heavy training are normal — but it’s great that you mention it and educate others; it’s nice to read.

Regarding IGF — when you used Masteron and anastrozole, IGF can’t really form properly because without E2 it won’t be activated, so I’m curious what your E2 levels looked like during that whole time. Although the previous results for 2 IU weren’t that bad

What you wrote about creatine and kidney function (eGFR) is interesting. Sorry, but here I don’t fully agree — creatine is great for ATP, oxygen absorption in the cell, and hydration, but too much over a long period will still put some load on the kidneys. It’s not extreme, but creatine is processed there, and I’m talking about excess and duration — I want to emphasize that Because creatine is an excellent and underrated supplement and everyone can use it You just need to stay properly hydrated while taking it, and ideally use it in cycles — but that’s just my opinion.

DHEA will always be lower when using HGH, because HGH affects the adrenal cortex and burdens it, and DHEA is produced there. I often use 1000 mg of chasteberry in the morning with HGH, plus adaptogens to calm the system — reishi, L-theanine, L-tryptophan work very well.

Sorry if I sounded like I was lecturing, but I liked your post and the way you explain things — it’s a great source of knowledge for people following the forum.
Regards.

 

[LevButlerov]

Alright, bloods are in, I am still waiting for Apo A1 and B and a Cystatin C, but they take about a week or two.

Firstly - seems Masteron fucks my lipids pretty bad - I am a little concerned but have also dropped Red Yeast Rice, Physillium Husk, Pantethine, Berberine, halved my Citrus Bergamot and dropped plant sterols and Niacin - thinking if I add these back in - this should come in range again on cycle.

Liver numbers and Neutrophils - I had a copper deficiency pretty bad from taking a high dose zinc for 3 months restoring fertility, I am supping copper but takes weeks/months to restore properly, I also trained quite heavy the day before bloods.

IGF1 seems low on 2iu daily?

I take like 15g creatine a day and train heavy - not worried about egfr

Dhea low is this a worry?

and the big one - E2, what should I do? so for context I took .25 Adex nearly daily for a week, felt terrible, this blood test was 3 days off arimidex, currently I am having quite alot of symptoms, but I am scared to crash it - I have aromasin on hand and arimidex, but each time I use adex I seem to struggle.

All in all, for 8-9 weeks on 200ish test and 300 mast, how do my bloods look for the next 12 or so on my planned cycle? obviously will be adding a ton of fibre to my lean bulk diet and adding back in all of my supps and upping the doses.

We discussed this in the other thread I'm sorry I missed this. @Dreamer

I think your igf is fine and dhea will go up as we get deper into the cycle

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[Mobster]

No one needs 15g creatine a day.More son on a high protein diet.

 

[Dreamer]

No one needs 15g creatine a day.More son on a high protein diet.

I have cut it down to 5g, will see how that changes bloods.

 

[stevesmi]

I have cut it down to 5g, will see how that changes bloods.

Yeah. I'm curious to see what happens after that.

 

[Ulter]

I have cut it down to 5g, will see how that changes bloods.

I'm sure you'll be fine. Creatine is just a natural supplement. It's not that dangerous for you like people think.

 

[ceo]

Alright, bloods are in, I am still waiting for Apo A1 and B and a Cystatin C, but they take about a week or two.

Firstly - seems Masteron fucks my lipids pretty bad - I am a little concerned but have also dropped Red Yeast Rice, Physillium Husk, Pantethine, Berberine, halved my Citrus Bergamot and dropped plant sterols and Niacin - thinking if I add these back in - this should come in range again on cycle.

Liver numbers and Neutrophils - I had a copper deficiency pretty bad from taking a high dose zinc for 3 months restoring fertility, I am supping copper but takes weeks/months to restore properly, I also trained quite heavy the day before bloods.

IGF1 seems low on 2iu daily?

I take like 15g creatine a day and train heavy - not worried about egfr

Dhea low is this a worry?

and the big one - E2, what should I do? so for context I took .25 Adex nearly daily for a week, felt terrible, this blood test was 3 days off arimidex, currently I am having quite alot of symptoms, but I am scared to crash it - I have aromasin on hand and arimidex, but each time I use adex I seem to struggle.

All in all, for 8-9 weeks on 200ish test and 300 mast, how do my bloods look for the next 12 or so on my planned cycle? obviously will be adding a ton of fibre to my lean bulk diet and adding back in all of my supps and upping the doses.

bros not sure on igf1. i seen numbres all over the place @Dreamer sometimes its hard to get accurate # just gotta trust your source

 

[US-pharmacies]

I have cut it down to 5g, will see how that changes bloods.

I doubt it will change much here, but take a day off training before the blood test, and 5 g will be enough for ATP building for workouts

bros not sure on igf1. i seen numbres all over the place @Dreamer sometimes its hard to get accurate # just gotta trust your source

That’s also true. Nowadays you need certainty, because instead of real HGH you can end up getting Fragment. That’s why it’s worth asking your source whether they have dimer testing for HGH — that’s undeniable proof

 

[2Thick]

Alright, bloods are in, I am still waiting for Apo A1 and B and a Cystatin C, but they take about a week or two.

Firstly - seems Masteron fucks my lipids pretty bad - I am a little concerned but have also dropped Red Yeast Rice, Physillium Husk, Pantethine, Berberine, halved my Citrus Bergamot and dropped plant sterols and Niacin - thinking if I add these back in - this should come in range again on cycle.

Liver numbers and Neutrophils - I had a copper deficiency pretty bad from taking a high dose zinc for 3 months restoring fertility, I am supping copper but takes weeks/months to restore properly, I also trained quite heavy the day before bloods.

IGF1 seems low on 2iu daily?

I take like 15g creatine a day and train heavy - not worried about egfr

Dhea low is this a worry?

and the big one - E2, what should I do? so for context I took .25 Adex nearly daily for a week, felt terrible, this blood test was 3 days off arimidex, currently I am having quite alot of symptoms, but I am scared to crash it - I have aromasin on hand and arimidex, but each time I use adex I seem to struggle.

All in all, for 8-9 weeks on 200ish test and 300 mast, how do my bloods look for the next 12 or so on my planned cycle? obviously will be adding a ton of fibre to my lean bulk diet and adding back in all of my supps and upping the doses.

glad you posted this. a great learning experience for all. and your log is a great reference too

 

[ceo]

That’s also true. Nowadays you need certainty, because instead of real HGH you can end up getting Fragment. That’s why it’s worth asking your source whether they have dimer testing for HGH — that’s undeniable proof

bros you smart guy

 

[teeganJohn]

Yeah man, bloodwork is always a rollercoaster! That E2 thing is a real head-scratcher, isn't it? I've been there, chasing the right dose of Adex is like trying to catch smoke. Maybe Aromasin is the way to go if Adex keeps messing with you. As for the IGF1, I wouldn't sweat it too much if you're feeling good and seeing results . Everyone's different, and like CEO said, those numbers can be all over the place . Just listen to your body and adjust as you go!

 

[ballin2504]

I’m interested to see how it plays out dropping the creatine back down.

 

[Noah Wixx]

Alright, bloods are in, I am still waiting for Apo A1 and B and a Cystatin C, but they take about a week or two.

Firstly - seems Masteron fucks my lipids pretty bad - I am a little concerned but have also dropped Red Yeast Rice, Physillium Husk, Pantethine, Berberine, halved my Citrus Bergamot and dropped plant sterols and Niacin - thinking if I add these back in - this should come in range again on cycle.

Liver numbers and Neutrophils - I had a copper deficiency pretty bad from taking a high dose zinc for 3 months restoring fertility, I am supping copper but takes weeks/months to restore properly, I also trained quite heavy the day before bloods.

IGF1 seems low on 2iu daily?

I take like 15g creatine a day and train heavy - not worried about egfr

Dhea low is this a worry?

and the big one - E2, what should I do? so for context I took .25 Adex nearly daily for a week, felt terrible, this blood test was 3 days off arimidex, currently I am having quite alot of symptoms, but I am scared to crash it - I have aromasin on hand and arimidex, but each time I use adex I seem to struggle.

All in all, for 8-9 weeks on 200ish test and 300 mast, how do my bloods look for the next 12 or so on my planned cycle? obviously will be adding a ton of fibre to my lean bulk diet and adding back in all of my supps and upping the doses.

Mast crushed my e2 lol

 

[US-pharmacies]

bros you smart guy

Thank you for the kind words.

Yeah man, bloodwork is always a rollercoaster! That E2 thing is a real head-scratcher, isn't it? I've been there, chasing the right dose of Adex is like trying to catch smoke. Maybe Aromasin is the way to go if Adex keeps messing with you. As for the IGF1, I wouldn't sweat it too much if you're feeling good and seeing results . Everyone's different, and like CEO said, those numbers can be all over the place . Just listen to your body and adjust as you go!

Yeah, dealing with E2 isn’t easy, but it’s an important aspect. What’s important is not to let it go too low, because that does more harm And I agree with you—numbers are just numbers, everyone is different. Some feel E2 effects already at 50, while others at 70–80. Many indirect factors influence it, but if you feel good and don’t have too many side effects, you can relax a bit—that’s just my opinion, of course

 

[US-pharmacies]

I’m interested to see how it plays out dropping the creatine back down.

To be honest, I’m curious too. There’s a huge amount of research on this substance. It started out being considered harmful, and now it’s seen as one of the best supplements for ATP production. I’ve worked a lot with it myself, and it really gets results.

However, for many people, it can strain the kidneys, even though studies show it doesn’t—so who knows I also think that lifestyle, training, and recovery play a big role. The dose should be chosen with that in mind.

Best regards.

 

[Dreamer]

To be honest, I’m curious too. There’s a huge amount of research on this substance. It started out being considered harmful, and now it’s seen as one of the best supplements for ATP production. I’ve worked a lot with it myself, and it really gets results.

However, for many people, it can strain the kidneys, even though studies show it doesn’t—so who knows I also think that lifestyle, training, and recovery play a big role. The dose should be chosen with that in mind.

Best regards.

I have been using 5g pre training now since starting this cycle, will be doing bloods again at week 4, so we will see.

The IGF1 I am starting to think is perhaps from lower than ideal carb intake - will test this again too.

And finally - e2 continues to cause me issues, you would think that 300mg of bold ace would tank it, I seem to be aromatising heavily, two doses of 12.5mg of aromasin in a EOD protocol have helped but not fixed alot of the symptoms - I want to run LCMS for e2 but it takes about 3 weeks to come back in my location

 

[ceo]

Thank you for the kind words.

bros i love to dish out the EVO love

 

[Pigsy]

Thanks for sharing you bloodwork, will be interesting the follow up.one

 

[US-pharmacies]

I have been using 5g pre training now since starting this cycle, will be doing bloods again at week 4, so we will see.

The IGF1 I am starting to think is perhaps from lower than ideal carb intake - will test this again too.

And finally - e2 continues to cause me issues, you would think that 300mg of bold ace would tank it, I seem to be aromatising heavily, two doses of 12.5mg of aromasin in a EOD protocol have helped but not fixed alot of the symptoms - I want to run LCMS for e2 but it takes about 3 weeks to come back in my location

You know, remember one thing — the symptoms of low E2 are very similar to those of high E2, and they can even be amplified when E2 is low

EQ has a strong impact on E2, and if you’re also using Aromasin, your E2 and HDL might be low. Without sufficient HDL, IGF won’t function properly.

But of course, you can only know for sure after the blood tests.

Best regards

 

[LevButlerov]

You know, remember one thing — the symptoms of low E2 are very similar to those of high E2, and they can even be amplified when E2 is low

EQ has a strong impact on E2, and if you’re also using Aromasin, your E2 and HDL might be low. Without sufficient HDL, IGF won’t function properly.

But of course, you can only know for sure after the blood tests.

Best regards

Yes I found low e2 is worse than high e2 in many cases with clients @US-pharmacies

 

[US-pharmacies]

Yes I found low e2 is worse than high e2 in many cases with clients @US-pharmacies

That’s why it’s so important to keep it at the proper level, which we can achieve by doing tests

 

[LevButlerov]

That’s why it’s so important to keep it at the proper level, which we can achieve by doing tests

for sure, have to keep it in control @US-pharmacies