Ditching trt clinic and looking to go on my own

[Kevdawg]

Hey guys! I am new here and apologize if i am writing in the wrong forum topic. I have been on trt for just about over a year. I am currently prescribed at 150mg a week of test cyp. However, my clinic will not go beyond that. I have felt some increased energy, still libido hasn’t changed as it is still low. I am looking to ditch my clinic and go up to 200mg a week. I should also mention that i started at 100mg then upwards to 150mg with gradual increases in between. Once i am on my own my starting point at 200mg, i plan on increasing after my first set of blood work with increments of 10 or 20mgs. Any suggestions? Forgot to mention that i am on pregnyl 10000iu’s at 100mg a week. I know once i ditch my clinic i won’t be prescribed test and pregnyl. I also need help with hcg and how to dose. I only find hcg 5000iu’s. Any suggestions? Sorry if my english if bad or any errors in my spelling, english is not my first language.

 

[jenkemj]

Hey Kev

What country are you from?
Great article and podcast here about boosting libido and erections.
https://www.evolutionary.org/evolut...ut-supplements-to-boost-libido-and-erections/

Have you had your bloods taken recently? estrogen levels being too high or too low can affect libido pretty drastically. If you got your hormone markers checked i'm sure lots of people on the forum would be able to give you great pointers on what to do next

 

[Kevdawg]

Hey Kev

What country are you from?
Great article and podcast here about boosting libido and erections.
https://www.evolutionary.org/evolut...ut-supplements-to-boost-libido-and-erections/

Have you had your bloods taken recently? estrogen levels being too high or too low can affect libido pretty drastically. If you got your hormone markers checked i'm sure lots of people on the forum would be able to give you great pointers on what to do next

Hey! Sorry i forgot to mention that i am in Canada. I have attached my last labs this this reply. I will definitely listen to that podcast!

 

[jenkemj]

These guys are from Canada bro @Shakey @HarleyGuy. I'm sure they can help push in the right direction for where to buy as well if you're keen. Bloods look good, estrogen is pretty low though that could be a contributing factor. @HarleyGuy thoughts?

 

[Shakey]

Hey guys! I am new here and apologize if i am writing in the wrong forum topic. I have been on trt for just about over a year. I am currently prescribed at 150mg a week of test cyp. However, my clinic will not go beyond that. I have felt some increased energy, still libido hasn’t changed as it is still low. I am looking to ditch my clinic and go up to 200mg a week. I should also mention that i started at 100mg then upwards to 150mg with gradual increases in between. Once i am on my own my starting point at 200mg, i plan on increasing after my first set of blood work with increments of 10 or 20mgs. Any suggestions? Forgot to mention that i am on pregnyl 10000iu’s at 100mg a week. I know once i ditch my clinic i won’t be prescribed test and pregnyl. I also need help with hcg and how to dose. I only find hcg 5000iu’s. Any suggestions? Sorry if my english if bad or any errors in my spelling, english is not my first language.

Welcome to EVO bro. Always nice to see more bros from canada. Ive actually just started at 150mg weekly until i go on cycle. 200mg+ is considered TRT+. Do you have a physique goal or are planning to cycle in the future?

Most common doses increases i believe are 25mg and 50mg, with fine tuning tuning being 10-40mg increases. Im not an expert but depending on how your bloods look at 200mg, i think a 20mg increase would do you fine if your looking to stay TRT+.

As for your pregnyl dose, thats probably an error as 10000iu of pregnyl = 0.77mg HCG. Common doses range from 500iu to 1000iu HCG weekly usually split into 2-3 injections. Such as 250iu x2 or x3 weekly or 500iu x2 weekly.

@HarleyGuy and @LevButlerov can give you better advice on hormones and dosing for HCG.

As for purchasing HCG, 3 of the 4 approved canadian sources have HCG but mostly 5000iu's. Syn does have Pregnyl 10000iu, but @biogenix with his 5000iu's are the best price and hes great to deal with.

And no worries bout the english bro.

 

[Mobster]

You labs look fine. I wonder what else is at play

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hey! Sorry i forgot to mention that i am in Canada. I have attached my last labs this this reply. I will definitely listen to that podcast!

Ok I have a lot to dissect here. No problem let's do this:

But first!! Welcome to EVO @Kevdawg it's amazing to have a new Canadian member on EVO!

I'm gonna say it straight like I do and here is my summation of all of the below: shitcan that clinic, and now. Get on EVO, start a log and order from @biogenix to increase your Test above 150mg outside the prying eyes of your clinic. We will do the rest.

Questions:

• I'm assuming the geniuses at your clinic have you on Pregnyl because you're still in the "may have kids one day" category? You're in your mid 20's-late 30's yes?
• Either way HCG is entirely overkill and unnecessary for someone that is on TRT for life unless and until you're interested in trying for a baby. In that case we have fertility logs on here for guys in your situation and one of the best ones can be found here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-baby-cypher-baby-bottle.105563/#post-1783756 Did they use their bullshit magic "you don't want to shut down your HPTA" to convince you to run HCG as well?
• HCG while on TRT or ramping it up to TRT+ above 200mg is like injecting estrogen from a vial and that's about all it's good for in this context. Shitcan the HCG. You can mitigate the HPTA issue and ball size by running HCGenerate (it works and there's bloodwork here on EVO to show it too). You can order this here: https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/pct/hcgenerate-n2generate/
• What AI (anti-estrogen) are you running alongside all this, if anything? Your e2 is weird (more about this below)
• What started you on TRT in the first place with them?
• Are you a candidate for TRT for life like I am?
• How did you get your bloodwork covered without a 'version code' on your Health Card? LOL, yes I notice everything

Your Canadian bloods Testosterone levels with ranges: (different ranges than US/Aussie/UK - I've attached my own from last August to show context of Canadian ranges):

• For context to our US/Aussie/UK members Canadian bloods are a bit wacky and are measured in nmol/L in almost all of Canada, the typical total testosterone range for adult men is 5.2-23.7 nmol/L (roughly 250–836 ng/dL for you US folk). You @Kevdawg are at 38.8 and therefore are above the highest range considered 'normal'. The highest a lot of labs will test is up to 55 nmol/L and after that they 'give up' and just say Test > 55
• Your test levels are why they won't prescribe you more than 150mgs or they'd be outted for over dosing you clinically but they want their money. Funny how you're out of range clinically yet they will still 'sell' you your Test at that dose (even if it's covered under insurance they still can bill them).
• Having said that your Test levels are great as is your Free Test being at 971 pmol/L (range in Canada is 196-636 pmol/L)

Your Canadian bloods estrogen levels: (reference same pic for Canadian ranges)

• As seen in the pic our e2/estradiol levels (it's very freakin weird your lab calls it "estrogen" because there are 4 types e1-e4 and even the e2, the one that matters, can be tested further for a more accurate reading using LCMS as an ultra sensitive e2 test) is measured in pmol/L and the range here in Canadian labs for your e2 (assuming they didn't just measure ALL estrogen and add it up) is 55-114pmol/L. Your result was 56 so yes it's in range but it's very low. Either you're a freak of nature or....
• Are you taking ANY type of aromatize inhibitor at all? SERMS? AI's? Running any other compounds we don't know about like Equipoise or Masteron or Primobolan? @Mobster wasn't wrong in asking what else is on board other than Testosterone as your bloodwork is a bit weird.
• Your prolactin should be between 3-13 so your prolactin is fine, expectedly

The rest of your bloods are fine.


The plan:

• I really like your plan IF you're the proper age to cycle and I think going above 200mg is fine especially if you're such a low aromatizer and have no AI's on board then you're an anomaly and the sky is the limit so far.
• Dump the clinic
• Dump the HCG and start HCGenerate
• Up your Test levels and we'll get your e2 levels up and mid range as it's almost under and out of range
• I recommend @biogenix and am currently logging for them now as seen in my 2026 log (see my signature at the bottom of any of my posts). You can reach out to Biogenix Pharma here: https://biogenix.is/ or click here: Biogenix Pharma or DM them here on EVO here: @biogenix in a separate DM message. You can also check out their review thread for any other means of contact and their full transparency of testing and compounds here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...genix-pharma-biogenix-is.109030/#post-1964670

Regarding a log:

• I think we'll need to start up a log for you with ongoing bloodwork and get you on TRT+ outside the clinic. This way we can keep an eye on all your bloodwork but also have you learn how to get the full comprehensive bloodwork needed when on TRT or on cycle. You can see an example of what bloodwork is needed way over and above what your clinic did (like SHBG is a no-brainer) here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...what-labs-to-test-on-steroids-and-trt.107781/
  • https://bloodtestscanada.com
  • https://teletest.ca
  • https://www.getmaple.ca/features/lab-work
  • https://ichorhealth.ca
  • https://bio-test.ca
  • https://www.canadahomedoctors.ca/private-blood-testing
• If you're in the Eastern provinces you can get private bloodwork done as pointed out here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/obtaining-bloodwork-eastern-canada.108202/
• Let us know if you're interested in continuing your first post and turning this into your own log to keep this going. I'm happy you seem motivated because you responded with your own bloodwork and we are here to help.
• If interested we can give you a 'how-to' on how to log and in the mean time you check out some of our other EVO brothers' and sisters' logs here:
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
    https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...o-50-years-old-and-transformation-log.108526/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

Canadian members tagged for feedback and any info that may be helpful to them:
@jenkemj @Shakey @BeMe @haldencapital @VerticallyChallenged @XxDennxX @Farmboy @Lonewolf112 @frackz @WolfOfRoidStreet @nattybydesign @moreReps21 @JuiceyBrucey007 @zucchini @leaperfr @MTB

 

[Kevdawg]

These guys are from Canada bro @Shakey @HarleyGuy. I'm sure they can help push in the right direction for where to buy as well if you're keen. Bloods look good, estrogen is pretty low though that could be a contributing factor. @HarleyGuy thoughts?

Thanks bro! Just learning to navigate through site. Appreciate the comment!

 

[Kevdawg]

Welcome to EVO bro. Always nice to see more bros from canada. Ive actually just started at 150mg weekly until i go on cycle. 200mg+ is considered TRT+. Do you have a physique goal or are planning to cycle in the future?

Most common doses increases i believe are 25mg and 50mg, with fine tuning tuning being 10-40mg increases. Im not an expert but depending on how your bloods look at 200mg, i think a 20mg increase would do you fine if your looking to stay TRT+.

As for your pregnyl dose, thats probably an error as 10000iu of pregnyl = 0.77mg HCG. Common doses range from 500iu to 1000iu HCG weekly usually split into 2-3 injections. Such as 250iu x2 or x3 weekly or 500iu x2 weekly.

@HarleyGuy and @LevButlerov can give you better advice on hormones and dosing for HCG.

As for purchasing HCG, 3 of the 4 approved canadian sources have HCG but mostly 5000iu's. Syn does have Pregnyl 10000iu, but @biogenix with his 5000iu's are the best price and hes great to deal with.

And no worries bout the english bro.

Thank you bro! As of right now i am planning to shred some fat and bulk in the future, i may plan on going upwards to 300-350mg for a cycle in the future when i plan on bulking. Thank you for the information bro!

 

[Kevdawg]

Ok I have a lot to dissect here. No problem let's do this:

But first!! Welcome to EVO @Kevdawg it's amazing to have a new Canadian member on EVO!

I'm gonna say it straight like I do and here is my summation of all of the below: shitcan that clinic, and now. Get on EVO, start a log and order from @biogenix to increase your Test above 150mg outside the prying eyes of your clinic. We will do the rest.

Questions:

• I'm assuming the geniuses at your clinic have you on Pregnyl because you're still in the "may have kids one day" category? You're in your mid 20's-late 30's yes?
• Either way HCG is entirely overkill and unnecessary for someone that is on TRT for life unless and until you're interested in trying for a baby. In that case we have fertility logs on here for guys in your situation and one of the best ones can be found here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-baby-cypher-baby-bottle.105563/#post-1783756 Did they use their bullshit magic "you don't want to shut down your HPTA" to convince you to run HCG as well?
• HCG while on TRT or ramping it up to TRT+ above 200mg is like injecting estrogen from a vial and that's about all it's good for in this context. Shitcan the HCG. You can mitigate the HPTA issue and ball size by running HCGenerate (it works and there's bloodwork here on EVO to show it too). You can order this here: https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/pct/hcgenerate-n2generate/
• What AI (anti-estrogen) are you running alongside all this, if anything? Your e2 is weird (more about this below)
• What started you on TRT in the first place with them?
• Are you a candidate for TRT for life like I am?
• How did you get your bloodwork covered without a 'version code' on your Health Card? LOL, yes I notice everything

Your Canadian bloods Testosterone levels with ranges: (different ranges than US/Aussie/UK - I've attached my own from last August to show context of Canadian ranges):

• For context to our US/Aussie/UK members Canadian bloods are a bit wacky and are measured in nmol/L in almost all of Canada, the typical total testosterone range for adult men is 5.2-23.7 nmol/L (roughly 250–836 ng/dL for you US folk). You @Kevdawg are at 38.8 and therefore are above the highest range considered 'normal'. The highest a lot of labs will test is up to 55 nmol/L and after that they 'give up' and just say Test > 55
• Your test levels are why they won't prescribe you more than 150mgs or they'd be outted for over dosing you clinically but they want their money. Funny how you're out of range clinically yet they will still 'sell' you your Test at that dose (even if it's covered under insurance they still can bill them).
• Having said that your Test levels are great as is your Free Test being at 971 pmol/L (range in Canada is 196-636 pmol/L)

Your Canadian bloods estrogen levels: (reference same pic for Canadian ranges)

• As seen in the pic our e2/estradiol levels (it's very freakin weird your lab calls it "estrogen" because there are 4 types e1-e4 and even the e2, the one that matters, can be tested further for a more accurate reading using LCMS as an ultra sensitive e2 test) is measured in pmol/L and the range here in Canadian labs for your e2 (assuming they didn't just measure ALL estrogen and add it up) is 55-114pmol/L. Your result was 56 so yes it's in range but it's very low. Either you're a freak of nature or....
• Are you taking ANY type of aromatize inhibitor at all? SERMS? AI's? Running any other compounds we don't know about like Equipoise or Masteron or Primobolan? @Mobster wasn't wrong in asking what else is on board other than Testosterone as your bloodwork is a bit weird.
• Your prolactin should be between 3-13 so your prolactin is fine, expectedly

The rest of your bloods are fine.


The plan:

• I really like your plan IF you're the proper age to cycle and I think going above 200mg is fine especially if you're such a low aromatizer and have no AI's on board then you're an anomaly and the sky is the limit so far.
• Dump the clinic
• Dump the HCG and start HCGenerate
• Up your Test levels and we'll get your e2 levels up and mid range as it's almost under and out of range
• I recommend @biogenix and am currently logging for them now as seen in my 2026 log (see my signature at the bottom of any of my posts). You can reach out to Biogenix Pharma here: https://biogenix.is/ or click here: Biogenix Pharma or DM them here on EVO here: @biogenix in a separate DM message. You can also check out their review thread for any other means of contact and their full transparency of testing and compounds here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...genix-pharma-biogenix-is.109030/#post-1964670

Regarding a log:

• I think we'll need to start up a log for you with ongoing bloodwork and get you on TRT+ outside the clinic. This way we can keep an eye on all your bloodwork but also have you learn how to get the full comprehensive bloodwork needed when on TRT or on cycle. You can see an example of what bloodwork is needed way over and above what your clinic did (like SHBG is a no-brainer) here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...what-labs-to-test-on-steroids-and-trt.107781/
  • https://bloodtestscanada.com
  • https://teletest.ca
  • https://www.getmaple.ca/features/lab-work
  • https://ichorhealth.ca
  • https://bio-test.ca
  • https://www.canadahomedoctors.ca/private-blood-testing
• If you're in the Eastern provinces you can get private bloodwork done as pointed out here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/obtaining-bloodwork-eastern-canada.108202/
• Let us know if you're interested in continuing your first post and turning this into your own log to keep this going. I'm happy you seem motivated because you responded with your own bloodwork and we are here to help.
• If interested we can give you a 'how-to' on how to log and in the mean time you check out some of our other EVO brothers' and sisters' logs here:
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
    https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...o-50-years-old-and-transformation-log.108526/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
  • https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

Canadian members tagged for feedback and any info that may be helpful to them:
@jenkemj @Shakey @BeMe @haldencapital @VerticallyChallenged @XxDennxX @Farmboy @Lonewolf112 @frackz @WolfOfRoidStreet @nattybydesign @moreReps21 @JuiceyBrucey007 @zucchini @leaperfr

First off, thank you for welcoming me into evo. Second, holy shit! I did not expect this much at all! With all the detail and support!
Ok let me get to my answers here.
I am in my early thirties. I was put on hcg because i was not sure if i was going to try for a baby. My partner is not open for a baby right now and i was afraid that if i am not on it that i was not going to get back to making a baby. Another thing was ball shrinkage.
With the hcgenerate, the site it is taking me. Is that in usd?

At first i was put on AI’s with Anastrozole 1mg. Taking a 1/4 tab (.25mg) twice a week, typically a day after my injections. I stopped taking it about 6 months ago i believe and thought that i should only take if i feel the side affects of high estrogen.

I started trt with them when i researched more about trt. I liked the idea of all the positive with it. I reached out to them and was a candidate for receiving treatment from them as my bloods came back at 371 total.

I am a candidate for trt for life yes. The bloodwork was covered and i am not sure how without a version code to be honest with you. In the requisitions i received from them would stated that ohip was covering it.

My test coming back at higher than the normal but still don’t really feel the positive affects of it. I think my sleep plays a big factor as most time i am getting 4-6 hrs of sleep. Training have been inconsistent lately due to life circumstances. But i am going to get back into it consistently as i already started with 210mg a week. I am now injecting 3x a week at 70mgs on mon, tues and friday. Just to see if i can see a difference compared to injections at 2x a week, which was tues and Friday.

My estrogen was at 60 prior to the 56. I was told by the np that was in the good range. As stated above i was on Anastrozole before but no longer on it. I do see from this site and reddit that other Canadians blood work looks different and more things they are testing compared to mine. By the way i found evo from reddit and thank god i freaking did!

I am not running any other compounds. Just the test cyp and pregnyl 10000. I haven’t been injecting pregnyl for like a month but, have 3 vials sitting at the pharmacy. Test cyp and the anastrozole are the only covered from my work insurance. With that, i am willing to ditch the clinic to go beyond the clinic’s recommendations.

I like the Plan portion. I will go with the plan you placed. I will look into getting the hcgenerate. I pay 100 bucks for my pregnyl at my pharmacy and i don’t see why paying 37 more (if that sale price is usd) for hcgenerate would hurt if i would get the benefits from it.

I am definitely going to put in an order from @biogenix.

With regards to a “log” i am not quite sure what that is but i will look into it. Since i am going to ditch the clinic, i will definitely need help on what to test for on my next set of bloodwork. I was just going to follow my previous requisitions but, based on you post I definitely would want help with my estradiol.

I am interested in continuing my post. I will look further into the logs and see how to do logs. Again thank @HarleyGuy! Bro, this definitely more help that i expected! I am confident that going on my own now with the help from all of you guys who responded to my post. I greatly appreciate you all brothers!

Please ignore any spelling errors, English is not my first language.

 

[Kevdawg]

First off, thank you for welcoming me into evo. Second, holy shit! I did not expect this much at all! With all the detail and support!
Ok let me get to my answers here.
I am in my early thirties. I was put on hcg because i was not sure if i was going to try for a baby. My partner is not open for a baby right now and i was afraid that if i am not on it that i was not going to get back to making a baby. Another thing was ball shrinkage.
With the hcgenerate, the site it is taking me. Is that in usd?

At first i was put on AI’s with Anastrozole 1mg. Taking a 1/4 tab (.25mg) twice a week, typically a day after my injections. I stopped taking it about 6 months ago i believe and thought that i should only take if i feel the side affects of high estrogen.

I started trt with them when i researched more about trt. I liked the idea of all the positive with it. I reached out to them and was a candidate for receiving treatment from them as my bloods came back at 371 total.

I am a candidate for trt for life yes. The bloodwork was covered and i am not sure how without a version code to be honest with you. In the requisitions i received from them would stated that ohip was covering it.

My test coming back at higher than the normal but still don’t really feel the positive affects of it. I think my sleep plays a big factor as most time i am getting 4-6 hrs of sleep. Training have been inconsistent lately due to life circumstances. But i am going to get back into it consistently as i already started with 210mg a week. I am now injecting 3x a week at 70mgs on mon, tues and friday. Just to see if i can see a difference compared to injections at 2x a week, which was tues and Friday.

My estrogen was at 60 prior to the 56. I was told by the np that was in the good range. As stated above i was on Anastrozole before but no longer on it. I do see from this site and reddit that other Canadians blood work looks different and more things they are testing compared to mine. By the way i found evo from reddit and thank god i freaking did!

I am not running any other compounds. Just the test cyp and pregnyl 10000. I haven’t been injecting pregnyl for like a month but, have 3 vials sitting at the pharmacy. Test cyp and the anastrozole are the only covered from my work insurance. With that, i am willing to ditch the clinic to go beyond the clinic’s recommendations.

I like the Plan portion. I will go with the plan you placed. I will look into getting the hcgenerate. I pay 100 bucks for my pregnyl at my pharmacy and i don’t see why paying 37 more (if that sale price is usd) for hcgenerate would hurt if i would get the benefits from it.

I am definitely going to put in an order from @biogenix.

With regards to a “log” i am not quite sure what that is but i will look into it. Since i am going to ditch the clinic, i will definitely need help on what to test for on my next set of bloodwork. I was just going to follow my previous requisitions but, based on you post I definitely would want help with my estradiol.

I am interested in continuing my post. I will look further into the logs and see how to do logs. Again thank @HarleyGuy! Bro, this definitely more help that i expected! I am confident that going on my own now with the help from all of you guys who responded to my post. I greatly appreciate you all brothers!

Please ignore any spelling errors, English is not my first language.

Forgot to mention i am from Ontario. Which place out of all the recommendations is easiest to get my blood work from?

 

[jenkemj]

Thanks bro! Just learning to navigate through site. Appreciate the comment!

No worries bro

 

[Shakey]

Thank you bro! As of right now i am planning to shred some fat and bulk in the future, i may plan on going upwards to 300-350mg for a cycle in the future when i plan on bulking. Thank you for the information bro!

No problem broski. I think we all have those same goals, so theres lots of advice here the bros can throw your way.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey guys! I am new here and apologize if i am writing in the wrong forum topic. I have been on trt for just about over a year. I am currently prescribed at 150mg a week of test cyp. However, my clinic will not go beyond that. I have felt some increased energy, still libido hasn’t changed as it is still low. I am looking to ditch my clinic and go up to 200mg a week. I should also mention that i started at 100mg then upwards to 150mg with gradual increases in between. Once i am on my own my starting point at 200mg, i plan on increasing after my first set of blood work with increments of 10 or 20mgs. Any suggestions? Forgot to mention that i am on pregnyl 10000iu’s at 100mg a week. I know once i ditch my clinic i won’t be prescribed test and pregnyl. I also need help with hcg and how to dose. I only find hcg 5000iu’s. Any suggestions? Sorry if my english if bad or any errors in my spelling, english is not my first language.

First off, thank you for welcoming me into evo. Second, holy shit! I did not expect this much at all! With all the detail and support!
Ok let me get to my answers here.
I am in my early thirties. I was put on hcg because i was not sure if i was going to try for a baby. My partner is not open for a baby right now and i was afraid that if i am not on it that i was not going to get back to making a baby. Another thing was ball shrinkage.
With the hcgenerate, the site it is taking me. Is that in usd?

At first i was put on AI’s with Anastrozole 1mg. Taking a 1/4 tab (.25mg) twice a week, typically a day after my injections. I stopped taking it about 6 months ago i believe and thought that i should only take if i feel the side affects of high estrogen.

I started trt with them when i researched more about trt. I liked the idea of all the positive with it. I reached out to them and was a candidate for receiving treatment from them as my bloods came back at 371 total.

I am a candidate for trt for life yes. The bloodwork was covered and i am not sure how without a version code to be honest with you. In the requisitions i received from them would stated that ohip was covering it.

My test coming back at higher than the normal but still don’t really feel the positive affects of it. I think my sleep plays a big factor as most time i am getting 4-6 hrs of sleep. Training have been inconsistent lately due to life circumstances. But i am going to get back into it consistently as i already started with 210mg a week. I am now injecting 3x a week at 70mgs on mon, tues and friday. Just to see if i can see a difference compared to injections at 2x a week, which was tues and Friday.

My estrogen was at 60 prior to the 56. I was told by the np that was in the good range. As stated above i was on Anastrozole before but no longer on it. I do see from this site and reddit that other Canadians blood work looks different and more things they are testing compared to mine. By the way i found evo from reddit and thank god i freaking did!

I am not running any other compounds. Just the test cyp and pregnyl 10000. I haven’t been injecting pregnyl for like a month but, have 3 vials sitting at the pharmacy. Test cyp and the anastrozole are the only covered from my work insurance. With that, i am willing to ditch the clinic to go beyond the clinic’s recommendations.

I like the Plan portion. I will go with the plan you placed. I will look into getting the hcgenerate. I pay 100 bucks for my pregnyl at my pharmacy and i don’t see why paying 37 more (if that sale price is usd) for hcgenerate would hurt if i would get the benefits from it.

I am definitely going to put in an order from @biogenix.

With regards to a “log” i am not quite sure what that is but i will look into it. Since i am going to ditch the clinic, i will definitely need help on what to test for on my next set of bloodwork. I was just going to follow my previous requisitions but, based on you post I definitely would want help with my estradiol.

I am interested in continuing my post. I will look further into the logs and see how to do logs. Again thank @HarleyGuy! Bro, this definitely more help that i expected! I am confident that going on my own now with the help from all of you guys who responded to my post. I greatly appreciate you all brothers!

Please ignore any spelling errors, English is not my first language.

welcome to the EVO family @Kevdawg happy to have you share here.

The log is easy to start you can just post about your diet training life same you posted here but new thread like this.


Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

 

[Shakey]

Forgot to mention i am from Ontario. Which place out of all the recommendations is easiest to get my blood work from?

Im in Ont as well, just went through teletest.ca for my blood work. They have a steroid/ped panel. $79 for the req, there might be extra charges at life labs depend on ohip and/or your work coverage.

 

[toddthelineman]

I would get that sleep dialed in asap. That will do a lot for you. You’re already above a healthy teenager range for testosterone. Taking more might help, might not.

 

[stevesmi]

a lot of clinics just put you on a ton of shit to make money off of you

you don't need hcg
and you won't need an AI if you are using the right amount of trt

 

[HarleyGuy]

With the hcgenerate, the site it is taking me. Is that in usd?

It is USD yes and worth every penny. I stack N2Guard with HCGenerate all year round, it costs less than all other supplements I'd need to buy combined and way less than I spend on food and steroids. Even my 78 year old Dad takes N2Guard (he doesn't need HCGenerate so much LOL).

My partner is not open for a baby right now and i was afraid that if i am not on it that i was not going to get back to making a baby. Another thing was ball shrinkage.

No need for HCG until you're ready to do the @CypherOCE baby making method as seen here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-baby-cypher-baby-bottle.105563/#post-1783756

bloods came back at 371 total.

Nice and low for TRT I like it! 371 is US blood marker results though, did you mean 12.9 nmol/L? (12.9 is low'ish and the range is 5-33 in Ontario)

i am not sure how without a version code to be honest with you. In the requisitions i received from them would stated that ohip was covering it.

LOL all good they probably looked it up

I think my sleep plays a big factor as most time i am getting 4-6 hrs of sleep.

I get 4-6 hours each night and if I'm lucky 2 hours during the day but usually 1 hour. Introduce high dose creatine at 20g/day and this will help. Having said that don't do what I do and try and get in 6-8 hours.

I am now injecting 3x a week at 70mgs on mon, tues and friday. Just to see if i can see a difference compared to injections at 2x a week, which was tues and Friday.

This is because there actually is a big difference. I'm currently doing ED and when I forget it's at most EOD. (ED=every day, EOD=every other day)

and reddit

Now that you've found EVO believe me stay off reddit (I don't even charge for that advice )

I will look into getting the hcgenerate. I pay 100 bucks for my pregnyl at my pharmacy and i don’t see why paying 37 more (if that sale price is usd) for hcgenerate would hurt if i would get the benefits from it.

Worth every penny. When you're ready to look into getting fertility firing on all cylinders we will help with this further.

I am definitely going to put in an order from @biogenix.

They won't let you down. They are my favourite Canadian source and my favourite EVO approved source.

With regards to a “log” i am not quite sure what that is but i will look into it.

See @LevButlerov's how-to guide above. I call @LevButlerov "The Entity" (off of MI:7 the movie) because he's everywhere and knows all logs). Once you get a log going he will coach you the whole way and every day.

, based on you post I definitely would want help with my estradiol.

And we will bro 100%. Check the bloodwork thread above on what bloods to get taking TRT or on cycle or click here: Easy how-to bloodwork guide

Again thank @HarleyGuy! Bro, this definitely more help that i expected! I am confident that going on my own now with the help from all of you guys who responded to my post. I greatly appreciate you all brothers!

We appreciate you being here bro!

Which place out of all the recommendations is easiest to get my blood work from?

100% if you're a fellow Ontarian then go to teletest as guided here: Ontario Private Bloodwork for TRT and On Cycle

Forgot to mention i am from Ontario.

Hell ya brother! So much for Winterlude this year eh? LOL. Those ice swans melted a bit and then froze again and looked like zombies LOL.


Now let's get that log up brother! Then you can post all the questions and anything about your life you want or need guidance on!
Welcome again!

 

[Mobster]

I think my sleep plays a big factor as most time i am getting 4-6 hrs of sleep. Training have been inconsistent lately due to life circumstances. But i am going to get back into it consistently as i already started with 210mg a week. I am now injecting 3x a week at 70mgs on mon, tues and friday. Just to see if i can see a difference compared to injections at 2x a week, which was tues and Friday.

Make sure you start getting more sleep and fix the training and you'll feel better

 

[2Thick]

Hey guys! I am new here and apologize if i am writing in the wrong forum topic. I have been on trt for just about over a year. I am currently prescribed at 150mg a week of test cyp. However, my clinic will not go beyond that. I have felt some increased energy, still libido hasn’t changed as it is still low. I am looking to ditch my clinic and go up to 200mg a week. I should also mention that i started at 100mg then upwards to 150mg with gradual increases in between. Once i am on my own my starting point at 200mg, i plan on increasing after my first set of blood work with increments of 10 or 20mgs. Any suggestions? Forgot to mention that i am on pregnyl 10000iu’s at 100mg a week. I know once i ditch my clinic i won’t be prescribed test and pregnyl. I also need help with hcg and how to dose. I only find hcg 5000iu’s. Any suggestions? Sorry if my english if bad or any errors in my spelling, english is not my first language.

What you are describing is called self TRT and a lot of people are going this route. It's one of those things that you can do but make sure that you're getting blood work so you can figure out what the best dosing is.

 

[Ulter]

Hey guys! I am new here and apologize if i am writing in the wrong forum topic. I have been on trt for just about over a year. I am currently prescribed at 150mg a week of test cyp. However, my clinic will not go beyond that. I have felt some increased energy, still libido hasn’t changed as it is still low. I am looking to ditch my clinic and go up to 200mg a week. I should also mention that i started at 100mg then upwards to 150mg with gradual increases in between. Once i am on my own my starting point at 200mg, i plan on increasing after my first set of blood work with increments of 10 or 20mgs. Any suggestions? Forgot to mention that i am on pregnyl 10000iu’s at 100mg a week. I know once i ditch my clinic i won’t be prescribed test and pregnyl. I also need help with hcg and how to dose. I only find hcg 5000iu’s. Any suggestions? Sorry if my english if bad or any errors in my spelling, english is not my first language.

A lot of people are going this route and frankly I don't blame you. One of the things I'd suggest for you is just stop using HCG. It's really not needed.

 

[ROIDDERS]

The guys above gave you some great advice. Let us know if there's any other questions you have. I agree with everybody.

 

[ceo]

Bros, it's normal to have lots of opinions when it comes to TRT. The fact is everybody is going to be different and whatever you choose to do doesn't mean it's binding.

 

[ballin2504]

Im in Ont as well, just went through teletest.ca for my blood work. They have a steroid/ped panel. $79 for the req, there might be extra charges at life labs depend on ohip and/or your work coverage.

Looks like shakeys got ya covered

 

[Kevdawg]

welcome to the EVO family @Kevdawg happy to have you share here.

The log is easy to start you can just post about your diet training life same you posted here but new thread like this.


Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

Thanks for the help and info about logs. I will definitely get a log going once i am dialled in! Sorry for the late reply, just been busy with getting back to work! Appreciate the help brother!

 

[Kevdawg]

Im in Ont as well, just went through teletest.ca for my blood work. They have a steroid/ped panel. $79 for the req, there might be extra charges at life labs depend on ohip and/or your work coverage.

Did you get extra charges?

 

[Kevdawg]

I would get that sleep dialed in asap. That will do a lot for you. You’re already above a healthy teenager range for testosterone. Taking more might help, might not.

I’ve been somewhat getting it dialled. Been sleeping for about 7-8 hrs these past two weeks.

 

[Kevdawg]

a lot of clinics just put you on a ton of shit to make money off of you

you don't need hcg
and you won't need an AI if you are using the right amount of trt

I was just worried about my ball shrinkage lol but i looked into hcgenerate!

 

[Shakey]

Did you get extra charges?

So i didnt think ohip would cover my free test, estradiol and shbg, so i cut free test and shbg. Ohip covered total test, and estradiol. So i imagine free t and shbg wouldve been covered, but im not sure. I think @HarleyGuy said he didnt pay for any extras, but im not sure his coverage, i only have ohip.

I did however have to pay for cystatin-c out of pocket. Heres lifelabs 2025 price list. Cystatin-c price is accutate, i remember it was around $60.

 

[Kevdawg]

It is USD yes and worth every penny. I stack N2Guard with HCGenerate all year round, it costs less than all other supplements I'd need to buy combined and way less than I spend on food and steroids. Even my 78 year old Dad takes N2Guard (he doesn't need HCGenerate so much LOL).


No need for HCG until you're ready to do the @CypherOCE baby making method as seen here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-baby-cypher-baby-bottle.105563/#post-1783756

Nice and low for TRT I like it! 371 is US blood marker results though, did you mean 12.9 nmol/L? (12.9 is low'ish and the range is 5-33 in Ontario)


LOL all good they probably looked it up


I get 4-6 hours each night and if I'm lucky 2 hours during the day but usually 1 hour. Introduce high dose creatine at 20g/day and this will help. Having said that don't do what I do and try and get in 6-8 hours.


This is because there actually is a big difference. I'm currently doing ED and when I forget it's at most EOD. (ED=every day, EOD=every other day)


Now that you've found EVO believe me stay off reddit (I don't even charge for that advice )


Worth every penny. When you're ready to look into getting fertility firing on all cylinders we will help with this further.


They won't let you down. They are my favourite Canadian source and my favourite EVO approved source.


See @LevButlerov's how-to guide above. I call @LevButlerov "The Entity" (off of MI:7 the movie) because he's everywhere and knows all logs). Once you get a log going he will coach you the whole way and every day.


And we will bro 100%. Check the bloodwork thread above on what bloods to get taking TRT or on cycle or click here: Easy how-to bloodwork guide


We appreciate you being here bro!


100% if you're a fellow Ontarian then go to teletest as guided here: Ontario Private Bloodwork for TRT and On Cycle


Hell ya brother! So much for Winterlude this year eh? LOL. Those ice swans melted a bit and then froze again and looked like zombies LOL.


Now let's get that log up brother! Then you can post all the questions and anything about your life you want or need guidance on!
Welcome again!

Nice! Haha i like it! I take other supps, maybe ill reply tomorrow of what i take. Just vitamins and stuff.

I’m not worried now about baby making until the time comes. Atleast i know now that i can make one in the future without worrying about shooting blanks forever! LOL

What i posted of my labs are brief. I have a more detailed one i could post tomorrow as well. On the detailed one it shows 38.8 nmol/L
Free test being 871.

I’ve been getting about 7-8hrs of sleep these past two weeks! I will introduce 20g of creatine here, been only on 5g daily and times missing days here and there.

I’ve been injecting EOD mon, tues and wed. 70mls coming in at a total of 210mgs a week! Crazy how i learn little stuff on here such as this ED and EOD. Never knew that they meant and im glad i do now as i am coming closer to speaking that EVO language LOL.

Hell yeaah bro, EVO is on a whole other level compared to reddit! I am glad i found this site when i did! Honestly i did not expect all this help. I personally thought my post would not get any reactions and responses and boy i was wrong!

Ill most likely go for my bloods again in May and thanks for the how to guide for bloodwork.

Again brother! I appreciate you! Especially the others!

Heck yeah about the winterlude! And it has melted again! Loving this warm weather over the cold! LOL

I will definitely post a log once i am dialled in brother!

Sorry for responding so late, i’ve been busy with work and just getting back into my work schedule as i was off for quite some time.

Replied in sequence

 

[Shakey]

I was just worried about my ball shrinkage lol but i looked into hcgenerate!

Arent we all.

 

[Kevdawg]

So i didnt think ohip would cover my free test, estradiol and shbg, so i cut free test and shbg. Ohip covered total test, and estradiol. So i imagine free t and shbg wouldve been covered, but im not sure. I think @HarleyGuy said he didnt pay for any extras, but im not sure his coverage, i only have ohip.

I did however have to pay for cystatin-c out of pocket. Heres lifelabs 2025 price list. Cystatin-c price is accutate, i remember it was around $60.

Nice, i have ohip, im not sure if my work insurance would cover some of them but when its time for my bloods i will know then! Was teletest simple? Such as speaking With the Dr?

 

[Shakey]

I’ve been injecting EOD mon, tues and wed. 70mls coming in at a total of 210mgs a week! Crazy how i learn little stuff on here such as this ED and EOD.

Are you injecting just mon, tues, wed of every week? I assume you mean 0.7ml, whats the concentration of your test. 100mg/ml, 200mg/ml or 250mg/ml?

Nice, i have ohip, im not sure if my work insurance would cover some of them but when its time for my bloods i will know then! Was teletest simple? Such as speaking With the Dr?

Super simple, order test, pay, fill out online intake form, pick additional tests you want(i think that was a section), doctor reviews your info,you get a req when hes done if he has no questions. If he has questions,you make an appt for a secure online chat through the client portal.

I only spoke to him after results because i have madication induced anemia, but he has to attempt tp chat with you if a theres anything out of range on results. To cover his ass, you can state you will follow up with another doctor if you want instead.

 

[Kevdawg]

Are you injecting just mon, tues, wed of every week? I assume you mean 0.7ml, whats the concentration of your test. 100mg/ml, 200mg/ml or 250mg/ml?


Super simple, order test, pay, fill out online intake form, pick additional tests you want(i think that was a section), doctor reviews your info,you get a req when hes done if he has no questions. If he has questions,you make an appt for a secure online chat through the client portal.

I only spoke to him after results because i have madication induced anemia, but he has to attempt tp chat with you if a theres anything out of range on results. To cover his ass, you can state you will follow up with another doctor if you want instead.

Sorry! Yes i am, just realized my mistake. Lol. I am injecting .07ml *mon wed and fri’s* every week. I don’t know where my head was at when i said mon tue and wed LOL i am still using the vial that were prescribed to me. Concentration is 100mg/ml. I’m going to order from biogenix probably next week to get the 250mg/ml.

Nice! Good to know it was that simple. Are you going with teletest from now on for you blood work? Are you testing every 3 months or 6 months?. My last bloodwork was January, I’m planning on going at the 3 month mark just to see how i am with 210mgs a week.

 

[Shakey]

Sorry! Yes i am, just realized my mistake. Lol. I am injecting .07ml *mon wed and fri’s* every week. I don’t know where my head was at when i said mon tue and wed LOL i am still using the vial that were prescribed to me. Concentration is 100mg/ml. I’m going to order from biogenix probably next week to get the 250mg/ml.

Nice! Good to know it was that simple. Are you going with teletest from now on for you blood work? Are you testing every 3 months or 6 months?. My last bloodwork was January, I’m planning on going at the 3 month mark just to see how i am with 210mgs a week.

Alright good, thought you might be blasting twice that 3 days in a row. . @biogenix is a good to go, i got my sustanon, deca and anavar off him for my first cycle coming up.

Yeah ill be going to teletest from now on. i just did my baseline bloods pre-cycle. I had low test, i think because very poor sleep (waking every hr or 2) plus prolonges weight cut. So i started 60mg test e EOD, so 210mg weekly until i start my cycle. No sense in bloods now if im going to blast in a month or so . Goals 170lbs, ive recently backtracked after starting TRT and 4iu HGH though.

Ill be doing bloods week 3 of cycle instead of week 4 because i have an estrogen sensitive Rx med. If it looks good and i dont raise my gear dosing, ill wait until week 16-17 (im running anavar first 7 weeks of cycle, and a different oral last 7 weeks) to test bloods afyer 3 weeks on new oral.

Then PCT bloods 4 weeks after pct ends.
its a 20 week cycle, with a 4 week clearance, then 4 week pct
Bloods
Week 3
Extra bloods if dose increased
Week 16-17
Week 29 pct bloods

So yeah i guess every 3 months kinda . Lol

 

[Kevdawg]

Alright good, thought you might be blasting twice that 3 days in a row. . @biogenix is a good to go, i got my sustanon, deca and anavar off him for my first cycle coming up.

Yeah ill be going to teletest from now on. i just did my baseline bloods pre-cycle. I had low test, i think because very poor sleep (waking every hr or 2) plus prolonges weight cut. So i started 60mg test e EOD, so 210mg weekly until i start my cycle. No sense in bloods now if im going to blast in a month or so . Goals 170lbs, ive recently backtracked after starting TRT and 4iu HGH though.

Ill be doing bloods week 3 of cycle instead of week 4 because i have an estrogen sensitive Rx med. If it looks good and i dont raise my gear dosing, ill wait until week 16-17 (im running anavar first 7 weeks of cycle, and a different oral last 7 weeks) to test bloods afyer 3 weeks on new oral.

Then PCT bloods 4 weeks after pct ends.
its a 20 week cycle, with a 4 week clearance, then 4 week pct
Bloods
Week 3
Extra bloods if dose increased
Week 16-17
Week 29 pct bloods

So yeah i guess every 3 months kinda . Lol

good to know @biogenix is a good place! I was thinking of doing a cycle in the future but i’ll look into it more as i’ve never used any and don’t know what would be a good product for a total beginner.

gotcha, i’m still with my clinic and i might get one last requisition from them on my check up date. I pay 200 every 1/4. The prescribed me at 150mg every week. But i already started 210mg after my last appt.

I hope your cycle runs smoothly without no issues!

 

[stevesmi]

I was just worried about my ball shrinkage lol but i looked into hcgenerate!

Yeah hcgenerate will help and has benefits

 

[Shakey]

good to know @biogenix is a good place! I was thinking of doing a cycle in the future but i’ll look into it more as i’ve never used any and don’t know what would be a good product for a total beginner.

Oh yeah, definitely spend a good amount of time researching for sure. You can do just a testosterone cycle for your first cycle. Nothing complicated, no fancy compounds. A straight increase of test and since your on trt (i assume for life?) you wouldnt need pct, as thats to restart your natural test production.

I went with sustanon for 2 reasons. Its a blend of 4 different test esters. Both short and long esters.
1. I need longer esters with a smoother curve because of my estrogen sensitive med.
2.it also has short esters for a quicker peak in test as well.

If you decide to add an oral, after you research a bit, anavar is the least liver toxic one. So its the safest bet.

gotcha, i’m still with my clinic and i might get one last requisition from them on my check up date. I pay 200 every 1/4. The prescribed me at 150mg every week. But i already started 210mg after my last appt.

I hope your cycle runs smoothly without no issues!

Is that 200 your Rx test? Or consultation, req and Rx combined?

Thanks bro, ive got it mapped out pretty well, planned it for a few months. I took advice given on EVO to run a GLP1 to cut before blasting gear. Glad i took it.

 

[teddy_vio]

I'm in Canada as well and also ditched my trt clinic and just went ug. As was prob mentioned above, there is a Canada Approved Sources forum here. I and lots of others have had great service from Syn, Pur, Nordic, etc.
Just from my own experience and lots of others on trt, more is not always better for libido. And your blood work already has you well above the top of range in Canada (30). HCG doesn't always help libido either, and when it does, it's typically temporary from what I've seen. I can't see any reason to run it unless you are actively trying to have kids, or your testicle size is -that- important to you.
For getting shredded, check out tirz or reta.....glp-1's are fucking amazing.

 

[Shakey]

I second @teddy_vio, a GLP1 would be a great addition if you want to get shredded. @Kevdawg

Even while just on TRT for now.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I was just worried about my ball shrinkage lol but i looked into hcgenerate!

HCGenerate is way better and works better than HCG in my opinion. HCG is just injecting estrogen and asking for trouble on cycle. You can get HCG here: https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/pct/hcgenerate-n2generate/

If you add up all you're spending on supplements and then look at HCGenerate and N2Guard you may spend a few bucks more but you'll be getting everything you need all in one and then some. It's got over 20+ supps that we need. I'm gonna take it for life 24/7 365.

Again brother! I appreciate you!

Appreciate you back bro.

Was teletest simple? Such as speaking With the Dr?

It's very easy, we have a megathread on it here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/how-to-get-private-bloodwork-done-in-canada.106348/

good to know @biogenix is a good place! I was thinking of doing a cycle in the future but i’ll look into it more as i’ve never used any and don’t know what would be a good product for a total beginner.

We will help you with this. Stick with @biogenix you will need to make sure your sources are trusted and approved by EVO to ensure quality and dosages are in check.

HCG doesn't always help libido either, and when it does, it's typically temporary from what I've seen. I can't see any reason to run it unless you are actively trying to have kids, or your testicle size is -that- important to you.

This is bang on. I'm not a fan of HCG at all. I ran it for no particular reason a few years ago and all it did was raise my estrogen, no remarkable testicular enlargement at all.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I second @teddy_vio, a GLP1 would be a great addition if you want to get shredded. @Kevdawg

Even while just on TRT for now.

@Shakey nailed it here. Reta with Cagrilintide as a fourth generation GLP stack is next level for fat loss and lipid/organ support. We have a community research thread on this here written by @LevButlerov here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...s-semaglutide-tirzepatide-retatrutide.109649/

 

[toddthelineman]

look at HCGenerate and N2Guard you may spend a few bucks more b

Tbh it wound up costing me less. My first log supplement list was pretty long and… it didn’t even work. That’s what gets you. Bogus “high quality(price)” supplements that don’t budge your liver enzymes. But N2Guard did work. I don’t get anything for saying that. I know it looks like we’re all shilling for these sources and products but the fact is they just are the real thing

no remarkable testicular enlargement at all.

Hcg does work for me, but the fluctuations in E2 are huge and unmanageable and unpredictable. I can’t say that HCGenerate had as strong of an effect as hcg, but it was noticeable

 

[Shakey]

This is bang on. I'm not a fan of HCG at all. I ran it for no particular reason a few years ago and all it did was raise my estrogen, no remarkable testicular enlargement at all.

If the product doesnt quadruple the original size of my nuts, i aint paying for it.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Tbh it wound up costing me less. My first log supplement list was pretty long and… it didn’t even work. That’s what gets you. Bogus “high quality(price)” supplements that don’t budge your liver enzymes. But N2Guard did work. I don’t get anything for saying that. I know it looks like we’re all shilling for these sources and products but the fact is they just are the real thing

Couldn't agree more. And yes, there's no shilling here we actually just care (imagine that LOL).

Hcg does work for me, but the fluctuations in E2 are huge and unmanageable and unpredictable. I can’t say that HCGenerate had as strong of an effect as hcg, but it was noticeable

Oh no doubt HCG does do what it's supposed to for LH and FSH it's just e2 ramifications are profound so on cycle it's just a WTF kind of addition in a context of not trying for a baby.

 

[HarleyGuy]

If the product doesnt quadruple the original size of my nuts, i aint paying for it.

If a product quadruples the size I'm dishing out a 3-months salary for it not unlike an engagement ring!

 

[Shakey]

If a product quadruples the size I'm dishing out a 3-months salary for it not unlike an engagement ring!

Thats it, we need a community research thread.

Anabolic compounds fot just the nuts.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks for the help and info about logs. I will definitely get a log going once i am dialled in! Sorry for the late reply, just been busy with getting back to work! Appreciate the help brother!

You dont need to be dialed in to start a log, the log is to Dial you in its a tool to help you get into it @Kevdawg

 

[Kevdawg]

Oh yeah, definitely spend a good amount of time researching for sure. You can do just a testosterone cycle for your first cycle. Nothing complicated, no fancy compounds. A straight increase of test and since your on trt (i assume for life?) you wouldnt need pct, as thats to restart your natural test production.

I went with sustanon for 2 reasons. Its a blend of 4 different test esters. Both short and long esters.
1. I need longer esters with a smoother curve because of my estrogen sensitive med.
2.it also has short esters for a quicker peak in test as well.

If you decide to add an oral, after you research a bit, anavar is the least liver toxic one. So its the safest bet.



Is that 200 your Rx test? Or consultation, req and Rx combined?

Thanks bro, ive got it mapped out pretty well, planned it for a few months. I took advice given on EVO to run a GLP1 to cut before blasting gear. Glad i took it.

Yeah i was thinking of starting with a cycle of test since i am already on it. Yes i am on it for life.

Ah gotcha, i was looking into that for oral for the future but ill look more into it or other options. I can just come on here for suggestions in the future.

That 200 is for consultation req and rx yes.

 

[Kevdawg]

I'm in Canada as well and also ditched my trt clinic and just went ug. As was prob mentioned above, there is a Canada Approved Sources forum here. I and lots of others have had great service from Syn, Pur, Nordic, etc.
Just from my own experience and lots of others on trt, more is not always better for libido. And your blood work already has you well above the top of range in Canada (30). HCG doesn't always help libido either, and when it does, it's typically temporary from what I've seen. I can't see any reason to run it unless you are actively trying to have kids, or your testicle size is -that- important to you.
For getting shredded, check out tirz or reta.....glp-1's are fucking amazing.

Yeah i read alot about it as for it being temporary. I was looking into getting in to reta shortly as i am planning on shredding fat to see where i am at muscle wise then bulk from there. This is when i plan on going on cycle of test.

 

[Kevdawg]

HCGenerate is way better and works better than HCG in my opinion. HCG is just injecting estrogen and asking for trouble on cycle. You can get HCG here: https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/pct/hcgenerate-n2generate/

If you add up all you're spending on supplements and then look at HCGenerate and N2Guard you may spend a few bucks more but you'll be getting everything you need all in one and then some. It's got over 20+ supps that we need. I'm gonna take it for life 24/7 365.


Appreciate you back bro.


It's very easy, we have a megathread on it here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/how-to-get-private-bloodwork-done-in-canada.106348/


We will help you with this. Stick with @biogenix you will need to make sure your sources are trusted and approved by EVO to ensure quality and dosages are in check.


This is bang on. I'm not a fan of HCG at all. I ran it for no particular reason a few years ago and all it did was raise my estrogen, no remarkable testicular enlargement at all.

Yes i am no longer taking the hcg as hcgenerate is a better option for my needs.

Good to know it has everything in it compared to taking supps individually.

I am placing an order with @biogenix next week!

 

[Kevdawg]

@Shakey nailed it here. Reta with Cagrilintide as a fourth generation GLP stack is next level for fat loss and lipid/organ support. We have a community research thread on this here written by @LevButlerov here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...s-semaglutide-tirzepatide-retatrutide.109649/

I think ill go with reta to shred fat and cycle on test for now when i bulk then look into adding in the future

 

[Kevdawg]

Tbh it wound up costing me less. My first log supplement list was pretty long and… it didn’t even work. That’s what gets you. Bogus “high quality(price)” supplements that don’t budge your liver enzymes. But N2Guard did work. I don’t get anything for saying that. I know it looks like we’re all shilling for these sources and products but the fact is they just are the real thing

Hcg does work for me, but the fluctuations in E2 are huge and unmanageable and unpredictable. I can’t say that HCGenerate had as strong of an effect as hcg, but it was noticeable

Good to know! As for the hcgenerate and n2gaurd is highly recommended here i will get them and see how i respond to them. Hcg did not really fluctuate my e2 much. Maybe I’m different idk. I’ll compare the two in the future

 

[Kevdawg]

You dont need to be dialed in to start a log, the log is to Dial you in its a tool to help you get into it @Kevdawg

Nice! Ill get one up soon!

 

[LevButlerov]

Nice! Ill get one up soon!

please do @Kevdawg

 

[LevButlerov]

Yes i am no longer taking the hcg as hcgenerate is a better option for my needs.

Good to know it has everything in it compared to taking supps individually.

I am placing an order with @biogenix next week!

HCGenerate the best option instead of hcg, smart move @Kevdawg

 

[Shakey]

Yeah i was thinking of starting with a cycle of test since i am already on it. Yes i am on it for life.

Ah gotcha, i was looking into that for oral for the future but ill look more into it or other options. I can just come on here for suggestions in the future.

That 200 is for consultation req and rx yes.

For sure man, on your log the bros will help you plan your cycle. Everyone'll definitely help with suggestions.

200 eh? Teletest is 79 and vials of test are 60-70 at @biogenix , so youll save money. Rx test is only 1000mg vials too i think? So cheaper and more test.

Retas a good choice, its done great for me.

You can look at my log for reference when you start yours if youd like, its in my signature. Its short, simple update, current stack, macros and workout.

Or @HarleyGuy 's, its probably the most detailed ive seen.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...o-50-years-old-and-transformation-log.108526/

 

[Kevdawg]

For sure man, on your log the bros will help you plan your cycle. Everyone'll definitely help with suggestions.

200 eh? Teletest is 79 and vials of test are 60-70 at @biogenix , so youll save money. Rx test is only 1000mg vials too i think? So cheaper and more test.

Retas a good choice, its done great for me.

You can look at my log for reference when you start yours if youd like, its in my signature. Its short, simple update, current stack, macros and workout.

Or @HarleyGuy 's, its probably the most detailed ive seen.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...o-50-years-old-and-transformation-log.108526/

Yeah it is cheaper. They are only 1000mg per vial. Going ug is a better option for me. Evo brothers will he my consultants LOL.

Test and hcg is the only things i’ve taken. Ill look into how to dose and reconstitution with reta.

Ill take a look at your logs and @HarleyGuy’s log for reference. As far as i am seeing, they look very simple. Thanks bro!

 

[Shakey]

Evo brothers will he my consultants LOL.

1000% they will. Lol

Test and hcg is the only things i’ve taken. Ill look into how to dose and reconstitution with reta.

Reta, start at 1mg once weekly, and increase by 1mg every 4 weeks. I increased every 3 cause i had little to no side effects. A lot of guys cruise at 2 or 3mg and find they get the results they need and dobt break the bank. As for reconstitution, heres a community research thread about reconning.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/how-to-mix-peptides.107113/

Ill take a look at your logs and @HarleyGuy’s log for reference. As far as i am seeing, they look very simple. Thanks bro!

@HarleyGuy 's has a lot of detail. Dont feel you need to be anywhere near that detailed, but steal some ideas from his if ya like.

 

[Kevdawg]

1000% they will. Lol

Reta, start at 1mg once weekly, and increase by 1mg every 4 weeks. I increased every 3 cause i had little to no side effects. A lot of guys cruise at 2 or 3mg and find they get the results they need and dobt break the bank. As for reconstitution, heres a community research thread about reconning.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/how-to-mix-peptides.107113/


@HarleyGuy 's has a lot of detail. Dont feel you need to be anywhere near that detailed, but steal some ideas from his if ya like.

Thank you for that. I will definitely follow that and feel how my body responds and increase from there. I looked up that thread and it definitely helps alot.

I did look at @HarleyGuy’s log and damn that’s a lot of detail which is great. But mine is definitely won’t be that detailed as i am just starting all this.

 

[Shakey]

Thank you for that. I will definitely follow that and feel how my body responds and increase from there. I looked up that thread and it definitely helps alot.

I did look at @HarleyGuy’s log and damn that’s a lot of detail which is great. But mine is definitely won’t be that detailed as i am just starting all this.

No problems bro. Yeah his log is very detailed. Mines short, just enough to keep me accountable to my plan basically. My stack list is literally a copy and paste i keep in my note pad. Makes logging quick if you have repeatable srctions every log. My macros are screenshots from MyFitnessPal app. lol

 

[HarleyGuy]

You dont need to be dialed in to start a log, the log is to Dial you in its a tool to help you get into it @Kevdawg

Exactly this!

 

[HarleyGuy]

Thank you for that. I will definitely follow that and feel how my body responds and increase from there. I looked up that thread and it definitely helps alot.

I did look at @HarleyGuy’s log and damn that’s a lot of detail which is great. But mine is definitely won’t be that detailed as i am just starting all this.

Yours doesn't have to be detailed I think you're feeling overwhelmed with the idea. Once you take 10-15 mins to post up your initial log post we can have you add anything you missed and keep it to the basics.

Let's see it bro I'm investing in you on this, you can do it!


HOW and WHY TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?
Accountability, self esteem, and consistency all which lead to RESULTS!

Authoring a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread using a full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
It will take 15-20 minutes max.
We have 100's of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight, height, age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal ASAP for us

There has been almost a quarter million members on here and almost two million posts with over a thousand podcasts so your Log Journal will be taken care of here! Evolutionary.org is the most visited steroid community in the world (fact!).


Here's how:

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT you will see: +POST THREAD
click that

In Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
In body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training, your body weight, supps, etc and we will help you along on your cycle or help you decide when it's time.

For example: What are your supplements?
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
Apple Cider Vinegar with mother?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?




Here are examples of LOG Journals you can choose to use as your template:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...o-50-years-old-and-transformation-log.108526/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

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1. PCT (after steroid usage how can you come off in a healthy way to get your natural test, hormones and HPTA back up and running)
2. Diet/Supps (we must see you have this dialed in with the proper macros, calories and supplements specific to your goal)
3. Training (we need to make sure you're training is consistent and proper)
4. Steroids (then, if you trust this forum which you should, we will get you squared away for a proper cycle suited and tailored to you)