New Here, Starting Cut and new to AAS

[zedtwitter63]

Hey am about to start 12 week cut cycle and have decided to Pin: Test 75mg +Primo 125mg + Deca 75mg + Tren A 62,5mg 4x weekly in weeks 9-12 the last 4 weeks First time user.
Have just started weeks 1 Test 100mg+ Primo 125mg + Deca 100mg 3x weekly and will start anavar 20mg from week 5-8 and then 40mg split for the last 4 weeks. Have dialed in Cabergoline:0.25 mg 2x a week and will start when it arrives. Will be on 25mg Proviron daily for the 12 weeks, Telamisartin 20mg daily or until my BP gets below optimal. Also on reta, seam HCG and waiting on my HGH order from @Gold Standard Labs, they were great, quick to process and send and I should see it here in a day or so.
Am a pretty resiliant 63yo who has just started getting into the gym and only been on TRT from 6 or so months. have been going to the gym now for 1.5 years and have completed one small cycle of cut, bulk and recomp from which I have learned alot but have had no help so have just found this wonderful community and looking for help and to discuss areas of interest.
My main concern is my foray into Tren in the last 4 weeks, its a decent amount to start with but want to achieve a true 10% BF once in my life from where I can grow as my goal is 100+kg 12% BF.
I have just had my bloods done and they look reasonable so am proceeding with some AI and diuretics on stand by as I am high aromatiser.
Cheers to ALL

 

[jerseyshoremuscles]

Just curious, so you went from trt dosage to stacking 3 aas s at a gram?

Bro test is the best, no reason to add all those compounds. Just take more testosterone.

Keep it simple
Testosterone mon and thrusday
Anastrozole mon and thrusday
Hgh pm empty stomach before bed
Tirzepatide 1x a wk
Anavar

Primo is an expensive ai, just take more testosterone and Anastrozole.

Do your research on trenbolone. Research 19 nor steroids. I see you talk about cabergoline, that is a serious drug, now your playing with dopamine levels. Cab has its own side effects. I get prolactin gyno from 19 nor s.

 

[zedtwitter63]

Thanks mate, will definately look into it.
Will be dping bloods every 4 to keep ontop of things.
Have been on test 300 befote but high aromatiser had trouble dialing in anastrazole. Deca is the bomb for mt Ostio arthritus of the shoulder. Front liaded that so will be 50pmg for the week and then back to 300mg.

 

[jerseyshoremuscles]

I was using deca for my shoulder as well. 80mg a week, no front load.

Have you tried bpc 157 and tb500 for your shoulder? I get good results.

What dose Anastrozole were running with test 300mg?

 

[zedtwitter63]

Yes but not muvh chop when you have akmost ni cartlidge so deca is lubing nicely. Only fromnt loaded as yired of not being able to do press for sjoukders and bench for chest

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey am about to start 12 week cut cycle and have decided to Pin: Test 75mg +Primo 125mg + Deca 75mg + Tren A 62,5mg 4x weekly in weeks 9-12 the last 4 weeks First time user.
Have just started weeks 1 Test 100mg+ Primo 125mg + Deca 100mg 3x weekly and will start anavar 20mg from week 5-8 and then 40mg split for the last 4 weeks. Have dialed in Cabergoline:0.25 mg 2x a week and will start when it arrives. Will be on 25mg Proviron daily for the 12 weeks, Telamisartin 20mg daily or until my BP gets below optimal. Also on reta, seam HCG and waiting on my HGH order from @Gold Standard Labs, they were great, quick to process and send and I should see it here in a day or so.
Am a pretty resiliant 63yo who has just started getting into the gym and only been on TRT from 6 or so months. have been going to the gym now for 1.5 years and have completed one small cycle of cut, bulk and recomp from which I have learned alot but have had no help so have just found this wonderful community and looking for help and to discuss areas of interest.
My main concern is my foray into Tren in the last 4 weeks, its a decent amount to start with but want to achieve a true 10% BF once in my life from where I can grow as my goal is 100+kg 12% BF.
I have just had my bloods done and they look reasonable so am proceeding with some AI and diuretics on stand by as I am high aromatiser.
Cheers to ALL

welcome to the EVO family @zedtwitter63 This is way too much for a 63 y/o new user, and you’re stacking test, primo, deca, tren, anavar, proviron, caber, HCG, GH, and retatrutide with no baseline, that’s not a cut plan it’s a side effect plan. sorry I had to say it.

Before anyone can support you, you need to stop adding new stuff and get a proper log up with your exact doses in mg /week, pin schedule, ed calories and macros, bodyweight trend, BP, resting HR, sleep, training plan, and full bloodwork. 15min of your time to start and share

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[zedtwitter63]

Hey Mod,
Appreciate it, am in gym at mo will get back to you with all of the above and my previous lityle foray. Am really appreciative to be here amongst like minded.
Cheers

 

[stevesmi]

Hey am about to start 12 week cut cycle and have decided to Pin: Test 75mg +Primo 125mg + Deca 75mg + Tren A 62,5mg 4x weekly in weeks 9-12 the last 4 weeks First time user.
Have just started weeks 1 Test 100mg+ Primo 125mg + Deca 100mg 3x weekly and will start anavar 20mg from week 5-8 and then 40mg split for the last 4 weeks. Have dialed in Cabergoline:0.25 mg 2x a week and will start when it arrives. Will be on 25mg Proviron daily for the 12 weeks, Telamisartin 20mg daily or until my BP gets below optimal. Also on reta, seam HCG and waiting on my HGH order from @Gold Standard Labs, they were great, quick to process and send and I should see it here in a day or so.
Am a pretty resiliant 63yo who has just started getting into the gym and only been on TRT from 6 or so months. have been going to the gym now for 1.5 years and have completed one small cycle of cut, bulk and recomp from which I have learned alot but have had no help so have just found this wonderful community and looking for help and to discuss areas of interest.
My main concern is my foray into Tren in the last 4 weeks, its a decent amount to start with but want to achieve a true 10% BF once in my life from where I can grow as my goal is 100+kg 12% BF.
I have just had my bloods done and they look reasonable so am proceeding with some AI and diuretics on stand by as I am high aromatiser.
Cheers to ALL

that's a major league cycle for sure. I'm curious to see how you do on it especially at your age.

 

[zedtwitter63]

Will provide what Lev requested plus a few other things since I am new and just getting a feel for things but definately feel that I have found what I was looking for.
Cheers to ALL

 

[LevButlerov]

Will provide what Lev requested plus a few other things since I am new and just getting a feel for things but definately feel that I have found what I was looking for.
Cheers to ALL

waiting to see your log

 

[zedtwitter63]

This is my recent 6week recomp.
Week 1: Test E 300 mg/wk | Anavar 20 mg/day | S4 25 mg/day split | HGH 2 IU

Day

Test E (dose/draw)

HCG (IU/ml)

HGH (IU/ml from Vial)

Anavar AM

Anavar PM

S4 AM

S4 PM

YK11 AM

RAD AM

T3 (mcg)

Tadalafil

Reta (mg/ml)

Monday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

-

Tuesday

-

-

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

-

Wednesday

-

-

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

-

Thursday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

-

Friday

-

-

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

-

Saturday

-

-

-

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

-

Sunday

-

-

-

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

4 / 0.4

Week 2: Test E 300 mg/wk | Tbol 60 mg/day | S4 25 mg/day split | HGH 2 IU

Day

Test E (dose/draw)

HCG (IU/ml)

HGH (IU/ml from Vial)

Tbol AM

Tbol PM

S4 AM

S4 PM

YK11 AM

RAD AM

T3 (mcg)

Tadalafil

Reta (mg/ml)

Semaglutide (Wed)

Monday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Tuesday

-

-

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Wednesday

-

-

2 / 0.27 (Vial 2)

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

0.5mg

Thursday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

3 / 0.6

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Friday

-

-

3 / 0.6

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Saturday

-

-

3/0.6

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Sunday

-

-

-

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

5 / 0.5

-

Week 3: Test E 300 mg/wk | Tbol 60 mg/day | S4 25 mg/day split | HGH 4 IU

Day

Test E (dose/draw)

HCG (IU/ml)

HGH (IU/ml from Vial)

Tbol AM

Tbol PM

S4 AM

S4 PM

YK11 AM

RAD AM

T3 (mcg)

Tadalafil

Reta (mg/ml)

Semaglutide (Wed)

Monday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Tuesday

-

-

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Wednesday

-

-

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

0.5 mg

Thursday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Friday

-

-

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Saturday

-

-

-

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Sunday

-

-

-

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

5 / 0.5

-

Week 4: Test E 300 mg/wk | Tbol 60 mg/day | S4 50 mg/day split | HGH 4 IU

Day

Test E (dose/draw)

HCG (IU/ml)

HGH (IU/ml from Vial)

Tbol AM

Tbol PM

S4 AM

S4 PM

YK11 AM

RAD AM

T3 (mcg)

Tadalafil

Reta (mg/ml)

Semaglutide (Wed)

Monday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Tuesday

-

-

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Wednesday

-

-

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

0.33mg

Thursday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Friday

-

-

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Saturday

-

-

-

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

0.5mg

Sunday

-

-

-

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

5 / 0.5

-

Week 5: Test E 300 mg/wk | Anavar 60 mg/day | S4 50 mg/day split | HGH 4 IU

Day

Test E (dose/draw)

HCG (IU/ml)

HGH (IU/ml from Vial)

Tbol AM

Tbol PM

S4 AM

S4 PM

YK11 AM

RAD AM

T3 (mcg)

Tadalafil

Reta (mg/ml)

Semaglutide (Wed)

Monday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

3/0.25ml

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Tuesday

-

-

3/0.25ml

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Wednesday

-

-

3/0.25ml

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

0.5 mg

Thursday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

3/0.25ml

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Friday

-

-

3/0.25ml

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Saturday

-

-

-

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

0.5mg

Sunday

-

-

-

10 mg

5 / 0.5

-

Week 6: Test E 300 mg/wk | Anavar 60 mg/day | S4 50 mg/day split | HGH 4 IU

Day

Test E (dose/draw)

HCG (IU/ml)

HGH (IU/ml from Vial)

Anavar AM

Anavar PM

S4 AM

S4 PM

YK11 AM

RAD AM

T3 (mcg)

Tadalafil

Reta (mg/ml)

Semaglutide (Wed)

Monday

90 mg / 0.3ml

500 / 0.15

3/0.25ml (36 IU vial)

10 mg

-

-

Tuesday

-

-

3/0.25ml (36 IU vial)

10 mg

-

1.0 mg 0.3ml

Wednesday

-

-

3/0.25ml (36 IU vial)

10 mg

-

Thursday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

10 mg

-

-0.5mg

Friday

-

-

10 mg

-

-

Saturday

-

-

-

10 mg

-

0.5mg

Sunday

-

-

-

10 mg

5

AND
Here are my Bloods after all those SARMS. Had a period of High Blood pressure but figured it was too much AI Dropping my E2. One week before bloods stopped all SARMS and HGH as I ran out of HGH. Continued to run GLP's and Test at 300 with HGC at 1000iu weekly split.

They looked good to me with a couple of areas to watch. So Commenced my Cut on the 24th April.
Below is my plan and as usual Pink highlights are completed and dosed.
Would not let me post so will need to follow up but not sure how to

 

[zedtwitter63]

Week 1 (24–30 April) – Liver recovery week from Recomp

Day

Date

Oils (IM evening)

HGH

HCG (subQ)

Anavar

Proviron

Aromasin

TUDCA

Cartalax

Telmisartan (PM)

Tadalafil (AM)

Reta/Sema

Fri

24 Apr

Test 0.4 + Primo 1.25 + Deca 0.25

–

None

25mg

–

None

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

–

Sat

25 Apr

Deca 0.25ml

–

–

None

25mg

–

None

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

Sema 1mg/0.5ml

Sun

26 Apr

Deca 0.25ml

–

–

None

25mg

–

None

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

Reta 5mg

Mon

27 Apr

Test 0.4 + Primo 1.25 + Deca 0.25

2 IU

500 IU

None

25mg

None

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

–

Tue

28 Apr

No oils

2 IU

–

None

25mg

–

None

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

–

Wed

29 Apr

Test 0.4 + Primo 1.25 + Deca 0.25

2 IU

–

None

25mg

–

None

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

–

Thu

30 Apr

No oils

2 IU

500 IU

None

25mg

12.5 mg

None

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

Seam 1mg/0.5ml

Week 2 (1–7 May) – Anavar 25 mg + TUDCA starts

Day

Date

Oils (IM evening)

HGH

HCG (subQ)

Anavar

Proviron

Aromasin

TUDCA

Cartalax

Telmisarta (PM)

Tadalafil (AM)

Reta/Sema

Fri

1 May

Test 0.4 + Primo 1.25 + Deca 0.25

2IU

–

20mg

25mg

–

750 mg

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

–

Sat

2 May

No oils

–

–

20mg

25mg

–

750 mg

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

Sema 1mg/0.5ml

Sun

3 May

No oils

–

–

20mg

25mg

–

750 mg

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

4mg 0.8ml

Mon

4 May

Test 0.4 + Primo 1.25 + Deca 0.25

3IU

500 IU

20mg

25mg

12.5 mg

750 mg

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

–

Tue

5 May

No oils

3 IU

–

20mg

25mg

–

750 mg

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

–

Wed

6 May

Test 0.4 + Primo 1.25 + Deca 0.25

3 IU

–

20mg

25mg

–

750 mg

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

–

Thu

7 May

No oils

3 IU

500 IU

20mg

25mg

12.5 mg

750 mg

3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

Sema 1mg/0.5ml

Weeks 9–12 (19 June – 17 July) – Anavar 40 mg + 4 pinning days/week

Day

Date (example)

Oils (IM evening)

HGH

HCG (subQ)

Anavar

Proviron

Aromasin

TUDCA

Shoulder Peptides

Telmisartan (AM)

Tadalafil (PM)

Reta/Sema/Cagri

Fri

19.06

Pin: Test 0.3 + Primo 1.25 + Deca 0.19 + Tren A 0.625

6IU Split

20 mg AM + 20 mg PM

12.5 AM + 12.5 PM

6.25 mg AM

750 mg

Cartalax 3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

–

Sat

20.06

No oils

–

20 mg AM + 20 mg PM

12.5 AM + 12.5 PM

–

750 mg

Cartalax 3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

Sema 1mg/0.5ml

Sun

21.06

Pin: Test 0.3 + Primo 1.25 + Deca 0.19 + Tren A 0.625

–

20 mg AM + 20 mg PM

12.5 AM + 12.5 PM

–

750 mg

Cartalax 3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

4mg 0.8ml

Mon

22.06

No oils

6IU Split

500 IU

20 mg AM + 20 mg PM

12.5 AM + 12.5 PM

–

750 mg

Cartalax 3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

–

Tue

23.06

Pin: Test 0.3 + Primo 1.25 + Deca 0.19 + Tren A 0.625

6IU Split

–

20 mg AM + 20 mg PM

12.5 AM + 12.5 PM

–

750 mg

Cartalax 3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

–

Wed

24.06

No oils

6IU Split

–

20 mg AM + 20 mg PM

12.5 AM + 12.5 PM

–

750 mg

Cartalax 3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

–

Thur

25.06

Pin: Test 0.3 + Primo 1.25 + Deca 0.19 + Tren A 0.625

6IU Split

500 IU

20 mg AM + 20 mg PM

12.5 AM + 12.5 PM

–

750 mg

Cartalax 3.5 mg (0.52 ml)

20 mg

10 mg

Sema 1mg/0.5ml

Aiming for 10% Body fat so I can get the most uptake for my Lean Bulk Phase which has also been planned but as always a work in progress as there is 12 weeks or more before I get to that.
I work away for 4 weeks at a time so difficult to get full consistency as work from midnight to midday. we have a little gym with dumbells and a new smithmachine. But currently my workout planning is lagging and need a bit of a touch up. Would love a coach here but can not afford. So need to do more planning.
Just recieved my HGH from @Gold Standard Labs fast and efficient service which is so good to get. I definately have found what I have been looking for.
Cheers All

Lev let me know if you need anything else as am a bitt rushed at the mo. Cheers Mate

 

[zedtwitter63]

ok it wouldnt accept all the tables so have cut the 3-8weeks where there are increases of anavar and HGH but generally all the same asw weeks 1 ans 2

 

[zedtwitter63]

That was me before I found the gym and PED's
and then
Me after 1st Cut
During cut and Now
What else am 63 this year 181cm tall and currently 88kg
Looking to cut to 10% but maintain weight above 85kg as last cut I was 79kg so am hoping I have added some muscle.

 

[zedtwitter63]

Even though the first pic is 2019 I was with less muscle and more fat a couple of years ago.
Am proud of where I have got myself and am keen to get further, bigger, stronger.

 

[Mobster]

Just curious, so you went from trt dosage to stacking 3 aas s at a gram?

Bro test is the best, no reason to add all those compounds. Just take more testosterone.

Keep it simple
Testosterone mon and thrusday
Anastrozole mon and thrusday
Hgh pm empty stomach before bed
Tirzepatide 1x a wk
Anavar

Primo is an expensive ai, just take more testosterone and Anastrozole.

Do your research on trenbolone. Research 19 nor steroids. I see you talk about cabergoline, that is a serious drug, now your playing with dopamine levels. Cab has its own side effects. I get prolactin gyno from 19 nor s.

And only on TRT a short time too.

As it is I'd wait a bit before using Tren

 

[zedtwitter63]

And only on TRT a short time too.

As it is I'd wait a bit before using Tren

Sure but I have to ask, wait for what?

 

[zedtwitter63]

You guys are right, sides not worth it. Was so fixated on cutting to 10% and maintaining muscle mass that even though having read all about it and experienced peeps suggesting that I leave it, I still wanted to try. But now that I am thinking more about the experience levels telling me to hold off the more the reading of sides sinks in. Will look at Mast in its place.
Thankyou for your advice peeps!

 

[Yuri]

Yeah bro tren is not the miracle drug it’s made out to be - it has a time and place sure, but maybe not yet

You can get below 10% body fat with out it just fine mu brother

A well executed timeline, program and nutrition set up will create that - lower load with drugs is always the first step in my humble opinion

 

[zedtwitter63]

Thanks Yuri
Yeah I suppose I am just keen to get to where I wanna be and at my age feel like time is not on my side.
Cheers mate!

 

[Yuri]

Thanks Yuri
Yeah I suppose I am just keen to get to where I wanna be and at my age feel like time is not on my side.
Cheers mate!

Totally get it brother and you can get there no question, but I’d love you to get there with good lab markers and your health in the best place it can be

Your age is a good reason to avoid toxic compound - but also I’m so proud of you for going hard at your age when most would be playing golf and getting fat

Drugs help yes, but getting peeled to the bone is very much a game of well thought out programming and timelines

Only say this so you can avoid pitfalls many fall into

 

[zedtwitter63]

Appreciate it brother! I cal count daily, i watch my macros and try to get it perfectly on a daily basis but loook at it on a weekly average.
I take a shit load of supps and am trying different shit to see if i can fix my shoulder but was amazed at how quick a small front load of deca improved my shoulders.
I too wanna avoid toxicicity and mental anguish.
Just made me realise tren not a good fit for me at moment. But as usual am always in a hurry. But have been logging and learning. Have my gym app and try to follow routine but as a FIFO worker and away for 4 weeks it kind of difgicult to get into a rythm. But still trying. I wanna get to 100+kg and at 12%. Thats my goal. I push so hard that Ive done some tendons alreafy and have had to change style to more form but even that is difficult when one has osti arthritus of both shoukders and a wrist. I feel like I'll never get to where I wanna be but I keep going.
Am hoping to grt inspiration on here.
Its been only a few days but the combo of primo, teste and deca feels great, just have to remember form not mass and need to let my tendons catchup.
THanks for the advice, its alwsys appreciated.

 

[Yuri]

Appreciate it brother! I cal count daily, i watch my macros and try to get it perfectly on a daily basis but loook at it on a weekly average.
I take a shit load of supps and am trying different shit to see if i can fix my shoulder but was amazed at how quick a small front load of deca improved my shoulders.
I too wanna avoid toxicicity and mental anguish.
Just made me realise tren not a good fit for me at moment. But as usual am always in a hurry. But have been logging and learning. Have my gym app and try to follow routine but as a FIFO worker and away for 4 weeks it kind of difgicult to get into a rythm. But still trying. I wanna get to 100+kg and at 12%. Thats my goal. I push so hard that Ive done some tendons alreafy and have had to change style to more form but even that is difficult when one has osti arthritus of both shoukders and a wrist. I feel like I'll never get to where I wanna be but I keep going.
Am hoping to grt inspiration on here.
Its been only a few days but the combo of primo, teste and deca feels great, just have to remember form not mass and need to let my tendons catchup.
THanks for the advice, its alwsys appreciated.

Amazing work bro and I can see your working hard

I get with the FIFO, I have a few clients that are all fifo workers and I have to treat the weekly / monthly volume and trading progressions much different from my other clients

You’ll most likely need to have a longer game plan for your nutrition at some point to really get down in body fat - that’s a long conversation for now but timelines are so important for sticking points and rates of loss each week

Glad and o have you in the community brother

 

[zedtwitter63]

Love your work bro and thanks for taking the timeout!

 

[ceo]

Hey am about to start 12 week cut cycle and have decided to Pin: Test 75mg +Primo 125mg + Deca 75mg + Tren A 62,5mg 4x weekly in weeks 9-12 the last 4 weeks First time user.
Have just started weeks 1 Test 100mg+ Primo 125mg + Deca 100mg 3x weekly and will start anavar 20mg from week 5-8 and then 40mg split for the last 4 weeks. Have dialed in Cabergoline:0.25 mg 2x a week and will start when it arrives. Will be on 25mg Proviron daily for the 12 weeks, Telamisartin 20mg daily or until my BP gets below optimal. Also on reta, seam HCG and waiting on my HGH order from @Gold Standard Labs, they were great, quick to process and send and I should see it here in a day or so.
Am a pretty resiliant 63yo who has just started getting into the gym and only been on TRT from 6 or so months. have been going to the gym now for 1.5 years and have completed one small cycle of cut, bulk and recomp from which I have learned alot but have had no help so have just found this wonderful community and looking for help and to discuss areas of interest.
My main concern is my foray into Tren in the last 4 weeks, its a decent amount to start with but want to achieve a true 10% BF once in my life from where I can grow as my goal is 100+kg 12% BF.
I have just had my bloods done and they look reasonable so am proceeding with some AI and diuretics on stand by as I am high aromatiser.
Cheers to ALL

Bros, if you are new to steroids then tren is the last one you should worry about. Just run a couple of steroids, an oral and an injectable; that's all you need for a first timer.

 

[LevButlerov]

This is my recent 6week recomp.
Week 1: Test E 300 mg/wk | Anavar 20 mg/day | S4 25 mg/day split | HGH 2 IU

Day

Test E (dose/draw)

HCG (IU/ml)

HGH (IU/ml from Vial)

Anavar AM

Anavar PM

S4 AM

S4 PM

YK11 AM

RAD AM

T3 (mcg)

Tadalafil

Reta (mg/ml)

Monday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

-

Tuesday

-

-

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

-

Wednesday

-

-

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

-

Thursday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

-

Friday

-

-

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

-

Saturday

-

-

-

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

-

Sunday

-

-

-

10 mg

10 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

25

10 mg

4 / 0.4

Week 2: Test E 300 mg/wk | Tbol 60 mg/day | S4 25 mg/day split | HGH 2 IU

Day

Test E (dose/draw)

HCG (IU/ml)

HGH (IU/ml from Vial)

Tbol AM

Tbol PM

S4 AM

S4 PM

YK11 AM

RAD AM

T3 (mcg)

Tadalafil

Reta (mg/ml)

Semaglutide (Wed)

Monday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Tuesday

-

-

2 / 0.27 (Vial 1)

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Wednesday

-

-

2 / 0.27 (Vial 2)

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

0.5mg

Thursday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

3 / 0.6

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Friday

-

-

3 / 0.6

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Saturday

-

-

3/0.6

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Sunday

-

-

-

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

5 / 0.5

-

Week 3: Test E 300 mg/wk | Tbol 60 mg/day | S4 25 mg/day split | HGH 4 IU

Day

Test E (dose/draw)

HCG (IU/ml)

HGH (IU/ml from Vial)

Tbol AM

Tbol PM

S4 AM

S4 PM

YK11 AM

RAD AM

T3 (mcg)

Tadalafil

Reta (mg/ml)

Semaglutide (Wed)

Monday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Tuesday

-

-

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Wednesday

-

-

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

0.5 mg

Thursday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Friday

-

-

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Saturday

-

-

-

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Sunday

-

-

-

30 mg

30 mg

12.5 mg

12.5 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

5 / 0.5

-

Week 4: Test E 300 mg/wk | Tbol 60 mg/day | S4 50 mg/day split | HGH 4 IU

Day

Test E (dose/draw)

HCG (IU/ml)

HGH (IU/ml from Vial)

Tbol AM

Tbol PM

S4 AM

S4 PM

YK11 AM

RAD AM

T3 (mcg)

Tadalafil

Reta (mg/ml)

Semaglutide (Wed)

Monday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Tuesday

-

-

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Wednesday

-

-

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

0.33mg

Thursday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Friday

-

-

4 / 0.8

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Saturday

-

-

-

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

0.5mg

Sunday

-

-

-

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

5 / 0.5

-

Week 5: Test E 300 mg/wk | Anavar 60 mg/day | S4 50 mg/day split | HGH 4 IU

Day

Test E (dose/draw)

HCG (IU/ml)

HGH (IU/ml from Vial)

Tbol AM

Tbol PM

S4 AM

S4 PM

YK11 AM

RAD AM

T3 (mcg)

Tadalafil

Reta (mg/ml)

Semaglutide (Wed)

Monday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

3/0.25ml

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Tuesday

-

-

3/0.25ml

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Wednesday

-

-

3/0.25ml

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

0.5 mg

Thursday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

3/0.25ml

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Friday

-

-

3/0.25ml

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

-

Saturday

-

-

-

30 mg

30 mg

25 mg

25 mg

10 mg

10 mg

20

10 mg

-

0.5mg

Sunday

-

-

-

10 mg

5 / 0.5

-

Week 6: Test E 300 mg/wk | Anavar 60 mg/day | S4 50 mg/day split | HGH 4 IU

Day

Test E (dose/draw)

HCG (IU/ml)

HGH (IU/ml from Vial)

Anavar AM

Anavar PM

S4 AM

S4 PM

YK11 AM

RAD AM

T3 (mcg)

Tadalafil

Reta (mg/ml)

Semaglutide (Wed)

Monday

90 mg / 0.3ml

500 / 0.15

3/0.25ml (36 IU vial)

10 mg

-

-

Tuesday

-

-

3/0.25ml (36 IU vial)

10 mg

-

1.0 mg 0.3ml

Wednesday

-

-

3/0.25ml (36 IU vial)

10 mg

-

Thursday

150 mg / 0.6 ml

500 / 0.15

10 mg

-

-0.5mg

Friday

-

-

10 mg

-

-

Saturday

-

-

-

10 mg

-

0.5mg

Sunday

-

-

-

10 mg

5

AND
Here are my Bloods after all those SARMS. Had a period of High Blood pressure but figured it was too much AI Dropping my E2. One week before bloods stopped all SARMS and HGH as I ran out of HGH. Continued to run GLP's and Test at 300 with HGC at 1000iu weekly split.View attachment 221460View attachment 221461View attachment 221462View attachment 221463View attachment 221464View attachment 221465
They looked good to me with a couple of areas to watch. So Commenced my Cut on the 24th April.
Below is my plan and as usual Pink highlights are completed and dosed.
Would not let me post so will need to follow up but not sure how to

thank you for sharing @zedtwitter63 but can you please start a NEW thread for this this way we can start a fresh log with your bloods and info, usually logs are fresh, please review the info I provided here
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/new-here-starting-cut-and-new-to-aas.110651/post-2054033

welcome to the EVO family @zedtwitter63 This is way too much for a 63 y/o new user, and you’re stacking test, primo, deca, tren, anavar, proviron, caber, HCG, GH, and retatrutide with no baseline, that’s not a cut plan it’s a side effect plan. sorry I had to say it.

Before anyone can support you, you need to stop adding new stuff and get a proper log up with your exact doses in mg /week, pin schedule, ed calories and macros, bodyweight trend, BP, resting HR, sleep, training plan, and full bloodwork. 15min of your time to start and share

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

• Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
• Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
• The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
• Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
• We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
• Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone training Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hey am about to start 12 week cut cycle and have decided to Pin: Test 75mg +Primo 125mg + Deca 75mg + Tren A 62,5mg 4x weekly in weeks 9-12 the last 4 weeks First time user.
Have just started weeks 1 Test 100mg+ Primo 125mg + Deca 100mg 3x weekly and will start anavar 20mg from week 5-8 and then 40mg split for the last 4 weeks. Have dialed in Cabergoline:0.25 mg 2x a week and will start when it arrives. Will be on 25mg Proviron daily for the 12 weeks, Telamisartin 20mg daily or until my BP gets below optimal. Also on reta, seam HCG and waiting on my HGH order from @Gold Standard Labs, they were great, quick to process and send and I should see it here in a day or so.
Am a pretty resiliant 63yo who has just started getting into the gym and only been on TRT from 6 or so months. have been going to the gym now for 1.5 years and have completed one small cycle of cut, bulk and recomp from which I have learned alot but have had no help so have just found this wonderful community and looking for help and to discuss areas of interest.
My main concern is my foray into Tren in the last 4 weeks, its a decent amount to start with but want to achieve a true 10% BF once in my life from where I can grow as my goal is 100+kg 12% BF.
I have just had my bloods done and they look reasonable so am proceeding with some AI and diuretics on stand by as I am high aromatiser.
Cheers to ALL

Welcome man. That is great that you are still kicking ass even at your age. You don't see too many people doing that anymore. Tell us more about yourself though. Why don't you get a log going? We would love to hear your whole story.

 

[Ulter]

Hey am about to start 12 week cut cycle and have decided to Pin: Test 75mg +Primo 125mg + Deca 75mg + Tren A 62,5mg 4x weekly in weeks 9-12 the last 4 weeks First time user.
Have just started weeks 1 Test 100mg+ Primo 125mg + Deca 100mg 3x weekly and will start anavar 20mg from week 5-8 and then 40mg split for the last 4 weeks. Have dialed in Cabergoline:0.25 mg 2x a week and will start when it arrives. Will be on 25mg Proviron daily for the 12 weeks, Telamisartin 20mg daily or until my BP gets below optimal. Also on reta, seam HCG and waiting on my HGH order from @Gold Standard Labs, they were great, quick to process and send and I should see it here in a day or so.
Am a pretty resiliant 63yo who has just started getting into the gym and only been on TRT from 6 or so months. have been going to the gym now for 1.5 years and have completed one small cycle of cut, bulk and recomp from which I have learned alot but have had no help so have just found this wonderful community and looking for help and to discuss areas of interest.
My main concern is my foray into Tren in the last 4 weeks, its a decent amount to start with but want to achieve a true 10% BF once in my life from where I can grow as my goal is 100+kg 12% BF.
I have just had my bloods done and they look reasonable so am proceeding with some AI and diuretics on stand by as I am high aromatiser.
Cheers to ALL

@zedtwitter63 man, you are a beast. I can't believe that you are in your 60s. You're only a couple of years away from Social Security and you're still kicking ass and taking names. It's very impressive.

 

[2Thick]

Hey am about to start 12 week cut cycle and have decided to Pin: Test 75mg +Primo 125mg + Deca 75mg + Tren A 62,5mg 4x weekly in weeks 9-12 the last 4 weeks First time user.
Have just started weeks 1 Test 100mg+ Primo 125mg + Deca 100mg 3x weekly and will start anavar 20mg from week 5-8 and then 40mg split for the last 4 weeks. Have dialed in Cabergoline:0.25 mg 2x a week and will start when it arrives. Will be on 25mg Proviron daily for the 12 weeks, Telamisartin 20mg daily or until my BP gets below optimal. Also on reta, seam HCG and waiting on my HGH order from @Gold Standard Labs, they were great, quick to process and send and I should see it here in a day or so.
Am a pretty resiliant 63yo who has just started getting into the gym and only been on TRT from 6 or so months. have been going to the gym now for 1.5 years and have completed one small cycle of cut, bulk and recomp from which I have learned alot but have had no help so have just found this wonderful community and looking for help and to discuss areas of interest.
My main concern is my foray into Tren in the last 4 weeks, its a decent amount to start with but want to achieve a true 10% BF once in my life from where I can grow as my goal is 100+kg 12% BF.
I have just had my bloods done and they look reasonable so am proceeding with some AI and diuretics on stand by as I am high aromatiser.
Cheers to ALL

man, I gotta give you a lot of props, especially at your age when most people are being lazy. I'm glad to see you kicking ass. Tren though is a pretty harsh steroid. Know what you're getting into before you use it; it could turn your blood numbers upside down very quickly.

 

[ballin2504]

I’d love to see a log go up!

 

[zedtwitter63]

I’d love to see a log go up!

Hey there brother
Just put up the start of my cut and catching up.
Day to day wont be so detailed but will try to include all.
Cheers mate

Thread 'Oldie but a Newbie 1st Time AAS Cut Log' https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/oldie-but-a-newbie-1st-time-aas-cut-log.110702/

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey there brother
Just put up the start of my cut and catching up.
Day to day wont be so detailed but will try to include all.
Cheers mate

Thread 'Oldie but a Newbie 1st Time AAS Cut Log' https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/oldie-but-a-newbie-1st-time-aas-cut-log.110702/

checking it now

 

[zedtwitter63]

@zedtwitter63 man, you are a beast. I can't believe that you are in your 60s. You're only a couple of years away from Social Security and you're still kicking ass and taking names. It's very impressive.

This still makes my chuckle or is it LOL

 

[Ulter]

This still makes my chuckle or is it LOL

EVO family respect