Tren A / Test cycle

[Texas13571]

What's up everyone, new to this site. Just have some quick questions that hopefully some of you more experienced guys can help with. Ok so to start off here is my info.

I'm 25
5ft 11in
207lbs
Not sure on BMW at the moment
Lift 5-6days a week and have been for the last 5.5 years.

Now I'm running Tren A with test, I have read all sorts of opinions on how to run this and I still have questions.

#1- will a 8 week cycle yield good results or should I go for 12 (trying to lean out)

#2- should I run tren to test at 2:1 or test to tren 2:1. Or should I run 1:1 (looking to stay around 300mgs or lower of tren/week, dont want to see heavy sides)

#3-should I invest in sleep aids or anything else with this cycle.

Not looking for rude remarks just looking for some help answering these questions. Thanks in advance!

 

[sisir012]

is it your 1st or 2nd cycle? what is your test ester if you use tren a then you should stack with it test p with AI and caber ...because tren is harsh it can cause progestrion related side affect after your cycle you need a perfect PCT from evo.org take care

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sorry Progesterone

 

[Texas13571]

Sisir012 I'm taking Enthate

 

[jp4355]

You made a Beginners Error.

Doing a Long Ester Test, with a Short Ester Tren, you should be doing Test Propionate or Acetate, which are Short Ester Test.

8 Weeks isn't enough time with Test Enanthate, as the Half-Life is roughly 10.5 Days.

And it takes any Hormone 4 to 5 Half-Lives to reach Peak Blood Plasma Levels.................................... JP
P.S.
While you will hear a difference of opinions.
Usually, most guys like doing Higher Test to Tren with the Long Esters.
And Higher Tren to Test with the Short Esters.

 

[muskate]

Check out this video I made on trenbolone brother. It'll answer all of your questions -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/video-trenbolone-explained-47719.html

I really like 10-12 week cycles. As @JP4355 mentioned, I would either use tren ace + test prop OR tren e + test e/cyp.

I recommend running the testosterone higher then tren to keep side effects to a minimum. I really like a dosage of 500mg/week for test and 300mg/week for tren. A little bit of tren goes a long way. I really see no need to ever use more then 300-400mg of tren per week.

A test/tren cycle needs 3 main support supplements:
1. An AI like aromasin to keep estrogen in the low-normal range
2. An anti-prolactin drug like cabergoline to keep prolactin in the low-normal range
3. Cardarine to increase fat loss, endurance and prevent tren related side effects like tren cough

Cardarine isn't talked about much as a support for a cycle with tren but it is fantastic for preventing tren related side effects. Tren is notorious for negatively impacting endurance and causing insulin resistance. Cardarine helps prevent that immensely.

This is how I would run a test/tren cycle:
Weeks 1 - 10
Testosterone e 500mg/week OR Test prop 100-150mg EOD
Tren e 300mg/week OR tren ace 50-75mg EOD
aromasin 10mg EOD
cabergoline 0.25mg EOD
cardarine 20mg/day

After the cycle run the perfect PCT protocol -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[AddarInc]

Have you only done one cycle bro?

 

[Fit_PharmD]

It is in my experience and research to run test at least equal to your tren dose. I ran 600mg/week Test E with 300mg/week Tren E and saw UNBELIEVABLE results. I have 4 cycles under my belt and that cycle stands out among the others by far!
I recommend running test at a higher dose than your tren BC tren is very suppressive and does not aromatize. You need some estrogen in the body and using small amounts of test along side of tren and an AI may lower your estrogen too much.
I think muskate's cycle advice is spot on regarding doses and length. Choosing enanthate or acetate esters really does not matter, whatever you can get a hold of will be fine. It is best to use similar esters if possible as your hormone levels will be more stable.

To answer your question about sleep aids, hold off on using any other meds besides the gear and ancillaries like arimadex and caber. You need to see how you react to the gear first. I had no issues sleeping at all. What you will absolutely need is a towel at night BC tren causes night sweats every night.

Using cardarine and the other Sarms some of the other members recommend is fine. If you have the $ to spend they can help alleviate the potential sides.
Hope this helps,
Fit_PharmD

 

[Texas13571]

Ok thanks for the input guys. I'm ready to hit this s#it now!

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Awesome info man, thanks for helping a bro out! Haha

 

[Texas13571]

Check out this video I made on trenbolone brother. It'll answer all of your questions -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/video-trenbolone-explained-47719.html

I really like 10-12 week cycles. As @JP4355 mentioned, I would either use tren ace + test prop OR tren e + test e/cyp.

I recommend running the testosterone higher then tren to keep side effects to a minimum. I really like a dosage of 500mg/week for test and 300mg/week for tren. A little bit of tren goes a long way. I really see no need to ever use more then 300-400mg of tren per week.

A test/tren cycle needs 3 main support supplements:
1. An AI like aromasin to keep estrogen in the low-normal range
2. An anti-prolactin drug like cabergoline to keep prolactin in the low-normal range
3. Cardarine to increase fat loss, endurance and prevent tren related side effects like tren cough

Cardarine isn't talked about much as a support for a cycle with tren but it is fantastic for preventing tren related side effects. Tren is notorious for negatively impacting endurance and causing insulin resistance. Cardarine helps prevent that immensely.

This is how I would run a test/tren cycle:
Weeks 1 - 10
Testosterone e 500mg/week OR Test prop 100-150mg EOD
Tren e 300mg/week OR tren ace 50-75mg EOD
aromasin 10mg EOD
cabergoline 0.25mg EOD
cardarine 20mg/day

After the cycle run the perfect PCT protocol -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

Any advice on where to pick up aromasin, cabergoline and Carderine?

 

[muskate]

Any advice on where to pick up aromasin, cabergoline and Carderine?

You can order cardarine from sarms1.com

You can order aromasin and cabergoline from ag-guys.com

 

[Texas13571]

You can order cardarine from sarms1.com

You can order aromasin and cabergoline from ag-guys.com

Will any of these cause a false positive on a drug test?

 

[stevesmi]

Will any of these cause a false positive on a drug test?

rec drug tests do not test for those items

if you are tested by WADA they will show up for sure, but i doubt you are an olympian correct?

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

The whole test:tren discussion is an individual thing. You will find just as many guys that prefer higher tren as higher test. You just have to run it both ways and see what you like better.

 

[sisir012]

ok good test e and tren e would be the great stack make sure you have use AI and caber good luck

 

[Jay Scott]

The whole test:tren discussion is an individual thing. You will find just as many guys that prefer higher tren as higher test. You just have to run it both ways and see what you like better.

Well thats the thing. The best combination would be high tren low test.

BUT

Not that many people can handle the tren sides. You lose your libido, the aggression is through the roof, excessive sweating, stamina goes down. If your body does not get all these side effects and you can handle the high tren, then its the most optimal combo.

Otherwise - stick to moderate-high test and low-moderate tren.

 

[Texas13571]

Ok bros, 2.5 weeks in, up to 217lbs!!!! Thinking of throwing anavar into the mix. What's yalls take on it? I feel like this test e is kinda bloating me. 0 sides as of now, sex drive is through the fucking roof lol I'm running 300mg of test e per week and 450mg of tren a per week.

 

[Texas13571]

Well bros 2.5 weeks in and I'm up to 217!!! Running 450mg tren a and 300mg test e. Thinking of throwing anavar into the mix to get that extra cut, any input? I feel like this test is bloating my gut. 0 sides and my sex drive is through the fucking roof! Lol im on my phone and can't figure out how to post pics, sorry bros.

 

[muskate]

Well bros 2.5 weeks in and I'm up to 217!!! Running 450mg tren a and 300mg test e. Thinking of throwing anavar into the mix to get that extra cut, any input? I feel like this test is bloating my gut. 0 sides and my sex drive is through the fucking roof! Lol im on my phone and can't figure out how to post pics, sorry bros.

If you decide to throw anavar into the mix, also include a good liver aid supplement. Tren is pretty harsh on the body and throwing in a liver toxic oral steroid is going to put a lot of stress on your body. Look for a liver aid supplement that contains NAC, TUDCA and milk thistle. I really like the product n2guard from n2bm.com.

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[stevesmi]

Well bros 2.5 weeks in and I'm up to 217!!! Running 450mg tren a and 300mg test e. Thinking of throwing anavar into the mix to get that extra cut, any input? I feel like this test is bloating my gut. 0 sides and my sex drive is through the fucking roof! Lol im on my phone and can't figure out how to post pics, sorry bros.

test and tren can definately bloat. if you aren't running enough AI or anti prolactin that could be it.. also on tren if you do not drink enough the body tends to hold onto water as a cooling mechanism similar to what happens on DNP

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Test does aromatize heavily so it definitely could be estrogen. The other thing too that we forget is just food intake. If you are gaining big then I bet you are eating big.

 

[Jay Scott]

Well bros 2.5 weeks in and I'm up to 217!!! Running 450mg tren a and 300mg test e. Thinking of throwing anavar into the mix to get that extra cut, any input? I feel like this test is bloating my gut. 0 sides and my sex drive is through the fucking roof! Lol im on my phone and can't figure out how to post pics, sorry bros.

I would suggest keeping it as it is.

Most of anavar is faked anyways so you might even get worse bloating from adding 'random' oral to the mix.

As for the bloat - try sorting out which foods do not work well with your body. In a lot of cases its dairy.

 

[Cyclone]

Hey guys !
I not very new to steroids meaning i have taken hgh for couple months and some oral compounds before. Now Im planning to take tren A . My question is that, is it ok if i take 100ml of tren a and 100 ml of test twice a week meaning total 400 ml of tren n test. In your video you said the minimum one can take is 300 ml of tren a which probably means taking every other day. I work out 3 days then rest a day then continue training for 3 days which completes a week. Your advice needed here.
Thanks

 

[awm1981]

Hey guys !
I not very new to steroids meaning i have taken hgh for couple months and some oral compounds before. Now Im planning to take tren A . My question is that, is it ok if i take 100ml of tren a and 100 ml of test twice a week meaning total 400 ml of tren n test. In your video you said the minimum one can take is 300 ml of tren a which probably means taking every other day. I work out 3 days then rest a day then continue training for 3 days which completes a week. Your advice needed here.
Thanks

So you mean MG not ML. 300ML and good luck injecting that much gear!

All joking aside I would say a good first injectable cycle would be test only run at 350-400mg/week for 10-12 weeks.

HGH and a few oral steroid cycles dont mean you are ready for Tren.

Do you have your stats? Age/height/weight/BF, etc?

 

[Cyclone]

Sorry i wanted to say MG not ML.

So as a beginner what dose would u advice ? perhaps 300mg Tren a per week with test?

Suggest me please best way to inject as i really dont want to inject every other day. I workout 3 days and take a day off .

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Im 37, 168cm 92 kg not sure about BF but will do it soon.

 

[Cyclone]

To be honest ive been injecting Tren A 200mg with test propianate 200mg twice a week for last 3 weeks now. Is it ok to do so ? if not please explain why not.
Thank you for the help..

 

[awm1981]

To be honest ive been injecting Tren A 200mg with test propianate 200mg twice a week for last 3 weeks now. Is it ok to do so ? if not please explain why not.
Thank you for the help..

It will work its not optimal though maintaining stead blood concentration levels. Its not going to kill you or give you no results its just not optimal is all.

Its the half life. If its 24 hours and you take every 48 hours it builds in your system then is gone. Think of pain meds. If you let the half life lapse what happens? You are in pain. Same with AAS except you are putting your body on a little bit of a rollercoaster since you are having high levels then letting them drop then jacking them up again as oppsed to keeping it a little more steady.

Again if you feel fine this is all irrelevant continue to do what you are doing.

This is why though I would say if you want to inject only twice a week you need to use longer esters so tren e/test e.

 

[Cyclone]

Thank you for enlightening me.