Approved Log My Dadbod TRT Rebuild Log

[Hilton54]

35 yo male
Current weight 106kg
Height 181cm/ 6 foot
Body fat: classic dadbod.

“Cycle”
Brand new to steroids/supplements/peds. On recommendation of a friend started using test to combat exhaustion, tiredness, low mood, get off SSRIs, get my energy back and hit the gym again.
- For 2 months have been using sustanon 250 at 1ml twice a week intramuscular (so 2ml per week)
- gym 3-5 times a week, usually a 30-40 minute Workout focused on a muscle group + 1km of running.

Negative Side effects:
- minor gyno and nipple growth and sensitivity
- water retention in face neck legs and ankles.
- damaged rotator cuff trying to push limit to fast and poor form near end of workout

Positives:
- Muscle growth arms, shoulders, pecs
- more energy
- more dominate/aplha feeling
- more direct in conversation
- off the SSRIs

Sleep:
On average 11:00pm - 7:00pm broken sleep (kids, dog, carpel tunnel)

Diet:
Shake: Lean protein and collagen daily.
Sporadic everything else trying to stay focused but work/kids get the better of me.

Goal:
Lean but big
Get rid of the gyno
Feel ‘boss’ again!



Photo edited for anonymity

 

[LevButlerov]

35 yo male
Current weight 106kg
Height 181cm/ 6 foot
Body fat: classic dadbod.

“Cycle”
Brand new to steroids/supplements/peds. On recommendation of a friend started using test to combat exhaustion, tiredness, low mood, get off SSRIs, get my energy back and hit the gym again.
- For 2 months have been using sustanon 250 at 1ml twice a week intramuscular (so 2ml per week)
- gym 3-5 times a week, usually a 30-40 minute Workout focused on a muscle group + 1km of running.

Negative Side effects:
- minor gyno and nipple growth and sensitivity
- water retention in face neck legs and ankles.
- damaged rotator cuff trying to push limit to fast and poor form near end of workout

Positives:
- Muscle growth arms, shoulders, pecs
- more energy
- more dominate/aplha feeling
- more direct in conversation
- off the SSRIs

Sleep:
On average 11:00pm - 7:00pm broken sleep (kids, dog, carpel tunnel)

Diet:
Shake: Lean protein and collagen daily.
Sporadic everything else trying to stay focused but work/kids get the better of me.

Goal:
Lean but big
Get rid of the gyno
Feel ‘boss’ again!



Photo edited for anonymity

welcome big full physique @Hilton54, we welcome you to our EVO Family thank you for being open and sharing.

Goal:
Lean but big
Get rid of the gyno
Feel ‘boss’ again!

Your goals are good, but we need to know if that's full gynecomastia. From the picture, looks like basic bodyfat rather than gyno.
Feel boss and lean big recomp we can do easy.

“Cycle”
Brand new to steroids/supplements/peds. On recommendation of a friend started using test to combat exhaustion, tiredness, low mood, get off SSRIs, get my energy back and hit the gym again.
- For 2 months have been using sustanon 250 at 1ml twice a week intramuscular (so 2ml per week)

Please share which gear are you running, and pictures would be a start.
Any Ais you use? any organ liver cycle support?

- gym 3-5 times a week, usually a 30-40 minute Workout focused on a muscle group + 1km of running.

Negative Side effects:
- minor gyno and nipple growth and sensitivity
- water retention in face neck legs and ankles.
- damaged rotator cuff trying to push limit to fast and poor form near end of workout

Positives:
- Muscle growth arms, shoulders, pecs
- more energy
- more dominate/aplha feeling
- more direct in conversation
- off the SSRIs

Sleep:
On average 11:00pm - 7:00pm broken sleep (kids, dog, carpel tunnel)

Diet:
Shake: Lean protein and collagen daily.
Sporadic everything else trying to stay focused but work/kids get the better of me.

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred (every 1-2 weeks)
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

thank you and share more

 

[Hilton54]

welcome big full physique @Hilton54, we welcome you to our EVO Family thank you for being open and sharing.


Your goals are good, but we need to know if that's full gynecomastia. From the picture, looks like basic bodyfat rather than gyno.
Feel boss and lean big recomp we can do easy.


Please share which gear are you running, and pictures would be a start.
Any Ais you use? any organ liver cycle support?


Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred (every 1-2 weeks)
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

thank you and share more

Thanks Mate,

Assuming Gyno because nipped are hell more sensitive, and I’m sure they’re bigger, noticing I’m high beaming through my shirts haha. Currently no AI or organ support… any suggestions?
Only gear I’m running is the sustanon250 at 2ml per week intramuscular.

None of these:
digestive supps
digestive enzymes
multis
probiotics
psyllium husk

Thanks legend.

 

[Hilton54]

To this… I’m about to run out of Sustanon, and looking for advice on what I should be looking for based on the info above.

Cheers all

 

[LevButlerov]

Assuming Gyno because nipped are hell more sensitive, and I’m sure they’re bigger, noticing I’m high beaming through my shirts haha. Currently no AI or organ support… any suggestions?

I think if you know it's gyno, let's do something about it, start tamoxifen 40mgs ed, can you get it?

Only gear I’m running is the sustanon250 at 2ml per week intramuscular.

What brand is this?

None of these:
digestive supps
digestive enzymes
multis
probiotics
psyllium husk

Currently no AI or organ support

Depends on your location, 5mgs aromasin 2x/week to start and for organ liver support I suggest an EVO sponsor n2guard, they support the EVO family and they make n2guard for steroid users, and steroid cycles.
https://n2guard.com
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard/

 

[Hilton54]

I think if you know it's gyno, let's do something about it, start tamoxifen 40mgs ed, can you get it?


What brand is this?



Depends on your location, 5mgs aromasin 2x/week to start and for organ liver support I suggest an EVO sponsor n2guard, they support the EVO family and they make n2guard for steroid users, and steroid cycles.
https://n2guard.com
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard/

Cheers bro.
The brand is AKA labs… ever heard of it? Believe it was sourced via dark web.


Regarding the aromsin is this a good alternative to the tamoxifen if the gyno is minimal?

Location is South Australia.

 

[Hilton54]

4 eggs some bacon for breakfast, black coffee.

Full day ahead of intrastate flights so will struggle to workout. May skip lunch and dinner. With a protein shake thrown in.

Regarding advice on the right test for me, based on this log so far, is sustanon250 the right option, or am I better off looking at something different?

 

[LevButlerov]

Cheers bro.
The brand is AKA labs… ever heard of it? Believe it was sourced via dark web.


Regarding the aromsin is this a good alternative to the tamoxifen if the gyno is minimal?

Location is South Australia.

stay away from the dark web, check our AUssie sub
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/aussie-approved-sources.146/

 

[LevButlerov]

4 eggs some bacon for breakfast, black coffee.

Full day ahead of intrastate flights so will struggle to workout. May skip lunch and dinner. With a protein shake thrown in.

Regarding advice on the right test for me, based on this log so far, is sustanon250 the right option, or am I better off looking at something different?

Is sustanon the right option? hard to say right now as we saw 1 update from you. Have you started pinning it? if yes TRT is the right options for you either way. @Hilton54 You should start adding tamoxifen and keeping closer tabs on diet and training, can you throw up meal pics please?

 

[stevesmi]

This will be a fantastic log I'm looking forward to it

 

[Hilton54]

Is sustanon the right option? hard to say right now as we saw 1 update from you. Have you started pinning it? if yes TRT is the right options for you either way. @Hilton54 You should start adding tamoxifen and keeping closer tabs on diet and training, can you throw up meal pics please?

Hey,

Yes I have been pinning it for 2 months now (1ml a time twice a week so 2 ml a week) , about to run out and so need to reorder as have already halved my dosage waiting to know what to go with now that I’ve found this community…
Pinning intramuscular arms and butt alternating

 

[Mobster]

I'm not seeing any mention of an AI

And 2 x 1ml a week is a cycle and NOT TRT

 

[Hilton54]

I'm not seeing any mention of an AI

And 2 x 1ml a week is a cycle and NOT TRT

Yep, I’ve been running blind to be honest.
How long should I run the cycle? And the what would be the off cycle dosage.

Lev has mentioned I should be on aromsin as an AI which I am looking to do now.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey,

Yes I have been pinning it for 2 months now (1ml a time twice a week so 2 ml a week) , about to run out and so need to reorder as have already halved my dosage waiting to know what to go with now that I’ve found this community…
Pinning intramuscular arms and butt alternating

You should pin sustanon going forward, don't change if working. You need to add tamoxifen and aromasin asap and organ liver support.

You should also start updating us with diet training we are trying to understand. @Hilton54

 

[Hilton54]

Thanks legends,

When you say I should pin Sustanon, what weekly dosage should I be on? And should that be a cycle? Or should it just be steady ongoing dose?

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks legends,

When you say I should pin Sustanon, what weekly dosage should I be on? And should that be a cycle? Or should it just be steady ongoing dose?

I would suggest steady 250mgs/week for now until we clean up the gyno situation and you dial in nutrition training, this is the log start to the rebuild. @Hilton54

 

[Hilton54]

I would suggest steady 250mgs/week for now until we clean up the gyno situation and you dial in nutrition training, this is the log start to the rebuild. @Hilton54

Cheers mate.
Yep so that’s essentially 1ml per week, would you suggest doing two injections at .5ml each or once a week for full dose?

 

[ceo]

Bros. 35 years old. Now is the time to get in the best shape of your life. Let's hit this one hard.

 

[ROIDDERS]

dad bod for aussie standards not like dad bod for USA standards lol.

you gonna kill this one.

 

[chesty]

ha that is funny. kids, dog for sleep issues. keep them out of the room!

 

[Ulter]

i would dump the shakes to be honest.

they aren't working and you should stick to real food IMO

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

APPROVED LOG

 

[e2]

I'm looking forward to following this one.
I think your base is pretty good. Don't give yourself a hard time for having the dad bod.

 

[2Thick]

You're gonna do good on this one. Trust me.

Be careful with those Gyno issues going forward.

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

I think you should start with diet and cardio and then go from there. This is going to help you get the best results.

 

[Wootoom]

Definitely the Aussie guys will get you situated with a quality source.

You never want to use a bad one

 

[Hilton54]

Definitely the Aussie guys will get you situated with a quality source.

You never want to use a bad one

Thanks, yeah I’m about to start working with liquid gold labs, as it is very obvious to me now that the guy I was getting it through doesn’t really know what he is doing…

 

[Hilton54]

I think you should start with diet and cardio and then go from there. This is going to help you get the best results.

Yep agreed. Are you suggesting not to run the TRT as a base though?

 

[Hilton54]

You're gonna do good on this one. Trust me.

Be careful with those Gyno issues going forward.

Thanks Bro

 

[Hilton54]

I'm looking forward to following this one.
I think your base is pretty good. Don't give yourself a hard time for having the dad bod.

Thanks Bro, yeah it’s amazing to find a community like this makes a big difference when most people in your life aren’t that focused on improving their physique

 

[Hilton54]

i would dump the shakes to be honest.

they aren't working and you should stick to real food IMO

Yeah? I mean they are very expensive each month on top of the gear as well…
But i am worried about getting the right protein, as im often travelling for work and meal balance is a true challenge

 

[Hilton54]

dad bod for aussie standards not like dad bod for USA standards lol.

you gonna kill this one.

Thanks Bro

 

[Hilton54]

Bros. 35 years old. Now is the time to get in the best shape of your life. Let's hit this one hard.

Appreciate the support Bro

 

[LevButlerov]

Cheers mate.
Yep so that’s essentially 1ml per week, would you suggest doing two injections at .5ml each or once a week for full dose?

1/2 ml (0.5ml) 2x/week to start but did you get tamoxifen and aromasin and organ support? @Hilton54

 

[Hilton54]

1/2 ml (0.5ml) 2x/week to start but did you get tamoxifen and aromasin and organ support? @Hilton54

Have ordered the aromasin and tamoxifen can you advice on how long to take each of these for and what dosage?

The Organ n2guard support is not available in Australia, I’m trying to work out an alternative

35 yo male
Current weight 106kg
Height 181cm/ 6 foot
Body fat: classic dadbod.

“Cycle”
Brand new to steroids/supplements/peds. On recommendation of a friend started using test to combat exhaustion, tiredness, low mood, get off SSRIs, get my energy back and hit the gym again.
- For 2 months have been using sustanon 250 at 1ml twice a week intramuscular (so 2ml per week)
- gym 3-5 times a week, usually a 30-40 minute Workout focused on a muscle group + 1km of running.

Negative Side effects:
- minor gyno and nipple growth and sensitivity
- water retention in face neck legs and ankles.
- damaged rotator cuff trying to push limit to fast and poor form near end of workout

Positives:
- Muscle growth arms, shoulders, pecs
- more energy
- more dominate/aplha feeling
- more direct in conversation
- off the SSRIs

Sleep:
On average 11:00pm - 7:00pm broken sleep (kids, dog, carpel tunnel)

Diet:
Shake: Lean protein and collagen daily.
Sporadic everything else trying to stay focused but work/kids get the better of me.

Goal:
Lean but big
Get rid of the gyno
Feel ‘boss’ again!



Photo edited for anonymity

 

[Hilton54]

Ok So, Sunday Here in Australia.bit of a blow out over the weekend with a family members birthday and events.

Gym today for some cardio, and then legs.

I’m going to eliminate Carbs for 1 week to drop a little water weight and bloating.

Keen to dial in the diet after that and get the fresh gear on the go.

 

[LevButlerov]

Have ordered the aromasin and tamoxifen can you advice on how long to take each of these for and what dosage?

The Organ n2guard support is not available in Australia, I’m trying to work out an alternative

Depends on the rest you can start 20mgs tamoxifen ed and 5mgs eod aromasin. @Hilton54

 

[LevButlerov]

Ok So, Sunday Here in Australia.bit of a blow out over the weekend with a family members birthday and events.

Gym today for some cardio, and then legs.

I’m going to eliminate Carbs for 1 week to drop a little water weight and bloating.

Keen to dial in the diet after that and get the fresh gear on the go.

Share actual reps and reps and weights please.

 

[ballin2504]

35 yo male
Current weight 106kg
Height 181cm/ 6 foot
Body fat: classic dadbod.

“Cycle”
Brand new to steroids/supplements/peds. On recommendation of a friend started using test to combat exhaustion, tiredness, low mood, get off SSRIs, get my energy back and hit the gym again.
- For 2 months have been using sustanon 250 at 1ml twice a week intramuscular (so 2ml per week)
- gym 3-5 times a week, usually a 30-40 minute Workout focused on a muscle group + 1km of running.

Negative Side effects:
- minor gyno and nipple growth and sensitivity
- water retention in face neck legs and ankles.
- damaged rotator cuff trying to push limit to fast and poor form near end of workout

Positives:
- Muscle growth arms, shoulders, pecs
- more energy
- more dominate/aplha feeling
- more direct in conversation
- off the SSRIs

Sleep:
On average 11:00pm - 7:00pm broken sleep (kids, dog, carpel tunnel)

Diet:
Shake: Lean protein and collagen daily.
Sporadic everything else trying to stay focused but work/kids get the better of me.

Goal:
Lean but big
Get rid of the gyno
Feel ‘boss’ again!



Photo edited for anonymity

@Hilton54 nice start to the log man I think you have good goals set for yourself.

 

[Hilton54]

@Hilton54 nice start to the log man I think you have good goals set for yourself.

Thanks for the support man

 

[Hilton54]

Brunch: (no breakfast)

3 black coffees

Organic Bacon (airfryed) and 3 eggs



12:50pm

3 sets, 8, 6, 5 reps - unassisted pull ups

7 minutes running (1.2km (.75miles)) slight incline

5 minutes cycle (2.25km (1.4miles))

Seated leg press 3 sets of 12 @85kg(187lb)

And

Leg curl machine 3 set of 8 @60kg (154lb)

Leg extension machine 3 sets of 8 @68kg (149lb)

Standing Calf machine 3 sets of 10 @65kg (144lb)

Walking cool down 0.25 km

Low row cables 3 sets of 12 @57kg (trying to strengthen back due to rotator cuff damage so always throw a little back into every workout)

1:40pm done.



Lunch: lean protein and collagen shake.
Plus pinned 250mg sustanon (1ml) to the arse.

 

[Noah Wixx]

35 yo male
Current weight 106kg
Height 181cm/ 6 foot
Body fat: classic dadbod.

“Cycle”
Brand new to steroids/supplements/peds. On recommendation of a friend started using test to combat exhaustion, tiredness, low mood, get off SSRIs, get my energy back and hit the gym again.
- For 2 months have been using sustanon 250 at 1ml twice a week intramuscular (so 2ml per week)
- gym 3-5 times a week, usually a 30-40 minute Workout focused on a muscle group + 1km of running.

Negative Side effects:
- minor gyno and nipple growth and sensitivity
- water retention in face neck legs and ankles.
- damaged rotator cuff trying to push limit to fast and poor form near end of workout

Positives:
- Muscle growth arms, shoulders, pecs
- more energy
- more dominate/aplha feeling
- more direct in conversation
- off the SSRIs

Sleep:
On average 11:00pm - 7:00pm broken sleep (kids, dog, carpel tunnel)

Diet:
Shake: Lean protein and collagen daily.
Sporadic everything else trying to stay focused but work/kids get the better of me.

Goal:
Lean but big
Get rid of the gyno
Feel ‘boss’ again!



Photo edited for anonymity

@Hilton54 the friend didn't even tell you or inform you that you need to take anti estrogen medication with test ? He set you up for failure man, id be upset at that and getting gyno.

 

[Hilton54]

@Hilton54 the friend didn't even tell you or inform you that you need to take anti estrogen medication with test ? He set you up for failure man, id be upset at that and getting gyno.

Yeah… pretty shitty ay! I asked him about it and it’s clear to me he is also flying blind and probably doing waaaayyy to much other gear without really knowing what he’s doing.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Brunch: (no breakfast)

3 black coffees

Organic Bacon (airfryed) and 3 eggs



12:50pm

3 sets, 8, 6, 5 reps - unassisted pull ups

7 minutes running (1.2km (.75miles)) slight incline

5 minutes cycle (2.25km (1.4miles))

Seated leg press 3 sets of 12 @85kg(187lb)

And

Leg curl machine 3 set of 8 @60kg (154lb)

Leg extension machine 3 sets of 8 @68kg (149lb)

Standing Calf machine 3 sets of 10 @65kg (144lb)

Walking cool down 0.25 km

Low row cables 3 sets of 12 @57kg (trying to strengthen back due to rotator cuff damage so always throw a little back into every workout)

1:40pm done.



Lunch: lean protein and collagen shake.
Plus pinned 250mg sustanon (1ml) to the arse.




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@Hilton54 eggs and bacon meal of champs bro how much was cardio in the end? total time?

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Yeah… pretty shitty ay! I asked him about it and it’s clear to me he is also flying blind and probably doing waaaayyy to much other gear without really knowing what he’s doing.

it happens now you got the EVO family to support you bro

 

[Hilton54]

@Hilton54 eggs and bacon meal of champs bro how much was cardio in the end? total time?

Haha, yep, thanks Bro.
It was 14-15 minutes cardio total

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Haha, yep, thanks Bro.
It was 14-15 minutes cardio total

gots to up that cardio to 30min bro

 

[RoySimpson]

35 yo male
Current weight 106kg
Height 181cm/ 6 foot
Body fat: classic dadbod.

“Cycle”
Brand new to steroids/supplements/peds. On recommendation of a friend started using test to combat exhaustion, tiredness, low mood, get off SSRIs, get my energy back and hit the gym again.
- For 2 months have been using sustanon 250 at 1ml twice a week intramuscular (so 2ml per week)
- gym 3-5 times a week, usually a 30-40 minute Workout focused on a muscle group + 1km of running.

Negative Side effects:
- minor gyno and nipple growth and sensitivity
- water retention in face neck legs and ankles.
- damaged rotator cuff trying to push limit to fast and poor form near end of workout

Positives:
- Muscle growth arms, shoulders, pecs
- more energy
- more dominate/aplha feeling
- more direct in conversation
- off the SSRIs

Sleep:
On average 11:00pm - 7:00pm broken sleep (kids, dog, carpel tunnel)

Diet:
Shake: Lean protein and collagen daily.
Sporadic everything else trying to stay focused but work/kids get the better of me.

Goal:
Lean but big
Get rid of the gyno
Feel ‘boss’ again!



Photo edited for anonymity

@Hilton54 While you're seeing some positive changes, the gyno, water retention, and rotator cuff injury are serious concerns. Prioritize proper form to avoid further injuries. A structured diet and better sleep are crucial for your goals.

 

[Hilton54]

@Hilton54 While you're seeing some positive changes, the gyno, water retention, and rotator cuff injury are serious concerns. Prioritize proper form to avoid further injuries. A structured diet and better sleep are crucial for your goals.

Thanks Bro,
I’ve gone and had acupuncture today for the shoulder and working on slowing down form.
Have ordered aromasin and tamoxifen to address the water retention and gyno. Open to as much advice as possible on best way to use this and for how long etc.

 

[25homes]

Def following this one

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Thanks Bro,
I’ve gone and had acupuncture today for the shoulder and working on slowing down form.
Have ordered aromasin and tamoxifen to address the water retention and gyno. Open to as much advice as possible on best way to use this and for how long etc.

@Hilton54 start doing infrared lamps on the shoulder bro have you?

 

[Hilton54]

Massive improvement on rotator cuff after a few days rest and acupuncture. Still about twinge and some tightness in movement. Any advice on getting back into chest and shoulders, bench press etc?

 

[Hilton54]

gots to up that cardio to 30min bro

Today got it to 34 minutes before nearly dying haha! Struggled to do a full weight workout after, but definitely feel good!

 

[LevButlerov]

Massive improvement on rotator cuff after a few days rest and acupuncture. Still about twinge and some tightness in movement. Any advice on getting back into chest and shoulders, bench press etc?

I would not do any bench or chest or shoulders for another week.

 

[LevButlerov]

Today got it to 34 minutes before nearly dying haha! Struggled to do a full weight workout after, but definitely feel good!

Cardio is going to be your key here.

 

[Hilton54]

Ok so have received my
25mg aromasin tablets
And
20mg tamoxifen tablets

How and when should I be taking these?
As in morning with food or…
How long duration for each.

This is whilst pining 1ml of sustanon250 a week.

 

[Hilton54]

Ok so have received my
25mg aromasin tablets
And
20mg tamoxifen tablets

How and when should I be taking these?
As in morning with food or…
How long duration for each.

This is whilst pining 1ml of sustanon250 a week.

Note id like to increase the sustanon again up to 2ml (500mg) a week as felt freaking BOSS on that amount.

 

[LevButlerov]

Ok so have received my
25mg aromasin tablets
And
20mg tamoxifen tablets

How and when should I be taking these?
As in morning with food or…
How long duration for each.

This is whilst pining 1ml of sustanon250 a week.

cut the aromasin into 4 pieces and take 1 ever other day
tamoxifen same thing 4 cut and eod

but whats your other updates like? @Hilton54

Note id like to increase the sustanon again up to 2ml (500mg) a week as felt freaking BOSS on that amount.

if you want to up it you need lower E2

 

[Hilton54]

Massive painful hard lump after pinning .5ml of sustanon250 into butt yesterday! I’ve had small hard lumps after a pin before but this is new! Sort of size of a golf ball! Any ideas.

No blood in the syringe when injecting
Straight into top right of butt cheek.

 

[Allupfromhere]

What pin size did you use bro?

 

[Hilton54]

What pin size did you use bro?

23gauge.

Been doing it twice weekly for 2-3 months now.
This was first go out of a new batch and new supplier (Liquid Gold Labs.)

 

[Allupfromhere]

23gauge.

Been doing it twice weekly for 2-3 months now.
This was first go out of a new batch and new supplier (Liquid Gold Labs.)

Sorry I should have said pin length. Can happen if you dont shoot deep enough or if you shoot to quick. But if you had already been doing it for months with no drama not sure whats happening now. Should try move to a 25g pin for long term too mate doesn't seem like much but will help little with scar tissue if you dont rotate injection sites enough.

 

[Hilton54]

Sorry I should have said pin length. Can happen if you dont shoot deep enough or if you shoot to quick. But if you had already been doing it for months with no drama not sure whats happening now. Should try move to a 25g pin for long term too mate doesn't seem like much but will help little with scar tissue if you dont rotate injection sites enough.

Thanks Bro, yeah it’s only a 1 inch length.
I roll try getting hold of some 25g longer ones

 

[LevButlerov]

Massive painful hard lump after pinning .5ml of sustanon250 into butt yesterday! I’ve had small hard lumps after a pin before but this is new! Sort of size of a golf ball! Any ideas.

No blood in the syringe when injecting
Straight into top right of butt cheek.

23gauge.

Been doing it twice weekly for 2-3 months now.
This was first go out of a new batch and new supplier (Liquid Gold Labs.)

Thanks Bro, yeah it’s only a 1 inch length.
I roll try getting hold of some 25g longer ones

You should warm up the sustanon first before injecting with a pin on top.

what brand are you using? @Hilton54

 

[Hilton54]

You should warm up the sustanon first before injecting with a pin on top.

what brand are you using? @Hilton54

Hey bro, I got it through Liquid Gold Labs, a ugl I found on here.

How do you warm it up, like just hold the syringe to transfer body heat?

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey bro, I got it through Liquid Gold Labs, a ugl I found on here.

How do you warm it up, like just hold the syringe to transfer body heat?

Heat up pan with water in it, around 1/2 the level of the bottle so not much water.
Check the water is HOT but NOT boiling.
Put a pin (no syringe just needed) in the top, 3/4 needle sticking out 1/4 inside vial.
Put the vial into the water pin sticking up so just bottom of the vial is in the water warming up, as it warms swirl it and mix it let the extra BA come out. @Hilton54

@Pigsy @Liquid Gold Labs

 

[Pigsy]

Heat up pan with water in it, around 1/2 the level of the bottle so not much water.
Check the water is HOT but NOT boiling.
Put a pin (no syringe just needed) in the top, 3/4 needle sticking out 1/4 inside vial.
Put the vial into the water pin sticking up so just bottom of the vial is in the water warming up, as it warms swirl it and mix it let the extra BA come out. @Hilton54

@Pigsy @Liquid Gold Labs

Warming up usually helps, and do vent the vial when warming up. I don't sus so can't comment on it. And sure you push all the way in on the 1 inch. As I use @Liquid Gold Labs Test e, without issue.

 

[LevButlerov]

Warming up usually helps, and do vent the vial when warming up. I don't sus so can't comment on it. And sure you push all the way in on the 1 inch. As I use @Liquid Gold Labs Test e, without issue.

Sustanon usually higher PIP not just due to esters but BA/BB concentration with the esters.

 

[Pigsy]

Sustanon usually higher PIP not just due to esters but BA/BB concentration with the esters.

Never used it, never saw the point

 

[LevButlerov]

Never used it, never saw the point

I agree many times no need for sustanon, but on TRT its really good for guys who want to pin every 2 weeks.

 

[Hilton54]

I agree many times no need for sustanon, but on TRT its really good for guys who want to pin every 2 weeks.

Ok so what would you guys recommend going to!
Happy to pin twice weekly.
Want something to boost energy and speed up healing and speed up the growth and development.
Only using sustanon because that’s what I got to start with. I am green on all things in this space.
What should I be using?
@LevButlerov @Pigsy

 

[Hilton54]

Also… today I experimented by pinning into my other arse cheek another batch I managed to get hands on .5ml sustanon and no pain no problem no swelling…

 

[LevButlerov]

Ok so what would you guys recommend going to!
Happy to pin twice weekly.
Want something to boost energy and speed up healing and speed up the growth and development.
Only using sustanon because that’s what I got to start with. I am green on all things in this space.
What should I be using?
@LevButlerov @Pigsy

250mgs sustanon/week to start and going up every few weeks. @Hilton54

Also… today I experimented by pinning into my other arse cheek another batch I managed to get hands on .5ml sustanon and no pain no problem no swelling…

.5ml easy right see.

 

[Hilton54]

250mgs sustanon/week to start and going up every few weeks. @Hilton54

.5ml easy right see.

Thanks Lev, kinda confused now though because above @Pigsy and yourself are saying you don’t see the point in sustanon. I’m happy to switch to something better, or different or more suitable.

 

[Pigsy]

Thanks Lev, kinda confused now though because above @Pigsy and yourself are saying you don’t see the point in sustanon. I’m happy to switch to something better, or different or more suitable.

I don't see a point in sustanon for needs. If sustanon, just stay with it.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Thanks Lev, kinda confused now though because above @Pigsy and yourself are saying you don’t see the point in sustanon. I’m happy to switch to something better, or different or more suitable.

@Pigsy is a pro he means if you not on it dont use it but if you on it pin it bro

whats up with your training? no updates

 

[Hilton54]

Heat up pan with water in it, around 1/2 the level of the bottle so not much water.
Check the water is HOT but NOT boiling.
Put a pin (no syringe just needed) in the top, 3/4 needle sticking out 1/4 inside vial.
Put the vial into the water pin sticking up so just bottom of the vial is in the water warming up, as it warms swirl it and mix it let the extra BA come out. @Hilton54

@Pigsy @Liquid Gold Labs

Yo so I did this the heat up as instructed. then did a little experiment .2ml as a test in one butt cheek and did .5ml of another batch old supply in the other cheek. The new batch .2ml immediate pain and mild PiP so I stopped…the old batch no problem…
Arghhhh wtf is going on!

 

[LevButlerov]

Yo so I did this the heat up as instructed. then did a little experiment .2ml as a test in one butt cheek and did .5ml of another batch old supply in the other cheek. The new batch .2ml immediate pain and mild PiP so I stopped…the old batch no problem…
Arghhhh wtf is going on!

You heated up with the pin on top? take a picture please. @Hilton54

 

[Hilton54]

You heated up with the pin on top? take a picture please. @Hilton54

 

[Hilton54]

Done a fair bit of research on this. It’s gotta be the BA or the EO concentration in this brew. It has a notable yellow tinge which makes me think it’s hi EO… so I may be reacting to that. But the fact that it hurts/ burns going in even slow injected make me think it may be high ba%
Thoughts crew?

 

[LevButlerov]

Done a fair bit of research on this. It’s gotta be the BA or the EO concentration in this brew. It has a notable yellow tinge which makes me think it’s hi EO… so I may be reacting to that. But the fact that it hurts/ burns going in even slow injected make me think it may be high ba%
Thoughts crew?

Usually even EO solutions use BA with a base ands some BB, how long did you heat it up for? @Hilton54
@Liquid Gold Labs @Pigsy chime in please.

 

[Pigsy]

Usually even EO solutions use BA with a base ands some BB, how long did you heat it up for? @Hilton54
@Liquid Gold Labs @Pigsy chime in please.

I used Test e 250mg, NPP, Primo 250mg, Mast e 250mg and Tren a all from @Liquid Gold Labs with no issues at all. I never used sustanon so I can't say what it's like.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I used Test e 250mg, NPP, Primo 250mg, Mast e 250mg and Tren a all from @Liquid Gold Labs with no issues at all. I never used sustanon so I can't say what it's like.

@Hilton54 read this bro you should switch to test instead of sustanon

 

[Hilton54]

@Hilton54 read this bro you should switch to test instead of sustanon

Yeah! I’m happy to do that! As in to Test E?

What’s the difference? And why would i be using Sust to begin with (reminder I was advised by a mate… not specialist)

 

[Hilton54]

Usually even EO solutions use BA with a base ands some BB, how long did you heat it up for? @Hilton54
@Liquid Gold Labs @Pigsy chime in please.

5-6 minutes in some pretty hot water. Solution was warm when I pulled it into the syringe.

 

[Woodiee]

May or may not be the case here but when cleaning the pin area with alcohol wipe, you are letting it dry completely? Including the vial. I've rushed my pins for a few times and it does have a burn to it.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Yeah! I’m happy to do that! As in to Test E?

What’s the difference? And why would i be using Sust to begin with (reminder I was advised by a mate… not specialist)

@Hilton54 testosterone has less PIP im talking about enanthate bro much less than sustanon

 

[Hilton54]

@Hilton54 testosterone has less PIP im talking about enanthate bro much less than sustanon

Thanks Bro, is there any reason people choose something like sustanon over enanthate then? Like I’m all for switching to something else if it’s gunna give me the results, energy confidence etc

 

[Hilton54]

May or may not be the case here but when cleaning the pin area with alcohol wipe, you are letting it dry completely? Including the vial. I've rushed my pins for a few times and it does have a burn to it.

Yeah good advice l, I do try to.
What’s the secret to keeping the pin you’ll inject with dry? Like I always push out a few drops to get the air bubbles out but the ln the tip is wet…

 

[Woodiee]

Yeah good advice l, I do try to.
What’s the secret to keeping the pin you’ll inject with dry? Like I always push out a few drops to get the air bubbles out but the ln the tip is wet…

That's fine to have oil on the needle, I was more talking about when you wipe the top of the vial clean with an alcohol wipe.. make sure you let that dry before you draw up the oil... As well as the injection site, let that dry for a good minute after cleaning too... It might not be the reason for your burning.. but it's good practice to use.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Thanks Bro, is there any reason people choose something like sustanon over enanthate then? Like I’m all for switching to something else if it’s gunna give me the results, energy confidence etc

@Hilton54 sustanon is mainly a TRT steroid, you can in theory inject it every 2 weeks bro due to the long half life of some of the esters
in practice for bodybuilding its no different than pinning enanthate, just has more PiP
if you're 65 and need TRT 1/2 ml of sustanon is perfect but for your goals, you're far from the situation

 

[Hilton54]

@Hilton54 sustanon is mainly a TRT steroid, you can in theory inject it every 2 weeks bro due to the long half life of some of the esters
in practice for bodybuilding its no different than pinning enanthate, just has more PiP
if you're 65 and need TRT 1/2 ml of sustanon is perfect but for your goals, you're far from the situation

Thanks Bro, this is awesome

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Thanks Bro, this is awesome

you should listen to the latest podcast about TRT bro @Hilton54
https://www.evolutionary.org/evolut...rts-trt-vs-bodybuilding-trt-with-euro-pharma/

 

[Hilton54]

Ok! Been a while since posting!
Been on quite the journey! Currently 95.8kg
Decent drop since the 106kg!

Diet now under control!
Cut the booze completely
Gym 6 days a week (2 cardio days)
8000-10000 steps per day

Stack:
2.5mg Reta (split into 1.25 twice weekly)
Pinning daily 2mg TestE
20mg anavar every now and then when energy dips

thinking is like to add another element and lose the anavar/orals… I’ve seen that EQ may be a good option!

 

[LevButlerov]

Ok! Been a while since posting!
Been on quite the journey! Currently 95.8kg
Decent drop since the 106kg!

Diet now under control!
Cut the booze completely
Gym 6 days a week (2 cardio days)
8000-10000 steps per day

Stack:
2.5mg Reta (split into 1.25 twice weekly)
Pinning daily 2mg TestE
20mg anavar every now and then when energy dips

thinking is like to add another element and lose the anavar/orals… I’ve seen that EQ may be a good option!

welcome back to the EVO family! @Hilton54 havent seen you in a year.

get some updated pics up and you do bloods?

 

[Hilton54]

 

[LevButlerov]

View attachment 185327

Good updated pics

did you do bloodwork?

 

[Hilton54]

Hey All,, travelling to NZ from Aus, planning to decant a small enough amount of test to get me through th trip into a small BPCvial…
Only catch is there’s a few drops of BAC water in the empty vial… this shouldn’t be a problem should it???

 

[Hilton54]

Good updated pics

did you do bloodwork?

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey All,, travelling to NZ from Aus, planning to decant a small enough amount of test to get me through th trip into a small BPCvial…
Only catch is there’s a few drops of BAC water in the empty vial… this shouldn’t be a problem should it???

how long is your trip? @Hilton54