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John Carmack said:
I like this guys, he knows things well. He suggests staying on TRT, HCG and FSH. He says he does not know about HMG dosing as he has no experience with it. But FSH is expensive. He also suggests not to use clomid/tamoxifen as it causes issues with women and there are no studies of its effects on men. I was a part of his closed paid group for a couple of months and I have seen people having kids successfully being on TRT + HCG + FSH. Also Indian HCG can vary in doses so better to stick with pharma HCG.

Dont remember the doses, but he has it covered in the video. No idea where you would get FSH OR IF HMG is equally good.

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Here is a link that covers various HCG doses of Indian HCGs. Some are seriously overdosed and some are underdosed.

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total trash info brother he knows nothing about actual hcg use
 
Bro, I'm going through similar situation. However, in my case instead of staying on TRT I decided to do a full TPC (completely off everything) with Clomid/Novaldex HMG and HCG for about a month (May), then I dropped the HMG since the $ was too high, the second month I dropped the HCG and Novaldex too (Jun). I then went overseas for 5 weeks and was off everything and did my bloods there on my last week of the holidays (Aug), my Testosterone and E2 was back within range so was my LH and FSH. My sperm count was 153M and everything else in normal ranges such as the mortality rate and etc. That said we still praying for the baby Gods to bless us. It's a waiting game and we only have a shot once a month but don't stress too much.
 
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bss said:
Bro, I'm going through similar situation. However, in my case instead of staying on TRT I decided to do a full TPC (completely off everything) with Clomid/Novaldex HMG and HCG for about a month (May), then I dropped the HMG since the $ was too high, the second month I dropped the HCG and Novaldex too (Jun). I then went overseas for 5 weeks and was off everything and did my bloods there on my last week of the holidays (Aug), my Testosterone and E2 was back within range so was my LH and FSH. My sperm count was 153M and everything else in normal ranges such as the mortality rate and etc. That said we still praying for the baby Gods to bless us. It's a waiting game and we only have a shot once a month but don't stress too much.
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@bss you're back havent seen you in a while EVO family missed you :D
you still training dieting?
You should update your log with your situation
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/cycle-and-training-log.99878/
 
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bss said:
Bro, I'm going through similar situation. However, in my case instead of staying on TRT I decided to do a full TPC (completely off everything) with Clomid/Novaldex HMG and HCG for about a month (May), then I dropped the HMG since the $ was too high, the second month I dropped the HCG and Novaldex too (Jun). I then went overseas for 5 weeks and was off everything and did my bloods there on my last week of the holidays (Aug), my Testosterone and E2 was back within range so was my LH and FSH. My sperm count was 153M and everything else in normal ranges such as the mortality rate and etc. That said we still praying for the baby Gods to bless us. It's a waiting game and we only have a shot once a month but don't stress too much.
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Ayyy that’s fantastic! I’m going to get the proper semen analysis done today but I’m kinda nervous 😬 but I’m going to do it anyway

Once I get that back I should have a better understanding of what’s happening and hopefully an improved outcome from the at home test but not holding my breath.. don’t want to get too excited and it all be for nothing.
 
bss said:
Bro, I'm going through similar situation. However, in my case instead of staying on TRT I decided to do a full TPC (completely off everything) with Clomid/Novaldex HMG and HCG for about a month (May), then I dropped the HMG since the $ was too high, the second month I dropped the HCG and Novaldex too (Jun). I then went overseas for 5 weeks and was off everything and did my bloods there on my last week of the holidays (Aug), my Testosterone and E2 was back within range so was my LH and FSH. My sperm count was 153M and everything else in normal ranges such as the mortality rate and etc. That said we still praying for the baby Gods to bless us. It's a waiting game and we only have a shot once a month but don't stress too much.
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Were you on cycle for a while?

I was on for the last year so I’m thinking that’s why it hasn’t really “bounced” back 😅

@Wolfenstein maybe we can experiment with this and see what’s working 😝
 
bss said:
Hey Lev! Sorry I was looking on my phone and didn't see it lol

I'm currently waiting for @Wolfenstein to start logging again.

Soon I will be creating a new log with my new tranning/routine as soon as I get my package delivered 💪

You guys will hear from me pretty soon ;)
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That's going to be an epic Log I see it :D @bss
 
CypherOCE said:
I’ve done the proper sperm analysis today so hopefully have results back this week but not holding my breath for anything new and exciting

Also started TRT so hopefully within a few weeks I can sort myself out and start to feel somewhat normal again
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How long has it been since your last ejaculation? I first tested mine after about 14 days (between ejaculations) and got 50M sperm count. Then I tested again after about 4 days and got 153M, a big difference.
 
CypherOCE said:
It’s already super high from cutting weight hahaha 🤣💀 hopefully the reverse diet out of the cut will help things along
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Make sure you are eating enough fat (I usually got 1-1, if 80kg of BW = 80g of fat) and also taking the vitamins to support your hormones production and sperm health such as:

Lecithin: 5g 2x/day → boosts semen volume.
L-Carnitine: 2g/day → improves sperm motility.
Zinc: 30mg/day → supports prostate fluid.

Also avoid hot baths/saunas and tight underwear the heat can kill sperms and effect oxygenation.
 
bss said:
Make sure you are eating enough fat (I usually got 1-1, if 80kg of BW = 80g of fat) and also taking the vitamins to support your hormones production and sperm health such as:

Lecithin: 5g 2x/day → boosts semen volume.
L-Carnitine: 2g/day → improves sperm motility.
Zinc: 30mg/day → supports prostate fluid.

Also avoid hot baths/saunas and tight underwear the heat can kill sperms and effect oxygenation.
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Fats yes but mainly saturated fats and omega 3 is what @CypherOCE needs.
 
This week so far has been pretty good, probably placebo but I feel a bit better mentally.

TRT has started and still waiting on the result from the sperm analysis 🧐 hopefully by tomorrow? 😅 kinda eager to see and also nervous 😬

I think I’ll have to sharpen up the food intake and see if there’s any natural way to increase volume for the swimmers 😅 other than that I think I’m doing everything I can to the best of my abilities, the rest god willingly will happen with time

Also trying my best to hunt down some highly purified FSH

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I have heard from multiple people now that have tried it via doctors etc that this is the gold standard for male infertility, so I’m hoping I can find a source for it. Failing that I’ll have to see a endocrinologist to get it prescribed
 
CypherOCE said:
This week so far has been pretty good, probably placebo but I feel a bit better mentally.

TRT has started and still waiting on the result from the sperm analysis 🧐 hopefully by tomorrow? 😅 kinda eager to see and also nervous 😬

I think I’ll have to sharpen up the food intake and see if there’s any natural way to increase volume for the swimmers 😅 other than that I think I’m doing everything I can to the best of my abilities, the rest god willingly will happen with time

Also trying my best to hunt down some highly purified FSH

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I have heard from multiple people now that have tried it via doctors etc that this is the gold standard for male infertility, so I’m hoping I can find a source for it. Failing that I’ll have to see a endocrinologist to get it prescribed
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I've got my HMG (contains both LH and FSH) from Raptor if that helps.
 
Aryans (aka east Europeans descent) have generally one of the worst HPTA up-regulations this of course is a broad generalisation but it hold true.

I wish you the very best friend; if you manage to conceive, try to freeze some sperm for future just incase you want jump on.

Goodluck!

PS: this could be anecdotal or placebo; but from years of abuse, generally muscle mass needs to go down to ~25ng/ml Test range for things to get working again with HPTA, ie body needs to establish homeostasis, i haven't found study to back it up.
 
StoryOfTheProphet said:
Aryans (aka east Europeans descent) have generally one of the worst HPTA up-regulations this of course is a broad generalisation but it hold true.

I wish you the very best friend; if you manage to conceive, try to freeze some sperm for future just incase you want jump on.

Goodluck!

PS: this could be anecdotal or placebo; but from years of abuse, generally muscle mass needs to go down to ~25ng/ml Test range for things to get working again with HPTA, ie body needs to establish homeostasis, i haven't found study to back it up.
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Eastern euro genetics hahaha 😩 a blessing and a curse it seems
 
StoryOfTheProphet said:
Aryans (aka east Europeans descent) have generally one of the worst HPTA up-regulations this of course is a broad generalisation but it hold true.

I wish you the very best friend; if you manage to conceive, try to freeze some sperm for future just incase you want jump on.

Goodluck!

PS: this could be anecdotal or placebo; but from years of abuse, generally muscle mass needs to go down to ~25ng/ml Test range for things to get working again with HPTA, ie body needs to establish homeostasis, i haven't found study to back it up.
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Sorry but this post is all highly speculative, mixture of misinformation, racial pseudoscience, and anecdotal bro-science.

But I agree where it says you should freeze some sperms once you get it all going again, or next time you cycle again remember to keep taking HCG as part of the cycle (note to self 😅).

Recovery of spermatogenesis after stopping testosterone or steroid use can take 3–24 months to restore HPTA function, so it's just a waiting game at this point.

Good luck 🤞 🍀
 
StoryOfTheProphet said:
Aryans (aka east Europeans descent) have generally one of the worst HPTA up-regulations this of course is a broad generalisation but it hold true.

I wish you the very best friend; if you manage to conceive, try to freeze some sperm for future just incase you want jump on.

Goodluck!

PS: this could be anecdotal or placebo; but from years of abuse, generally muscle mass needs to go down to ~25ng/ml Test range for things to get working again with HPTA, ie body needs to establish homeostasis, i haven't found study to back it up.
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bss said:
Sorry but this post is all highly speculative, mixture of misinformation, racial pseudoscience, and anecdotal bro-science.

But I agree where it says you should freeze some sperms once you get it all going again, or next time you cycle again remember to keep taking HCG as part of the cycle (note to self 😅).

Recovery of spermatogenesis after stopping testosterone or steroid use can take 3–24 months to restore HPTA function, so it's just a waiting game at this point.

Good luck 🤞 🍀
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@bss actually what @StoryOfTheProphet says is true, while generalized there are facts there. East Europeans and Europeans in general have a harder time with HPTA upregulation for sure, this is just a fact of life dealing with clients.
 
LevButlerov said:
@bss actually what @StoryOfTheProphet says is true, while generalized there are facts there. East Europeans and Europeans in general have a harder time with HPTA upregulation for sure, this is just a fact of life dealing with clients.
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I haven't found any studies to back this up. Certainly I was one of the lucky ones perhaps since my blood is 80% European and I had no issues whatsoever to bouce back 🙏.

I'm a true believer that each person is different no matter their ethnicity or race 😁
 
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bss said:
I haven't found any studies to back this up. Certainly I was one of the lucky ones perhaps since my blood is 80% European and I had no issues whatsoever to bouce back 🙏.

I'm a true believer that each person is different no matter their ethnicity or race 😁
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@bss you're not going to see racially biased studies, that's just a fact of life due to "correctness" but reality is reality. As an example, there is a reason some of the best runners in the world are from Kenya, it's genetic!
Kenyan runners dominate because their calf structure is naturally leaner and longer which makes running more efficient. That shape reduces the energy cost with each stride so they can maintain high speeds without burning out as fast. Add in the high-altitude environment they grow up in which builds lung capacity and endurance from a young age. So we can agree genetics play a role in physical attributes @bss right?
 
LevButlerov said:
@bss you're not going to see racially biased studies, that's just a fact of life due to "correctness" but reality is reality. As an example, there is a reason some of the best runners in the world are from Kenya, it's genetic!
Kenyan runners dominate because their calf structure is naturally leaner and longer which makes running more efficient. That shape reduces the energy cost with each stride so they can maintain high speeds without burning out as fast. Add in the high-altitude environment they grow up in which builds lung capacity and endurance from a young age. So we can agree genetics play a role in physical attributes @bss right?
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Genetics is everything bro that's for certain!
 
LevButlerov said:
@bss you're not going to see racially biased studies, that's just a fact of life due to "correctness" but reality is reality. As an example, there is a reason some of the best runners in the world are from Kenya, it's genetic!
Kenyan runners dominate because their calf structure is naturally leaner and longer which makes running more efficient. That shape reduces the energy cost with each stride so they can maintain high speeds without burning out as fast. Add in the high-altitude environment they grow up in which builds lung capacity and endurance from a young age. So we can agree genetics play a role in physical attributes @bss right?
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Long distance (10k or more). Not middle distance on down.

The high altitude thing 'was' a thing. But many distance runners (cyclists too) now do high altitude training, use PEDs which simulate the same training and so on.

Lev IS correct regarding how research is done but ALL theories are over simplifications. For example look at science, when it exists, regarding exercise, muscle growth, protein and so on. The majority will be faulty if only cos of who takes part as a subject in the studies. Even when a LOT of studies are looked at each study needs to be the same or else the data becomes skewed. So has their been any actual studies on Kenyan runners? Did each study look at the same problem and or arrive at similar outcomes and so on.
 
CypherOCE said:
Have sourced the good highly purified FSH so I’ll add that in when it lands too 😬 want to give myself the best chance of success haha
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did you get bloods back?
 
CypherOCE said:
Yeah new bloods and fertility test

Will post when he emails them through to me🫡
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lets wait on this before you use anything else IMO @CypherOCE
did you try IVF? you only need 1 sperm for that.
 
LevButlerov said:
lets wait on this before you use anything else IMO @CypherOCE
did you try IVF? you only need 1 sperm for that.
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IVF way too expensive in Australia haha - nearly 10k a pop. I'd rather not waste money on a maybe
toddthelineman said:
Please log your efforts. Very valuable
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If you can*^ or are interested in doing so.

Results below 🫣

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And bloods which were prior to TRT

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Overall not great but also not terrible i guess, I look at it like I should be able to recover but how long that takes is anyone's guess
 
CypherOCE said:
IVF way too expensive in Australia haha - nearly 10k a pop. I'd rather not waste money on a maybe
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@CypherOCE you rather suffer and go through this agony vs 10k? I highly suggest you borrow or save money and go with IVF so you dont have to try to recover like this. Your estrogen levels are peaked out it's really bad for you.
CypherOCE said:
Overall not great but also not terrible i guess, I look at it like I should be able to recover but how long that takes is anyone's guess
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Imo IVF is also too expensive for what is worth it.

The process will take around 6 months to get your markers back to a "normal" range.

Don't be discouraged, just follow the protocol and keep going.

Here's what I did if helps, N+C = Novaldex + Clomid
 

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bss said:
Imo IVF is also too expensive for what is worth it.

The process will take around 6 months to get your markers back to a "normal" range.

Don't be discouraged, just follow the protocol and keep going.

Here's what I did if helps, N+C = Novaldex + Clomid
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You recovered in 6 months? @bss
 
LevButlerov said:
@CypherOCE you rather suffer and go through this agony vs 10k? I highly suggest you borrow or save money and go with IVF so you dont have to try to recover like this. Your estrogen levels are peaked out it's really bad for you.
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I don't need to borrow any money 😂 I'm just not going to waste money on IVF treatments. We've already discussed it, this either works or it doesn't not going to sink myself financially chasing a child

My e2 hasn't been tested but last time it was 125, so within the range here in Australia.
 
CypherOCE said:
I don't need to borrow any money 😂 I'm just not going to waste money on IVF treatments. We've already discussed it, this either works or it doesn't not going to sink myself financially chasing a child

My e2 hasn't been tested but last time it was 125, so within the range here in Australia.
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that will work too :D
 
LevButlerov said:
You have before after bloods in log? @bss
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Attached are my bloods and spermogram to back up my claims.

The first one test @ 0.4 nmol/L was in April post comp.
1 month later after TPC test was back to 11.3 nmol in Jun
Then I went to Brazil for holidays (4 weeks taking nothing just eating and enjoying life) and got my bloods and spermogram done, results also attached (it's in Portuguese but I guess it's easy to understand)

I haven't done another one since July ....

Testosterone is for certain still at the lower range but my focus now is just to get the wife pregnant so not worried about it.
 

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bss said:
Attached are my bloods and spermogram to back up my claims.

The first one test @ 0.4 nmol/L was in April post comp.
1 month later after TPC test was back to 11.3 nmol in Jun
Then I went to Brazil for holidays (4 weeks taking nothing just eating and enjoying life) and got my bloods and spermogram done, results also attached (it's in Portuguese but I guess it's easy to understand)

I haven't done another one since July ....

Testosterone is for certain still at the lower range but my focus now is just to get the wife pregnant so not worried about it.
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You bounced back quick as

That’s bloody awesome
 
CypherOCE said:
You bounced back quick as

That’s bloody awesome
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You will get there brother 🙏

Here was my last cycle for reference

🧃EOD (4 weeks)

1ml test Prop
1ml Masteron P
0.5ml Tren A
Anavar 40mg pre training
40mg Clem (fasting cardio)
10mg novaldex

🧃 Monday to Friday (last two weeks prior to show time)

1ml Master
1ml Tren
40mg anavar ( pre workout)
60mg stano (8h em 8h)
60mg Clem
 
bss said:
Attached are my bloods and spermogram to back up my claims.

The first one test @ 0.4 nmol/L was in April post comp.
1 month later after TPC test was back to 11.3 nmol in Jun
Then I went to Brazil for holidays (4 weeks taking nothing just eating and enjoying life) and got my bloods and spermogram done, results also attached (it's in Portuguese but I guess it's easy to understand)

I haven't done another one since July ....

Testosterone is for certain still at the lower range but my focus now is just to get the wife pregnant so not worried about it.
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I dont see lh fsh there but I see they put "odor" on sperm count, LOL :P you think they smelled it? @bss
but you likely have good genetics, not all can recover like this.
bss said:
You will get there brother 🙏

Here was my last cycle for reference

🧃EOD (4 weeks)

1ml test Prop
1ml Masteron P
0.5ml Tren A
Anavar 40mg pre training
40mg Clem (fasting cardio)
10mg novaldex

🧃 Monday to Friday (last two weeks prior to show time)

1ml Master
1ml Tren
40mg anavar ( pre workout)
60mg stano (8h em 8h)
60mg Clem
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That's a fairly light cycle tbh.
 
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bss said:
I just came across this product https://shop.miracare.com/en-au/products/home-sperm-test

They also have a female test kit that will test LH FSH Estrogen and Prolactin for female (only)

My partner and I will buy those to give it a try, apparently it's quite trustworthy and it's a lot easier than having to go get tested at a lab every time.
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This is the same as YO fertility kit @CypherOCE Posted on the first post, just different packaging. They measure motility (how fast they move) but not morphology (how well the sperm is built). Still a good indicator as motility is very important.
 
S3xy Chick said:
This is the same as YO fertility kit @CypherOCE Posted on the first post, just different packaging. They measure motility (how fast they move) but not morphology (how well the sperm is built). Still a good indicator as motility is very important.
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Oh 😳 I wasn't aware of that in the initial post (I should have gone through it all but I was lazy hahaha ooops)

Cheers for letting me know tho ☺️

I think the female version is also very important because at the end of the day both need to be on top of their game and make sure everything ligns up 🤞👶

I find it much harder to understand and control the female side of it since they need to have all the hormones released at very specific times depending on their period phase and they need to track that very meticulously.
 
bss said:
I just came across this product https://shop.miracare.com/en-au/products/home-sperm-test

They also have a female test kit that will test LH FSH Estrogen and Prolactin for female (only)

My partner and I will buy those to give it a try, apparently it's quite trustworthy and it's a lot easier than having to go get tested at a lab every time.
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S3xy Chick said:
This is the same as YO fertility kit @CypherOCE Posted on the first post, just different packaging. They measure motility (how fast they move) but not morphology (how well the sperm is built). Still a good indicator as motility is very important.
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All these kits and suffering for the guys, in the end IVF the easiest way to go.
 
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bss said:
I agree, IVF is definitely the way to go, my partner and I will try for another 2 months, if nothing then IVF it's.
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CypherOCE said:
I dunno im hoping to avoid IVF altogether 😂 see how that pans out though

Rather not spend the money on IVF, I want kids but not that badly that I’d spend a house to have one
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It's better to spend the money on IVF than to put your body through this, you are shortening your life going under this hormonal stress and you're still going to output damaged DNA imo. At least in IVF they can screen all for you :D
 
bss said:
Get ready they costs millions by the time they turn 18, 10k is nothing hahaha
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I’m not fussed on the cost of kids more so giving away to people who don’t need it 😂

I’m already well prepared for kids have spent the better part of the last decade to get ready but yeah I wouldn’t throw that away just to have one

Whatever happens, happens. This either works or it doesn’t 🤷🏻‍♀️
 
LevButlerov said:
It's better to spend the money on IVF than to put your body through this, you are shortening your life going under this hormonal stress and you're still going to output damaged DNA imo. At least in IVF they can screen all for you :D
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Explain that
 
Mobster said:
Explain that
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@Mobster sure, in general, hormonal stress raises cortisol and that hormone can directly influence DNA stability in males. High cortisol levels increase oxidative stress which damages DNA strands and disrupts repair systems. Over time this leads to more mutations and weaker chromosomal integrity. Hormonal imbalance also alters gene expression through epigenetic changes like methylation patterns. Those shifts can silence protective genes or activate harmful ones. The end result is a higher risk of cell dysfunction, reduced fertility, and long-term health decline tied to DNA stress. I can't say for sure every TRT to PCT is like this, but it's something to consider.
 
LevButlerov said:
@Mobster sure, in general, hormonal stress raises cortisol and that hormone can directly influence DNA stability in males. High cortisol levels increase oxidative stress which damages DNA strands and disrupts repair systems. Over time this leads to more mutations and weaker chromosomal integrity. Hormonal imbalance also alters gene expression through epigenetic changes like methylation patterns. Those shifts can silence protective genes or activate harmful ones. The end result is a higher risk of cell dysfunction, reduced fertility, and long-term health decline tied to DNA stress. I can't say for sure every TRT to PCT is like this, but it's something to consider.
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Are you saying Cyphers kid will have 2 horns and a tail? :ROFLMAO:
 
LevButlerov said:
@Mobster sure, in general, hormonal stress raises cortisol and that hormone can directly influence DNA stability in males. High cortisol levels increase oxidative stress which damages DNA strands and disrupts repair systems. Over time this leads to more mutations and weaker chromosomal integrity. Hormonal imbalance also alters gene expression through epigenetic changes like methylation patterns. Those shifts can silence protective genes or activate harmful ones. The end result is a higher risk of cell dysfunction, reduced fertility, and long-term health decline tied to DNA stress. I can't say for sure every TRT to PCT is like this, but it's something to consider.
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I have read some evidence to back up using certain drugs and alcohol pre pregnancy (both sexes) will raise the risk for issues like ADHD, Autism etc
 
Mobster said:
I have read some evidence to back up using certain drugs and alcohol pre pregnancy (both sexes) will raise the risk for issues like ADHD, Autism etc
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Correct, tylenol here in the US is being declared a toxic drug women shouldn't take while pregnant, that should tell you a lot about the drug in general.
 
Small improvements to concentration

Up to 4.8 from the first test of 4.1 with TRT so a little progress but nothing too spectacular

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Currently doing the following:
500IU HCG ED
75IU HMG Tuesday and Thursday

Test (TRT) @ 150mg weekly

Will get bloods this week before I go away for a long weekend and post results 🫡

Other than that, body composition rebound from the cut has been absolutely phenomenal.

I was 77kg at the end of the cut. I’m now back to 84kg with visible abs and veiny AF so I’m very happy with the progress thus far.
 
CypherOCE said:
Small improvements to concentration

Up to 4.8 from the first test of 4.1 with TRT so a little progress but nothing too spectacular

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Currently doing the following:
500IU HCG ED
75IU HMG Tuesday and Thursday

Test (TRT) @ 150mg weekly

Will get bloods this week before I go away for a long weekend and post results 🫡

Other than that, body composition rebound from the cut has been absolutely phenomenal.

I was 77kg at the end of the cut. I’m now back to 84kg with visible abs and veiny AF so I’m very happy with the progress thus far.
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but you feel better on TRT right? :D
 
CypherOCE said:
Small improvements to concentration

Up to 4.8 from the first test of 4.1 with TRT so a little progress but nothing too spectacular

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Currently doing the following:
500IU HCG ED
75IU HMG Tuesday and Thursday

Test (TRT) @ 150mg weekly

Will get bloods this week before I go away for a long weekend and post results 🫡

Other than that, body composition rebound from the cut has been absolutely phenomenal.

I was 77kg at the end of the cut. I’m now back to 84kg with visible abs and veiny AF so I’m very happy with the progress thus far.
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That's great brother 👏 remember that Spermatogenesis cycle = ~72–90 days, meaning any intervention would take about 3 months to show any results in the sperm analysis.
 
Sorry been pretty slack with updates as I’ve been away a lot

Protocol still kicking along in the background jist trying not to worry about results or the lack thereof as it stresses me out 😂

Training has been going really well.

6 weeks after the big slin down I’m back up to 90kg from 77kg. I’m eating like a machine I’ve gained a little fat but it’s not much to write home about (pics below)

Happy with where I’m currently sitting so much so I might push it to 95 and then maybe 100 depending on how it’s looking.

PEDs:
150 test supplied by the big man himself @ODINLABS

HCG and HMG supplied by @Wolfenstein
500mcg daily and 75IU Tuesday & Thurs.

HGH: 3.6IU daily

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CypherOCE said:
Sorry been pretty slack with updates as I’ve been away a lot

Protocol still kicking along in the background jist trying not to worry about results or the lack thereof as it stresses me out 😂

Training has been going really well.

6 weeks after the big slin down I’m back up to 90kg from 77kg. I’m eating like a machine I’ve gained a little fat but it’s not much to write home about (pics below)

Happy with where I’m currently sitting so much so I might push it to 95 and then maybe 100 depending on how it’s looking.

PEDs:
150 test supplied by the big man himself @ODINLABS

HCG and HMG supplied by @Wolfenstein
500mcg daily and 75IU Tuesday & Thurs.

HGH: 3.6IU daily

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You look big in that shot with a strong side chest and arms standing out. The 13 kg rebound from the slin down shows you’re holding size well with just enough fullness coming back through the shoulders and upper arms. :D
 
bss said:
90kg looks good on you, abs are still showing and also the veins are showing which is a sign that your are lean.
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he is looking lean :D
 
CypherOCE said:
Feeling much leaner than when I was at 90kg previously

A little fluffy on the midsection and lower back but it’s not terrible - ideally I’d prefer to be around 85-90kg and 10-12% but not there yet 🤪 but that’s the long term goal
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It's coming! you back on TRT?
 
CypherOCE said:
Sorry been pretty slack with updates as I’ve been away a lot

Protocol still kicking along in the background jist trying not to worry about results or the lack thereof as it stresses me out 😂

Training has been going really well.

6 weeks after the big slin down I’m back up to 90kg from 77kg. I’m eating like a machine I’ve gained a little fat but it’s not much to write home about (pics below)

Happy with where I’m currently sitting so much so I might push it to 95 and then maybe 100 depending on how it’s looking.

PEDs:
150 test supplied by the big man himself @ODINLABS

HCG and HMG supplied by @Wolfenstein
500mcg daily and 75IU Tuesday & Thurs.

HGH: 3.6IU daily

View attachment 126831

View attachment 126829
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@CypherOCE how has the fertility been improved? i really think dropping the test will help here. its going to keep shutting you down
 
CypherOCE said:
Sorry been pretty slack with updates as I’ve been away a lot

Protocol still kicking along in the background jist trying not to worry about results or the lack thereof as it stresses me out 😂

Training has been going really well.

6 weeks after the big slin down I’m back up to 90kg from 77kg. I’m eating like a machine I’ve gained a little fat but it’s not much to write home about (pics below)

Happy with where I’m currently sitting so much so I might push it to 95 and then maybe 100 depending on how it’s looking.

PEDs:
150 test supplied by the big man himself @ODINLABS

HCG and HMG supplied by @Wolfenstein
500mcg daily and 75IU Tuesday & Thurs.

HGH: 3.6IU daily

View attachment 126831

View attachment 126829
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looking killer as brother!!!
 
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