Approved Log My Cut Cycle Log: Road to 200lbs or less! My first cut ever.

[kcates]

I love that roof, what a building

It's a church. It's actually my church I go to and got married in over 15 years ago.

 

[kcates]

Good training keeping it steady and I like the new equipment I've seen the new machines show up all over though I'm a big fan of smith
nice stage you doing that yourself? @kcates

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Yeah, I work by myself. Question: I am going to add in the cagrilitide I am planning to start with 1 mg a week. What would the back off schedule of the terzepatide look like over how many weeks and amounts at a time?

 

[kcates]

This mornings workout:

 

[HarleyGuy]

This mornings workout:

Just got caught up brother and your pic on 24Feb looks great! You're looking stronger and abs are coming in nice too!

Life is great as far as I feel finally. I can work all day, I can train hard, family life is great and sex life is great. It's all I could ever ask for as far as my health goes. But I will still continue to strive to be better. I

I love this! My licence plate literally reads to stay zero. Doesn't matter what you did yesterday, when you wake up today you start over again at zero! Keep striving bro!

3 iu of HGH daily February 17th.

It's been less than a month but have you noticed better sleep?

As I tapered off the caffeine weekly I watched my blood pressure come down with it. Now I am off I have normal blood pressure average 120/65 now. I

So smart you figured this out you seem to have something going on where you're really predisposed for high BP.

Last night's dream I was like in a real life military survival PVP video game.

Now we're talkin!!!

I am going to be honest. I ordered mine from a wholesale supplier I researched out and found.

Honesty is King here brother. Can't scold anyone for being honest keep that coming!

I got to do a better log of my Bp regularly

Definitely watch your sodium and caffeine and I'd at least post a pic of your BP once a week for us. With your issues and having tried all those meds I'd be checking it once a day.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah, I work by myself. Question: I am going to add in the cagrilitide I am planning to start with 1 mg a week. What would the back off schedule of the terzepatide look like over how many weeks and amounts at a time?

it would be touch and go with tirzepatide I would cut 5mgs first -5, and see how 1mg cagrilintide treats you @kcates

 

[LevButlerov]

This mornings workout:

nice deads 165 any cardio? @kcates

 

[LevButlerov]

It's a church. It's actually my church I go to and got married in over 15 years ago.

beautiful design you have there looked again

 

[kcates]

Just got caught up brother and your pic on 24Feb looks great! You're looking stronger and abs are coming in nice too!


I love this! My licence plate literally reads to stay zero. Doesn't matter what you did yesterday, when you wake up today you start over again at zero! Keep striving bro!


It's been less than a month but have you noticed better sleep?


So smart you figured this out you seem to have something going on where you're really predisposed for high BP.


Now we're talkin!!!


Honesty is King here brother. Can't scold anyone for being honest keep that coming!


Definitely watch your sodium and caffeine and I'd at least post a pic of your BP once a week for us. With your issues and having tried all those meds I'd be checking it once a day.

Dude, I noticed the sleep within days of starting to use it. The dreams are freaking wild. The other night i had a dream about fucking my wife then turning around fucking my ex girlfriend from high school from like 30 years ago. Normally i dont rememeber my dreams but i remember most of them at least during the next day. Also i can wake up go to the bathroom and then go back to sleep and get right back into the same dream. The sleep has been wild to say the least. MY buddy he is using the same stuff at 1.5Iu a night and he hasnt had the same dream issues as me. He just pumped his to 2 iu yesterday so we will see what happens with him. I also hear everyonme is different on it.

nice deads 165 any cardio? @kcates

I am trying to get the cardio back in but its been hit or miss depending on when i get tot the gym and when i need to get to work. If i have to get to work and running behind cardio gets axed. I been sleeping in more since my sleep has been so good lately.

 

[kcates]

@kcates I'm in a huge minority that does not consume any type of caffeine at all. I do not consume tea, coffee, or anything like that. I want my body and brain to operate at maximum capacity and when you consume caffeine you're just finding your body.

Question for you since i know you are a non caffeine user. What would you suggest for a pick me up in the afternoons when I am running a cut? My biggest issue with cutting is the loss of energy in the afternoons. My business and work depend on me busting ass in the field in the afternoons. Less i work the less money i make.

 

[stevesmi]

Question for you since i know you are a non caffeine user. What would you suggest for a pick me up in the afternoons when I am running a cut? My biggest issue with cutting is the loss of energy in the afternoons. My business and work depend on me busting ass in the field in the afternoons. Less i work the less money i make.

it might be tough at first but over time you won't need a 'pick me up' to function. you have to train your body to not need it

having said that it seems like mots-c is a popular option. try taking that in the morning

 

[kcates]

it might be tough at first but over time you won't need a 'pick me up' to function. you have to train your body to not need it

having said that it seems like mots-c is a popular option. try taking that in the morning

I don't need one now but I take in enough carbs that fuels me all day but calorie wise it puts me around maintenance. It's just when I cut that I die out in the afternoons. Could mots-c be used in the afternoons and not mess with my sleep at night?

 

[G-Merc 80]

I don't need one now but I take in enough carbs that fuels me all day but calorie wise it puts me around maintenance. It's just when I cut that I die out in the afternoons. Could mots-c be used in the afternoons and not mess with my sleep at night?

From experience it wont mess with your sleep when taking it later in the day, but for fatigue i found SS-31 the best and is also VERY synergistic with MOTS-C; what is your current stack and what does your meals look like over a day when cutting?

 

[LevButlerov]

I am trying to get the cardio back in but its been hit or miss depending on when i get tot the gym and when i need to get to work. If i have to get to work and running behind cardio gets axed. I been sleeping in more since my sleep has been so good lately.

try to add short sprint intervals if your knees ok

 

[kcates]

try to add short sprint intervals if your knees ok

Yeah my knees can't take sprints.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah my knees can't take sprints.

slow treadmill then

 

[stevesmi]

I don't need one now but I take in enough carbs that fuels me all day but calorie wise it puts me around maintenance. It's just when I cut that I die out in the afternoons. Could mots-c be used in the afternoons and not mess with my sleep at night?

die out in the afternoons can mean different things

you have energy on your body to sustain you for months so its not that

its more of a mental thing where you need sugar/carbs. no different then when i used to play poker and people used to get up every 10 minutes to go outside to smoke, or they would need to sip some coffee or alcohol to function. its hard to wean off of that but its very possible

also it could be not enough sleep at night too

 

[kcates]

die out in the afternoons can mean different things

you have energy on your body to sustain you for months so its not that

its more of a mental thing where you need sugar/carbs. no different then when i used to play poker and people used to get up every 10 minutes to go outside to smoke, or they would need to sip some coffee or alcohol to function. its hard to wean off of that but its very possible

also it could be not enough sleep at night too

Sleep is dialed in I get 7.5 -8.5 hours of sleep daily on my bipap and my bipap score fluctuates between 98-99 out of 100.

 

[kcates]

die out in the afternoons can mean different things

you have energy on your body to sustain you for months so its not that

its more of a mental thing where you need sugar/carbs. no different then when i used to play poker and people used to get up every 10 minutes to go outside to smoke, or they would need to sip some coffee or alcohol to function. its hard to wean off of that but its very possible

also it could be not enough sleep at night too

You ever go to the hard rock in Seminole to play poker? I don't go very often to Tampa hard rock but when I do I like the easy craps game. I may get to go once a year for an occasion.

 

[stevesmi]

You ever go to the hard rock in Seminole to play poker? I don't go very often to Tampa hard rock but when I do I like the easy craps game. I may get to go once a year for an occasion.

I used to go there. its like shooting fish in a barrell at night
but they rob the hell out of you with rakes. it isn't profitable anymore

 

[stevesmi]

Sleep is dialed in I get 7.5 -8.5 hours of sleep daily on my bipap and my bipap score fluctuates between 98-99 out of 100.

some people are wired differently. i am full of energy in the morning but by 4-5pm i am drained. some are the opposite

 

[kcates]

some people are wired differently. i am full of energy in the morning but by 4-5pm i am drained. some are the opposite

Yeah my morning I am great. I pop out of bed 110%. Because I work out and don't get to the jobsite until 10 ish I work until 6 ish 3-4 things tend to decline for me when I am cutting. Right now I eat at maintenance with plenty of rice in the am I do fine. Just got to figure out the cut thing that works for me. I got to keep trying stuff until I find the thing that works for me.

 

[kcates]

Today's workout and meal afterwards:

 

[stevesmi]

Yeah my morning I am great. I pop out of bed 110%. Because I work out and don't get to the jobsite until 10 ish I work until 6 ish 3-4 things tend to decline for me when I am cutting. Right now I eat at maintenance with plenty of rice in the am I do fine. Just got to figure out the cut thing that works for me. I got to keep trying stuff until I find the thing that works for me.

its a tough job man. i have a mentally draining job myself and when i am not working I'm fishing which is extremely draining it itself

 

[kcates]

its a tough job man. i have a mentally draining job myself and when i am not working I'm fishing which is extremely draining it itself

I will take a day of fishing over any day of work though! I will also take my physically draining day at work over any mentally draining day of work. I enjoy building things with my hands and seeing customers happy with the end result. It's just physically harder in my 50's. Here is what I finished today.

 

[kcates]

I am home alone tonight for dinner. I need to do some ground beef prep for my meal after weight training. Because I am lazy I decided for dinner it's just going to be a pound of cooked ground beef and the other 9 pounds goes in the fridge. It's actually kinda hard to put down a pound of just plain ground beef with no seasoning. It was so dark red not like the regular grocery store pink beef.

 

[stevesmi]

I will take a day of fishing over any day of work though! I will also take my physically draining day at work over any mentally draining day of work. I enjoy building things with my hands and seeing customers happy with the end result. It's just physically harder in my 50's. Here is what I finished today.

Wish I could take a day off for fishing man. I usually do like a four or five hour window, either in the morning or the evening, to go fishing but I spend the other half of the day working. I lead a super busy life. I don't know how some of you manage families as well. I would be sick if I couldn't spend time with my kids.

 

[kcates]

Wish I could take a day off for fishing man. I usually do like a four or five hour window, either in the morning or the evening, to go fishing but I spend the other half of the day working. I lead a super busy life. I don't know how some of you manage families as well. I would be sick if I couldn't spend time with my kids.

You take your kids with you fishing. Mine love bass fishing to onshore and offshore fishing. It makes it even better to see them glowing when they catch fish.

 

[stevesmi]

You take your kids with you fishing. Mine love bass fishing to onshore and offshore fishing. It makes it even better to see them glowing when they catch fish.

thats the thing. most people don't do that. my cousin loves fishing and the only 2x she got to go was with me. her dad didn't take her fishing at all as he has to travel for work all the time

 

[kcates]

Here is my recent blood work. I am at 180mg of test a week with 50mg of
Deca a week and 3iu gh daily. I inject Monday Wednesday and Friday. I took this blood work 24 hours after my last injection. I was at my peak then. Still got some higher numbers then I want for being on my TRT. So I m going to drop my test to 140 mg a week. Hopefully still feel good and hopefully get some better blood numbers. Retest in 4-6 weeks. I was hoping to be around 350 on my IGF-1 for replacement and I was at 354 so that worked out good. I guess I am just a high responder to test and need less on TRT. I want to find a good TRT level where my blood numbers look good and I feel good still before I do another blast of something so I know where to return to afterwards to let my body recover.

 

[kcates]

@Mobster start my ramp up to hit my goal of 315 lb bench press this year. Already feeling stronger then last Aug when I did my 245 for 5 reps. If I stay healthy how many months is realistic to push for to achieve this?

 

[kcates]

thats the thing. most people don't do that. my cousin loves fishing and the only 2x she got to go was with me. her dad didn't take her fishing at all as he has to travel for work all the time

At least she got to go with you. Those are memories she will keep forever. I love going fishing with my kids. Watching them learn and seeing there faces when they hook into something. Its priceless time and memories for sure!

 

[kcates]

Workout log dump:

 

[kcates]

Workout log dump:

 

[kcates]

Workout log dump

 

[stevesmi]

At least she got to go with you. Those are memories she will keep forever. I love going fishing with my kids. Watching them learn and seeing there faces when they hook into something. Its priceless time and memories for sure!

Very true

 

[kcates]

Very true

Also that is what family is for. To pick up where we drop off sometimes. It's cool u could do that for your cousin and fill the gap for your uncle.

Workout log dump

@stevesmi what do u think of my plan after getting blood work? I feel I need to find that good recovery place on TRT before I do another blast. Also finding out I may be a high responder to test. When I do another cycle where would be a good range of total t be while on cycle? I am thinking I should dose up slower and find out how much test it takes to get me in that good range to be in while I cycle. If I am good responder why use more then I need if I can find a good spot using less. I am just not sure if that is how it can work. Or is it better to get as much total t as you can while on cycle?

 

[stevesmi]

Also that is what family is for. To pick up where we drop off sometimes. It's cool u could do that for your cousin and fill the gap for your uncle.
@stevesmi what do u think of my plan after getting blood work? I feel I need to find that good recovery place on TRT before I do another blast. Also finding out I may be a high responder to test. When I do another cycle where would be a good range of total t be while on cycle? I am thinking I should dose up slower and find out how much test it takes to get me in that good range to be in while I cycle. If I am good responder why use more then I need if I can find a good spot using less. I am just not sure if that is how it can work. Or is it better to get as much total t as you can while on cycle?

that is a tough question. i think in your situation using the least for best results would be most optimal. its not like you are trying to win the Mr. Olympia or anything

 

[kcates]

that is a tough question. i think in your situation using the least for best results would be most optimal. its not like you are trying to win the Mr. Olympia or anything

How do you know what that is though? Is there like a total t range you want to be in when doing a cycle? If so I can figure out how much test I need to use to get there with blood work and trial and error.

 

[stevesmi]

How do you know what that is though? Is there like a total t range you want to be in when doing a cycle? If so I can figure out how much test I need to use to get there with blood work and trial and error.

i can tell you there is a point where its the laws of diminishing returns. we see this in bloodwork but we also see it with drug trials.

i just read a study where they used reta at 8mgs vs. 12mgs. and they had almost the same results. but the ones who used it at 2mgs had way less fat loss.

 

[LevButlerov]

Here is my recent blood work. I am at 180mg of test a week with 50mg of
Deca a week and 3iu gh daily. I inject Monday Wednesday and Friday. I took this blood work 24 hours after my last injection. I was at my peak then. Still got some higher numbers then I want for being on my TRT. So I m going to drop my test to 140 mg a week. Hopefully still feel good and hopefully get some better blood numbers. Retest in 4-6 weeks. I was hoping to be around 350 on my IGF-1 for replacement and I was at 354 so that worked out good. I guess I am just a high responder to test and need less on TRT. I want to find a good TRT level where my blood numbers look good and I feel good still before I do another blast of something so I know where to return to afterwards to let my body recover.

This is very high E2, what are you doing to control it? 100 is super high @kcates

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[LevButlerov]

Workout log dump:

Workout log dump:

Workout log dump

good training but I see cardio seems 1x5sec? or did I misread? @kcates

 

[Grumpy]

Solid training session
E2 is definitely on the higher side but its all about how you feel

 

[waggat]

Workout log dump:

Workout log dump

Nice bunch of workouts. Hitting 230lb bench for 4 sets of 5 is good going!

 

[kcates]

good training but I see cardio seems 1x5sec? or did I misread? @kcates

It's just the way i put it in my app because I don't click it when I get on the treadmill. So then when I see it later I can't wait 5 min for it to count down to input something else. I just get on the treadmill for 5 min when I first get to the gym just to warm up a little each day. So I set it at a few sec so it just makes note really for me that I got on the treadmill. I know it's for 5 minutes.

 

[kcates]

This is very high E2, what are you doing to control it? 100 is super high @kcates

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Yep, I am reducing my testosterone to 140mg a week from 180mg a week. Going to donate blood this weekend then retest blood work in 4-6 weeks.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yep, I am reducing my testosterone to 140mg a week from 180mg a week. Going to donate blood this weekend then retest blood work in 4-6 weeks.

this is a good move @kcates lets see

 

[LevButlerov]

It's just the way i put it in my app because I don't click it when I get on the treadmill. So then when I see it later I can't wait 5 min for it to count down to input something else. I just get on the treadmill for 5 min when I first get to the gym just to warm up a little each day. So I set it at a few sec so it just makes note really for me that I got on the treadmill. I know it's for 5 minutes.

i see what you mean lets keep going

 

[kcates]

this is a good move @kcates lets see

Does my igf-1 level look good for being on 3 iu of GH daily while doing TRT? When I get things cleaned up and decided to do a blast I will increase gh during that run but until then planning to stay on 3iu daily.

Nice bunch of workouts. Hitting 230lb bench for 4 sets of 5 is good going!

Working my way up to 315 for reps

 

[kcates]

Solid training session
E2 is definitely on the higher side but its all about how you feel

Actually I feel fine. Normally when I get in the 80's I feel it. Only thing new is 50 mg of deca 233kly for joint comfort which has helped really notice it at work and I am using 3iu of GH daily. I was wondering if the gh is making me feel better and not feel it. Just a thought I had about it specially after seeing it at 100. I was like dang it's that high and I didn't even feel it. I am dropping my test down ton140mg mainly because my red blood, hematocrit, and hemoglobin are higher then I want them on TRT. I been slowly lowering it to find a good spot. I did 160 and it got better. Then this last time I was heavy on my syringe draw and I was at 180mg. Now I am dropping to 140mg see what it does.

 

[LevButlerov]

Does my igf-1 level look good for being on 3 iu of GH daily while doing TRT? When I get things cleaned up and decided to do a blast I will increase gh during that run but until then planning to stay on 3iu daily.

IGF numbers are subjective its basically timing when you pinned hgh vs the testing time I wouldn't put too much stock into it unless you tested specifically for hgh quality did you? @kcates and where is this hgh from?

 

[kcates]

this is a good move @kcates lets see

IGF numbers are subjective its basically timing when you pinned hgh vs the testing time I wouldn't put too much stock into it unless you tested specifically for hgh quality did you? @kcates and where is this hgh from?

I pinned my last dose roughly 13 hours prior to the blood work

 

[LevButlerov]

I pinned my last dose roughly 13 hours prior to the blood work

should be 2 hours before to measure hgh vs igf

 

[kcates]

I was testing to see if I was at a good level for for replacement use. i thought that was a good level to be at for a 50 year old man.

 

[kcates]

I was testing to see if I was at a good level for for replacement use. i thought that was a good level to be at for a 50 year old man.

My z score says I am 2.2 standard deviations above the average for my age. That puts me in the top 1% for my age. Based on that, I figure I was supplementing myself in a good place with GH for just HRT. I wish I had a score prior to supplementing to know how much I improved.

 

[LevButlerov]

I was testing to see if I was at a good level for for replacement use. i thought that was a good level to be at for a 50 year old man.

for a test do 2 hours before

 

[LevButlerov]

My z score says I am 2.2 standard deviations above the average for my age. That puts me in the top 1% for my age. Based on that, I figure I was supplementing myself in a good place with GH for just HRT. I wish I had a score prior to supplementing to know how much I improved.

you're doing fine with your hgh no more needed

 

[kcates]

you're doing fine with your hgh no more needed

Thanks, your up early today. Have a great day Lev!

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks, your up early today. Have a great day Lev!

I'm always up @kcates trying to support all parts of the EVO family.

 

[kcates]

I'm always up @kcates trying to support all parts of the EVO family.

Make sure you take care of yourself if u can't take care of yourself first you won't be able to help others

 

[LevButlerov]

Make sure you take care of yourself if u can't take care of yourself first you won't be able to help others

very true brother

 

[kcates]

I would like to hear from as many of you as possible on how you guys think I should go about reducing my terzepatide and cutting my food cravings. Since I have started using GH I get way more sweet cravings or glucose cravings on it. Now I am always looking for gummy bears and ice cream. Doesn't help when Easter baskets are around with gummy candy in them. I ce cream I found a substitute which is Greek fat yogurt with 2 protein scoops, honey and a pinch of salt. Regardless of that I am at the top dose of terzepatide and it doesn't stop food cravings any longer. It works great for my diabetes but I bet it would work great for diabetes at 2.5 mg still. So I am going to decrease back down to 2.5- 5 mg. I have cagrilitide and motsc on the way. I am going to dose the cagrilitide starting low to see how it effects me and decrease the terzepatide. The motsc I am going to start at 1mg first thing in the am when I wake. I need that energy when I cut since I don't use caffeine any longer. How should I dose my cagrilitide throw this experiment is my main question? If you want to give dosages for motsc protocol here great but we have a great thread by harleyguy got that already I can go to. I plan to decrease my terzepatide every 2 weeks or so. I am going to have to switch to research terzepatide while I do this because I can only get one dosage amount per month with my prescription. I have already reduced from 15mg a week down to 12.5 mg a week for now. I will stay here for a few weeks and get on the cagrilitide before I got to 10mg. I look forward to all yours suggestions and advice specially since this is a more rare situation to deal with. I may when I get down low enough I may go off the drug for a little a while and let the receptors get. A break. I hear when people come off the antagonist when they go back on they end up using less and not having to increase up like they did previously. Always worth a try if my A1C doesn't go up into the diabetes range. Thanks for reading my long post.

 

[LevButlerov]

I would like to hear from as many of you as possible on how you guys think I should go about reducing my terzepatide and cutting my food cravings. Since I have started using GH I get way more sweet cravings or glucose cravings on it. Now I am always looking for gummy bears and ice cream. Doesn't help when Easter baskets are around with gummy candy in them. I ce cream I found a substitute which is Greek fat yogurt with 2 protein scoops, honey and a pinch of salt. Regardless of that I am at the top dose of terzepatide and it doesn't stop food cravings any longer. It works great for my diabetes but I bet it would work great for diabetes at 2.5 mg still. So I am going to decrease back down to 2.5- 5 mg. I have cagrilitide and motsc on the way. I am going to dose the cagrilitide starting low to see how it effects me and decrease the terzepatide. The motsc I am going to start at 1mg first thing in the am when I wake. I need that energy when I cut since I don't use caffeine any longer. How should I dose my cagrilitide throw this experiment is my main question? If you want to give dosages for motsc protocol here great but we have a great thread by harleyguy got that already I can go to. I plan to decrease my terzepatide every 2 weeks or so. I am going to have to switch to research terzepatide while I do this because I can only get one dosage amount per month with my prescription. I have already reduced from 15mg a week down to 12.5 mg a week for now. I will stay here for a few weeks and get on the cagrilitide before I got to 10mg. I look forward to all yours suggestions and advice specially since this is a more rare situation to deal with. I may when I get down low enough I may go off the drug for a little a while and let the receptors get. A break. I hear when people come off the antagonist when they go back on they end up using less and not having to increase up like they did previously. Always worth a try if my A1C doesn't go up into the diabetes range. Thanks for reading my long post.

I was the one who originally suggested you go from tirz to reta+cag. @kcates But I would not drop hard from high dose tirzepatide straight into retatrutide + cagrilintide because then you will not know what is causing the hunger, nausea, gut issues or glucose swings. The smarter move is taper tirzepatide slowly and only make 1 change at a time, get stable there, then bring in 1 new compound low and slow while logging fasting glucose, post meal glucose, cravings, bodyweight, bowel issues and food intake.
Retatrutide and cagrilintide both need patience and I would not stack both at once while you still have possible diabetes in the mix, especially if GH is clearly pushing sweet cravings harder because GH can make the glucose sides worse.
Also do not fool yourself into thinking receptors just need a break and everything resets, sometimes appetite comes back harder when food choices and environment are still messy, so keep the candy out, keep protein high, keep meals structured and fix the craving triggers first. With possible diabetes involved this is really something that needs very close management, especially ED BG testing.
if you havent seen it read my cag thread please
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...s-semaglutide-tirzepatide-retatrutide.109649/

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[MarkNV]

I was the one who originally suggested you go from tirz to reta+cag. @kcates But I would not drop hard from high dose tirzepatide straight into retatrutide + cagrilintide because then you will not know what is causing the hunger, nausea, gut issues or glucose swings. The smarter move is taper tirzepatide slowly and only make 1 change at a time, get stable there, then bring in 1 new compound low and slow while logging fasting glucose, post meal glucose, cravings, bodyweight, bowel issues and food intake.
Retatrutide and cagrilintide both need patience and I would not stack both at once while you still have possible diabetes in the mix, especially if GH is clearly pushing sweet cravings harder because GH can make the glucose sides worse.
Also do not fool yourself into thinking receptors just need a break and everything resets, sometimes appetite comes back harder when food choices and environment are still messy, so keep the candy out, keep protein high, keep meals structured and fix the craving triggers first. With possible diabetes involved this is really something that needs very close management, especially ED BG testing.
if you havent seen it read my cag thread please
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...s-semaglutide-tirzepatide-retatrutide.109649/

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz
@MarkNV @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy @Shakey @Eveflorence @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

@kcates Lev just dropped some great advice, I would increase fats as they will satiate you and help to buffer the sweet cravings.
You must be 15mg a week? Or 10? Either way
Come off 2.5 at a time a week before you start the reta. This will be okay, find what is triggering the cravings, increase protein and fat and keep your eyes on the prize brother!! You are a badass!! Remember that when that ice cream jones hits you. You are the one in charge, kick its ass!!

 

[kcates]

I was the one who originally suggested you go from tirz to reta+cag. @kcates But I would not drop hard from high dose tirzepatide straight into retatrutide + cagrilintide because then you will not know what is causing the hunger, nausea, gut issues or glucose swings. The smarter move is taper tirzepatide slowly and only make 1 change at a time, get stable there, then bring in 1 new compound low and slow while logging fasting glucose, post meal glucose, cravings, bodyweight, bowel issues and food intake.
Retatrutide and cagrilintide both need patience and I would not stack both at once while you still have possible diabetes in the mix, especially if GH is clearly pushing sweet cravings harder because GH can make the glucose sides worse.
Also do not fool yourself into thinking receptors just need a break and everything resets, sometimes appetite comes back harder when food choices and environment are still messy, so keep the candy out, keep protein high, keep meals structured and fix the craving triggers first. With possible diabetes involved this is really something that needs very close management, especially ED BG testing.
if you havent seen it read my cag thread please
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...s-semaglutide-tirzepatide-retatrutide.109649/

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz
@MarkNV @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy @Shakey @Eveflorence @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

I am not switching to Reta I am just wanting to lower my terzepatide. I have to move in 2.5 mg doses because that is what my prescription comes in. I will probably switch to Reta when it becomes available, doctor approves the switch and insurance pays for it. My doctor manages my stuff for diabetes. So I am going to stay with what he prescribed when it comes to that. I just don't see the point any longer using high dose when 2.5 mg controls my glucose and A1C numbers. After reading Lev thread on cagrilitide I am going to start with 1mg and go from there.

 

[MarkNV]

I am not switching to Reta I am just wanting to lower my terzepatide. I have to move in 2.5 mg doses because that is what my prescription comes in. I will probably switch to Reta when it becomes available, doctor approves the switch and insurance pays for it. My doctor manages my stuff for diabetes. So I am going to stay with what he prescribed when it comes to that. I just don't see the point any longer using high dose when 2.5 mg controls my glucose and A1C numbers. After reading Lev thread on cagrilitide I am going to start with 1mg and go from there.

Makes sense!
Type II I assume?

 

[waggat]

I would like to hear from as many of you as possible on how you guys think I should go about reducing my terzepatide and cutting my food cravings. Since I have started using GH I get way more sweet cravings or glucose cravings on it. Now I am always looking for gummy bears and ice cream. Doesn't help when Easter baskets are around with gummy candy in them. I ce cream I found a substitute which is Greek fat yogurt with 2 protein scoops, honey and a pinch of salt. Regardless of that I am at the top dose of terzepatide and it doesn't stop food cravings any longer. It works great for my diabetes but I bet it would work great for diabetes at 2.5 mg still. So I am going to decrease back down to 2.5- 5 mg. I have cagrilitide and motsc on the way. I am going to dose the cagrilitide starting low to see how it effects me and decrease the terzepatide. The motsc I am going to start at 1mg first thing in the am when I wake. I need that energy when I cut since I don't use caffeine any longer. How should I dose my cagrilitide throw this experiment is my main question? If you want to give dosages for motsc protocol here great but we have a great thread by harleyguy got that already I can go to. I plan to decrease my terzepatide every 2 weeks or so. I am going to have to switch to research terzepatide while I do this because I can only get one dosage amount per month with my prescription. I have already reduced from 15mg a week down to 12.5 mg a week for now. I will stay here for a few weeks and get on the cagrilitide before I got to 10mg. I look forward to all yours suggestions and advice specially since this is a more rare situation to deal with. I may when I get down low enough I may go off the drug for a little a while and let the receptors get. A break. I hear when people come off the antagonist when they go back on they end up using less and not having to increase up like they did previously. Always worth a try if my A1C doesn't go up into the diabetes range. Thanks for reading my long post.

I reckon I get similar with the GH mate (at least I think it's the GH and it makes sense based on when I started using it). Not hunger but a desire for food. And yes I think sweet food in particular. I do what you do with the yoghurt and protein powder; low fat Greek yoghurt, chocolate WPI and almond butter. I pretty much have to have it every night.

 

[LevButlerov]

I am not switching to Reta I am just wanting to lower my terzepatide. I have to move in 2.5 mg doses because that is what my prescription comes in. I will probably switch to Reta when it becomes available, doctor approves the switch and insurance pays for it. My doctor manages my stuff for diabetes. So I am going to stay with what he prescribed when it comes to that. I just don't see the point any longer using high dose when 2.5 mg controls my glucose and A1C numbers. After reading Lev thread on cagrilitide I am going to start with 1mg and go from there.

That makes more sense then, I thought you want to do a tirz to reta+cag switch.
if 2.5mg tirzepatide is holding your glucose and A1C, there is no reason to force a high dose just because you got there before. i think before you said you were up to 12.5mgs right+? thats high
I would still keep the cagrilintide start conservative at 1mg like you said, hold each change long enough to actually judge it, and do not adjust tirzepatide, cagrilintide, GH, and food all at once or you will never know what is driving the hunger or cravings. Biggest thing here is keep updating your log so we can see how this goes. @kcates

 

[Mobster]

Lev is correct

 

[kcates]

That makes more sense then, I thought you want to do a tirz to reta+cag switch.
if 2.5mg tirzepatide is holding your glucose and A1C, there is no reason to force a high dose just because you got there before. i think before you said you were up to 12.5mgs right+? thats high
I would still keep the cagrilintide start conservative at 1mg like you said, hold each change long enough to actually judge it, and do not adjust tirzepatide, cagrilintide, GH, and food all at once or you will never know what is driving the hunger or cravings. Biggest thing here is keep updating your log so we can see how this goes. @kcates

I have no plans of changing my GH I am staying at 3 iu a day as my hormone replacement dose. Only plan is to decrease my tirzepatide and add in the cag to curb any additional food noise that could come up during the decrease and stay at 1mg as long as it's working to keep food noise away. Then increase at .5mg at a time if I feel the need to increase at some point. Plan is to stay as low of dose of cag as possible as well. Once I get my tirzepatide down I will just use cag as my food noise controller. Motsc 1mg I am adding for energy for daily life specially now summer is coming up. GH has helped in that department a lot already. That was my plan before posting this already. I wanted to hear community feedback and thoughts see if I was on the wrong track.

 

[stevesmi]

I would like to hear from as many of you as possible on how you guys think I should go about reducing my terzepatide and cutting my food cravings. Since I have started using GH I get way more sweet cravings or glucose cravings on it. Now I am always looking for gummy bears and ice cream. Doesn't help when Easter baskets are around with gummy candy in them. I ce cream I found a substitute which is Greek fat yogurt with 2 protein scoops, honey and a pinch of salt. Regardless of that I am at the top dose of terzepatide and it doesn't stop food cravings any longer. It works great for my diabetes but I bet it would work great for diabetes at 2.5 mg still. So I am going to decrease back down to 2.5- 5 mg. I have cagrilitide and motsc on the way. I am going to dose the cagrilitide starting low to see how it effects me and decrease the terzepatide. The motsc I am going to start at 1mg first thing in the am when I wake. I need that energy when I cut since I don't use caffeine any longer. How should I dose my cagrilitide throw this experiment is my main question? If you want to give dosages for motsc protocol here great but we have a great thread by harleyguy got that already I can go to. I plan to decrease my terzepatide every 2 weeks or so. I am going to have to switch to research terzepatide while I do this because I can only get one dosage amount per month with my prescription. I have already reduced from 15mg a week down to 12.5 mg a week for now. I will stay here for a few weeks and get on the cagrilitide before I got to 10mg. I look forward to all yours suggestions and advice specially since this is a more rare situation to deal with. I may when I get down low enough I may go off the drug for a little a while and let the receptors get. A break. I hear when people come off the antagonist when they go back on they end up using less and not having to increase up like they did previously. Always worth a try if my A1C doesn't go up into the diabetes range. Thanks for reading my long post.

@kcates yeah i was gonna say get on the cag. also as hard as it seems don't keep junk in your house. hard with other people living there but in my house i don't allow junk food at all. my gf does hide shit from me which is fine lol but it is never out in the open

 

[Ulter]

I would like to hear from as many of you as possible on how you guys think I should go about reducing my terzepatide and cutting my food cravings. Since I have started using GH I get way more sweet cravings or glucose cravings on it. Now I am always looking for gummy bears and ice cream. Doesn't help when Easter baskets are around with gummy candy in them. I ce cream I found a substitute which is Greek fat yogurt with 2 protein scoops, honey and a pinch of salt. Regardless of that I am at the top dose of terzepatide and it doesn't stop food cravings any longer. It works great for my diabetes but I bet it would work great for diabetes at 2.5 mg still. So I am going to decrease back down to 2.5- 5 mg. I have cagrilitide and motsc on the way. I am going to dose the cagrilitide starting low to see how it effects me and decrease the terzepatide. The motsc I am going to start at 1mg first thing in the am when I wake. I need that energy when I cut since I don't use caffeine any longer. How should I dose my cagrilitide throw this experiment is my main question? If you want to give dosages for motsc protocol here great but we have a great thread by harleyguy got that already I can go to. I plan to decrease my terzepatide every 2 weeks or so. I am going to have to switch to research terzepatide while I do this because I can only get one dosage amount per month with my prescription. I have already reduced from 15mg a week down to 12.5 mg a week for now. I will stay here for a few weeks and get on the cagrilitide before I got to 10mg. I look forward to all yours suggestions and advice specially since this is a more rare situation to deal with. I may when I get down low enough I may go off the drug for a little a while and let the receptors get. A break. I hear when people come off the antagonist when they go back on they end up using less and not having to increase up like they did previously. Always worth a try if my A1C doesn't go up into the diabetes range. Thanks for reading my long post.

Every time you're about to eat something that is not healthy, just think of me wagging my finger in front of you and telling you no. That is what you need to take a look at. @kcates

 

[kcates]

@kcates yeah i was gonna say get on the cag. also as hard as it seems don't keep junk in your house. hard with other people living there but in my house i don't allow junk food at all. my gf does hide shit from me which is fine lol but it is never out in the open

Yeah I got kids and a wife and it's not worth the fight with my wife over it. They only show up over the holidays like Christmas, Valentine's Day, Halloween, and Easter. But since on gh I crave chocolate after dinner. Sonny solution now is I make my own fake ice cream with Greek yogurt 2 scoops of protein powder honey and pinch of salt. That is working for me not to grab chocolate ice cream.

 

[kcates]

Every time you're about to eat something that is not healthy, just think of me wagging my finger in front of you and telling you no. That is what you need to take a look at. @kcates

I have never been one to take direction or follow the rules though. That's why I have been locked up in more county jails then I can remember and 2 prison bids. I usually need more then a finger shaking. A couple years locked down keeps me straight for a few years at least. Lol

 

[stevesmi]

Yeah I got kids and a wife and it's not worth the fight with my wife over it. They only show up over the holidays like Christmas, Valentine's Day, Halloween, and Easter. But since on gh I crave chocolate after dinner. Sonny solution now is I make my own fake ice cream with Greek yogurt 2 scoops of protein powder honey and pinch of salt. That is working for me not to grab chocolate ice cream.

try lowering your hgh. its counter productive if you are craving on it.

 

[2Thick]

I would like to hear from as many of you as possible on how you guys think I should go about reducing my terzepatide and cutting my food cravings. Since I have started using GH I get way more sweet cravings or glucose cravings on it. Now I am always looking for gummy bears and ice cream. Doesn't help when Easter baskets are around with gummy candy in them. I ce cream I found a substitute which is Greek fat yogurt with 2 protein scoops, honey and a pinch of salt. Regardless of that I am at the top dose of terzepatide and it doesn't stop food cravings any longer. It works great for my diabetes but I bet it would work great for diabetes at 2.5 mg still. So I am going to decrease back down to 2.5- 5 mg. I have cagrilitide and motsc on the way. I am going to dose the cagrilitide starting low to see how it effects me and decrease the terzepatide. The motsc I am going to start at 1mg first thing in the am when I wake. I need that energy when I cut since I don't use caffeine any longer. How should I dose my cagrilitide throw this experiment is my main question? If you want to give dosages for motsc protocol here great but we have a great thread by harleyguy got that already I can go to. I plan to decrease my terzepatide every 2 weeks or so. I am going to have to switch to research terzepatide while I do this because I can only get one dosage amount per month with my prescription. I have already reduced from 15mg a week down to 12.5 mg a week for now. I will stay here for a few weeks and get on the cagrilitide before I got to 10mg. I look forward to all yours suggestions and advice specially since this is a more rare situation to deal with. I may when I get down low enough I may go off the drug for a little a while and let the receptors get. A break. I hear when people come off the antagonist when they go back on they end up using less and not having to increase up like they did previously. Always worth a try if my A1C doesn't go up into the diabetes range. Thanks for reading my long post.

It's a tough question. It would be like someone who was addicted to alcohol keeping alcohol around their house. I think your family can work with you if you just explain to them, "Hey I've got an addiction to sugar. You got to not keep the stuff around me." That's all.

 

[MarkNV]

It's a tough question. It would be like someone who was addicted to alcohol keeping alcohol around their house. I think your family can work with you if you just explain to them, "Hey I've got an addiction to sugar. You got to not keep the stuff around me." That's all.

That simplifies it

 

[ROIDDERS]

I am not switching to Reta I am just wanting to lower my terzepatide. I have to move in 2.5 mg doses because that is what my prescription comes in. I will probably switch to Reta when it becomes available, doctor approves the switch and insurance pays for it. My doctor manages my stuff for diabetes. So I am going to stay with what he prescribed when it comes to that. I just don't see the point any longer using high dose when 2.5 mg controls my glucose and A1C numbers. After reading Lev thread on cagrilitide I am going to start with 1mg and go from there.

@kcates a lot of people say reta has less appetite suppression. so might be good to stick to tirz. with diabetes gonna need to make some adjustments

 

[ceo]

I have no plans of changing my GH I am staying at 3 iu a day as my hormone replacement dose. Only plan is to decrease my tirzepatide and add in the cag to curb any additional food noise that could come up during the decrease and stay at 1mg as long as it's working to keep food noise away. Then increase at .5mg at a time if I feel the need to increase at some point. Plan is to stay as low of dose of cag as possible as well. Once I get my tirzepatide down I will just use cag as my food noise controller. Motsc 1mg I am adding for energy for daily life specially now summer is coming up. GH has helped in that department a lot already. That was my plan before posting this already. I wanted to hear community feedback and thoughts see if I was on the wrong track.

bros maybe the hgh causing you to have hard time with appetite. that could be effecting it . just a thought @kcates

 

[kcates]

try lowering your hgh. its counter productive if you are craving on it.

I thought about that. I am going to start the cagrilitide and see if that stops all my cravings. Then take it from there.

 

[kcates]

bros maybe the hgh causing you to have hard time with appetite. that could be effecting it . just a thought @kcates

Maybe, but the food noise has been an issue since before the HGH. Ever since I went from 7.5mg to 10mg which was back in Aug It had had no effect on my food noise. The food noise had stopped way before then but I had stayed at 7.5mg for a long time because I was actually wanting to eat to grow. Then I. Want to lose some more fat starting back in Aug. But raising the dose did nothing to help me not want to eat. I have felt the same on the terzepatide. It is working great for my glucose and A1C but even my doctor says it's not doing all the work me starting exercising and changing my diet has a lot to do with that as well. When I started the terzepatide I also started to workout the same week and started changing my diet then as well. I don't know how much of each thing has moved the needle because I have continued all 3 since.

 

[kcates]

@kcates a lot of people say reta has less appetite suppression. so might be good to stick to tirz. with diabetes gonna need to make some adjustments

Per my blood work I don't have diabetes I have reversed it with exercise, diet and the terzepatide..like I was just saying to CEO my doctor told me the terzepatide didn't do all of it. Me changing my diet and begining exercise has a lot to do with that as well. Since I have continued all 3 we can't say which has moved the needle the most but the medicine set me on this path that did change my life so now I just continue all 3 plus now TRT.

 

[stevesmi]

I thought about that. I am going to start the cagrilitide and see if that stops all my cravings. Then take it from there.

i've not used cag but that should work based on what i've seen. hgh really 1-2iu's is all you need. anything more is for more advanced guys

if i do go the hgh route down the line i will pin 1iu a day that is it. remember its a pulse, its not like using test for trt which shuts what you produce and replaces. hgh is a pulse add on

 

[kcates]

That simplifies it

I have and the response is just because u decided to change doesn't mean we all have to live like you do. Which is true. I have learned to just lead by example and do my best. I don't want y'all to think I am pounding gummy bears and chocolate ice cream every day. That's not the case. It's like maybe once or twice a week I will have some. It's not like I have fallen off the wagon. I don't have any aspirations of competing in anything or getting below 10% body fat. I be happy around 12 - 15% and just get bigger muscle wise. I have no one to impress but myself or my wife and I really just want to get bigger and stronger like mobster or roidrage69. In general I just love being in the gym working out and getting bigger and stronger. I enjoy experimenting with pepetides and steroids. I had a lady ask me the last week what I was training for and I told her nothing and she was asking why. I told her I just love being in the gym working out and hanging with the people who are like me or have aspirations to compete. It's just my happy place and more of a mental peace for me to do all this.

 

[kcates]

I reckon I get similar with the GH mate (at least I think it's the GH and it makes sense based on when I started using it). Not hunger but a desire for food. And yes I think sweet food in particular. I do what you do with the yoghurt and protein powder; low fat Greek yoghurt, chocolate WPI and almond butter. I pretty much have to have it every night.

What is chocolate wpi?

 

[ballin2504]

The guys are right with the Reta and cag combo

 

[waggat]

What is chocolate wpi?

Sorry just Whey Protein Isolate.

 

[MarkNV]

I have and the response is just because u decided to change doesn't mean we all have to live like you do. Which is true. I have learned to just lead by example and do my best. I don't want y'all to think I am pounding gummy bears and chocolate ice cream every day. That's not the case. It's like maybe once or twice a week I will have some. It's not like I have fallen off the wagon. I don't have any aspirations of competing in anything or getting below 10% body fat. I be happy around 12 - 15% and just get bigger muscle wise. I have no one to impress but myself or my wife and I really just want to get bigger and stronger like mobster or roidrage69. In general I just love being in the gym working out and getting bigger and stronger. I enjoy experimenting with pepetides and steroids. I had a lady ask me the last week what I was training for and I told her nothing and she was asking why. I told her I just love being in the gym working out and hanging with the people who are like me or have aspirations to compete. It's just my happy place and more of a mental peace for me to do all this.

Bro!! You work your ass off, it shows how disciplined you are, everyone is brainstorming for ideas to help!! You are a badass,
Of course your not in the corner pounding gummy bears and donuts!!
It takes a lot of mental strength to keep doing what you are doing!! Don’t ever quit, you will achieve your goals
You are great!

 

[LevButlerov]

I have no plans of changing my GH I am staying at 3 iu a day as my hormone replacement dose. Only plan is to decrease my tirzepatide and add in the cag to curb any additional food noise that could come up during the decrease and stay at 1mg as long as it's working to keep food noise away. Then increase at .5mg at a time if I feel the need to increase at some point. Plan is to stay as low of dose of cag as possible as well. Once I get my tirzepatide down I will just use cag as my food noise controller. Motsc 1mg I am adding for energy for daily life specially now summer is coming up. GH has helped in that department a lot already. That was my plan before posting this already. I wanted to hear community feedback and thoughts see if I was on the wrong track.

thats fine lets try it start cutting down tirz and add cagrilintide and lets see how it goes @kcates

 

[toddthelineman]

It's a tough question. It would be like someone who was addicted to alcohol keeping alcohol around their house. I think your family can work with you if you just explain to them, "Hey I've got an addiction to sugar. You got to not keep the stuff around me." That's all.

Literally an addiction that was and can still kill him slowly but surely. I absolutely did tell my kids no junk food out in the open. I’ll either eat it all or throw it away. Diabetes ain’t half of it. My buddy was a pro athlete for years and never really over weight and he died of pancreatic cancer. Had a mean sweet tooth.

 

[ceo]

Maybe, but the food noise has been an issue since before the HGH. Ever since I went from 7.5mg to 10mg which was back in Aug It had had no effect on my food noise. The food noise had stopped way before then but I had stayed at 7.5mg for a long time because I was actually wanting to eat to grow. Then I. Want to lose some more fat starting back in Aug. But raising the dose did nothing to help me not want to eat. I have felt the same on the terzepatide. It is working great for my glucose and A1C but even my doctor says it's not doing all the work me starting exercising and changing my diet has a lot to do with that as well. When I started the terzepatide I also started to workout the same week and started changing my diet then as well. I don't know how much of each thing has moved the needle because I have continued all 3 since.

Bros, I know what you're talking about. When I visit my family in Alabama, they always have all this food: cornbread, fried cabbage, fried chicken, and a lot of junk food and sweets. It's hard for me to resist.

 

[MarkNV]

Bros, I know what you're talking about. When I visit my family in Alabama, they always have all this food: cornbread, fried cabbage, fried chicken, and a lot of junk food and sweets. It's hard for me to resist.

Its hard to resist because it is good!!! FRIED CABBAGE!! FRIED CHICKEN!! CORNBREAD!!!
Brother man, Please!!

 

[ceo]

Its hard to resist because it is good!!! FRIED CABBAGE!! FRIED CHICKEN!! CORNBREAD!!!
Brother man, Please!!

bros haha. that why are my relatives 300+ pounds

 

[MarkNV]

bros haha. that why are my relatives 300+ pounds

I lived in Millington TN, Jacksonville Fl and Virginia Beach. My best friend in Chattanooga and an ex wife in Huntington AL…. Ive seen what good southern cooking can do. But damn damn damn damn damn it is good

 

[ceo]

I lived in Millington TN, Jacksonville Fl and Virginia Beach. My best friend in Chattanooga and an ex wife in Huntington AL…. Ive seen what good southern cooking can do. But damn damn damn damn damn it is good

Bros, yeah you should have seen my pictures when I was a teenager. I was very fat from that food Granny used to make a lot of good meals.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Per my blood work I don't have diabetes I have reversed it with exercise, diet and the terzepatide..like I was just saying to CEO my doctor told me the terzepatide didn't do all of it. Me changing my diet and begining exercise has a lot to do with that as well. Since I have continued all 3 we can't say which has moved the needle the most but the medicine set me on this path that did change my life so now I just continue all 3 plus now TRT.

That's great that you were able to reverse it and it shows it can be done.

 

[MarkNV]

Bros, yeah you should have seen my pictures when I was a teenager. I was very fat from that food Granny used to make a lot of good meals.

Mac and Cheese!! If I wasn’t in the service at the time, I would have blown up huge

 

[Ulter]

I have never been one to take direction or follow the rules though. That's why I have been locked up in more county jails then I can remember and 2 prison bids. I usually need more then a finger shaking. A couple years locked down keeps me straight for a few years at least. Lol

sounds like you need to be locked up in a basement
I'll show up once a day just to beat the crap out of you. 2 weeks of therapy
and then you'll be cured of your addiction. lol

 

[2Thick]

Literally an addiction that was and can still kill him slowly but surely. I absolutely did tell my kids no junk food out in the open. I’ll either eat it all or throw it away. Diabetes ain’t half of it. My buddy was a pro athlete for years and never really over weight and he died of pancreatic cancer. Had a mean sweet tooth.

Sugar is definitely a killer. It's a magnet to disease.

 

[ceo]

Mac and Cheese!! If I wasn’t in the service at the time, I would have blown up huge

bros yeah can't forget about that with added bacon too

 

[MarkNV]

bros yeah can't forget about that with added bacon too

Bacon in everything