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2nd Cycle - Test + Deca

nulaxy89

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Hey everyone,

I've previously done a Test-E only cycle at 12-weeks and had some great results and no serious sides or reactions, and now a few years later after finishing a cut I'm considering starting another cycle, this time with Deca as well. Previously on the Test-E only cycle, started at 500mg a week and ended up at 750. Goals are to bulk up lean after my cut.

Stats:
5'11", 200lbs ~13% BF (Just finished a cut, down from 220lb)

Planned cycle:
Weeks 1-12 - Test-E @ 500mg (Mon,Thur jabs)
Weeks 1-10 - Deca @ 300mg

Support:
Weeks 1-19 - Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Weeks 1-12 - Caber 0.25mg EOD

PCT:
Perfect PCT w:
Weeks 15-19 - Clomid @ 50/50/25/25/12.5

Does this sound alright? I guess question is if I should add Proviron preventatively at 25-50mg ED - I'm encountering hairloss/thinning hair so not sure I want to 'supplement' with DHT if not needed, but I guess it'd be nice to have on hand if I get deca dick. Also I've heard conflicting opinions on if Deca needs to be stopped 2 weeks earlier than end of cycle or not, definitely don't want to cap my gains from it if not needed.

Thanks!
 
nulaxy89 said:
Hey everyone,

I've previously done a Test-E only cycle at 12-weeks and had some great results and no serious sides or reactions, and now a few years later after finishing a cut I'm considering starting another cycle, this time with Deca as well. Previously on the Test-E only cycle, started at 500mg a week and ended up at 750. Goals are to bulk up lean after my cut.

Stats:
5'11", 200lbs ~13% BF (Just finished a cut, down from 220lb)

Planned cycle:
Weeks 1-12 - Test-E @ 500mg (Mon,Thur jabs)
Weeks 1-10 - Deca @ 300mg

Support:
Weeks 1-19 - Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Weeks 1-12 - Caber 0.25mg EOD

PCT:
Perfect PCT w:
Weeks 15-19 - Clomid @ 50/50/25/25/12.5

Does this sound alright? I guess question is if I should add Proviron preventatively at 25-50mg ED - I'm encountering hairloss/thinning hair so not sure I want to 'supplement' with DHT if not needed, but I guess it'd be nice to have on hand if I get deca dick. Also I've heard conflicting opinions on if Deca needs to be stopped 2 weeks earlier than end of cycle or not, definitely don't want to cap my gains from it if not needed.

Thanks!
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I like your cycle Test+Deca and you have good cycle support but you're missing a few things. You dont have organ liver support, add n2guard.

For PCT, Clomid is not enough, add Nolvadex and n2generate es for a full PCT.
 
Awesome thanks for the feedback. I'll definitely go with a cycle support and test-booster too, thanks.

For some reason I was thinking I didn't need Nolvadex also on this cycle, glad I checked again. I think I was just getting confused by remembering some broscience about avoiding Nolva with deca.
 
JasonPriest said:
yes add that proviron and no you won't have hair issues on this stack as bad as other steroids
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BodyMonster34 said:
bro deca and proviron a good steroid run, lotta good gains
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Sounds like its a go then, thanks. I guess if the hairloss concern isn't too bad I'll be much happier having more gains and a working dick on cycle.
 
nulaxy89 said:
Awesome thanks for the feedback. I'll definitely go with a cycle support and test-booster too, thanks.

For some reason I was thinking I didn't need Nolvadex also on this cycle, glad I checked again. I think I was just getting confused by remembering some broscience about avoiding Nolva with deca.
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I don't know if you need nolvadex, I don't see why you need it ON-CYCLE but in PCT I do use nolvadex.

I wouldn't stack Deca Durabolin with nolvadex (nandrolones with tamoxifen) but in PCT that doesn't apply.
 
I like to keep my test and deca doses closer to equal but everyone is different on what they prefer and the only real way to find that out is through trial and error...

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well… N2Guard plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on…N2Guard helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.



clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
N2Guard https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/N2-GUARD-p75.html
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS) www.sarms.forsale
gw-501516 20 mg day www.sarms.forsale
 
Your cycle looks solid, let us know how you did, just add some N2GUARD for organ support
 
I would lower test dose to 300 but that's just me. Currently running test deca at 300/300 and it's very effective. Weight and strength is up. Bigger test doses seem to exacerbate disk problems with deca.
 
Tiger Salman Khan said:
Cycle looks good to me....keep a check on your diet....
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Thanks! I've been on a pretty consistent calorie deficit this spring and summer, so I'll be easing back into maintenance and then start going to a mild surplus before starting the cycle. I definitely want to make sure I'm eating enough to fuel the cycle's growth but want to not overdo it and take on too much fat/water retention, so I'll take it step by step.
 
It depends how you handle test sides for me I always run my deca higher then my test .
I’m more for letting the other compound do the work.
At the end of the day ratios are not a really thing what so ever .
I have ran deca every which way and for my self low test is always better due to test side I don’t handle high test well at all.
 
Thanks everyone for the help here, I decided to keep the T at 500 as last time we went up to 750 and handled it quite well, then just decided to keep Deca at 400 - it was hard to find a consensus on the ratio between these two as everyone seems to recommend different ones, but the 2:1 seemed most classic. I guess as deca was the newer compound for me thought starting lower was a better idea and then ramping it up more if I was handling it fine.

So just started week 3 here and woke up today to sensitive nipples. I hadn't had any gyno/nipple effects previously with just the T, so thinking this is due possibly spiking progesterone levels with the deca (would it cause this that quickly as I thought deca took a while to warm up?)? On the supporting supps side I'm just taking 0.25mg Caber EOD and 12.5 Aromasin EOD, should I increase/double these as they're already quite low from what I've seen others starting with?

Thanks!
 
Apologies for some above typos, to clarify I went with 500:400 Test:Deca, so a bit closer to 1:1 than original plan. Started with just the 25mg Proviron, but considering increasing to 50mg as most people recommend here, especially >=400m Deca.

On the nipple front - really seems like too early for this to occur due to the ramp up time of both of the compounds, but to play it safe I think I'll just switch the aromasin to 12.5 ED.

I guess I could get bloodwork, but worried as its too early it wouldn't be so helpful really yet - maybe I'll hold off another week or two? Or think I could already verify any issues already?
 
nulaxy89 said:
Thanks everyone for the help here, I decided to keep the T at 500 as last time we went up to 750 and handled it quite well, then just decided to keep Deca at 400 - it was hard to find a consensus on the ratio between these two as everyone seems to recommend different ones, but the 2:1 seemed most classic. I guess as deca was the newer compound for me thought starting lower was a better idea and then ramping it up more if I was handling it fine.

So just started week 3 here and woke up today to sensitive nipples. I hadn't had any gyno/nipple effects previously with just the T, so thinking this is due possibly spiking progesterone levels with the deca (would it cause this that quickly as I thought deca took a while to warm up?)? On the supporting supps side I'm just taking 0.25mg Caber EOD and 12.5 Aromasin EOD, should I increase/double these as they're already quite low from what I've seen others starting with?

Thanks!
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You're taking enough cabergoline and aromasin, bumping them wouldn't fix the gyno. I suggest adding 60mgs nolvadex (tamoxifen)/day and add some n2generate es 3 tabs/day for testosterone/estrogen natural control.
 
Robthomas said:
It depends how you handle test sides for me I always run my deca higher then my test .
I’m more for letting the other compound do the work.
At the end of the day ratios are not a really thing what so ever .
I have ran deca every which way and for my self low test is always better due to test side I don’t handle high test well at all.
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i agree 1000%

this whole ratio thing is a bunch of bro science bullshit

let the steroid do the work, that is the whole purpose of them developing
 
nulaxy89 said:
Apologies for some above typos, to clarify I went with 500:400 Test:Deca, so a bit closer to 1:1 than original plan. Started with just the 25mg Proviron, but considering increasing to 50mg as most people recommend here, especially >=400m Deca.

On the nipple front - really seems like too early for this to occur due to the ramp up time of both of the compounds, but to play it safe I think I'll just switch the aromasin to 12.5 ED.

I guess I could get bloodwork, but worried as its too early it wouldn't be so helpful really yet - maybe I'll hold off another week or two? Or think I could already verify any issues already?
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check out steves info on bloodwork
 
stevesmi said:
i agree 1000%

this whole ratio thing is a bunch of bro science bullshit

let the steroid do the work, that is the whole purpose of them developing
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Your right forsure steve!

I been running deca only forTRT 2.5 months now with just proviron and my libido is fine and feel good .
 
Add some NOLVADEX, 60mgs daily, this should work
 
nulaxy89 said:
Thanks everyone for the help here, I decided to keep the T at 500 as last time we went up to 750 and handled it quite well, then just decided to keep Deca at 400 - it was hard to find a consensus on the ratio between these two as everyone seems to recommend different ones, but the 2:1 seemed most classic. I guess as deca was the newer compound for me thought starting lower was a better idea and then ramping it up more if I was handling it fine.

So just started week 3 here and woke up today to sensitive nipples. I hadn't had any gyno/nipple effects previously with just the T, so thinking this is due possibly spiking progesterone levels with the deca (would it cause this that quickly as I thought deca took a while to warm up?)? On the supporting supps side I'm just taking 0.25mg Caber EOD and 12.5 Aromasin EOD, should I increase/double these as they're already quite low from what I've seen others starting with?

Thanks!
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By all means adjust them up. You are proof positive that we need to tweak stuff for our individual responses.
 
I do have some liquid Nolva on hand for PCT, but just now confused with the recommendations of taking it on cycle as searching 'deca and nolva' on the forums brings up numerous threads saying basically it's a big no no and can make gyno issues worse:

"You never want to use nolvadex when using a nandrolone like deca, npp or tren because it up regulates the progesterone receptor."

Which makes me think I should switch to daily (from every other) caber/aromasin? Obviously want to nip any gyno issues in the bud before they become more than just mildly sensitive nipples but want to make sure I'm understanding fully.
 
nulaxy89 said:
I do have some liquid Nolva on hand for PCT, but just now confused with the recommendations of taking it on cycle as searching 'deca and nolva' on the forums brings up numerous threads saying basically it's a big no no and can make gyno issues worse:

"You never want to use nolvadex when using a nandrolone like deca, npp or tren because it up regulates the progesterone receptor."

Which makes me think I should switch to daily (from every other) caber/aromasin? Obviously want to nip any gyno issues in the bud before they become more than just mildly sensitive nipples but want to make sure I'm understanding fully.
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It probably isn't the best to use nolvadex with trenbolone. You should try to increase dostinex cabergoline BUT not daily do EOD 0.25mgs for 2 weeks but lowering deca dose and adding nolvadex could save the situation. Since it might not be progesterone related.
 
nulaxy89 said:
I do have some liquid Nolva on hand for PCT, but just now confused with the recommendations of taking it on cycle as searching 'deca and nolva' on the forums brings up numerous threads saying basically it's a big no no and can make gyno issues worse:

"You never want to use nolvadex when using a nandrolone like deca, npp or tren because it up regulates the progesterone receptor."

Which makes me think I should switch to daily (from every other) caber/aromasin? Obviously want to nip any gyno issues in the bud before they become more than just mildly sensitive nipples but want to make sure I'm understanding fully.
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why would you use nolvadex on cycle anyway? save it for pct
 
Eddie Haskell said:
It probably isn't the best to use nolvadex with trenbolone. You should try to increase dostinex cabergoline BUT not daily do EOD 0.25mgs for 2 weeks but lowering deca dose and adding nolvadex could save the situation. Since it might not be progesterone related.
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I've been on 0.25mg of Caber EOD since cycle start. So if thats already a sufficient dose and I'm having these sides, maybe thats pointing more towards non-progesterone related, and should adjust the AI or just do the Nolva if it is cleared for on-cycle with T+Deca.

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JasonPriest said:
why would you use nolvadex on cycle anyway? save it for pct
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That was the original plan, if you look back at the posts in this thread since I brought up my week 3 sensitive nips, many people have been recommending it to combat gyno sides but still not sure whats best.
 
Eddie Haskell said:
It probably isn't the best to use nolvadex with trenbolone. You should try to increase dostinex cabergoline BUT not daily do EOD 0.25mgs for 2 weeks but lowering deca dose and adding nolvadex could save the situation. Since it might not be progesterone related.
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bro napsgear got some sweet ass caber, used it last tren run
 
nulaxy89 said:
I've been on 0.25mg of Caber EOD since cycle start. So if thats already a sufficient dose and I'm having these sides, maybe thats pointing more towards non-progesterone related, and should adjust the AI or just do the Nolva if it is cleared for on-cycle with T+Deca.

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That was the original plan, if you look back at the posts in this thread since I brought up my week 3 sensitive nips, many people have been recommending it to combat gyno sides but still not sure whats best.
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Let's start with that. It's a 'what I have vs what I need' thing. You can also adjust the doses of what you have up or down slightly aka tweaking to suit you
 
I have never used nolvadex on cycle it’s always been a pct thing for me
 
Just an update here, ended up increasing my Aromasin to 25mg ED and the Caber to .5MG EOD, and my nipple sensitivity dissipated and everything has been fine since. I had a doctor checkup to get bloods (still waiting) and also have him inspect me for any fat formation in my pecs and was cleared, so feel pretty good about everything.

Something else to report is that the last month has probably been the horniest month of my life (weeks 4-8 on cycle). I've usually been like a need to 'go' every three days type of guy, so maybe mid-range libido, but now I've been distractingly horny 24/7 and having to handle it daily/multiple-times a day. I don't completely hate it, but it has ridiculously made me not so focused at work, haha. I'm guessing this is the Proviron and Caber? I think I'd be interested in keeping a bit of it after if its possibly to like do mild dosages of either on a recurring basis, but probably wouldn't want this same level for good.
 
Thanks for the update, I am planning a similar cycle.

Can someone explain the reason for the proviron with Deca?
 
I use proviron, and caber or prami, with nandrolone or trenbolone to help with libido and sexual performance
 
mikedee said:
Thanks for the update, I am planning a similar cycle.

Can someone explain the reason for the proviron with Deca?
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years ago i came up with the idea to use proviron with nandrolone.

nandrolone = DHN in the body, so you need a DHT derivative to offset that. to balance things out. proviron is the best DHT out there since it is not liver toxic and it has virtually zero sides. since then guys have followed my idea and i haven't heard a single complaint from anyone.
 
Finally got my bloods back (two weeks!) I'm in NYC and everything is backed up with the COVID tests I guess.

T: 2482
Free T: 742
Es: 50

So, I guess my Estrogen is on the higher end - at this point I guess I'll just ride it out as I only have a few weeks left of the cycle and no real materializing estrogen sides.
 
nulaxy89 said:
Finally got my bloods back (two weeks!) I'm in NYC and everything is backed up with the COVID tests I guess.

T: 2482
Free T: 742
Es: 50

So, I guess my Estrogen is on the higher end - at this point I guess I'll just ride it out as I only have a few weeks left of the cycle and no real materializing estrogen sides.
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Your estrogen is much higher end, you should really get aromasin and or nolvadex in the system.

In your pct make sure you get nolvadex, clomid, n2generate es and drop in aromasin 1 dose per week for 2 weeks low dose.
 
Your results are expected, add nolvadex and clomid asap
 
Well I've been on 12.5mg Aromasin EOD since the start of the cycle, so 'ride it out' meant just keeping to that.

Do you think it's worth upping the Aromasin dose?

I guess I still have 3 weeks left in cycle, so PCT/Nolva was scheduled for in 5 weeks, but could just move that up too.

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Well to elaborate, planned PCT is not JUST Nolva, but:
- Nolva
- Clomid
- N2Generate
- Aromasin (continued through from cycle)
- sarms: MK + GW
 
nulaxy89 said:
Well I've been on 12.5mg Aromasin EOD since the start of the cycle, so 'ride it out' meant just keeping to that.

Do you think it's worth upping the Aromasin dose?

I guess I still have 3 weeks left in cycle, so PCT/Nolva was scheduled for in 5 weeks, but could just move that up too.

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Well to elaborate, planned PCT is not JUST Nolva, but:
- Nolva
- Clomid
- N2Generate
- Aromasin (continued through from cycle)
- sarms: MK + GW
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this is why i don't like people using test with deca. makes no sense
 
nulaxy89 said:
Well I've been on 12.5mg Aromasin EOD since the start of the cycle, so 'ride it out' meant just keeping to that.

Do you think it's worth upping the Aromasin dose?

I guess I still have 3 weeks left in cycle, so PCT/Nolva was scheduled for in 5 weeks, but could just move that up too.

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Well to elaborate, planned PCT is not JUST Nolva, but:
- Nolva
- Clomid
- N2Generate
- Aromasin (continued through from cycle)
- sarms: MK + GW
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2 things, in pct I would only use mk2866 ostarine first 2 week, after that drop it and use cardarine gw alone.

Aromasin only use first 2 weeks of pct, after that you need to let your aromatase enzyme recover, so pyramid down.

Nolvadex
Clomid
N2Generate
Aromasin
SARMS

That pct will work for sure but pyramid up and down. PCT for 6 weeks.
 
nulaxy89 said:
Well I've been on 12.5mg Aromasin EOD since the start of the cycle, so 'ride it out' meant just keeping to that.

Do you think it's worth upping the Aromasin dose?

I guess I still have 3 weeks left in cycle, so PCT/Nolva was scheduled for in 5 weeks, but could just move that up too.

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Well to elaborate, planned PCT is not JUST Nolva, but:
- Nolva
- Clomid
- N2Generate
- Aromasin (continued through from cycle)
- sarms: MK + GW
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Sometimes you DO need to tweak AI levels up or down a little
 
Here is your PCT combo: Nolvadex, Clomid, N2Generate ES or OSTAZOL
 
Thanks everyone for the advice, going to just raise my AI (aromasin) for rest of cycle and followed the advised modifications to the PCT.

stevesmi said:
this is why i don't like people using test with deca. makes no sense
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Can you elaborate here on what a simple cycle alternative would have been? This is just my second cycle (First was straight T), and this combo was widely recommended, and besides my estrogen numbers have had no real sides or water retention. I guess I'm just thinking ahead as thus far I'd consider this cycle a good success for me as I've loved the way I've felt on it and have been getting good results thus far, as long as I'm golden after PCT I'd want to think ahead about next year and what a good iteration would be without getting too complicated.
 
nulaxy89 said:
Thanks everyone for the advice, going to just raise my AI (aromasin) for rest of cycle and followed the advised modifications to the PCT.



Can you elaborate here on what a simple cycle alternative would have been? This is just my second cycle (First was straight T), and this combo was widely recommended, and besides my estrogen numbers have had no real sides or water retention. I guess I'm just thinking ahead as thus far I'd consider this cycle a good success for me as I've loved the way I've felt on it and have been getting good results thus far, as long as I'm golden after PCT I'd want to think ahead about next year and what a good iteration would be without getting too complicated.
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sure. when you run a bunch of test with deca you add unnecessary estrogenic side effects and AI issues.

if you must use test with deca i would only do a small amount. like 100-125mg at most. and make sure you run atleast 25mg a day proviron a day
 
stevesmi said:
sure. when you run a bunch of test with deca you add unnecessary estrogenic side effects and AI issues.

if you must use test with deca i would only do a small amount. like 100-125mg at most. and make sure you run atleast 25mg a day proviron a day
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I agree smaller deca dose higher testosteron dose.
 
Thanks everyone for the continued help here!

Have the final injection tomorrow, so then on Wednesday will be starting the two week pre-PCT, where I'll continue with Aromasin, but then add GW.

After the two week pre-PCT, will add Clomid, Nolva and MK.

Should I discontinue caber and proviron after the last injection, phase that out or what? I am going to be sad to leave the proviron horniness behind...
 
nulaxy89 said:
Thanks everyone for the continued help here!

Have the final injection tomorrow, so then on Wednesday will be starting the two week pre-PCT, where I'll continue with Aromasin, but then add GW.

After the two week pre-PCT, will add Clomid, Nolva and MK.

Should I discontinue caber and proviron after the last injection, phase that out or what? I am going to be sad to leave the proviron horniness behind...
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Good pct but you need to get n2generate in pct or N2Generate es.

I would drop the proviron and cabergoline phase out slowly, with dostinex.
 
I just finished a blast with 300mg deca a couple weeks ago. Workout last night was disappointing. Felt like a mortal again. Lol. Amazing how much easier it is to push through a tough workout with that stuff.
 
Hey everyone,
Just thought I'd share a end of cycle update, as I got my body scanned with InBody again right at the end of PCT.

+10lbs: ~8lbs of Skeleton Muscle Mass, .8lbs of body fat, basically ending 10lbs heavier at same body fat %.

I was struggling a bit towards the end of the cycle eating surplus and I think I was averaging out at maintenance a bit, so think with that and the fact my BF didn't budge much I could have maybe pushed surplus even higher and tried to gain more, but overall very happy with this 2nd cycle considering the first one was quite a roller coaster weight wise and I messed up PCT and ended off where I started. Overall ending this year, after one huge cut and then this cycle with a really nice recomp ending: -11lbs of solid fat loss, and +8lbs of muscle.
 
nulaxy89 said:
Hey everyone,
Just thought I'd share a end of cycle update, as I got my body scanned with InBody again right at the end of PCT.

+10lbs: ~8lbs of Skeleton Muscle Mass, .8lbs of body fat, basically ending 10lbs heavier at same body fat %.

I was struggling a bit towards the end of the cycle eating surplus and I think I was averaging out at maintenance a bit, so think with that and the fact my BF didn't budge much I could have maybe pushed surplus even higher and tried to gain more, but overall very happy with this 2nd cycle considering the first one was quite a roller coaster weight wise and I messed up PCT and ended off where I started. Overall ending this year, after one huge cut and then this cycle with a really nice recomp ending: -11lbs of solid fat loss, and +8lbs of muscle.
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Good update I like that, bodyfat loss and muscle gains. You must look amazing congratulations.

when you doing your next cycle?
 
that's a result we all can respect
 
amazing results much respect
 
You have amazing results after a year.
 
Thanks everyone for the nice words! Still very happy with the results!

For next cycle, thinking about doing a sarms recomp heading into the summer as I'm just wanting to keep things tight and prob stay at maintenance/cut wee bit for the beach months, and loved the sarms triple stack I did last year and already have a bunch on-hand from sarms.4sale's last promo.

Then in fall do another T + Deca bulking program or something.
 
nulaxy89 said:
Thanks everyone for the nice words! Still very happy with the results!

For next cycle, thinking about doing a sarms recomp heading into the summer as I'm just wanting to keep things tight and prob stay at maintenance/cut wee bit for the beach months, and loved the sarms triple stack I did last year and already have a bunch on-hand from sarms.4sale's last promo.

Then in fall do another T + Deca bulking program or something.
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sarms recomp is a good idea. I'm going to recomp between cycles going into my cut cycle for a show.

What do you plan to recomp with?

I'm cycling: cardarine, testolone, ostarine
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
sarms recomp is a good idea. I'm going to recomp between cycles going into my cut cycle for a show.

What do you plan to recomp with?

I'm cycling: cardarine, testolone, ostarine
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I just went with the rec I saw most often here and the package on S4S, so three months of: S4, YK11, and RAD

I think I'm going to start out at maintenance cals, see how it goes then be open to more of a cut in month 2/3.

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BodyMonster34 said:
bro go with tren, fuck that shit
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The idea of tren is growing on me! But figure no rush, and should try another more basic cycle for my third to further dial in my sides/blood controls.
 
nulaxy89 said:
I just went with the rec I saw most often here and the package on S4S, so three months of: S4, YK11, and RAD

I think I'm going to start out at maintenance cals, see how it goes then be open to more of a cut in month 2/3.

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The idea of tren is growing on me! But figure no rush, and should try another more basic cycle for my third to further dial in my sides/blood controls.
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Nah do tren next cycle. 300 mg
 
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