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It depends on your doctor, but no. Not necessarily. And as long as you are IN range, most docs (disregarding HRT clinic docs) will say you are fine.
It depends on your doctor, but no. Not necessarily. And as long as you are IN range, most docs (disregarding HRT clinic docs) will say you are fine.
snackmachine
New Member
scuse' me whilst I makes my precious some popcorn.....
also the range for FREE test is 5-25.. the OP's was 850!!! bunk gear huh? wtf?
again I will gladly take that test off anyone's hand if they don't want those kinds of levels
Casca
bodybuilder
I remember the post and the labs provided. SD is solid in my book and until such time, is 1 of the sources I will use.
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badnews168
New member
I don't remember there ever being another negative comment towards robolics, he is still top notch in my book, I think it is foolish to write him off cause of one complaint
jerseydevil
Banned
And the hell of it is the guy wasn't complaining...
snackmachine
New Member
I think many (I) confused the free with total test. 850 free is insanely high. 850 total is a good trt result.
I would suggest of course just an suggestion. A blood work bank sub forum or thread of some sort. Maybe pool bloods for each source on here. Just an idea that would help keep everything in one place. I've never use ROBO so all my replies were just personal experiences. Bad batches do happen to everyone now and again, I'm not saying robo isn't good. But quality control only goes so far, some times stuff happens; however if the replacements are good then that's good stand up biz right there.
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My baseline from two separate tests was in the 50's before beginning TRT. I think dead men have more Serum T than that.
And Felicity, I said 200mg puts me anywhere from 800 up to about 1200 at highest. Usually in the 900's. But I've had outliers on both ends of the scale that I disregard.
That is using pharma stuff I get with my scripts.
I have tested a few UGLs too. I've found some to be on par, and some not. I've found some to use test E instead of test C. The results are very different.
The protocol I use is injecting every 7 days with Test C. I get blood drawn on the 7th day, before I do my next injection. I do this at a TRT dose. I've done this with doses ranging from 125mg to 200mg. I get blood draw after 7 days because the half-life of Test C is 8 days.
If I were to use Test E (and I have, UGL and pharma - galenika, and some iranian stuff), I would get blood drawn 4 or 5 days post injection because the half-life of test E is 4.5 days. Doing this, I've seen similar results as to using my protocol with Test C.
I do this protocol because it is how my doctor and I discussed doing it for my prescribed TRT. Test C, injected every 7 days, with blood drawn on the 7th day post injection.
I've been on doctor prescribed TRT for 4 years now. At first the tests were every 3 or 4 months. Then adjust dosing, wait and test again. Then tests were every 6 months, adjustments made if necessary. But my actual prescribed dose is 175mg/week due to how I respond. Am I a low responder? Possibly. But based on what I've seen from other users on boards I'm not that low of a responder. Some guys use 100mg a week and get 800-900ng/dl levels. Great! They will probably live longer than me too. It takes me at least 175mg to get there.
RunLiftFight
New member
lol
Btw usually I can find shit out using google rather effeciently. I try to not be the guy that asks something on a forum when he could easily have researched it himself, but as far as blood test results and protocol I am coming up short. I picked through to see if there was a sticky thread or something either and I can't find much.
1) At a certain point in this thread, I was told that I may have inaccurate blood test readings because I didn't follow a protocol of some sort getting tested. What I disclosed is that I was on 1 Gram of long ester for at least a couple of months and took my last shot (this was clarified after confirming) 4 days before the test. Is there a certain time of day one needs to have their blood drawn when getting their levels checked? What are the main factors in ensuring the results I get back are credible.
2) Here is the second piece of information I seem to have trouble obtaining.
-Which of the figures, "Free Testosterone" and "LC/MS/MS" are more important in focusing on to gauge how your gear is working? Are they both equally important?
-Some suggested that (my bloodtest protocal flaws aside) 1 gram of gear should put the LC/MS/MS in the >8000 range. Is this accurate? Does someone have a table that is widely agreed as accurate information, in which expected levels are displayed along with testosterone dosages?
My google searches bring up like webmd and other medical sites when I try to find the answers to these questions myself. I know I am beating a dead horse here, but my original post was to share that my levels came back blatantly above the normal range. The high for ranges for LC/MS/MS and Free Testosterone are 1100 and 155 respectively for a guy my age. My secondary goal with the post was to have someone explain the numbers to me a little better per the reasons above.
Btw usually I can find shit out using google rather effeciently. I try to not be the guy that asks something on a forum when he could easily have researched it himself, but as far as blood test results and protocol I am coming up short. I picked through to see if there was a sticky thread or something either and I can't find much.
1) At a certain point in this thread, I was told that I may have inaccurate blood test readings because I didn't follow a protocol of some sort getting tested. What I disclosed is that I was on 1 Gram of long ester for at least a couple of months and took my last shot (this was clarified after confirming) 4 days before the test. Is there a certain time of day one needs to have their blood drawn when getting their levels checked? What are the main factors in ensuring the results I get back are credible.
2) Here is the second piece of information I seem to have trouble obtaining.
-Which of the figures, "Free Testosterone" and "LC/MS/MS" are more important in focusing on to gauge how your gear is working? Are they both equally important?
-Some suggested that (my bloodtest protocal flaws aside) 1 gram of gear should put the LC/MS/MS in the >8000 range. Is this accurate? Does someone have a table that is widely agreed as accurate information, in which expected levels are displayed along with testosterone dosages?
My google searches bring up like webmd and other medical sites when I try to find the answers to these questions myself. I know I am beating a dead horse here, but my original post was to share that my levels came back blatantly above the normal range. The high for ranges for LC/MS/MS and Free Testosterone are 1100 and 155 respectively for a guy my age. My secondary goal with the post was to have someone explain the numbers to me a little better per the reasons above.
Oh, I was referring to your comment about getting levels over 2000 on 100mg. I'm pretty sure now you were being facetious though.
LOL @ this fucking clown.
i would assume thats why doctor's acceptable range is a good deal lower then alot of guys on here expect them to be.
Some doc just don't know what is best... Some guys that start out out 100mg jump right up to 800 900 others not so much. I'm about 5 months into my trt and responding much better now. 300mg is putting me over 1500 TT.. I'm thinking if I dropped back down to 100mg I would be closer to 700 now.. Receptor's are up..
-SD-
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Receptors have nothing to do with T Levels. There arent any receptors in that little vial of blood the nurse draws....
I don’t completely understand how it works, but when you get a blood test for TT it is looking at all the testosterone in your body bound and unbound. It’s my understanding that testosterone that is not bound will clear faster from your system. It’s like taking 1000mg of Vitamin C. Your body is only going to use what it can and piss out the rest. If you take two guys and one has more receptors than the other and both are given 100mg of Test and five days later are given a blood test, the guy with more receptors should have a higher TT count. Maybe someone can shed more light on the subject.
To all you hataz saying that Felicity is wrong, don't forget that Felicity is actually Dr.Felicity. Dr's are never wrong. JEEEEEZZZZ.
And in all seriousness, goddamn did this thread blow up. Insane how quick this all turned into some crazy shit lol. I feel bad for the OP... He posted so happy and then BOOM.
SD, I like how you handled everything bro, much respect. And Jersey Devil, I doubt anyone thinks you have ulterior motives in all this since you're affiliated with another source lol. Solid posts bros. CEO, you crack me the fuck up. Let me know if you go forward with that class action lawsuit, I'll definitely get in that with you bro -- I'll help cover the lawyer lol. BIG MONEY PHARMA LAWSUIT! TEACH THOSE FUCKS TO FUCK US!
Its always nice to see solid data in a thread and not just random opinions
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And in all seriousness, goddamn did this thread blow up. Insane how quick this all turned into some crazy shit lol. I feel bad for the OP... He posted so happy and then BOOM.
SD, I like how you handled everything bro, much respect. And Jersey Devil, I doubt anyone thinks you have ulterior motives in all this since you're affiliated with another source lol. Solid posts bros. CEO, you crack me the fuck up. Let me know if you go forward with that class action lawsuit, I'll definitely get in that with you bro -- I'll help cover the lawyer lol. BIG MONEY PHARMA LAWSUIT! TEACH THOSE FUCKS TO FUCK US!
Its always nice to see solid data in a thread and not just random opinions
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