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Approved Log Echos Bulk log

maybe lawyer dose of growth hormone see if that helps
 
no need to run quality gh more than 2iu's unless you compete
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@Echos I was following your log for a while, and still subbed to it.

1) 350 grams of protein what kind of food you eating? seems something lacking

2) have you checked your iron levels? been a few guys with low iron last few weeks

3) you should try to drop to 1 IU if you have issues with sides like carpel tunnel, takes time with hgh

4) you will deload? how many more weeks on this cycle.

video looks great, you're lifting on point but on the TOP squeeze the back more for a few secs
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1)For protein, just chicken primarily. The eggs and turkey sausage in the AM. The yogurt adds a bit. I do a whey shake in the afternoon but that’s about it.
2) i have labs in about 2-3wks so I’ll know more then
3) I’ve gone 3d without. I took a diuretic to see if that helps with it. Last night was better but still there. And I dropped another 2lbs over night.
4) the goal is to continue until May. I’m sure I need a few deloads somewhere in there. I heard one guy suggest every 4 weeks. My problem is if I don’t schedule that in then I feel like I’m being a “skinny little bitch” to use a CBum quote. I know a more mature person would listen to their body and make changes…..

thanks for pointing out the squeeze. I was thinking about a good concentric and eccentric contraction there and totally left off a top squeeze.
 
if you are dealing with injuries then be more creative otherwise keep pushing
 
be careful taking diuretics they can do more harm than good
 
Echos said:
1)For protein, just chicken primarily. The eggs and turkey sausage in the AM. The yogurt adds a bit. I do a whey shake in the afternoon but that’s about it.
2) i have labs in about 2-3wks so I’ll know more then
3) I’ve gone 3d without. I took a diuretic to see if that helps with it. Last night was better but still there. And I dropped another 2lbs over night.
4) the goal is to continue until May. I’m sure I need a few deloads somewhere in there. I heard one guy suggest every 4 weeks. My problem is if I don’t schedule that in then I feel like I’m being a “skinny little bitch” to use a CBum quote. I know a more mature person would listen to their body and make changes…..

thanks for pointing out the squeeze. I was thinking about a good concentric and eccentric contraction there and totally left off a top squeeze.
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@Echos 1) Id like to see actual diet if you can share it, important for us. 2) waiting on your labs please share
3) diuretic helps but you're better off with n2guard thats going to cut your water and support organs and liver
4) lets see more like a push with CBum you can get there and even look like him, push to get shredded
 
Echos said:
Week 4 update:

Hope everyone is having a good weekend. So, here’s what’s going on with my bulk.
1) last 2wks my weight has stagnated. I jumped from 225 to 235 in first few weeks but last 2 weeks I’ve stayed the same. So this past week I used my carbs by about 300 cal per day. So my new total cal/day is about 3500. Getting about 350g protein per day and 400g of carbs with about 67g fat. Unfortunately my weight has been about the same. Ranging from 231 to 236. So next week I’m gonna increase carbs by another 50g per day or so. I dropped the high carb day as but still doing on very low carb day on Sunday which is my active rest day.

2) Feeling a bit fatigued and sore but still recovering well enough for my next workout. To help with this I dropped RDLs and back squat. I just found they are so systemically tasking that it hindered by recovery. I may have mentioned that in the last update. I added in another set of hack squats on that day and Jackson squats. Look up Kai Green Jackson squat and you can see what they are. I do them at the very end of my workout. It looks like creepy/erotic so be careful if you do them around others. you’ll get the side eye for sure! LOL.

3) My carpel tunnel is acting up on me a bit making it hard to sleep at night. So I stopped the GH a few days ago to give myself a break. may try doing the 5-2 split that some have advocated just to give me some time to clear out any fluid retention. I really didn’t notice any improvement when I dropped from 3 IUs back down to 2 IU. Only did 3 for like 4-5 days. Anyway, I need to find a way to manage that better. I really want to keep at least 2IUs in on this cycle but I need sleep more.

4) I finally reached my peek off-season PED dose. If you recall I wanted to taper up over 4 weeks. So I’m at 600 Test, 400 NPP, 400 Primo (2-3IUs of HGH if I can stand it). For the most part been feeling good. may need to take a deload week soon but I want to keep pressing as long as I have the gas to do it. maybe I should just back off before I get to that point but I really do love training and training hard. So there’s that.

I tried to upload a video of doing some rows. maybe it’ll work. Also, people asked for pics of my meals. So there is oatmeal, blueberries and yogurt as prework out meal. Then turkey sausage and eggs along with a bagel for post workout. The other meals are chicken and rice and various fruit. Nothing exciting.
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food looks great
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@Echos 1) Id like to see actual diet if you can share it, important for us. 2) waiting on your labs please share
3) diuretic helps but you're better off with n2guard thats going to cut your water and support organs and liver
4) lets see more like a push with CBum you can get there and even look like him, push to get shredded
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Week 5 update (early)

Okay. Here is my daily diet with what I weigh out and calories. Hope that is what you’re looking for. My diet rarely deviates from this. Maybe one day I’ll have a handful of nuts, or a few chip etc. But rarely and only limited. To be honest, this feels like a LOT of food to me so there really isn’t any desire to go off plan.

Im moving up again on the scale so I’ll keep this until I stall. The amount of rice is quite a lot so next, I’ll try adding in an extra banana and apple etc.

I’m sleeping better this week so I’m feeling better too. Gym progress this week is down but I tried lowering the weight and working more on each contraction. I think the first few weeks I was feeling so good I was chasing numbers a bit and losing that mind/muscle connection some. That might also help my joints feel a bit better too.

one other thing. So the end of last week I noticed that the outside of my right knee was bothering me after hack squat. In fact, I stopped mid set because I started to feel it during the reps. I’ve always loved hack and it’s never bothered me, even while doing full range of motion. Tried playing with my feet position and toe point, but it all hurt still. Only thing that has changed is the weight. Anyway, I’m gonna back off that movement for a week or so and come back to it and lower the weight a bit and see how it feels in 1-2wks.
Now, that I’m thinking about it…I did have to substitute in smith squats and after that was when it started bothering me. (I do these ass to grass) Wonder if I didn’t get my feet position right for my hips etc. Anyway, that may be it.
 

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Echos said:
Week 5 update (early)

Okay. Here is my daily diet with what I weigh out and calories. Hope that is what you’re looking for. My diet rarely deviates from this. Maybe one day I’ll have a handful of nuts, or a few chip etc. But rarely and only limited. To be honest, this feels like a LOT of food to me so there really isn’t any desire to go off plan.

Im moving up again on the scale so I’ll keep this until I stall. The amount of rice is quite a lot so next, I’ll try adding in an extra banana and apple etc.

I’m sleeping better this week so I’m feeling better too. Gym progress this week is down but I tried lowering the weight and working more on each contraction. I think the first few weeks I was feeling so good I was chasing numbers a bit and losing that mind/muscle connection some. That might also help my joints feel a bit better too.

one other thing. So the end of last week I noticed that the outside of my right knee was bothering me after hack squat. In fact, I stopped mid set because I started to feel it during the reps. I’ve always loved hack and it’s never bothered me, even while doing full range of motion. Tried playing with my feet position and toe point, but it all hurt still. Only thing that has changed is the weight. Anyway, I’m gonna back off that movement for a week or so and come back to it and lower the weight a bit and see how it feels in 1-2wks.
Now, that I’m thinking about it…I did have to substitute in smith squats and after that was when it started bothering me. (I do these ass to grass) Wonder if I didn’t get my feet position right for my hips etc. Anyway, that may be it.
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@Echos your protein is high I like that. Lets get more protein there more fats is needed, omega 3 fats. I did notice high rice so you need to add more fiber like psyllium husk.
What supplements you using bro? updates?
 
also share how you're prepping your meals that's important
 
nice job man we got you
Forget the Smith squats
 
haven't seen too much ground turkey being posted
 
nice job man sorry about the knee issue
 
Echos said:
Week 5 update (early)

Okay. Here is my daily diet with what I weigh out and calories. Hope that is what you’re looking for. My diet rarely deviates from this. Maybe one day I’ll have a handful of nuts, or a few chip etc. But rarely and only limited. To be honest, this feels like a LOT of food to me so there really isn’t any desire to go off plan.

Im moving up again on the scale so I’ll keep this until I stall. The amount of rice is quite a lot so next, I’ll try adding in an extra banana and apple etc.

I’m sleeping better this week so I’m feeling better too. Gym progress this week is down but I tried lowering the weight and working more on each contraction. I think the first few weeks I was feeling so good I was chasing numbers a bit and losing that mind/muscle connection some. That might also help my joints feel a bit better too.

one other thing. So the end of last week I noticed that the outside of my right knee was bothering me after hack squat. In fact, I stopped mid set because I started to feel it during the reps. I’ve always loved hack and it’s never bothered me, even while doing full range of motion. Tried playing with my feet position and toe point, but it all hurt still. Only thing that has changed is the weight. Anyway, I’m gonna back off that movement for a week or so and come back to it and lower the weight a bit and see how it feels in 1-2wks.
Now, that I’m thinking about it…I did have to substitute in smith squats and after that was when it started bothering me. (I do these ass to grass) Wonder if I didn’t get my feet position right for my hips etc. Anyway, that may be it.
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nice layout of the diet bro
 
End of week 6

So, the ground turkey. I just cook it in a pan and throw some pork seasoning on it because it’s supposed to be my “sausage” with my eggs. Really simple and easy.

So gym and lifts have been steady. I mentioned I was having some knee pain in my right knee so I’ve held off on doing hack squats or any variation. I’ve instead concentrated on my hams which is a weak body part for me. I’ve made some steady progress in that area so hopefully that will translate to increase in size…I know this will take several years of constant work to really bring it up but I’m game for that. Knee is feeling better, but I’m gonna hold off on Hacks for a few more weeks I think.

Next, I moved my HGH to the PM instead of the AM. It makes me really sleepy at work and that on top of fatigue from AM gym sessions…anyway. Still been having some issues with carpel tunnel. As I mentioned before, I think I’ve had an issue with the before ever starting on HGH. Any constant pressure on the back of my elbows brings it on. I had several nights that I had good sleep but the last 2-3 have sucked.

Lastly, I mentioned that my weight was dropping and the suggestion was to raise my calories across the board. Well, I did this and now, 2wks later, I’m just over 240. My total calories is just under 3800. I’ll tell you, I hear folks taking in 5K+ calories. I don’t see how in the hell they can do that. I’m so full all the time. Eating is become a chore. I might be able to push up to 4K for a few weeks but I don’t know how long I can handle that. Also, 240 was my goal weight and I planned on taking 12wks to get there. So I’m already there at 6wks. My starting weight was 230, so I know 10lbs is not that impressive, I just didn’t think I’d be able to do it. So I’m gonna go a few more weeks and just see if I can hit 250. Either way, in 3wks, since I’ve hit my goal…I’m gonna transition to a cut and see low lean I can get.
Also, I realize in the past when I tried to bulk it went okay but this time has been so much better. I realize I was just scared to push the calories up, never going past 3000. I’ve done a much better job at keeping the calories clean and pushing up the carbs. I’m excited to see how this will translate over to a cut since I have so much more wiggle room with calories going into it.

Anyway, thanks for the encouragement and suggestions.
 
Echos said:
End of week 6

So, the ground turkey. I just cook it in a pan and throw some pork seasoning on it because it’s supposed to be my “sausage” with my eggs. Really simple and easy.

So gym and lifts have been steady. I mentioned I was having some knee pain in my right knee so I’ve held off on doing hack squats or any variation. I’ve instead concentrated on my hams which is a weak body part for me. I’ve made some steady progress in that area so hopefully that will translate to increase in size…I know this will take several years of constant work to really bring it up but I’m game for that. Knee is feeling better, but I’m gonna hold off on Hacks for a few more weeks I think.

Next, I moved my HGH to the PM instead of the AM. It makes me really sleepy at work and that on top of fatigue from AM gym sessions…anyway. Still been having some issues with carpel tunnel. As I mentioned before, I think I’ve had an issue with the before ever starting on HGH. Any constant pressure on the back of my elbows brings it on. I had several nights that I had good sleep but the last 2-3 have sucked.

Lastly, I mentioned that my weight was dropping and the suggestion was to raise my calories across the board. Well, I did this and now, 2wks later, I’m just over 240. My total calories is just under 3800. I’ll tell you, I hear folks taking in 5K+ calories. I don’t see how in the hell they can do that. I’m so full all the time. Eating is become a chore. I might be able to push up to 4K for a few weeks but I don’t know how long I can handle that. Also, 240 was my goal weight and I planned on taking 12wks to get there. So I’m already there at 6wks. My starting weight was 230, so I know 10lbs is not that impressive, I just didn’t think I’d be able to do it. So I’m gonna go a few more weeks and just see if I can hit 250. Either way, in 3wks, since I’ve hit my goal…I’m gonna transition to a cut and see low lean I can get.
Also, I realize in the past when I tried to bulk it went okay but this time has been so much better. I realize I was just scared to push the calories up, never going past 3000. I’ve done a much better job at keeping the calories clean and pushing up the carbs. I’m excited to see how this will translate over to a cut since I have so much more wiggle room with calories going into it.

Anyway, thanks for the encouragement and suggestions.
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@Echos yea so many guys have hgh issues with HGH and AM sleeping
have you considered lowering hgh to 1 IU?

5000 calories? easy bro you can get it in there if you add almond butter with protein shakes and protein bars
id like to see your actual foods so we can get you recomped better
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
@Echos yea so many guys have hgh issues with HGH and AM sleeping
have you considered lowering hgh to 1 IU?

5000 calories? easy bro you can get it in there if you add almond butter with protein shakes and protein bars
id like to see your actual foods so we can get you recomped better
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I have all my food laid on on my week 5 update. It’s at the bottom of page 6 here. Date of post was Feb 29. Let me know what you think
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
@Echos i saw your week 5 before
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/echos-bulk-log.96983/post-1484788

but if you want to bulk you'll need to make diet changes, you mean you NEVER change what you eat?
eating more protein is a must, your pre workout and post workout you need at least 60 grams of protein each time
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No, I have been changing the volume as I go but not the content really. I have been increasing the carbs and protein as I needed. I was afraid to get too high on the carbs and total calories for fear of getting fat. But I’ve gotten up to 4K calories, up from base of 2500 over the course of this bulk.
 
End of week 7 (but really end of week 10)

I had a week early on where I got sick and restarted the clock afterwards. Anyway, I think this is the last week of my bulk. I had one really goal and that was to get to 240 and I did that. Secondly, I have some summer plans in July that I want to look my best for and starting a cut now would be ideal to give me the time to do it.

This has been the best bulk cycle I’ve ever done. I feel like I put on some good mass and body fat stayed about the same. i was able to get up to 4K calories so that puts me in a good place with plenty of room for a cut. The big difference for me has been really tracking my calories and pushing up the carbs. I don’t think in the past I’ve ever gotten above 3200 calories.
I feel like I also have a lot of room left on the PED side. I feel I’m pretty conservative right now with the dosing. I did my blood work this past week and should have all the results in a few days.

I’ll start a cut cycle post with my plans soon. thank you to everyone who commented and help out.
 
Echos said:
End of week 7 (but really end of week 10)

I had a week early on where I got sick and restarted the clock afterwards. Anyway, I think this is the last week of my bulk. I had one really goal and that was to get to 240 and I did that. Secondly, I have some summer plans in July that I want to look my best for and starting a cut now would be ideal to give me the time to do it.

This has been the best bulk cycle I’ve ever done. I feel like I put on some good mass and body fat stayed about the same. i was able to get up to 4K calories so that puts me in a good place with plenty of room for a cut. The big difference for me has been really tracking my calories and pushing up the carbs. I don’t think in the past I’ve ever gotten above 3200 calories.
I feel like I also have a lot of room left on the PED side. I feel I’m pretty conservative right now with the dosing. I did my blood work this past week and should have all the results in a few days.

I’ll start a cut cycle post with my plans soon. thank you to everyone who commented and help out.
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@Echos thats good to hear. How bout some pics for the update? hows the food?

and the cut cycle lets plan it
 
I think cutting is always something that people should do
 
definitely time to cut back down I agree
 
most of us need more cutting anyway can always get benefits from dropping body fat
 
much respect I want to see you cut down that would be a healthy option
 
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