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uSeRnAmEiStAkEn

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Since this is my first post on here, I will start with back story and stats.

27 years old
240lbs
6'4"
Lifting history: 7 years lifting, tore a muscle in my back. After being cleared to lift again I have been back in the gym for 6mo, enough time to really make sure things are safe and ready.

Before tearing the muscle I was 215lbs, after went up to 260. (Recovery sucks when food is good...) I am back down to 240 but have been stuck there for over a month.

Goal from this cycle: mainly see what I can push myself into and see how far I can go. Since that is so broad, my main focus is building strength while leaning out some more.

Cycle plan: bi weekly injection
Test E 400mg/week
Tren E 200mg/week
Boldenone 250mg/week

PCT: weeks 1+2
Nolva 40mg/Ed
Clomid 100mg/Ed
Masterolone 50mg/Ed
Tadalafil 15mg/Ed

Weeks 3+4(longer if needed)
Nolva 20mg/Ed
Clomid 50mg/Ed
Masterolone 25mg/Ed
Tadalafil 7.5mg/Ed

Caber and arimidex on hand
Letrozol if any gyno

As I am new to this, please share with my your thoughts and advice.
 
It was suggested to me for the following reasons:
It reduces SHBG
Blocks estrogen
Helps the potency of the other hormones

If it is not a good idea, I recognize there are a lot of ideas and opinions. Could you explain why you question using it?
 
Proviron is a steroid and steroids are not used in PCT.

STEROID: suppressive
PCT: recovery

i dont like the idea of 3 compounds for a first cycle especially Tren for first cycle is a terrible idea a for a lot of reason. How to learn to drive with a ferrari.
 
1st cycle with tren I don't recommend it use , use single compound test is the best for 1st cycle

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uSeRnAmEiStAkEn said:
Cycle plan: bi weekly injection
Test E 400mg/week
Tren E 200mg/week
Boldenone 250mg/week
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Firstly, if this is your very first cycle, as the title indicates, why not just run Test by itself to see how your body responds, but also because you don't need multiple compounds to see results if you are using gear for the very first time. You have virgin receptors right now. Plus, (a big plus) if you start right out of the gate with this much AAS, where do you go for a second cycle? 4 compounds? Double the dose? Sounds like a slippery slope for a beginner.

Secondly, Tren E will stay in your system much, much longer than Tren Ace. If you respond negatively to Tren, wouldn't you want it to clear from your system as quickly as possible? Ace = days. Enanthate = a couple of weeks.

Thirdly, by having no experience to draw on, how will you ultimately determine which of the 3 compounds is actually responsible for doing what, positively or negatively?

Just my .02, but try a basic Test E cycle at 300-400mg/wk, split in two doses. If you're training and nutrition are in check and your gear is legit, you will see impressive results, no doubt.
 
I'll respond to each of your points. Please correct me anywhere I'm wrong or being misled.

My thoughts on starting out so large of a cycle are the Virgin receptors. I'll get the best results from the first cycle so go big and get a ton out of it? I'm not planning on planning on running many cycles. 3 at most then getting on trt. So while it could be a slippery slope, I am limiting myself to avoid that.

Tren e from my research is much easier on the kidneys since it is a slower ester. That was my thought on picking it.

As for knowing which of the 3, that is a very good point I had not considered before. Would you test that by running one cycle of just test and then cycling test and then, then test and bold?

Thank you for the feedback! I want to make sure I do this safely and correctly!
 
Right, starting with a baseline of test and then adding 1 new compound to each of the next two cycles sounds much safer. Also, you will have comparative data to know the difference adding that next compound made.

I'm definitely not a Tren expert, as I have not graduated to this yet, but I've only heard one thing from experienced users and athletes who caution on the side of safety..... Tren is not for beginners.

I'd personally rather run 5 "safer/newbie" cycles vs. 3 advanced user cycles, straight out of the gate.
 
Honestly man I don't like this go hard go home mentality at all. Besides if you are not planning on doing this longer than that I think you already have a wrong mindset.
Tren on first cycle? No.
100mg of clomid? No.
 
This is why I put it up here. I want to get the best results and that requires learning a lot. I have been doing my own research for a while, but it is always good to hear the advice and see the results of others with more experience. (Never be the strongest guy in the gym) I wanted to come in with an idea rather than coming in blind saying do all the research for me. So I hope it comes across that way, not me trying to defend myself or be belligerent.

Looking at all the advice given, I will start with 3 planned cycles to see how my body reacts and adapts to different substances. Then go from there with more clearly defined goals/dosing/substances. I don't think I explained myself very well at first though.. I am not planning on hitting and quitting. I want instead to get on TRT after running a series of cycles and really focus on over all health for the long run. (Natural test levels deminish after 25-27, I would like to start trt or at least get tested at 30) I know people can go crazy with cycles running more and more each time, and I do not want to ever do more harm than good, I also do not want to over use. (I have no need/desire for Ronnie Coleman levels)

If that is the wrong mindset, again being new to this please help me understand why so I can get good results and be very safe.

My main desire is to do this in a safe way which I know done correctly can be done.

I saw this article: https://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

And will base my PCT off of it.
 
if you were originally a healthy and ripped 215 and ballooned up cause your diet went to shit, then simply change up your diet back to where it was before and eat clean. you will go back to 215. you really don't need steroids right now, sarm's would be your better option
 
Never ripped. I am tall and lanky. This is one thing that bugs me. After 7 years of lifting I have gotten significantly stronger, but added no size and definition. I am using a modified version of the vertical diet (not adding as much so I don't constantly add more calories)

I would like to start adding some size and a developed look to my muscles. 14" arms don't look good when you have an 80" wingspan... (I have stupidly long arms)
 
Mobster, some of us have been blessed with high levels of test naturally. Others of us have low levels. I happen to fall into the category that has low levels of test. Always have. I have tried for a long time to deal with the depression and anxiety and other issues that come with low test through exercise and good eating alone, but it is not enough anymore. I am jealous of anyone that has high levels of test, but I do not. So the aim of trt is to combat low test and the sides that come with that without turning into the suicidal zombie that depression meds create.
 
Tren is for very advanced users only. You are a beginner. In my opinion you dont have the proper base or foundation to even run a basic test cycle yet. Sarms are probably the best option for you
 
I have done a SARM cycle before. How do you get past the taste? I cannot deal with tasting that for hours after... I ran RAD-140, MK-677, and YK-11.
 
I am really glad to see someone come on here, post a question, stick around and go back and forth. Honestly buddy, that is extremely important and shows you want to learn. Lots of guys post something and then disappear when they don't hear what they want.
 
Well, I figure my wife would kill me if I died. :P

On a serious note, I see people that mess themselves up and die Young, and I also see lifters who are in their 90's. A lot to do with genetics obviously. But also a lot to do with being smart. You cannot learn anything by being the smartest man in the room... I would rather learn first than mess up and learn that way!

So thanks to everyone providing advice and being so willing to help me learn how to do this right!
 
uSeRnAmEiStAkEn said:
Well, I figure my wife would kill me if I died. [emoji14]

On a serious note, I see people that mess themselves up and die Young, and I also see lifters who are in their 90's. A lot to do with genetics obviously. But also a lot to do with being smart. You cannot learn anything by being the smartest man in the room... I would rather learn first than mess up and learn that way!

So thanks to everyone providing advice and being so willing to help me learn how to do this right!
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Glad to help bro
 
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