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[Norwhey99]

Hey evo! I just started my first cycle i would really appreciate some help from more experienced users

Started this cycle ~8 weeks ago (Jan 21). I transitioned from cruise (125 mg) up to 300 mg, and just recently bumped to 400 mg (3 days ago, March 10).

Goals:
- Find my personal “max effective” testosterone dose
- Learn to properly manage estrogen
- Push mass gain as far as possible while staying within healthy bloodwork markers

I do have Aromasin on hand, but I’d prefer to manage estrogen through compound selection (e.g., DHT derivatives or EQ) rather than relying on an AI. That said, I’m aware that sticking to test-only is likely the smartest approach—especially since a previous cycle (500 test / 350 NPP) went sideways. This time I want to do things properly.

Plan is to stay on as long as bloodwork supports it and build a solid base. I’m playing things somewhat by ear, but I’ve considered potentially finishing with something like Anavar or Anadrol, and possibly introducing a second compound later in the cycle.

Would really appreciate input from more experienced users.

Current Stats:
- Age: 25
- Height: 187 cm
- Start weight: 88.5 kg
- Current weight: 91.1 kg

Diet:
- Started at ~4300 kcal, currently at ~4700 kcal
- Increasing gradually (200 kcal at a time)
- 5–6 meals per day

Macros (approx):
- Protein: 300 g
- Carbs: 500–700 g
- Fat: 50–100 g

Training:
- Split: PPL / Rest / PPL
- Sleep: 7–8 hours nightly

Cycle:
- Testosterone Enanthate – 400 mg/week

Other Compounds:
- Cialis 5 mg (pre-workout)
- Noopept 10 mg (pre-workout)
- Accutane 40 mg

Supplements:
- Citrus bergamot – 1200 mg
- Vitamin C – 500–1000 mg
- NAC – 1200 mg
- Alpha-GPC – 600 mg (PWO)
- Magnesium – 600 mg
- Potassium – 1000–2000 mg (depending on intake)
- Zinc – 50 mg
- Copper – 2 mg
- Omega-3 – 2600 mg
- Vitamin D3/K2 – 75/100
- Taurine – 3–5 g
- Glycine – 5 g
- Melatonin – 1–2 mg
- Creatine – 10 g
- Probiotics
- Psyllium husk

Side Effects So Far:
- Noticeable water retention
- Slight increase in blood pressure (127/80)
- Considering Telmisartan if it rises further
- Facial flushing/redness

If anyone has input on:
- Estrogen management without overaliance on AIs
- When/if to introduce a second compound
- Maximizing growth while keeping health markers in check

I’m all ears.

 

[Norwhey99]

Cant i edit my post?

 

[toddthelineman]

Hey evo! I just started my first cycle i would really appreciate some help from more experienced users

Started this cycle ~8 weeks ago (Jan 21). I transitioned from cruise (125 mg) up to 300 mg, and just recently bumped to 400 mg (3 days ago, March 10).

Goals:
- Find my personal “max effective” testosterone dose
- Learn to properly manage estrogen
- Push mass gain as far as possible while staying within healthy bloodwork markers

I do have Aromasin on hand, but I’d prefer to manage estrogen through compound selection (e.g., DHT derivatives or EQ) rather than relying on an AI. That said, I’m aware that sticking to test-only is likely the smartest approach—especially since a previous cycle (500 test / 350 NPP) went sideways. This time I want to do things properly.

Plan is to stay on as long as bloodwork supports it and build a solid base. I’m playing things somewhat by ear, but I’ve considered potentially finishing with something like Anavar or Anadrol, and possibly introducing a second compound later in the cycle.

Would really appreciate input from more experienced users.

Current Stats:
- Age: 25
- Height: 187 cm
- Start weight: 88.5 kg
- Current weight: 91.1 kg

Diet:
- Started at ~4300 kcal, currently at ~4700 kcal
- Increasing gradually (200 kcal at a time)
- 5–6 meals per day

Macros (approx):
- Protein: 300 g
- Carbs: 500–700 g
- Fat: 50–100 g

Training:
- Split: PPL / Rest / PPL
- Sleep: 7–8 hours nightly

Cycle:
- Testosterone Enanthate – 400 mg/week

Other Compounds:
- Cialis 5 mg (pre-workout)
- Noopept 10 mg (pre-workout)
- Accutane 40 mg

Supplements:
- Citrus bergamot – 1200 mg
- Vitamin C – 500–1000 mg
- NAC – 1200 mg
- Alpha-GPC – 600 mg (PWO)
- Magnesium – 600 mg
- Potassium – 1000–2000 mg (depending on intake)
- Zinc – 50 mg
- Copper – 2 mg
- Omega-3 – 2600 mg
- Vitamin D3/K2 – 75/100
- Taurine – 3–5 g
- Glycine – 5 g
- Melatonin – 1–2 mg
- Creatine – 10 g
- Probiotics
- Psyllium husk

Side Effects So Far:
- Noticeable water retention
- Slight increase in blood pressure (127/80)
- Considering Telmisartan if it rises further
- Facial flushing/redness

If anyone has input on:
- Estrogen management without overaliance on AIs
- When/if to introduce a second compound
- Maximizing growth while keeping health markers in check

I’m all ears.

Get bp meds now, imo. It’s likely to go up more and although you’ll probably be fine, why fuss about it later? Have it ready. I wish I had.

Can you post screenshots with your personal info redacted of your latest bloodwork?

My experience was that aromasin was purely helpful and with proper guidance will be faster and easier to use than other compounds. Don’t be scared of it.

Macros look great. A lot of people fail to eat that much or simply don’t need to as they still get results. But what are you actually eating?

You’re getting swelling like edema? And already needing accutane? Let’s see that bloodwork. If you’re like me you simply have high e2 and just need to use a careful dose of aromasin and you will be problem free.
Blood pressure up despite the Cialis? Yeah, get that Telmisartan. It’s pretty gentle.

How do you like the noopept? It made me cranky, but it did work. I really really like cerebrolysin and cortexin.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey evo! I just started my first cycle i would really appreciate some help from more experienced users

Started this cycle ~8 weeks ago (Jan 21). I transitioned from cruise (125 mg) up to 300 mg, and just recently bumped to 400 mg (3 days ago, March 10).

Goals:
- Find my personal “max effective” testosterone dose
- Learn to properly manage estrogen
- Push mass gain as far as possible while staying within healthy bloodwork markers

I do have Aromasin on hand, but I’d prefer to manage estrogen through compound selection (e.g., DHT derivatives or EQ) rather than relying on an AI. That said, I’m aware that sticking to test-only is likely the smartest approach—especially since a previous cycle (500 test / 350 NPP) went sideways. This time I want to do things properly.

Plan is to stay on as long as bloodwork supports it and build a solid base. I’m playing things somewhat by ear, but I’ve considered potentially finishing with something like Anavar or Anadrol, and possibly introducing a second compound later in the cycle.

Would really appreciate input from more experienced users.

Current Stats:
- Age: 25
- Height: 187 cm
- Start weight: 88.5 kg
- Current weight: 91.1 kg

Diet:
- Started at ~4300 kcal, currently at ~4700 kcal
- Increasing gradually (200 kcal at a time)
- 5–6 meals per day

Macros (approx):
- Protein: 300 g
- Carbs: 500–700 g
- Fat: 50–100 g

Training:
- Split: PPL / Rest / PPL
- Sleep: 7–8 hours nightly

Cycle:
- Testosterone Enanthate – 400 mg/week

Other Compounds:
- Cialis 5 mg (pre-workout)
- Noopept 10 mg (pre-workout)
- Accutane 40 mg

Supplements:
- Citrus bergamot – 1200 mg
- Vitamin C – 500–1000 mg
- NAC – 1200 mg
- Alpha-GPC – 600 mg (PWO)
- Magnesium – 600 mg
- Potassium – 1000–2000 mg (depending on intake)
- Zinc – 50 mg
- Copper – 2 mg
- Omega-3 – 2600 mg
- Vitamin D3/K2 – 75/100
- Taurine – 3–5 g
- Glycine – 5 g
- Melatonin – 1–2 mg
- Creatine – 10 g
- Probiotics
- Psyllium husk

Side Effects So Far:
- Noticeable water retention
- Slight increase in blood pressure (127/80)
- Considering Telmisartan if it rises further
- Facial flushing/redness

If anyone has input on:
- Estrogen management without overaliance on AIs
- When/if to introduce a second compound
- Maximizing growth while keeping health markers in check

I’m all ears.

good share on the 1st cycle @Norwhey99 please add some pics of you face blurred so we can understand your base and help your log fully.

 

[Norwhey99]

Get bp meds now, imo. It’s likely to go up more and although you’ll probably be fine, why fuss about it later? Have it ready. I wish I had.

Can you post screenshots with your personal info redacted of your latest bloodwork?

My experience was that aromasin was purely helpful and with proper guidance will be faster and easier to use than other compounds. Don’t be scared of it.

Macros look great. A lot of people fail to eat that much or simply don’t need to as they still get results. But what are you actually eating?

You’re getting swelling like edema? And already needing accutane? Let’s see that bloodwork. If you’re like me you simply have high e2 and just need to use a careful dose of aromasin and you will be problem free.
Blood pressure up despite the Cialis? Yeah, get that Telmisartan. It’s pretty gentle.

How do you like the noopept? It made me cranky, but it did work. I really really like cerebrolysin and cortexin.

I will be taking bloodwork tomorrow as the bloodwork i have before the cycle my e2 was very low but my prolactin was very elevated from the last test/npp cycle even tho i did 0,25mg of caber 1x a week for 5 weeks it was still elevated months after the cycle i used p5p om the blast to. I try to eat as much meat/rice/potato veggies fruit/juice as
I fit in my schedule i use weetabix with whey and banana almodn butter on the go, sugary ceareal/corn flakes pre or post workout with whey, oatmeal/cream of rice with berries and 85% dark chocolate as fat, greek yogurt, dates , and some protein bars on the go i do ice cream 1 time a week as a cheat but my meal preap is usually beef chicken rice spinach bell pepper mushroom onion avocado and sauerkraut i drink kefir to. My plan is to add 200mg EQ for the hunger and AI effects after i see the bloodwork results i just hope i wont crash my estrogen.. I didnt really notice so much from noopept except more clear headed focus. I use accutane because i exploded from the last npp cycle as I mentioned it was really bad i tried everything before i went for accutane

 

[Norwhey99]

good share on the 1st cycle @Norwhey99 please add some pics of you face blurred so we can understand your base and help your log fully.

I will do that just need to take some pics

 

[toddthelineman]

I will be taking bloodwork tomorrow as the bloodwork i have before the cycle my e2 was very low but my prolactin was very elevated from the last test/npp cycle even tho i did 0,25mg of caber 1x a week for 5 weeks it was still elevated months after the cycle i used p5p om the blast to. I try to eat as much meat/rice/potato veggies fruit/juice as
I fit in my schedule i use weetabix with whey and banana almodn butter on the go, sugary ceareal/corn flakes pre or post workout with whey, oatmeal/cream of rice with berries and 85% dark chocolate as fat, greek yogurt, dates , and some protein bars on the go i do ice cream 1 time a week as a cheat but my meal preap is usually beef chicken rice spinach bell pepper mushroom onion avocado and sauerkraut i drink kefir to. My plan is to add 200mg EQ for the hunger and AI effects after i see the bloodwork results i just hope i wont crash my estrogen.. I didnt really notice so much from noopept except more clear headed focus. I use accutane because i exploded from the last npp cycle as I mentioned it was really bad i tried everything before i went for accutane

Good diet! My first major bacne eruption was from npp too. It was crazy. I didn’t even know. I was on a weekend hiking trip with a lady and I got out of bed and she was like “what happened to your back?!” And I looked in the mirror with horror. 1000 pimples

 

[Norwhey99]

Good diet! My first major bacne eruption was from npp too. It was crazy. I didn’t even know. I was on a weekend hiking trip with a lady and I got out of bed and she was like “what happened to your back?!” And I looked in the mirror with horror. 1000 pimples

I feel you.. is deca known for acne? I think it happened because I didnt controll my estrogen right and the prolactin spiket

 

[toddthelineman]

I feel you.. is deca known for acne? I think it happened because I didnt controll my estrogen right and the prolactin spiket

I think you’re right. I have never had high prolactin though. I have used deca a few times, but it was after the accutane and after I learned how to control my e2, so it hasn’t been a problem.

 

[Norwhey99]

This is me 6 months ago now i am more bloated and abs are not as visible but i am veiny its probably elevated e2,i have also gotten a bit bigger. remember that i have only trained for 2 years before that i had a really bad drug addiction to heroin pills speed etc and was just skin and bones 60kg now i am 91,8

 

[Demon_throne]

Hey evo! I just started my first cycle i would really appreciate some help from more experienced users

e2 was very low but my prolactin was very elevated from the last test/npp cycle

So it's not your first cycle...

I’d prefer to manage estrogen through compound selection (e.g., DHT derivatives or EQ) rather than relying on an AI.

If you use any secondary compound that goes against this statement you made..

Goals:
- Find my personal “max effective” testosterone dose
- Learn to properly manage estrogen

To find said point with how you currently look here is a how to...

Increase test hold it for 6 weeks get bloods, no sides?? Increase. Rinse and repeat until you get sides.

Once you hit the point where you get sides that's when you pull bloods again.
Then cycle back to your cruise or pct.

Gather as much info as you can.

After that point you know how you armomatstise for your composition..

Your following cycle is where you run something secondary like eq or primo to control the e2

 

[Coolguy]

I feel you.. is deca known for acne? I think it happened because I didnt controll my estrogen right and the prolactin spiket

Hey brother Deca can be.
Deca doesn't agree with me personally so i don't use it.
If you are going to try it I'd have some prolacin protection as well.
Npp is far superior imo.

Test to start is king.
Next step would be to add in your dht id personally stay away from eq if possible..
Primo and mast are much better they are however a little scarce at the moment.

Good start to the log.

 

[Norwhey99]

Hey brother Deca can be.
Deca doesn't agree with me personally so i don't use it.
If you are going to try it I'd have some prolacin protection as well.
Npp is far superior imo.

Test to start is king.
Next step would be to add in your dht id personally stay away from eq if possible..
Primo and mast are much better they are however a little scarce at the moment.

Good start to the log.

Yeah i know test only is the «right» thing to do but i really want to get the most out of this building phase… how much would you increase the test each time? 100mg? And do i stop increasing if i come to a point where i need to use an AI? I meant my first proper cycle where i do things right btw thanks for the tips

 

[Norwhey99]

Hey brother Deca can be.
Deca doesn't agree with me personally so i don't use it.
If you are going to try it I'd have some prolacin protection as well.
Npp is far superior imo.

Test to start is king.
Next step would be to add in your dht id personally stay away from eq if possible..
Primo and mast are much better they are however a little scarce at the moment.

Good start to the log.

Thanks brother! Did you get good results from your first test only cycle? My test/npp cycle i went up 7 kg in 13 weeks but i jumped to fast into it…

 

[toddthelineman]

Yeah i know test only is the «right» thing to do but i really want to get the most out of this building phase… how much would you increase the test each time? 100mg? And do i stop increasing if i come to a point where i need to use an AI?

You’ve got plenty of room to grow on test only. Adding other things will only complicate the cycle and no matter what you can only grow so fast.

You don’t have to stop because you need an ai. Not at all. Lots of guys need an ai at low doses. I can use an ai at 250mg, despite being naturally lean and showing no particular thing that would make you think I am a high aromatizer. Well I am. And if my e2 gets near 100 I’ll have mental effects and acne.

 

[Demon_throne]

Yeah i know test only is the «right» thing to do but i really want to get the most out of this building phase… how much would you increase the test each time? 100mg? And do i stop increasing if i come to a point where i need to use an AI? I meant my first proper cycle where i do things right btw thanks for the tips

Depends on your current dosage and injection schedule.

You'll get more sides with bigger less frequent dosages

Eg
500mg week split Monday/fridsy
Or
500mg week split, Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday

Much different results

 

[Allupfromhere]

Yeah i know test only is the «right» thing to do but i really want to get the most out of this building phase… how much would you increase the test each time? 100mg? And do i stop increasing if i come to a point where i need to use an AI? I meant my first proper cycle where i do things right btw thanks for the tips

You wan to get the most out of this phase then nail the foundations brother.. more gear isnt it.

Structure nutrition based against whats needed for recovery for this stimulus you creating. Pair that with quality sleep every night and you will get more out of 300mg of just test then trying to keep forcing anabolic load. Physiques arent built in a single cycle so no point abusing Ped's and your health to try and do so.

Dont be afraid of using an ai if you tip the scales on e2 from test dose.

Do not by any means try to use eq to manage e2 until your very aware of how your body aromatises at multiple test doses. E2 conversion isnt linear so set ratios for eq to test dont work at every dose. This is a completely unnecessary potential complication at this stage.

If your not on trt between cycles forget about using eq full stop brother. The time frame is simply too demandingm

 

[LevButlerov]

This is me 6 months ago now i am more bloated and abs are not as visible but i am veiny its probably elevated e2,i have also gotten a bit bigger. remember that i have only trained for 2 years before that i had a really bad drug addiction to heroin pills speed etc and was just skin and bones 60kg now i am 91,8

can you please share a recent picture @Norwhey99 EVO family is a no judgement zone, we all had addictions of some sort, but we need to see what you are working with now please

 

[Coolguy]

Thanks brother! Did you get good results from your first test only cycle? My test/npp cycle i went up 7 kg in 13 weeks but i jumped to fast into it…

Never tracked my weight for my test only cycles haha
When I came off for 2 years and then jump on proper I grew well.

 

[stevesmi]

Cant i edit my post?

If there's something specific you need to have edited just let me know and I'll go in there and change it if you made a mistake

 

[ceo]

Hey evo! I just started my first cycle i would really appreciate some help from more experienced users

Started this cycle ~8 weeks ago (Jan 21). I transitioned from cruise (125 mg) up to 300 mg, and just recently bumped to 400 mg (3 days ago, March 10).

Goals:
- Find my personal “max effective” testosterone dose
- Learn to properly manage estrogen
- Push mass gain as far as possible while staying within healthy bloodwork markers

I do have Aromasin on hand, but I’d prefer to manage estrogen through compound selection (e.g., DHT derivatives or EQ) rather than relying on an AI. That said, I’m aware that sticking to test-only is likely the smartest approach—especially since a previous cycle (500 test / 350 NPP) went sideways. This time I want to do things properly.

Plan is to stay on as long as bloodwork supports it and build a solid base. I’m playing things somewhat by ear, but I’ve considered potentially finishing with something like Anavar or Anadrol, and possibly introducing a second compound later in the cycle.

Would really appreciate input from more experienced users.

Current Stats:
- Age: 25
- Height: 187 cm
- Start weight: 88.5 kg
- Current weight: 91.1 kg

Diet:
- Started at ~4300 kcal, currently at ~4700 kcal
- Increasing gradually (200 kcal at a time)
- 5–6 meals per day

Macros (approx):
- Protein: 300 g
- Carbs: 500–700 g
- Fat: 50–100 g

Training:
- Split: PPL / Rest / PPL
- Sleep: 7–8 hours nightly

Cycle:
- Testosterone Enanthate – 400 mg/week

Other Compounds:
- Cialis 5 mg (pre-workout)
- Noopept 10 mg (pre-workout)
- Accutane 40 mg

Supplements:
- Citrus bergamot – 1200 mg
- Vitamin C – 500–1000 mg
- NAC – 1200 mg
- Alpha-GPC – 600 mg (PWO)
- Magnesium – 600 mg
- Potassium – 1000–2000 mg (depending on intake)
- Zinc – 50 mg
- Copper – 2 mg
- Omega-3 – 2600 mg
- Vitamin D3/K2 – 75/100
- Taurine – 3–5 g
- Glycine – 5 g
- Melatonin – 1–2 mg
- Creatine – 10 g
- Probiotics
- Psyllium husk

Side Effects So Far:
- Noticeable water retention
- Slight increase in blood pressure (127/80)
- Considering Telmisartan if it rises further
- Facial flushing/redness

If anyone has input on:
- Estrogen management without overaliance on AIs
- When/if to introduce a second compound
- Maximizing growth while keeping health markers in check

I’m all ears.

bros might want to try some proviron. that works well for estrogen. masteron or winstrol also are good option @Norwhey99

 

[Mobster]

Started this cycle ~8 weeks ago (Jan 21). I transitioned from cruise (125 mg) up to 300 mg, and just recently bumped to 400 mg

Just this at age 25 is as bit of an issue for me

 

[Norwhey99]

Depends on your current dosage and injection schedule.

You'll get more sides with bigger less frequent dosages

Eg
500mg week split Monday/fridsy
Or
500mg week split, Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday

Much different results

I inject everyday i startet to think if it was maybe a bit overkill is EOD good enough? I do it to get the least fluctuations so i have my best chance against more acne again..

 

[Norwhey99]

Started this cycle ~8 weeks ago (Jan 21). I transitioned from cruise (125 mg) up to 300 mg, and just recently bumped to 400 mg

Just this at age 25 is as bit of an issue for me

Ive seen younger guys taking insulin and tren.. i am on trt anyways so I thought why not bump the dose a bit and get a boost, i love this lifestyle and i wouldnt want to do anything else nothing have made my life this meaningful not only because of the cycle of course but it boosts what i already put so much effort in

 

[Norwhey99]

You’ve got plenty of room to grow on test only. Adding other things will only complicate the cycle and no matter what you can only grow so fast.

You don’t have to stop because you need an ai. Not at all. Lots of guys need an ai at low doses. I can use an ai at 250mg, despite being naturally lean and showing no particular thing that would make you think I am a high aromatizer. Well I am. And if my e2 gets near 100 I’ll have mental effects and acne.

What i meant is do i stop increasing when i get e2 issues and need to use an ai or keep increasing after that and then stop when i get other side effects than estrogen? I dont want to go to high 500-600 max this cycle maybe i will even just stay on 400 if i keep progressing, i want to stay on as long as possible so i agree more variables will only conplicate things + i am not big enough to throw in everything in i feel like

 

[Mobster]

Ive seen younger guys taking insulin and tren.. i am on trt anyways so I thought why not bump the dose a bit and get a boost, i love this lifestyle and i wouldnt want to do anything else nothing have made my life this meaningful not only because of the cycle of course but it boosts what i already put so much effort in

Remind me, in case I've forgotten (it's me age lol), why you're on TRT at age 25. I wasn't overly fussed on the Slin or Tren but the crusise etc

 

[toddthelineman]

What i meant is do i stop increasing when i get e2 issues and need to use an ai or keep increasing after that and then stop when i get other side effects than estrogen? I dont want to go to high 500-600 max this cycle maybe i will even just stay on 400 if i keep progressing, i want to stay on as long as possible so i agree more variables will only conplicate things + i am not big enough to throw in everything in i feel like

There’s a lot of ways to do it, but what I would do is titrate up until you need an ai, and if you’re still making good progress in the gym, stay there until you hit a plateau. Then increase. If your bloodwork gets bad, drop to cruise dose and get healthy so you can come back stronger. Log everything, then we’ll know what can work for you going forward

 

[Demon_throne]

I

I inject everyday i startet to think if it was maybe a bit overkill is EOD good enough? I do it to get the least fluctuations so i have my best chance against more acne again..

do my test 5 days a week so my increases at a min are 125mg

 

[Norwhey99]

Remind me, in case I've forgotten (it's me age lol), why you're on TRT at age 25. I wasn't overly fussed on the Slin or Tren but the crusise etc

When i got sober i was on methadone for a while (i have tapered down now) but my test was like 1,2 nmol if I remember correctly so the doctor put me on testogel but i made him switch me to nebido. I have accepted that i will be on for the rest of my life i think blast and cruising is healthier than make the body go through pct everytime but thats just me speculating

 

[toddthelineman]

When i got sober i was on methadone for a while (i have tapered down now) but my test was like 1,2 nmol if I remember correctly so the doctor put me on testogel but i made him switch me to nebido. I have accepted that i will be on for the rest of my life i think blast and cruising is healthier than make the body go through pct everytime but thats just me speculating

You’ll feel better, that’s for sure. But if your cruise isn’t low enough you’re going to have thick blood and probably other issues that stack up over years and years, just be mindful of that. And remember that every time you reach a new level of size and physique, that same size and physique will be more accessible to you next time you blast so there’s literally nothing to fear from taking a healthy cruise. Make it a part of your plan. Embrace it.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hey evo! I just started my first cycle i would really appreciate some help from more experienced users

Started this cycle ~8 weeks ago (Jan 21). I transitioned from cruise (125 mg) up to 300 mg, and just recently bumped to 400 mg (3 days ago, March 10).

Goals:
- Find my personal “max effective” testosterone dose
- Learn to properly manage estrogen
- Push mass gain as far as possible while staying within healthy bloodwork markers

I do have Aromasin on hand, but I’d prefer to manage estrogen through compound selection (e.g., DHT derivatives or EQ) rather than relying on an AI. That said, I’m aware that sticking to test-only is likely the smartest approach—especially since a previous cycle (500 test / 350 NPP) went sideways. This time I want to do things properly.

Plan is to stay on as long as bloodwork supports it and build a solid base. I’m playing things somewhat by ear, but I’ve considered potentially finishing with something like Anavar or Anadrol, and possibly introducing a second compound later in the cycle.

Would really appreciate input from more experienced users.

Current Stats:
- Age: 25
- Height: 187 cm
- Start weight: 88.5 kg
- Current weight: 91.1 kg

Diet:
- Started at ~4300 kcal, currently at ~4700 kcal
- Increasing gradually (200 kcal at a time)
- 5–6 meals per day

Macros (approx):
- Protein: 300 g
- Carbs: 500–700 g
- Fat: 50–100 g

Training:
- Split: PPL / Rest / PPL
- Sleep: 7–8 hours nightly

Cycle:
- Testosterone Enanthate – 400 mg/week

Other Compounds:
- Cialis 5 mg (pre-workout)
- Noopept 10 mg (pre-workout)
- Accutane 40 mg

Supplements:
- Citrus bergamot – 1200 mg
- Vitamin C – 500–1000 mg
- NAC – 1200 mg
- Alpha-GPC – 600 mg (PWO)
- Magnesium – 600 mg
- Potassium – 1000–2000 mg (depending on intake)
- Zinc – 50 mg
- Copper – 2 mg
- Omega-3 – 2600 mg
- Vitamin D3/K2 – 75/100
- Taurine – 3–5 g
- Glycine – 5 g
- Melatonin – 1–2 mg
- Creatine – 10 g
- Probiotics
- Psyllium husk

Side Effects So Far:
- Noticeable water retention
- Slight increase in blood pressure (127/80)
- Considering Telmisartan if it rises further
- Facial flushing/redness

If anyone has input on:
- Estrogen management without overaliance on AIs
- When/if to introduce a second compound
- Maximizing growth while keeping health markers in check

I’m all ears.

1 of the things I can do for you as a recommendation is considering your age @Norwhey99 Make sure you pace yourself properly you don't wanna end up having issues in your thirties and forties with your heart health and your kidney health

 

[Ulter]

I will be taking bloodwork tomorrow as the bloodwork i have before the cycle my e2 was very low but my prolactin was very elevated from the last test/npp cycle even tho i did 0,25mg of caber 1x a week for 5 weeks it was still elevated months after the cycle i used p5p om the blast to. I try to eat as much meat/rice/potato veggies fruit/juice as
I fit in my schedule i use weetabix with whey and banana almodn butter on the go, sugary ceareal/corn flakes pre or post workout with whey, oatmeal/cream of rice with berries and 85% dark chocolate as fat, greek yogurt, dates , and some protein bars on the go i do ice cream 1 time a week as a cheat but my meal preap is usually beef chicken rice spinach bell pepper mushroom onion avocado and sauerkraut i drink kefir to. My plan is to add 200mg EQ for the hunger and AI effects after i see the bloodwork results i just hope i wont crash my estrogen.. I didnt really notice so much from noopept except more clear headed focus. I use accutane because i exploded from the last npp cycle as I mentioned it was really bad i tried everything before i went for accutane

@Norwhey99 I like your diet it's simple and it's effective also you can check the other logs to see how guys are eating. Equipoise at 200 milligrams is okay but usually guys like to increase the dose a lot more

 

[2Thick]

When i got sober i was on methadone for a while (i have tapered down now) but my test was like 1,2 nmol if I remember correctly so the doctor put me on testogel but i made him switch me to nebido. I have accepted that i will be on for the rest of my life i think blast and cruising is healthier than make the body go through pct everytime but thats just me speculating

Yeah definitely hard drugs and alcohol will definitely rank your testosterone levels but it is what it is. You're on TRT and you're going to be on TRT the rest of your life. It's not the worst thing in the world. Most people are on multiple drugs daily. @Norwhey99

 

[Norwhey99]

1 of the things I can do for you as a recommendation is considering your age @Norwhey99 Make sure you pace yourself properly you don't wanna end up having issues in your thirties and forties with your heart health and your kidney health

Thanks i needed to hear that but i feel like i should push it when im still young on the other side.. but as i said i will do max 500-600mg this cycle and do my best to do this as safe as possible..

 

[toddthelineman]

Thanks i needed to hear that but i feel like i should push it when im still young on the other side.. but as i said i will do max 500-600mg this cycle and do my best to do this as safe as possible..

Don’t start that high. Work your way up to it. It’s all for nothing if you have to stop again. Diet and training will do the most of the work, and you just need enough to support that. Don’t let drug seeking behavior ruin PEDs for you.

 

[Norwhey99]

Don’t start that high. Work your way up to it. It’s all for nothing if you have to stop again. Diet and training will do the most of the work, and you just need enough to support that. Don’t let drug seeking behavior ruin PEDs for you.

I want to get the most out of the least! But my coach thinks 300-400 test is nothing at he would just start at 500-600 but i dont listen to that. I meant that i will work my way up to that dose i want to get the most out of 400 first

 

[toddthelineman]

I want to get the most out of the least! But my coach thinks 300-400 test is nothing at he would just start at 500-600 but i dont listen to that. I meant that i will work my way up to that dose i want to get the most out of 400 first

Well… I missed the part about you having a coach. To be clear, I’m not actually telling you what to do, but I do think I’m right. It’s entirely possible that the right coach could make that work for you, and if you trust him to be your coach then you should probably trust his coaching. But if you don’t trust him, well, I don’t know if that’s the right guy.

 

[Norwhey99]

Well… I missed the part about you having a coach. To be clear, I’m not actually telling you what to do, but I do think I’m right. It’s entirely possible that the right coach could make that work for you, and if you trust him to be your coach then you should probably trust his coaching. But if you don’t trust him, well, I don’t know if that’s the right guy.

He is good but i dont agree with everything he says.. can i change from test E to Cypionate mid cycle? My source is out of E. And i live in norway so no sources from here ship here :/

 

[toddthelineman]

He is good but i dont agree with everything he says.. can i change from test E to Cypionate mid cycle? My source is out of E. And i live in norway so no sources from here ship here :/

Absolutely you can, but look at the banners at the top of the page here. Most of the sources ship world wide. Highly recommend Purity Source Labs. I don’t get anything for saying: I don’t use sources that aren’t approved here on EVO. Most of us don’t. For good reasons

 

[Norwhey99]

Absolutely you can, but look at the banners at the top of the page here. Most of the sources ship world wide. Highly recommend Purity Source Labs. I don’t get anything for saying: I don’t use sources that aren’t approved here on EVO. Most of us don’t. For good reasons

Yeah i know… i would happily buy here but almost no one offer reship to norway its one of the world strictest borders it sucks..

 

[toddthelineman]

Yeah i know… i would happily buy here but almost no one offer reship to norway its one of the world strictest borders it sucks..

Oh that does suck. We’ll be careful

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah i know… i would happily buy here but almost no one offer reship to norway its one of the world strictest borders it sucks..

you just have to live with it sometimes it gets seized consider your gear cost up @Norwhey99
did you try US-pharmacies? https://us-pharmacies.net/ @US-pharmacies

 

[ROIDDERS]

Thanks i needed to hear that but i feel like i should push it when im still young on the other side.. but as i said i will do max 500-600mg this cycle and do my best to do this as safe as possible..

Never gonna go wrong with that mentality.

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

I want to get the most out of the least! But my coach thinks 300-400 test is nothing at he would just start at 500-600 but i dont listen to that. I meant that i will work my way up to that dose i want to get the most out of 400 first

@Norwhey99 That's a good strategy to proceed with......

 

[ballin2504]

The vets got you covered.

 

[RoySimpson]

Hey evo! I just started my first cycle i would really appreciate some help from more experienced users

Started this cycle ~8 weeks ago (Jan 21). I transitioned from cruise (125 mg) up to 300 mg, and just recently bumped to 400 mg (3 days ago, March 10).

Goals:
- Find my personal “max effective” testosterone dose
- Learn to properly manage estrogen
- Push mass gain as far as possible while staying within healthy bloodwork markers

I do have Aromasin on hand, but I’d prefer to manage estrogen through compound selection (e.g., DHT derivatives or EQ) rather than relying on an AI. That said, I’m aware that sticking to test-only is likely the smartest approach—especially since a previous cycle (500 test / 350 NPP) went sideways. This time I want to do things properly.

Plan is to stay on as long as bloodwork supports it and build a solid base. I’m playing things somewhat by ear, but I’ve considered potentially finishing with something like Anavar or Anadrol, and possibly introducing a second compound later in the cycle.

Would really appreciate input from more experienced users.

Current Stats:
- Age: 25
- Height: 187 cm
- Start weight: 88.5 kg
- Current weight: 91.1 kg

Diet:
- Started at ~4300 kcal, currently at ~4700 kcal
- Increasing gradually (200 kcal at a time)
- 5–6 meals per day

Macros (approx):
- Protein: 300 g
- Carbs: 500–700 g
- Fat: 50–100 g

Training:
- Split: PPL / Rest / PPL
- Sleep: 7–8 hours nightly

Cycle:
- Testosterone Enanthate – 400 mg/week

Other Compounds:
- Cialis 5 mg (pre-workout)
- Noopept 10 mg (pre-workout)
- Accutane 40 mg

Supplements:
- Citrus bergamot – 1200 mg
- Vitamin C – 500–1000 mg
- NAC – 1200 mg
- Alpha-GPC – 600 mg (PWO)
- Magnesium – 600 mg
- Potassium – 1000–2000 mg (depending on intake)
- Zinc – 50 mg
- Copper – 2 mg
- Omega-3 – 2600 mg
- Vitamin D3/K2 – 75/100
- Taurine – 3–5 g
- Glycine – 5 g
- Melatonin – 1–2 mg
- Creatine – 10 g
- Probiotics
- Psyllium husk

Side Effects So Far:
- Noticeable water retention
- Slight increase in blood pressure (127/80)
- Considering Telmisartan if it rises further
- Facial flushing/redness

If anyone has input on:
- Estrogen management without overaliance on AIs
- When/if to introduce a second compound
- Maximizing growth while keeping health markers in check

I’m all ears.

@Norwhey99 Keep the log coming bro! I will be following along!

 

[Norwhey99]

Do you guys have some tips when using telmisartan? Should i wait til the BP gets to out if control and start on 20mg? Or just start it now? My bp is 128/80. I also heard its dangerous to have to much potassium on telmisartan is it only from supplements or do i need to limit potatoes and potassium rich foods also? Thanks for the help guys i really appreciate it

 

[LevButlerov]

Do you guys have some tips when using telmisartan? Should i wait til the BP gets to out if control and start on 20mg? Or just start it now? My bp is 128/80. I also heard its dangerous to have to much potassium on telmisartan is it only from supplements or do i need to limit potatoes and potassium rich foods also? Thanks for the help guys i really appreciate it

no tips at all, when are you going to get your log up? @Norwhey99 without a log we cant tell you much

 

[Norwhey99]

no tips at all, when are you going to get your log up? @Norwhey99 without a log we cant tell you much

What do you mean this is my log

 

[toddthelineman]

Do you guys have some tips when using telmisartan? Should i wait til the BP gets to out if control and start on 20mg? Or just start it now? My bp is 128/80. I also heard its dangerous to have to much potassium on telmisartan is it only from supplements or do i need to limit potatoes and potassium rich foods also? Thanks for the help guys i really appreciate it

When I had elevated potassium I was eating a lot of potatoes and bananas and electrolyte drinks and I had been taking Telmisartan. This caused me to have an irregular heart beat and an episode that at the time I thought was just food poisoning or something but later my daughter (who was at the time doing the cardiac part of nursing school) said it sounded just like a heart attack!

Be careful. If your kidneys don’t clear the potassium you’ll have a bad time. This isn’t something that’s happening to a lot of people. AFAIK I’m the only logger that had this unfortunate combination of events. I wouldn’t be eating piles of potatoes daily on Telmisartan

 

[LevButlerov]

What do you mean this is my log

now its a full log upgraded @Norwhey99

 

[Norwhey99]

Thanks bro !

 

[Norwhey99]

When I had elevated potassium I was eating a lot of potatoes and bananas and electrolyte drinks and I had been taking Telmisartan. This caused me to have an irregular heart beat and an episode that at the time I thought was just food poisoning or something but later my daughter (who was at the time doing the cardiac part of nursing school) said it sounded just like a heart attack!

Be careful. If your kidneys don’t clear the potassium you’ll have a bad time. This isn’t something that’s happening to a lot of people. AFAIK I’m the only logger that had this unfortunate combination of events. I wouldn’t be eating piles of potatoes daily on Telmisartan

Sounds sketchy! I think i will wait with the telmisartan. I am waiting on my bloodwork now my e2 is probably elevated i cant watch shorts without sitting with tears in my eyes when i see dog/animal rescue or something so maybe lowering e2 will help

 

[toddthelineman]

Sounds sketchy! I think i will wait with the telmisartan. I am waiting on my bloodwork now my e2 is probably elevated i cant watch shorts without sitting with tears in my eyes when i see dog/animal rescue or something so maybe lowering e2 will help

Keeping e2 in check will help with many things you wouldn’t expect. But Telmisartan is normally pretty safe and blood pressure is very important so weigh your options. These complexities are why regular bloodwork is important. Things can happen quickly if you’re not on top of it. Usually everything is just fine. No need to worry and stress, just be diligent and your odds are good

 

[Norwhey99]

Now its my 10 week on test 4 week on 400mg i am feeling fuller and denser looking forward to every workout the appetite isn’t always there but thats irrelevant gotta do what you got to do… i am still waiting on bloodwork and i know my e2 will be elevated i am really considering using 200 mg masteron instead of an AI to manage the estrogen but i see you guys think that 400 test is more than enough to grow on..

 

[toddthelineman]

and i know my e2 will be elevated i am really considering using 200 mg masteron instead of an AI to manage the estrogen

That didn’t work for me. It caused me the worst acne, cysts really. This is not a good gamble at all. For the sake of simplicity and a much better chance of success I highly recommend you use aromasin to control your e2 until you are more experienced.

What sort of things make you think your e2 is elevated? More body acne? Sensitive nipples? Masteron is not a reliable way to control e2. Some say it works, many say it does not. It definitely didn’t for me.

Eager to see your bloodwork.

400 absolutely should be plenty to grow on for quite a while. Of course everyone is different, but you say you’re growing and I’ll bet you are!

 

[toddthelineman]

Are you checking your blood pressure? Can you add the results to your log?

 

[Norwhey99]

Are you checking your blood pressure? Can you add the results to your log?

yes its between 115/70 and 130/80. I appreciate you keeping track with my log brother!

 

[toddthelineman]

yes its between 115/70 and 130/80. I appreciate you keeping track with my log brother!

Let’s get you posting more

 

[Norwhey99]

Today was rest day i did 20 min stairmaster with running intervals and 15 min sauna and got my nutrients in. The only thing i have to optimize a bit is my sleep hygiene not using phone before bed and go from 7 hours to 8-9. do you guys think 20-30 min once a week of HIIT cardio is enough on a bulk? I get 10-15k sometimes 20k steps everyday so i try to use all my recover abilities on my workouts.

Macros: 4650 kcal P304 C626 F92

 

[toddthelineman]

Today was rest day i did 20 min stairmaster with running intervals and 15 min sauna and got my nutrients in. The only thing i have to optimize a bit is my sleep hygiene not using phone before bed and go from 7 hours to 8-9. do you guys think 20-30 min once a week of HIIT cardio is enough on a bulk? I get 10-15k sometimes 20k steps everyday so i try to use all my recover abilities on my workouts.

Macros: 4650 kcal P304 C626 F92

get 10-15k sometimes 20k steps everyday so i try to use all my recover abilities on my workouts

That’s pretty good! You’re walking all day basically

do you guys think 20-30 min once a week of HIIT cardio is enough on a bulk?

Rather see you do it more often, even if you have to do closer to 20 than 30. It seems like a full week between sessions would be hard to improve progressively. If you’re not adapting in a positive direction, your body will adapt negatively

 

[Norwhey99]

That’s pretty good! You’re walking all day basically

Rather see you do it more often, even if you have to do closer to 20 than 30. It seems like a full week between sessions would be hard to improve progressively. If you’re not adapting in a positive direction, your body will adapt negatively

Yeah I thought so too its a bit on the lower end but i only have 1 rest day a week so i dont really know where i can squeeze it in without it transferring fatigue to my workouts i go pretty hard HR between 150-168.

 

[LevButlerov]

Now its my 10 week on test 4 week on 400mg i am feeling fuller and denser looking forward to every workout the appetite isn’t always there but thats irrelevant gotta do what you got to do… i am still waiting on bloodwork and i know my e2 will be elevated i am really considering using 200 mg masteron instead of an AI to manage the estrogen but i see you guys think that 400 test is more than enough to grow on..

waiting on bloods how about your training diet updates? @Norwhey99

 

[toddthelineman]

Yeah I thought so too its a bit on the lower end but i only have 1 rest day a week so i dont really know where i can squeeze it in without it transferring fatigue to my workouts i go pretty hard HR between 150-168.

You can only do what you can do then. All those steps are great

 

[Norwhey99]

Sunday: i had a push day it was a good session i do 8-10 hard failure sets each muscle group a week considering upping to 12. ill add some pics of my split, blood pressure was very good actually i was surprised 115/68 2 weeks ago it was 130/80..

Here is what i ate:

Breakfast
100g oats
90g banana
50 raspberries
50g strawberry
10g 86% dark chocolate
60g whey chocolate
10g honey

Snack 2 (a cheat snack at the store walk)
Protein shake 21g protein
1 cinnamon bun

Meal 3 (pwo)
Jasmin rice 130g
Beef strips 170g
Spinach 50g
Bell pepper 50g
250ml blood orange juice (for polyphenols)

Intra shake:
40g maltodextrin
Electrolytes
Creatine



Meal 4 post workout
Coco pops 120g
Whey 30g
Protein milk 300g

Meal 5
Jasmin rice 130g
Chicken mince 200g
Peas carrots cauliflower mix 100g
Low fat cheese 20g
Protein pudding 1

Meal 6
Greek yoghurt 260g
Quaker granola 30g
Medjool dates 30g
Kefir 50g
Frozen blueberries 50g
Honey 10g

Macros: kcal4705 P295 C655 F89

Can admin change my log name to : Operation mass monster

 

[LevButlerov]

Sunday: i had a push day it was a good session i do 8-10 hard failure sets each muscle group a week considering upping to 12. ill add some pics of my split, blood pressure was very good actually i was surprised 115/68 2 weeks ago it was 130/80..

Here is what i ate:

Breakfast
100g oats
90g banana
50 raspberries
50g strawberry
10g 86% dark chocolate
60g whey chocolate
10g honey

Snack 2 (a cheat snack at the store walk)
Protein shake 21g protein
1 cinnamon bun

Meal 3 (pwo)
Jasmin rice 130g
Beef strips 170g
Spinach 50g
Bell pepper 50g
250ml blood orange juice (for polyphenols)

Intra shake:
40g maltodextrin
Electrolytes
Creatine



Meal 4 post workout
Coco pops 120g
Whey 30g
Protein milk 300g

Meal 5
Jasmin rice 130g
Chicken mince 200g
Peas carrots cauliflower mix 100g
Low fat cheese 20g
Protein pudding 1

Meal 6
Greek yoghurt 260g
Quaker granola 30g
Medjool dates 30g
Kefir 50g
Frozen blueberries 50g
Honey 10g

Macros: kcal4705 P295 C655 F89

Can admin change my log name to : Operation mass monster

Good split here any big weights? @Norwhey99
and we cant change log names after 72 hours we dont have the option

on the food push up the carbs you are on point

 

[Norwhey99]

Good split here any big weights? @Norwhey99
and we cant change log names after 72 hours we dont have the option

on the food push up the carbs you are on point

Wouldn’t say super big but i max the dip tricep gym leco machine i am on 10 reps for 100kg know i have only trained seriously for 2 years and the first year was cutting

 

[Mobster]

Include the resistance

 

[LevButlerov]

Wouldn’t say super big but i max the dip tricep gym leco machine i am on 10 reps for 100kg know i have only trained seriously for 2 years and the first year was cutting

10 for 100 is big

 

[stevesmi]

Sunday: i had a push day it was a good session i do 8-10 hard failure sets each muscle group a week considering upping to 12. ill add some pics of my split, blood pressure was very good actually i was surprised 115/68 2 weeks ago it was 130/80..

Here is what i ate:

Breakfast
100g oats
90g banana
50 raspberries
50g strawberry
10g 86% dark chocolate
60g whey chocolate
10g honey

Snack 2 (a cheat snack at the store walk)
Protein shake 21g protein
1 cinnamon bun

Meal 3 (pwo)
Jasmin rice 130g
Beef strips 170g
Spinach 50g
Bell pepper 50g
250ml blood orange juice (for polyphenols)

Intra shake:
40g maltodextrin
Electrolytes
Creatine



Meal 4 post workout
Coco pops 120g
Whey 30g
Protein milk 300g

Meal 5
Jasmin rice 130g
Chicken mince 200g
Peas carrots cauliflower mix 100g
Low fat cheese 20g
Protein pudding 1

Meal 6
Greek yoghurt 260g
Quaker granola 30g
Medjool dates 30g
Kefir 50g
Frozen blueberries 50g
Honey 10g

Macros: kcal4705 P295 C655 F89

Can admin change my log name to : Operation mass monster

@Norwhey99 one of the things that can help you here IMO is dumping the dex. you simply do NOT want that during your workout. it is counter productive for many reasons

 

[ceo]

Sunday: i had a push day it was a good session i do 8-10 hard failure sets each muscle group a week considering upping to 12. ill add some pics of my split, blood pressure was very good actually i was surprised 115/68 2 weeks ago it was 130/80..

Here is what i ate:

Breakfast
100g oats
90g banana
50 raspberries
50g strawberry
10g 86% dark chocolate
60g whey chocolate
10g honey

Snack 2 (a cheat snack at the store walk)
Protein shake 21g protein
1 cinnamon bun

Meal 3 (pwo)
Jasmin rice 130g
Beef strips 170g
Spinach 50g
Bell pepper 50g
250ml blood orange juice (for polyphenols)

Intra shake:
40g maltodextrin
Electrolytes
Creatine



Meal 4 post workout
Coco pops 120g
Whey 30g
Protein milk 300g

Meal 5
Jasmin rice 130g
Chicken mince 200g
Peas carrots cauliflower mix 100g
Low fat cheese 20g
Protein pudding 1

Meal 6
Greek yoghurt 260g
Quaker granola 30g
Medjool dates 30g
Kefir 50g
Frozen blueberries 50g
Honey 10g

Macros: kcal4705 P295 C655 F89

Can admin change my log name to : Operation mass monster

Bros, hell yeah, you're not gonna go wrong with this. I like the chicken, mince, rice, and peas and carrots. That sounds good. @Norwhey99

 

[Norwhey99]

@Norwhey99 one of the things that can help you here IMO is dumping the dex. you simply do NOT want that during your workout. it is counter productive for many reasons

You mean the intra workout? Why? It has worked good for me and when i have some extra to spend in my budget i use beetroot/grenadeapple juice instead i also put 10-15g clear whey instead of eaa

 

[stevesmi]

You mean the intra workout? Why? It has worked good for me and when i have some extra to spend in my budget i use beetroot/grenadeapple juice instead i also put 10-15g clear whey instead of eaa

during your workout you don't want to 'feed your body'. you want the body to train itself to tap into its own energy via stored glycogen, you want to train it to go after that vs. giving it exogenous sugars.
also your body has enough energy its using to be bothered with having to process and digest something else.
you aren't running a marathon here where you need to take in sugar, and you aren't a pro using hgh, slin and tons of gear either.
you have to model your nutrition around what works for YOU, not what a pro bodybuilder is doing.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Sunday: i had a push day it was a good session i do 8-10 hard failure sets each muscle group a week considering upping to 12. ill add some pics of my split, blood pressure was very good actually i was surprised 115/68 2 weeks ago it was 130/80..

Here is what i ate:

Breakfast
100g oats
90g banana
50 raspberries
50g strawberry
10g 86% dark chocolate
60g whey chocolate
10g honey

Snack 2 (a cheat snack at the store walk)
Protein shake 21g protein
1 cinnamon bun

Meal 3 (pwo)
Jasmin rice 130g
Beef strips 170g
Spinach 50g
Bell pepper 50g
250ml blood orange juice (for polyphenols)

Intra shake:
40g maltodextrin
Electrolytes
Creatine



Meal 4 post workout
Coco pops 120g
Whey 30g
Protein milk 300g

Meal 5
Jasmin rice 130g
Chicken mince 200g
Peas carrots cauliflower mix 100g
Low fat cheese 20g
Protein pudding 1

Meal 6
Greek yoghurt 260g
Quaker granola 30g
Medjool dates 30g
Kefir 50g
Frozen blueberries 50g
Honey 10g

Macros: kcal4705 P295 C655 F89

Can admin change my log name to : Operation mass monster

Really nice job on the meal. I like that you're getting together some dates, granola, yogurt, and blueberries. That's a good little mix. @Norwhey99 nice carb option.

 

[Norwhey99]

Really nice job on the meal. I like that you're getting together some dates, granola, yogurt, and blueberries. That's a good little mix. @Norwhey99 nice carb option.

Thanks! I try to put effort in to my nutrition even tho i like it easy. So you guys mean that I should up my carbs even more? I am considering upping kcal to 5000 and carbs to 700-750 that would be a 300kcal upping is that to much?

 

[Norwhey99]

during your workout you don't want to 'feed your body'. you want the body to train itself to tap into its own energy via stored glycogen, you want to train it to go after that vs. giving it exogenous sugars.
also your body has enough energy its using to be bothered with having to process and digest something else.
you aren't running a marathon here where you need to take in sugar, and you aren't a pro using hgh, slin and tons of gear either.
you have to model your nutrition around what works for YOU, not what a pro bodybuilder is doing.

It has worked for me thats the point i notice when i drop the intra shake i crash mid session especially on leg day. I do candy pre workout somedays on leg days is that better since i am not digesting mid workout?

 

[stevesmi]

It has worked for me thats the point i notice when i drop the intra shake i crash mid session especially on leg day. I do candy pre workout somedays on leg days is that better since i am not digesting mid workout?

yeah man what is going on there is you are running on sugar.
no different then people who need caffeine to train
or who need viagra to have sex
you've trained your body to need sugar to exercise. It's going to take some effort to wean yourself off of that but you can definitely do it. For me I don't need shit before I train and I don't need shit during my exercise and I have great energy throughout.

Training pure and raw is the best way to do it and it's most beneficial for our health and our well-being. Our ancestors did not stop in the middle of the battle and run over to the side to take some sugar while they were battling their opponents. It's in our DNA to not need to be a junkie just to get in some exercise. Even when I was doing triathlons and half marathons, I did not need any sugar during that. Why do you need sugar for weight training when you're burning way fewer calories and it's way less trauma on the body? heck even drinking water during training can have negative effects as again you are making your body do another task. this is why when i used to do that we would sip and spit our water, we never swallowed into our stomachs. You don't want your digestive system to need to work while you're trying to get in a workout. It's only going to impede you. Now when I was on tren, I was so dehydrated on it that I would drink quite a bit during my workout. That's a different story, but generally you don't want to drink very much or have anything in your stomach while you're training. You want to train on an empty stomach, where your stomach isn't having to do work.

Just a suggestion though man. By all means do your own homework on this stuff and do what you feel is best but I'm merely giving a suggestion. again you aren't a pro bodybuilder who is on loads of insulin and hgh and gear where intra workout dex has any sort of benefit. that is why these coaches out there are clueless who put people on these types of protocols. just because it works for them or a pro doesn't mean it will work on the other 99.9% of us

 

[Ulter]

Sunday: i had a push day it was a good session i do 8-10 hard failure sets each muscle group a week considering upping to 12. ill add some pics of my split, blood pressure was very good actually i was surprised 115/68 2 weeks ago it was 130/80..

Here is what i ate:

Breakfast
100g oats
90g banana
50 raspberries
50g strawberry
10g 86% dark chocolate
60g whey chocolate
10g honey

Snack 2 (a cheat snack at the store walk)
Protein shake 21g protein
1 cinnamon bun

Meal 3 (pwo)
Jasmin rice 130g
Beef strips 170g
Spinach 50g
Bell pepper 50g
250ml blood orange juice (for polyphenols)

Intra shake:
40g maltodextrin
Electrolytes
Creatine



Meal 4 post workout
Coco pops 120g
Whey 30g
Protein milk 300g

Meal 5
Jasmin rice 130g
Chicken mince 200g
Peas carrots cauliflower mix 100g
Low fat cheese 20g
Protein pudding 1

Meal 6
Greek yoghurt 260g
Quaker granola 30g
Medjool dates 30g
Kefir 50g
Frozen blueberries 50g
Honey 10g

Macros: kcal4705 P295 C655 F89

Can admin change my log name to : Operation mass monster

@Norwhey99 not sure what coco pops are. i would replace that with something healthier. maybe some fruit or almonds

 

[2Thick]

Sunday: i had a push day it was a good session i do 8-10 hard failure sets each muscle group a week considering upping to 12. ill add some pics of my split, blood pressure was very good actually i was surprised 115/68 2 weeks ago it was 130/80..

Here is what i ate:

Breakfast
100g oats
90g banana
50 raspberries
50g strawberry
10g 86% dark chocolate
60g whey chocolate
10g honey

Snack 2 (a cheat snack at the store walk)
Protein shake 21g protein
1 cinnamon bun

Meal 3 (pwo)
Jasmin rice 130g
Beef strips 170g
Spinach 50g
Bell pepper 50g
250ml blood orange juice (for polyphenols)

Intra shake:
40g maltodextrin
Electrolytes
Creatine



Meal 4 post workout
Coco pops 120g
Whey 30g
Protein milk 300g

Meal 5
Jasmin rice 130g
Chicken mince 200g
Peas carrots cauliflower mix 100g
Low fat cheese 20g
Protein pudding 1

Meal 6
Greek yoghurt 260g
Quaker granola 30g
Medjool dates 30g
Kefir 50g
Frozen blueberries 50g
Honey 10g

Macros: kcal4705 P295 C655 F89

Can admin change my log name to : Operation mass monster

Not gonna go wrong with a nice vegetable mix like that. Cauliflower as well has a lot of good benefits, including cancer- killing compounds. And the carrots are really good for your eyesight. @Norwhey99

 

[Norwhey99]

@Norwhey99 not sure what coco pops are. i would replace that with something healthier. maybe some fruit or almonds

Its ceareal and 1 portion a day is okey i cannot eat all my kcal with only rice when i eat so much… that would be to much fruit in one portion for me but i throw in some bananas sometimes. i do quick carbs post/pre workout its not the worst thing when rest of my calories are micronutrient dense

 

[Norwhey99]

I would really appreciate some input on the volume i do every set 1rir or to failure (almost always to 0rir) its 8-10 straight sets each week pr muscles group, i upped the volume to 10-12 for example hamstring 10 but quads 12 and glutes was only 4 so i took it up to 6( 3 sets of hip thrust.

 

[LevButlerov]

I would really appreciate some input on the volume i do every set 1rir or to failure (almost always to 0rir) its 8-10 straight sets each week pr muscles group, i upped the volume to 10-12 for example hamstring 10 but quads 12 and glutes was only 4 so i took it up to 6( 3 sets of hip thrust.

you should be doing 15-20 reps and drop set into 30 reps lower weight @Norwhey99

 

[Noah Wixx]

Sunday: i had a push day it was a good session i do 8-10 hard failure sets each muscle group a week considering upping to 12. ill add some pics of my split, blood pressure was very good actually i was surprised 115/68 2 weeks ago it was 130/80..

Here is what i ate:

Breakfast
100g oats
90g banana
50 raspberries
50g strawberry
10g 86% dark chocolate
60g whey chocolate
10g honey

Snack 2 (a cheat snack at the store walk)
Protein shake 21g protein
1 cinnamon bun

Meal 3 (pwo)
Jasmin rice 130g
Beef strips 170g
Spinach 50g
Bell pepper 50g
250ml blood orange juice (for polyphenols)

Intra shake:
40g maltodextrin
Electrolytes
Creatine



Meal 4 post workout
Coco pops 120g
Whey 30g
Protein milk 300g

Meal 5
Jasmin rice 130g
Chicken mince 200g
Peas carrots cauliflower mix 100g
Low fat cheese 20g
Protein pudding 1

Meal 6
Greek yoghurt 260g
Quaker granola 30g
Medjool dates 30g
Kefir 50g
Frozen blueberries 50g
Honey 10g

Macros: kcal4705 P295 C655 F89

Can admin change my log name to : Operation mass monster

certainly looks look a good session.

 

[Norwhey99]

you should be doing 15-20 reps and drop set into 30 reps lower weight @Norwhey99

Thats not how i train to be honest i do 6-15 reps to failure and when i work my way up to lets say 12 reps with 80kg i up the weight to 82,5kg.. i am not a fan of intensity techniques either they feel good but i have read that failure is enough to maximize muscle growth without unnecessary fatigue. But hey everybody got different things that works for them thanks for the tip anyways bro

 

[LevButlerov]

Thats not how i train to be honest i do 6-15 reps to failure and when i work my way up to lets say 12 reps with 80kg i up the weight to 82,5kg.. i am not a fan of intensity techniques either they feel good but i have read that failure is enough to maximize muscle growth without unnecessary fatigue. But hey everybody got different things that works for them thanks for the tip anyways bro

you do what you can handle

 

[ROIDDERS]

Thanks! I try to put effort in to my nutrition even tho i like it easy. So you guys mean that I should up my carbs even more? I am considering upping kcal to 5000 and carbs to 700-750 that would be a 300kcal upping is that to much?

I'm not generally a person who believes in telling someone what they should and shouldn't do because everybody's very individualized on nutrition.

 

[Ulter]

Its ceareal and 1 portion a day is okey i cannot eat all my kcal with only rice when i eat so much… that would be to much fruit in one portion for me but i throw in some bananas sometimes. i do quick carbs post/pre workout its not the worst thing when rest of my calories are micronutrient dense

i stopped eating cereal at 5 years old so wasn't aware what that was. comfort food does have benefits if you look at it that way i guess

 

[Norwhey99]

i stopped eating cereal at 5 years old so wasn't aware what that was. comfort food does have benefits if you look at it that way i guess

Good for you ceareal is used by alot of bodybuilders in the offseason its a nice tool to get carbs down that and cream of rice it really makes no difference if its rice or flour.. I usually use Rice Krispies to that are rice based

 

[Norwhey99]

I'm not generally a person who believes in telling someone what they should and shouldn't do because everybody's very individualized on nutrition.

I respect that, but how big of increases do you usually do when bulking? I try to do 200-300kcal at a time to not gain to much fat

 

[Ulter]

Good for you ceareal is used by alot of bodybuilders in the offseason its a nice tool to get carbs down that and cream of rice it really makes no difference if its rice or flour.. I usually use Rice Krispies to that are rice based

yeah it depends on the cereal. some are full of sugar and some are decent.

 

[Norwhey99]

yeah it depends on the cereal. some are full of sugar and some are decent.

Yeah i only use the sugary ones pre/post workout and if i need a quick emergency meal with me to work i use special K/weetabix with lots of fiber

 

[ROIDDERS]

I respect that, but how big of increases do you usually do when bulking? I try to do 200-300kcal at a time to not gain to much fat

that's a good question man, and it also depends on your definition of bulking. When I dirty bulked years ago, I was eating like crazy. I would eat a big meal before the gym, a big meal after the gym, and five or six meals a day, but it was all quality food. As long as it's quality food, that is the key.

 

[ballin2504]

Sunday: i had a push day it was a good session i do 8-10 hard failure sets each muscle group a week considering upping to 12. ill add some pics of my split, blood pressure was very good actually i was surprised 115/68 2 weeks ago it was 130/80..

Here is what i ate:

Breakfast
100g oats
90g banana
50 raspberries
50g strawberry
10g 86% dark chocolate
60g whey chocolate
10g honey

Snack 2 (a cheat snack at the store walk)
Protein shake 21g protein
1 cinnamon bun

Meal 3 (pwo)
Jasmin rice 130g
Beef strips 170g
Spinach 50g
Bell pepper 50g
250ml blood orange juice (for polyphenols)

Intra shake:
40g maltodextrin
Electrolytes
Creatine



Meal 4 post workout
Coco pops 120g
Whey 30g
Protein milk 300g

Meal 5
Jasmin rice 130g
Chicken mince 200g
Peas carrots cauliflower mix 100g
Low fat cheese 20g
Protein pudding 1

Meal 6
Greek yoghurt 260g
Quaker granola 30g
Medjool dates 30g
Kefir 50g
Frozen blueberries 50g
Honey 10g

Macros: kcal4705 P295 C655 F89

Can admin change my log name to : Operation mass monster

@Norwhey99 really good looking meals man. I like the name you want to change to also.

 

[Norwhey99]

@Norwhey99 really good looking meals man. I like the name you want to change to also.

Hehe thanks brother

 

[Ulter]

Yeah i only use the sugary ones pre/post workout and if i need a quick emergency meal with me to work i use special K/weetabix with lots of fiber

When I was a kid I can remember eating the one with marshmallows. I don't remember the name. I think it was called Count Chocula or something.

 

[Norwhey99]

I want to optimize all the variables(sleep/food/training) 110% before i go crazy with the Aas so the plan this cycle is to just stay on test and see how much i can get out of that maybe put in some GH year round for extra synergy and up the test to 500. I want to optimize all the variables(sleep/food/training) 110% before i go crazy with the compounds/doses.


Do you guys think its realistic to stay on for 26-30 weeks on that dose?

 

[LevButlerov]

I want to optimize all the variables(sleep/food/training) 110% before i go crazy with the Aas so the plan this cycle is to just stay on test and see how much i can get out of that maybe put in some GH year round for extra synergy and up the test to 500. I want to optimize all the variables(sleep/food/training) 110% before i go crazy with the compounds/doses.


Do you guys think its realistic to stay on for 26-30 weeks on that dose?

you can stay on for 26 weeks but you need to work on health parts too like supps sleep cardio

 

[Norwhey99]

Okey, I use nac,citrus bergamot,vit C,omega 3, taurine for health i feel like thats enough on a test only cycle since i have a budget to.

 

[LevButlerov]

Okey, I use nac,citrus bergamot,vit C,omega 3, taurine for health i feel like thats enough on a test only cycle since i have a budget to.

if you feel its enough sure but its not enough @Norwhey99 and if you cant afford supps please budget before next cycle and save
its like doing something half with sides

 

[Norwhey99]

if you feel its enough sure but its not enough @Norwhey99 and if you cant afford supps please budget before next cycle and save
its like doing something half with sides

What do you think is missing? I dont feel i need astralagus for example since i am only on test