Veteran Log First Testosterone Cycle Log

[LevButlerov]

I'll be smart, I promise. The universe already punished me once for not taking your advice lol

I'm for you not being punished, but being Loved more by the EVO family
lets do this right!

 

[HarleyGuy]

I'm for you not being punished, but being Loved more by the EVO family
lets do this right!

Ya @BeMe you sado-masachist stop hurting and punishing yourself you sicko!

 

[LevButlerov]

Ya @BeMe you sado-masachist stop hurting and punishing yourself you sicko!

Don't hate the player, hate the game lol

 

[BeMe]

Ya @BeMe you sado-masachist stop hurting and punishing yourself you sicko!

Don't hate the player, hate the game lol

It was actually the universe that punished me for not taking @LevButlerov advice.

He told me to take time off training because of the wrist and I said no I'm fine I'll just work around it. I train that night, next day I tore up my shoulder at work. Got the message loud and clear

 

[LevButlerov]

It was actually the universe that punished me for not taking @LevButlerov advice.

He told me to take time off training because of the wrist and I said no I'm fine I'll just work around it. I train that night, next day I tore up my shoulder at work. Got the message loud and clear

Tough lesson but it sounds like you’re taking it the right way. Sometimes it takes a setback like that to remind us recovery is just as important as the weights. Heal up, follow the advice this time, and you’ll come back stronger with more longevity in your training. EVO family big love your way @BeMe

 

[BodyMonster34]

Only the flower scented stuff for you right? Reminds you of the sound of music?

bro I like Irish Spring

 

[2Thick]

Yea unfortunately I'm very familiar with shoulder rehab. I had surgery on my right shoulder. This is my good shoulder thats messed up this time.

On the bright side it's recovering quick. I think the pain and immobility was mostly due to inflammation.

that is great news

 

[BeMe]

bro I like Irish Spring

Reminds you of the sound of music? Work well in a sock too

 

[BeMe]

Log Day 170

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

This wrist problem is weird cuz sometimes I feel a lot better and other times it's getting worse. It feels different then before now too. Its less in my ulnar lunar area and more in-between my carpals radiating down to my wrist. The pain isn't anywbere near as bad as before but it's annoying and stingy pain.

Starting to worry it might be GH carpal tunnel and my wrist injury was masking it before. Going to drop the GH to 1iu for a while and see.

Shoulder is getting better consistently. No setbacks to report. I was able to do a lot over overhead stuff at work today and it didn't cause me any pain, just a bit weaker than normal.

Back training today, finally. Feels great. Going light and avoiding anything with my shoulder or wrist. Just feels good to be moving some weight again.

 

[LevButlerov]

Log Day 170

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

This wrist problem is weird cuz sometimes I feel a lot better and other times it's getting worse. It feels different then before now too. Its less in my ulnar lunar area and more in-between my carpals radiating down to my wrist. The pain isn't anywbere near as bad as before but it's annoying and stingy pain.

Starting to worry it might be GH carpal tunnel and my wrist injury was masking it before. Going to drop the GH to 1iu for a while and see.

Shoulder is getting better consistently. No setbacks to report. I was able to do a lot over overhead stuff at work today and it didn't cause me any pain, just a bit weaker than normal.

Back training today, finally. Feels great. Going light and avoiding anything with my shoulder or wrist. Just feels good to be moving some weight again.

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Good call dropping GH down if you suspect carpal tunnel, it’s not worth pushing through that stingy pain in the wrist. Shoulder coming along steady is a big plus, the fact you’re overhead again without pain shows healing is moving the right way even if strength isn’t fully back yet.

Log is looking solid, keep posting your lifts and any changes in how the wrist feels, that way it’s easier to spot patterns and see if it’s GH related or just the old injury flaring differently.

I would consider complete hgh drop to 0 for 1 week to test. @BeMe

 

[stevesmi]

Log Day 170

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

This wrist problem is weird cuz sometimes I feel a lot better and other times it's getting worse. It feels different then before now too. Its less in my ulnar lunar area and more in-between my carpals radiating down to my wrist. The pain isn't anywbere near as bad as before but it's annoying and stingy pain.

Starting to worry it might be GH carpal tunnel and my wrist injury was masking it before. Going to drop the GH to 1iu for a while and see.

Shoulder is getting better consistently. No setbacks to report. I was able to do a lot over overhead stuff at work today and it didn't cause me any pain, just a bit weaker than normal.

Back training today, finally. Feels great. Going light and avoiding anything with my shoulder or wrist. Just feels good to be moving some weight again.

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@BeMe hoping dropping the hgh fixes the issue. wrist problems are a huge issue.

 

[toddthelineman]

Good move. Hopefully it’s not that. GH has definitely given me carpal tunnel before, but it was very pronounced in the morning. And your blood pressure is still good, yes?

 

[BeMe]

Good call dropping GH down if you suspect carpal tunnel, it’s not worth pushing through that stingy pain in the wrist. Shoulder coming along steady is a big plus, the fact you’re overhead again without pain shows healing is moving the right way even if strength isn’t fully back yet.

Log is looking solid, keep posting your lifts and any changes in how the wrist feels, that way it’s easier to spot patterns and see if it’s GH related or just the old injury flaring differently.

I would consider complete hgh drop to 0 for 1 week to test. @BeMe

Ok zero it is! We'll see how it goes. It's weird how I have back to back issues in the same wrist. Before I couldn't carry a dinner plate and it hurt on the side. So if my wrist was half supinated the pain was bad.

Now I get pain in my carpals if my wrist is fully extend and I press a bit on my palm. The pain is non existent otherwise @LevButlerov

 

[BeMe]

@BeMe hoping dropping the hgh fixes the issue. wrist problems are a huge issue.

Yea it's a pain in the ass. I could train around it until this stupid shoulder injury. Hopefully I my shoulder will be nice and strong again by the end of the week.

 

[BeMe]

Good move. Hopefully it’s not that. GH has definitely given me carpal tunnel before, but it was very pronounced in the morning. And your blood pressure is still good, yes?

Ya BP is in the low 120s/70s

I'm not positive it's the GH, could be some sort of weird injury and the pain is migrating around in different ways. Process of elimination though right.

All I know is this isn't something I've dealt with before. Atleast this new pain. The first wrist problem I was dealing with I've had that before from putting too much torque on it bending stuff.

 

[toddthelineman]

Ya BP is in the low 120s/70s

I'm not positive it's the GH, could be some sort of weird injury and the pain is migrating around in different ways. Process of elimination though right.

All I know is this isn't something I've dealt with before. Atleast this new pain. The first wrist problem I was dealing with I've had that before from putting too much torque on it bending stuff.

And this is the same wrist as the injured shoulder?

Sucks to drop the gh completely when you’re dealing with that, but I think it’s worth it. Just to be sure. You’re already babying the shoulder right? Not flogging it at work?

 

[BeMe]

And this is the same wrist as the injured shoulder?

Sucks to drop the gh completely when you’re dealing with that, but I think it’s worth it. Just to be sure. You’re already babying the shoulder right? Not flogging it at work?

Yea but the wrist was bugging me for a week before the shoulder flamed up.

Ya last week I had to baby it pretty good and let the kid help more than usual. Today I was back working as usual. No heavy lifting but able to work consistently overhead without any pain.

I hear a little cracking and popping in the shoulder when I do windmills and there's still a bit of pain when I do backwards windmills. Other than that it's feeling pretty good.

 

[Noah Wixx]

Log Day 170

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

This wrist problem is weird cuz sometimes I feel a lot better and other times it's getting worse. It feels different then before now too. Its less in my ulnar lunar area and more in-between my carpals radiating down to my wrist. The pain isn't anywbere near as bad as before but it's annoying and stingy pain.

Starting to worry it might be GH carpal tunnel and my wrist injury was masking it before. Going to drop the GH to 1iu for a while and see.

Shoulder is getting better consistently. No setbacks to report. I was able to do a lot over overhead stuff at work today and it didn't cause me any pain, just a bit weaker than normal.

Back training today, finally. Feels great. Going light and avoiding anything with my shoulder or wrist. Just feels good to be moving some weight again.

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I hope you get well and recover fast brother hate seeing someone down and out and not at their best, keep pushing forward brother you got this

 

[Mobster]

Creaky joints, mood feels a bit down, libido is a bit down. It's kinda like an overall less positive feeling in my mind and body. Duno for sure if it's low estrogen but my bloodwork will tell me for sure tomorrow. The symptoms I'm dealing with tick all the low e2 boxes for sure.

Sounds right but let's be sure in case it's just a bug

 

[ceo]

Log Day 170

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

This wrist problem is weird cuz sometimes I feel a lot better and other times it's getting worse. It feels different then before now too. Its less in my ulnar lunar area and more in-between my carpals radiating down to my wrist. The pain isn't anywbere near as bad as before but it's annoying and stingy pain.

Starting to worry it might be GH carpal tunnel and my wrist injury was masking it before. Going to drop the GH to 1iu for a while and see.

Shoulder is getting better consistently. No setbacks to report. I was able to do a lot over overhead stuff at work today and it didn't cause me any pain, just a bit weaker than normal.

Back training today, finally. Feels great. Going light and avoiding anything with my shoulder or wrist. Just feels good to be moving some weight again.

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bros dont' be falling apart on us. you are too young to have all these injuries. but in your line of work its easy to get wear/tear @BeMe

 

[stevesmi]

Yea it's a pain in the ass. I could train around it until this stupid shoulder injury. Hopefully I my shoulder will be nice and strong again by the end of the week.

keep up with the stretching and mobility. might be time to take some time from the gym and just do some yoga

 

[2Thick]

Log Day 170

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

This wrist problem is weird cuz sometimes I feel a lot better and other times it's getting worse. It feels different then before now too. Its less in my ulnar lunar area and more in-between my carpals radiating down to my wrist. The pain isn't anywbere near as bad as before but it's annoying and stingy pain.

Starting to worry it might be GH carpal tunnel and my wrist injury was masking it before. Going to drop the GH to 1iu for a while and see.

Shoulder is getting better consistently. No setbacks to report. I was able to do a lot over overhead stuff at work today and it didn't cause me any pain, just a bit weaker than normal.

Back training today, finally. Feels great. Going light and avoiding anything with my shoulder or wrist. Just feels good to be moving some weight again.

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this is a sensational update @BeMe I'm glad your shoulder is feeling better. Keep stretching it out and making sure that the mobility improves.

 

[Ulter]

Log Day 170

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

This wrist problem is weird cuz sometimes I feel a lot better and other times it's getting worse. It feels different then before now too. Its less in my ulnar lunar area and more in-between my carpals radiating down to my wrist. The pain isn't anywbere near as bad as before but it's annoying and stingy pain.

Starting to worry it might be GH carpal tunnel and my wrist injury was masking it before. Going to drop the GH to 1iu for a while and see.

Shoulder is getting better consistently. No setbacks to report. I was able to do a lot over overhead stuff at work today and it didn't cause me any pain, just a bit weaker than normal.

Back training today, finally. Feels great. Going light and avoiding anything with my shoulder or wrist. Just feels good to be moving some weight again.

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@BeMe wrists and shoulders are common over use injuries. probably a good idea to lay off for a while longer. you don't want to re-aggravate

 

[ROIDDERS]

Log Day 170

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

This wrist problem is weird cuz sometimes I feel a lot better and other times it's getting worse. It feels different then before now too. Its less in my ulnar lunar area and more in-between my carpals radiating down to my wrist. The pain isn't anywbere near as bad as before but it's annoying and stingy pain.

Starting to worry it might be GH carpal tunnel and my wrist injury was masking it before. Going to drop the GH to 1iu for a while and see.

Shoulder is getting better consistently. No setbacks to report. I was able to do a lot over overhead stuff at work today and it didn't cause me any pain, just a bit weaker than normal.

Back training today, finally. Feels great. Going light and avoiding anything with my shoulder or wrist. Just feels good to be moving some weight again.

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at the end of the day you gotta listen to your body. that is a very important thing to do or else you are in trouble. @BeMe

 

[RoySimpson]

Log Day 170

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

This wrist problem is weird cuz sometimes I feel a lot better and other times it's getting worse. It feels different then before now too. Its less in my ulnar lunar area and more in-between my carpals radiating down to my wrist. The pain isn't anywbere near as bad as before but it's annoying and stingy pain.

Starting to worry it might be GH carpal tunnel and my wrist injury was masking it before. Going to drop the GH to 1iu for a while and see.

Shoulder is getting better consistently. No setbacks to report. I was able to do a lot over overhead stuff at work today and it didn't cause me any pain, just a bit weaker than normal.

Back training today, finally. Feels great. Going light and avoiding anything with my shoulder or wrist. Just feels good to be moving some weight again.

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@BeMe jump on the peptides ive had similar issues!

 

[Pigsy]

Yea it's a pain in the ass. I could train around it until this stupid shoulder injury. Hopefully I my shoulder will be nice and strong again by the end of the week.

Little niggle pains/injuries get annoying when, trying find the cause of them

 

[BeMe]

I hope you get well and recover fast brother hate seeing someone down and out and not at their best, keep pushing forward brother you got this

Thanks bro. I just put my head down and keep doing what I can. Shitty times are always temporary and they make us appreciate our health a lot more once we're back feeling right again. You know me bro, silver linings. Always trying to stay positive no matter what. Having a brother like you just makes it that much easier tho!

 

[BeMe]

bros dont' be falling apart on us. you are too young to have all these injuries. but in your line of work its easy to get wear/tear @BeMe

I'll try not to fall apart lol. I've racked up sooo many injuries over the years tho. Been through 6 surgeries. Sports and other adrenaline fueled activities have left with me with a pretty battered body got a 40 year old. It's all good tho. I do what I can to improve things and just try to be more careful and work with what I got

 

[BeMe]

keep up with the stretching and mobility. might be time to take some time from the gym and just do some yoga

It's funny cuz I was just talking about that this morning with my apprentice. I stopped yoga when I started seriously weight training cuz it was tough making time for both.

My 20yr old apprentice stretched every night and morning and it reminded me that my 40yr old ass needs to start again.

Do you have any routines you recommend @stevesmi ? I used to just use an app called daily yoga but those were like 20-30min routines.

 

[BeMe]

@BeMe wrists and shoulders are common over use injuries. probably a good idea to lay off for a while longer. you don't want to re-aggravate

It's funny you should say that. I hit bis and tris only last night. Skipped the hanging leg raises and forearm curls and before bed my shoulder was a bit sore again this morning it was kinda stiff.

I dropped the weights but I think the caveman brain took over and I overdid the reps. Gonna hit legs tonight and just do some very light weight mobility stuff.

 

[BeMe]

@BeMe jump on the peptides ive had similar issues!

Yep running BPC and TB as we speak. I'm a little over a week on the BPC and half a week on the TB.

 

[BeMe]

Little niggle pains/injuries get annoying when, trying find the cause of them

Yea it's always hard to narrow down exactly where you went wrong when it's not a major injury. Really tough thinking back and playing detective lol. I'm pretty sure I know what did my wrist in but not even close to positive. I've dropped the GH to rule out carpal tunnel but other than that I'm clueless lol

 

[Pigsy]

Yea it's always hard to narrow down exactly where you went wrong when it's not a major injury. Really tough thinking back and playing detective lol. I'm pretty sure I know what did my wrist in but not even close to positive. I've dropped the GH to rule out carpal tunnel but other than that I'm clueless lol

I get in my right shoulder when pruning the Grapevines. I brought a shoulder brace that takes m some of the shock away and has help a lot. Also for my wrist hands I brought some braces that keeps you hands and fingers straight while sleeping. Which help that issue for myself.

 

[RoidRage69]

Ever since I moved onto a SSB for squatting all my shoulder, elbow, and wrist pain has gone away. I swear its a godsend moving to that bar.

 

[BeMe]

I get in my right shoulder when pruning the Grapevines. I brought a shoulder brace that takes m some of the shock away and has help a lot. Also for my wrist hands I brought some braces that keeps you hands and fingers straight while sleeping. Which help that issue for myself.

Me too with the wrist brace. Bought it years ago for my other wrist but it helps a lot. I roll around a lot in my sleep and always make wrist injuries worse.

Pruning must lead to some serious repetitive stress injuries.

 

[Pigsy]

Me too with the wrist brace. Bought it years ago for my other wrist but it helps a lot. I roll around a lot in my sleep and always make wrist injuries worse.

Pruning must lead to some serious repetitive stress injuries.

It does, battery operated cutters, have been a God send

 

[BeMe]

Ever since I moved onto a SSB for squatting all my shoulder, elbow, and wrist pain has gone away. I swear its a godsend moving to that bar.

I only use an SSB. @Pigsy and I both use the transformer bar. Its a cool bar that can mimic the actual loading of the different squat variations.

My right shoulder doesn't have the mobility to barbell squat after surgery. This is my good shoulder thats fucked now lol

 

[BeMe]

It does, battery operated cutters, have been a God send

I had a similar breakthrough in my industry. I'm an electrician and I used to get wrist pain from constantly hand screwing in stuff like junction boxes on big jobs. It would be days of just cranking in screws. When they invented the little 12v impact drivers it changed my world lol.

 

[Pigsy]

I had a similar breakthrough in my industry. I'm an electrician and I used to get wrist pain from constantly hand screwing in stuff like junction boxes on big jobs. It would be days of just cranking in screws. When they invented the little 12v impact drivers it changed my world lol.

I have a good collection of battery operated tools for the farm workshop. Make life so easy

 

[BeMe]

I have a good collection of battery operated tools for the farm workshop. Make life so easy

Ya technology has really come through for us guys in labour fields. The tools that can operate off batteries now are insane. You can get a battery operated jack hammer or concrete saw from Milwaukee lol. It's awesome

 

[stevesmi]

It's funny cuz I was just talking about that this morning with my apprentice. I stopped yoga when I started seriously weight training cuz it was tough making time for both.

My 20yr old apprentice stretched every night and morning and it reminded me that my 40yr old ass needs to start again.

Do you have any routines you recommend @stevesmi ? I used to just use an app called daily yoga but those were like 20-30min routines.

I go to yoga and classes 2-3x per week. It’s nice to do it in a class setting. Also at home I stretch several times a day and do the foam rollers

 

[BeMe]

I go to yoga and classes 2-3x per week. It’s nice to do it in a class setting. Also at home I stretch several times a day and do the foam rollers

Ya a class is outta the question for me. I'll try to find something I can do for like 15mins a day.

Time is already so limited. I'm always working. Even right now I'm doing invoicing so I can just focus on training in 30 mins..sometimes I work between sets lol

 

[stevesmi]

Ya a class is outta the question for me. I'll try to find something I can do for like 15mins a day.

Time is already so limited. I'm always working. Even right now I'm doing invoicing so I can just focus on training in 30 mins..sometimes I work between sets lol

I would find some videos online of quick workouts

 

[BeMe]

I would find some videos online of quick workouts

Yea YouTube is great for that.

 

[RoidRage69]

I only use an SSB. @Pigsy and I both use the transformer bar. Its a cool bar that can mimic the actual loading of the different squat variations.

My right shoulder doesn't have the mobility to barbell squat after surgery. This is my good shoulder thats fucked now lol

I figure I will use that bar most of the year and then go to a regular bar when in contest prep.

 

[BeMe]

I figure I will use that bar most of the year and then go to a regular bar when in contest prep.

That's a really smart plan.

Too bad there isn't a banged up guy division where you can just compete with and SSB lol.

 

[BeMe]

Log Day 171

Well I did it again. Figured I'm alright and good to train. I was sorta smart and only did Bis and Tris. Dropped the weight and said id take it easy. Next thing I know I'm just repping out to 2 RIR every set lol. Didn't have any immediate pain so I thought fuck it let's roll with it.

Later at night the pain showed up lol. Wasn't so bad. Woke up a bit stiff and sore this morning but manageable and it worked itself out through the day. So all and all I wasn't that stupid.

No bedtime GH for me last night. First night of my 1 week possible carpal tunnel experiment. Recovery was pretty good without the GH. I'm secretly hoping this isn't the answer to my wrist cuz I really love GH and wouldn't want to ruin it.

 

[LevButlerov]

Ok zero it is! We'll see how it goes. It's weird how I have back to back issues in the same wrist. Before I couldn't carry a dinner plate and it hurt on the side. So if my wrist was half supinated the pain was bad.

Now I get pain in my carpals if my wrist is fully extend and I press a bit on my palm. The pain is non existent otherwise @LevButlerov

Sounds like the right call going zero if it keeps showing up in the same wrist. First it was pain when carrying with a half supinated grip and now it’s in the carpals only when fully extended, that points to irritation that just needs time off. If it’s pain free otherwise, you’ll be able to train around it while it settles down. Mainly do lower body, core (no hands) and cardio. @BeMe

 

[LevButlerov]

Log Day 171

Well I did it again. Figured I'm alright and good to train. I was sorta smart and only did Bis and Tris. Dropped the weight and said id take it easy. Next thing I know I'm just repping out to 2 RIR every set lol. Didn't have any immediate pain so I thought fuck it let's roll with it.

Later at night the pain showed up lol. Wasn't so bad. Woke up a bit stiff and sore this morning but manageable and it worked itself out through the day. So all and all I wasn't that stupid.

No bedtime GH for me last night. First night of my 1 week possible carpal tunnel experiment. Recovery was pretty good without the GH. I'm secretly hoping this isn't the answer to my wrist cuz I really love GH and wouldn't want to ruin it.

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You pushed it harder than planned but at least it was just arms and nothing crazy heavy, so not the worst call. The pain creeping in later shows it’s still touchy, but good that it eased up through the day instead of blowing up worse. You really should take my advice about time off upper body, come on you being too much of a meathead lol.

Skipping GH for the week is smart if you’re testing the carpal tunnel angle, recovery looked decent without it which is promising. Hopefully it’s not the GH causing it, but if it is then at least you’ll know for sure and can adjust. I would time this 1-2 weeks. @BeMe

 

[toddthelineman]

I'm secretly hoping this isn't the answer to my wrist cuz I really love GH and wouldn't want to ruin

Even if it is, you could probably give it a break and then get it back in later at 1iu. Stay there for months, bump up a little, back down if needed. I was pretty committed to gh for over a year. I spent a freaking fortune on it, for me, and I really wanted to get what I could out of it so I toughed it out for the most part. Overtime it became more manageable, but different brands do seem a little different imo. I felt that some held more water than others. Some made my hands more numb than others, etc

 

[BeMe]

Sounds like the right call going zero if it keeps showing up in the same wrist. First it was pain when carrying with a half supinated grip and now it’s in the carpals only when fully extended, that points to irritation that just needs time off. If it’s pain free otherwise, you’ll be able to train around it while it settles down. Mainly do lower body, core (no hands) and cardio. @BeMe

You pushed it harder than planned but at least it was just arms and nothing crazy heavy, so not the worst call. The pain creeping in later shows it’s still touchy, but good that it eased up through the day instead of blowing up worse. You really should take my advice about time off upper body, come on you being too much of a meathead lol.

Skipping GH for the week is smart if you’re testing the carpal tunnel angle, recovery looked decent without it which is promising. Hopefully it’s not the GH causing it, but if it is then at least you’ll know for sure and can adjust. I would time this 1-2 weeks. @BeMe

Ohhhh I know...I am a serious meathead. Something just comes over me when I start moving the weights, getting a pump, metal blasting in the background, I just lose control and can't help myself lol. Classic meathead stuff.

I did train some upper today, that's what I laughed at your first post LOL. But I was smart about it. I dropped the weight to 35% and stopped at 12 reps for every set. I told myself no more than 12 no matter what. Felt good getting some blood pumping in that shoulder. I purposely kept the movements slow and very very controlled. Then I did some deep stretching in between sets. Figured this should help promote healing instead of hindering it.

Then I went heavy on some squats and got that pent up energy out. I actually got a surprisingly decent pump from those lightweight focused reps tho..wasn't bad at all.

 

[BeMe]

Even if it is, you could probably give it a break and then get it back in later at 1iu. Stay there for months, bump up a little, back down if needed. I was pretty committed to gh for over a year. I spent a freaking fortune on it, for me, and I really wanted to get what I could out of it so I toughed it out for the most part. Overtime it became more manageable, but different brands do seem a little different imo. I felt that some held more water than others. Some made my hands more numb than others, etc

Yes I've heard this online too. I think it's Mannitol that makes you hold water and some don't have Mannitol? Or did I get that backwards Mr mad scientist?

I'd like to run GH at 4 units before bed ideally. If I can't do that cuz the carpal tunnel I guess I'll have to just cruise on Tren like someone else we know LOL.

Kurt Havens wrote a book on GH and the optimal dose is 4iu before bedtime, so I was really psyched on trying that. Even got my IGF1 and igf1-BP3 testing done to make sure I'm good to go.

 

[LevButlerov]

Ohhhh I know...I am a serious meathead. Something just comes over me when I start moving the weights, getting a pump, metal blasting in the background, I just lose control and can't help myself lol. Classic meathead stuff.

I did train some upper today, that's what I laughed at your first post LOL. But I was smart about it. I dropped the weight to 35% and stopped at 12 reps for every set. I told myself no more than 12 no matter what. Felt good getting some blood pumping in that shoulder. I purposely kept the movements slow and very very controlled. Then I did some deep stretching in between sets. Figured this should help promote healing instead of hindering it.

Then I went heavy on some squats and got that pent up energy out. I actually got a surprisingly decent pump from those lightweight focused reps tho..wasn't bad at all.

You came to the right place for max overtraining and meatheads LOL
Good call dropping the load on the shoulder and sticking to 12 clean reps, that’s the smartest way to get blood in there without setting yourself back. The slow tempo and stretching between sets will help with healing, that’s exactly how you should be handling it.

Squats were the right outlet for the energy, heavy legs will keep the progress rolling while you let the upper heal. Even with lighter weights you saw the pump, shows you don’t need to push crazy numbers right now to get something out of it. @BeMe

 

[stevesmi]

Yea YouTube is great for that.

for shoulders what helped me a lot was:

eagle pose.
thread the needle
shoulder rolls

also look into tai chi for your wrists and elbow


for back:

cat cow
camel
cobra
moon pose

its all about building mobility and flexibility. yoga lubricates the joints. weight training dries them out. so proper balance is important. people have to remember pro athletes spend more time stretching and warming up, then they do playing the actual game. why? cause science has proven it prevents injuries and helps their performance. fans show up to the game and ignorantly think the players leave the locker room and just magically play the game. they don't get they have been there 3 hours doing their pre game stuff. Ricky Williams not only did his pre game stuff but also post game he would do yoga in the locker room in the corner. it helped him as he got older

 

[BeMe]

You came to the right place for max overtraining and meatheads LOL
Good call dropping the load on the shoulder and sticking to 12 clean reps, that’s the smartest way to get blood in there without setting yourself back. The slow tempo and stretching between sets will help with healing, that’s exactly how you should be handling it.

Squats were the right outlet for the energy, heavy legs will keep the progress rolling while you let the upper heal. Even with lighter weights you saw the pump, shows you don’t need to push crazy numbers right now to get something out of it. @BeMe

Being smart about things pays off sometimes. I didn't go to sleep or wake up with any shoulder pain. Got a little work in, a decent pump, and no pain, winning. Lol

 

[BeMe]

for shoulders what helped me a lot was:

eagle pose.
thread the needle
shoulder rolls

also look into tai chi for your wrists and elbow


for back:

cat cow
camel
cobra
moon pose

its all about building mobility and flexibility. yoga lubricates the joints. weight training dries them out. so proper balance is important. people have to remember pro athletes spend more time stretching and warming up, then they do playing the actual game. why? cause science has proven it prevents injuries and helps their performance. fans show up to the game and ignorantly think the players leave the locker room and just magically play the game. they don't get they have been there 3 hours doing their pre game stuff. Ricky Williams not only did his pre game stuff but also post game he would do yoga in the locker room in the corner. it helped him as he got older

That's great advice! Thanks @stevesmi I'll look into those poses. The only ones I recognize our cat cow and cobra. Then again I don't really know many names of the poses I was doing.

Ricky Williams is a great example. Should I also smoke so much weed that the NFL has to ban me LOL. He ended up playing Canadian football here in Toronto for us. It was a pretty big deal back in the day when the NFL superstar lands in our city playing shitty Canadian football. We didn't care if he wanted to smoke

 

[stevesmi]

That's great advice! Thanks @stevesmi I'll look into those poses. The only ones I recognize our cat cow and cobra. Then again I don't really know many names of the poses I was doing.

Ricky Williams is a great example. Should I also smoke so much weed that the NFL has to ban me LOL. He ended up playing Canadian football here in Toronto for us. It was a pretty big deal back in the day when the NFL superstar lands in our city playing shitty Canadian football. We didn't care if he wanted to smoke

yeah ricky has a pot business. i think in his case smoking weed vs. taking painkillers is a no brainer. but my stance on pot is for everyone else it does more harm then good. it still ruins the lungs and is addictive. anytime you are addicted to something it is harmful in its own right. you become a slave to it. i'm all for legalizing it though as its silly its illegal when people who want to use it are getting it regardless.

 

[BeMe]

yeah ricky has a pot business. i think in his case smoking weed vs. taking painkillers is a no brainer. but my stance on pot is for everyone else it does more harm then good. it still ruins the lungs and is addictive. anytime you are addicted to something it is harmful in its own right. you become a slave to it. i'm all for legalizing it though as its silly its illegal when people who want to use it are getting it regardless.

I think Ricky also had some mental illness issues he was dealing with and the weed help them with that as well. Yeah weed versus opiates go weed lol. The first time I got an opiate habit was when they took away my oxys after surgery. That's stuff is evil. We might be a little bit addictive but it's nothing like these powerful painkillers the pharma companies have engineered.

 

[stevesmi]

I think Ricky also had some mental illness issues he was dealing with and the weed help them with that as well. Yeah weed versus opiates go weed lol. The first time I got an opiate habit was when they took away my oxys after surgery. That's stuff is evil. We might be a little bit addictive but it's nothing like these powerful painkillers the pharma companies have engineered.

he said on the podcasts he has been doing he started smoking pot once he got into the nfl to deal with all the pain he was going through. he said it made no sense to him to take a handful of painkillers vs. smoking some weed. i agree with hiim for sure.

i still have a ricky williams jersey. as far as i'm concerned. since Marino retired he is our best player. played a brutal position at RB and got ran into the ground too

 

[toddthelineman]

he said on the podcasts he has been doing he started smoking pot once he got into the nfl to deal with all the pain he was going through. he said it made no sense to him to take a handful of painkillers vs. smoking some weed. i agree with hiim for sure.

That’s not something I understand. I tried to use cannabis for chronic pain. I feel like it almost always made it worse. Like I would just be high and sensitized to it. But at times, it could help me get really good sleep and I would feel better the next day. And then as soon as it became a daily thing I felt worse

 

[stevesmi]

That’s not something I understand. I tried to use cannabis for chronic pain. I feel like it almost always made it worse. Like I would just be high and sensitized to it. But at times, it could help me get really good sleep and I would feel better the next day. And then as soon as it became a daily thing I felt worse

yeah I am a Ricky fan so watched some of his podcasts. he has been on sports shows a lot lately but he is bigtime biased. the guy has a pot business and he was pushing weed way too much, almost like one of those late night infomercials. i have to admit i lost some respect for him but i get the hustle as he is likely almost broke post career like most athletes of that era. he has to make money somehow being retired and it certainly won't be working a regular job like most of us do

 

[toddthelineman]

yeah I am a Ricky fan so watched some of his podcasts. he has been on sports shows a lot lately but he is bigtime biased. the guy has a pot business and he was pushing weed way too much, almost like one of those late night infomercials. i have to admit i lost some respect for him but i get the hustle as he is likely almost broke post career like most athletes of that era. he has to make money somehow being retired and it certainly won't be working a regular job like most of us do

I’m not hating on him hahaha. I wish I enjoyed thc the way I used to. It was great. All I needed to be happy. It just doesn’t work anymore

 

[ceo]

I'll try not to fall apart lol. I've racked up sooo many injuries over the years tho. Been through 6 surgeries. Sports and other adrenaline fueled activities have left with me with a pretty battered body got a 40 year old. It's all good tho. I do what I can to improve things and just try to be more careful and work with what I got

bros yeah surgeries add up!

 

[stevesmi]

I’m not hating on him hahaha. I wish I enjoyed thc the way I used to. It was great. All I needed to be happy. It just doesn’t work anymore

yeah the body gets used to it.

 

[Ulter]

It's funny you should say that. I hit bis and tris only last night. Skipped the hanging leg raises and forearm curls and before bed my shoulder was a bit sore again this morning it was kinda stiff.

I dropped the weights but I think the caveman brain took over and I overdid the reps. Gonna hit legs tonight and just do some very light weight mobility stuff.

You will train through a lot of injuries because of adrenaline.

 

[BeMe]

he said on the podcasts he has been doing he started smoking pot once he got into the nfl to deal with all the pain he was going through. he said it made no sense to him to take a handful of painkillers vs. smoking some weed. i agree with hiim for sure.

i still have a ricky williams jersey. as far as i'm concerned. since Marino retired he is our best player. played a brutal position at RB and got ran into the ground too

Yea it was a shame the nfl lost him. These days they pronab wouldn't care.

 

[BeMe]

That’s not something I understand. I tried to use cannabis for chronic pain. I feel like it almost always made it worse. Like I would just be high and sensitized to it. But at times, it could help me get really good sleep and I would feel better the next day. And then as soon as it became a daily thing I felt worse

Ya I always noticed the same thing. Makes you focus on the pain lol

 

[BeMe]

You will train through a lot of injuries because of adrenaline.

I just train through them cuz my brain tells my body to quit being a pussy lol

 

[Ulter]

I just train through them cuz my brain tells my body to quit being a pussy lol

you are sounding like bodymonster now. wonder where that guy is haven't seen him in a couple days posting?

 

[stevesmi]

Yea it was a shame the nfl lost him. These days they pronab wouldn't care.

well a big reason he retired was he got tired of getting the snot beat out of him. the team had no passing game and it was all on him.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Thanks bro. I just put my head down and keep doing what I can. Shitty times are always temporary and they make us appreciate our health a lot more once we're back feeling right again. You know me bro, silver linings. Always trying to stay positive no matter what. Having a brother like you just makes it that much easier tho!

Bad times are like bad weather. Sometimes it hangs around longer then we like and some storms are heavier then others. Eventually better times and weather come through.

Log Day 171

Well I did it again. Figured I'm alright and good to train. I was sorta smart and only did Bis and Tris. Dropped the weight and said id take it easy. Next thing I know I'm just repping out to 2 RIR every set lol. Didn't have any immediate pain so I thought fuck it let's roll with it.

Later at night the pain showed up lol. Wasn't so bad. Woke up a bit stiff and sore this morning but manageable and it worked itself out through the day. So all and all I wasn't that stupid.

No bedtime GH for me last night. First night of my 1 week possible carpal tunnel experiment. Recovery was pretty good without the GH. I'm secretly hoping this isn't the answer to my wrist cuz I really love GH and wouldn't want to ruin it.

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Gonna have to try and settle that inner beast brother, gotta give the body some time to catch back up and recover.

 

[BeMe]

you are sounding like bodymonster now. wonder where that guy is haven't seen him in a couple days posting?

Duno if that's a compliment or not lol. I played high level competitive sports my entire youth and you're always taught to play through the pain, and never stay down hurt. You get up and get to the bench for a change. The only reason you can ever stay down is it you got a concussion or a broken leg.

 

[BeMe]

Bad times are like bad weather. Sometimes it hangs around longer then we like and some storms are heavier then others. Eventually better times and weather come through.

Gonna have to try and settle that inner beast brother, gotta give the body some time to catch back up and recover.

Yea bro my brain knows all these things. Just something inside, I just an inner beast is a good term for it, makes me keep going. It's hard to know when your body is being a bitch and trying to tell your brain to quit just cuz it's being soft. Countless times I'll tweak something mid set and my bodies like rack and I say no and it turns out fine.

Even last night I felt a little something in my left knee during squats but I finished workset 1. Then I was thinking maybe I should just call it quits and not do any damage but I said fuck that and hit my second set fine.

Its always tough with these minor injuries to know what's real and what's just weakness trying to creep in and turn you into a quitter lol

 

[Allupfromhere]

Its always tough with these minor injuries to know what's real and what's just weakness trying to creep in and turn you into a quitter lol

I fine line isnt it between allowing yourself to recover on unconsciously giving yourself a free ticket to be soft..

I feel though anyone who genuinely has a solid crack every day semi knows whats a legit danger vs slacking off. Just strap the joints tight and rip into it haha.

Ypur body will let you know eventually let you know which way your heading.

 

[BeMe]

I fine line isnt it between allowing yourself to recover on unconsciously giving yourself a free ticket to be soft..

I feel though anyone who genuinely has a solid crack every day semi knows whats a legit danger vs slacking off. Just strap the joints tight and rip into it haha.

Ypur body will let you know eventually let you know which way your heading.

Yea that's mindset exactly. I'll find out after if it's a real injury and deal with it then lol.

Then I have to fight the inner beast again cuz it's telling me your fine, suck it up and get back to it. Yesterday I actually had a pretty good idea where I dropped the weight and said no matter what 12 reps and done. No doing extra. The day before I dropped the weight a tiny bit and just couldn't stop repping lol.

 

[BeMe]

Log Day 172

Well I used my brain for a change and didn't overdo it with training last night. Made sure all my upper work was low weight and 12 reps only. Still got a decent pump and felt great afterwards. No new pain to report.

Still not much improvement on the wrist but the shoulder is getting a lot better everyday.

Front squats went well adding 5lbs to the bar. Felt a little tweak in my left leg but it turned out to be nothing. Kept pushing and it all worked out. I backed off some reps on the GHRs just to be safe and it all worked out fine.

Sleep seems pretty stable even without the GH but recovery has slumped a bit. The necessary sacrifices for experimentation I guess lol.

 

[LevButlerov]

Being smart about things pays off sometimes. I didn't go to sleep or wake up with any shoulder pain. Got a little work in, a decent pump, and no pain, winning. Lol

No pain no gain, but no pain more gains lol the irony!

 

[LevButlerov]

Log Day 172

Well I used my brain for a change and didn't overdo it with training last night. Made sure all my upper work was low weight and 12 reps only. Still got a decent pump and felt great afterwards. No new pain to report.

Still not much improvement on the wrist but the shoulder is getting a lot better everyday.

Front squats went well adding 5lbs to the bar. Felt a little tweak in my left leg but it turned out to be nothing. Kept pushing and it all worked out. I backed off some reps on the GHRs just to be safe and it all worked out fine.

Sleep seems pretty stable even without the GH but recovery has slumped a bit. The necessary sacrifices for experimentation I guess lol.

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Smart call keeping the upper work lighter, still getting a pump without stressing the wrist or shoulder is the way to go while things heal. Front squats moving up with an extra 5 lbs shows lower body strength is holding, and pulling back a touch on GHRs was the right move to avoid aggravating that tweak.
Sleep steady without GH is good, but the slower recovery makes sense, just ride it out and let the joints catch up.
you're still on CBD right?

 

[BeMe]

Smart call keeping the upper work lighter, still getting a pump without stressing the wrist or shoulder is the way to go while things heal. Front squats moving up with an extra 5 lbs shows lower body strength is holding, and pulling back a touch on GHRs was the right move to avoid aggravating that tweak.
Sleep steady without GH is good, but the slower recovery makes sense, just ride it out and let the joints catch up.
you're still on CBD right?

Ya the CBD is going strong. That little experiment for 4 nights was an epic failure. Won't ever try that again. CBD like TRT is for life.

I am running a new little experiment at night though. I saw a Thomas Delaurer video that explained glycine can help prevent frequent urination at night. Taking 3g of glycine before bed, and moving 1/3 of your pre bed magnesium to dinner time is supposed to help. I'm only 1 night in and didn't notice any changes last night but if it works I'll be shouting it from the rooftops lol.

I wasn't going to mention until I tried it for a few nights but since we're on the topic of sleep supplements I couldn't help myself lol

 

[LevButlerov]

Ya the CBD is going strong. That little experiment for 4 nights was an epic failure. Won't ever try that again. CBD like TRT is for life.

I am running a new little experiment at night though. I saw a Thomas Delaurer video that explained glycine can help prevent frequent urination at night. Taking 3g of glycine before bed, and moving 1/3 of your pre bed magnesium to dinner time is supposed to help. I'm only 1 night in and didn't notice any changes last night but if it works I'll be shouting it from the rooftops lol.

I wasn't going to mention until I tried it for a few nights but since we're on the topic of sleep supplements I couldn't help myself lol

CBD locking in for you long term is solid, no reason to mess with what works.
The glycine and magnesium timing trick is worth testing, sometimes those small shifts make a difference with sleep quality and night bathroom trips.
Give it a few nights and see if it smooths things out, if it does then it’s an easy add to your routine. @BeMe

 

[BeMe]

CBD locking in for you long term is solid, no reason to mess with what works.
The glycine and magnesium timing trick is worth testing, sometimes those small shifts make a difference with sleep quality and night bathroom trips.
Give it a few nights and see if it smooths things out, if it does then it’s an easy add to your routine. @BeMe

Ya I thought the same. 3 grams of glycine does seem like a lot but I don't know of any complications that can come with it. Some people report groggyness in the mornings but I woke up feeling fine today.

 

[LevButlerov]

Ya I thought the same. 3 grams of glycine does seem like a lot but I don't know of any complications that can come with it. Some people report groggyness in the mornings but I woke up feeling fine today.

3g glycine is pretty common, some guys even push it higher before bed so you’re in a safe spot. If you’re waking up clear and not groggy then that’s a good sign it’s working for you. I’d just keep it consistent for a week or 2 and see if the sleep stays steady.

 

[toddthelineman]

Ya I thought the same. 3 grams of glycine does seem like a lot but I don't know of any complications that can come with it. Some people report groggyness in the mornings but I woke up feeling fine today.

I’ve played around with glycine. You can use it as a sweetener too. Put it in your shakes and stuff. It works. It’s not super powerful, but it’s noticeable. Good bone broth is full of glycine too

 

[BeMe]

I’ve played around with glycine. You can use it as a sweetener too. Put it in your shakes and stuff. It works. It’s not super powerful, but it’s noticeable. Good bone broth is full of glycine too

Cool I never knew that. I'm just taking capsules to limit the water before bed. Still haven't noticed much difference. I got up twice last night but who's to say I wouldn't have gotten up 3 times. One of those things

 

[Ulter]

Duno if that's a compliment or not lol. I played high level competitive sports my entire youth and you're always taught to play through the pain, and never stay down hurt. You get up and get to the bench for a change. The only reason you can ever stay down is it you got a concussion or a broken leg.

in my day with a concussion we would be thrown back in for more trauma. same with broken bones. i come from the generation that believed in no pain= no gain. you young guys would cry over a paper cut

 

[BeMe]

in my day with a concussion we would be thrown back in for more trauma. same with broken bones. i come from the generation that believed in no pain= no gain. you young guys would cry over a paper cut

Bro I'm 40 lol. I wish I was a young guy. The mentality was still the same when I was coming up. Hockey is about as tough of a sport and you can play. Kids playing football can't hit hard yet. When you're little playing hockey you can smoke guys cuz the speed you can build on skates. I got my first concussion when I was 7 lol. Same thing, no such thing as concussion protocols when I played competitively. Only advice was don't look into the bright lights and you're good lol

 

[HarleyGuy]

Ya I thought the same. 3 grams of glycine does seem like a lot but I don't know of any complications that can come with it. Some people report groggyness in the mornings but I woke up feeling fine today.

You ever try GABA? About 25 years ago the trend was to take 5g (five fuckin grams!) before bed. I used to think I was dying of a heart attack and couldn't breathe and would just wait til it passed. It was supposed to give you a deeper sleep and increase HGH pulsing and it can help with relaxation but 5 grams jesus don't do that. You heard it here!

 

[HarleyGuy]

Yea bro my brain knows all these things. Just something inside, I just an inner beast is a good term for it, makes me keep going. It's hard to know when your body is being a bitch and trying to tell your brain to quit just cuz it's being soft. Countless times I'll tweak something mid set and my bodies like rack and I say no and it turns out fine.

Even last night I felt a little something in my left knee during squats but I finished workset 1. Then I was thinking maybe I should just call it quits and not do any damage but I said fuck that and hit my second set fine.

Its always tough with these minor injuries to know what's real and what's just weakness trying to creep in and turn you into a quitter lol

I totally get this... in my unit you were still in the fight or you weren't. And, if you were out of the fight it was usually because you weren't breathing anymore. This mindset came back into my head when I tore my tendons in my elbows refusing to lose armwrestles to my two sons, dad, and brother in law in June of this year and it set me back to 188lbs from 205lbs... but 210 today baby!

@BeMe we gotta get you into the peptides bro! I'm a self proclaimed expert on those fuckers they work bro!

 

[toddthelineman]

I totally get this... in my unit you were still in the fight or you weren't. And, if you were out of the fight it was usually because you weren't breathing anymore. This mindset came back into my head when I tore my tendons in my elbows refusing to lose armwrestles to my two sons, dad, and brother in law in June of this year and it set me back to 188lbs from 205lbs... but 210 today baby!

@BeMe we gotta get you into the peptides bro! I'm a self proclaimed expert on those fuckers they work bro!

Bro how strong is your family that they injured you arm wrestling when you were working out and juiced?! What are yall doing up there?

 

[BeMe]

I totally get this... in my unit you were still in the fight or you weren't. And, if you were out of the fight it was usually because you weren't breathing anymore. This mindset came back into my head when I tore my tendons in my elbows refusing to lose armwrestles to my two sons, dad, and brother in law in June of this year and it set me back to 188lbs from 205lbs... but 210 today baby!

@BeMe we gotta get you into the peptides bro! I'm a self proclaimed expert on those fuckers they work bro!

I'm running 3 peptides bro. Well only 2, BPC and TB, GH is off for the week lol.

 

[BeMe]

Bro how strong is your family that they injured you arm wrestling when you were working out and juiced?! What are yall doing up there?

Arm wrestling has been the downfall of sooo many guys. I tore my tendons up too when I was in my late teens. Never arm wrestled again.

It's not even a strength thing sometimes. Guys can work angles on you and torque your arm the wrong way while your pushing the other way and it fucking ruins you quick. I ruined my arm arm wrestling a guy I was way stronger than but he jumped the gun and put all his weight in my arm and pop. Same thing as Harley, I didn't let go, I won...but then I lost in life lol.

Big injuries like that I learn my lesson. Same reason I don't stunt motorcycles anymore. 2 months in a hospital and I learned lol

 

[HarleyGuy]

Bro how strong is your family that they injured you arm wrestling when you were working out and juiced?! What are yall doing up there?

My sons are 24 and 22 and they lift. My Dad was a firefighter for 40 years and still has forearms like popeye and my brother in law is 6'3" and about 260lbs. The problem was they kept wanting to try again and again just to say they beat me and it was the over and over until I said ok that's enough and had to pretend like I wasn't injured just because I was being a stupid alpha. So all 4 were strong as fuck and I pulled it off but the repetition and at that weird angle we don't train at often (maybe hammer curls?) just was too much for the elbows.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I'm running 3 peptides bro. Well only 2, BPC and TB, GH is off for the week lol.

Shit I forgot you had the BPC and TB but now I remember, and you're hesitant about the GHK-Cu I remember now.

I'm always interested in GH strategy... does a week off of GH work for you or is it because you still wake up puffier than before bed and are running a trial?

 

[toddthelineman]

angles on you and torque your arm the wrong way while your pushing the ot

My old boss’s son was a record powerlifter. Benched 450 as a sophomore. He was deformed from muscularity lol. We stalemated after like 20 minutes, it was ridiculous. He refused to believe that a skinny coke head could hold him but I’m just literally retarded. It felt like there was a car parked on my arm but I had my bones lined up right and limitless endurance from work. They still talk about that at the company meetings. No one ever arm wrestled me after that. LOL. I’m not even strong. Just dumb hahaha

 

[BeMe]

Shit I forgot you had the BPC and TB but now I remember, and you're hesitant about the GHK-Cu I remember now.

I'm always interested in GH strategy... does a week off of GH work for you or is it because you still wake up puffier than before bed and are running a trial?

I'm doing it to rule out carpal tunnel in my wrist. I'm 90 percent sure it isn't, but its good to know for sure.

Also @LevButlerov recommended cycling off a couple days every 4-5 weeks. I've been on for 6 weeks now so 2 birds one stone I guess.

 

[BeMe]

My old boss’s son was a record powerlifter. Benched 450 as a sophomore. He was deformed from muscularity lol. We stalemated after like 20 minutes, it was ridiculous. He refused to believe that a skinny coke head could hold him but I’m just literally retarded. It felt like there was a car parked on my arm but I had my bones lined up right and limitless endurance from work. They still talk about that at the company meetings. No one ever arm wrestled me after that. LOL. I’m not even strong. Just dumb hahaha

Yea technique and working arm strength makes all the difference. I've watched YouTube videos of pro arm wrestlers training and these guys think up the craziest contraptions to build the muscles they need for that sport. It's very different to any kind of other training. You probably had it from pulling on your wire all the time, I mean pulling all that wire lol

 

[HarleyGuy]

I'm doing it to rule out carpal tunnel in my wrist. I'm 90 percent sure it isn't, but its good to know for sure.

Also @LevButlerov recommended cycling off a couple days every 4-5 weeks. I've been on for 6 weeks now so 2 birds one stone I guess.

Very smart!

 

[HarleyGuy]

Yea technique and working arm strength makes all the difference. I've watched YouTube videos of pro arm wrestlers training and these guys think up the craziest contraptions to build the muscles they need for that sport. It's very different to any kind of other training. You probably had it from pulling on your wire all the time, I mean pulling all that wire lol

I'm off cycle now 2 weeks and I can already feel the wire pulling urge going down

We should start a thread about load sizing... I think my PED use and HPTA being nuked has affected load volume. There's a whole bunch of magic potions that apparently help with that but I'm skeptical.

 

[BeMe]

I'm off cycle now 2 weeks and I can already feel the wire pulling urge going down

We should start a thread about load sizing... I think my PED use and HPTA being nuked has affected load volume. There's a whole bunch of magic potions that apparently help with that but I'm skeptical.

Not a subject that concerns me in the least lol

 

[BeMe]

Sounds right but let's be sure in case it's just a bug

@Mobster I had to go back 5 pages in my log to find this post, but I had to tell you that you were right! It was just a virus. My bloodwork confirmed it. My WBC was sky high. My doc checked the bloods and said that's what's up. All low e2 symptoms, but it's a virus afterall. Still feeling it a bit, but it is improving.

Amazing how much knowledge you drop in these one sentence posts lol.