help reading the testlevels

[E60530d82]

does someone know what measurement that these numbers presents? And what does them numbers say? Im 35,6,3 tall and 210 lbs.
Free test 4,7 (2,3-2,9)
total test 18,9 (6-35)
estradiol 0,09 (max0,20) (pmol/l?)

shbg 40,1 (8-60)
LH 1,7 (max12)
FSH 1,77 (max12)

Are those lh and fsh on the low end or normal?

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free test range is 2,3-9,9. type error in first post sorry.

 

[jp4355]

The Numbers mean Absolutely Nothing without you telling use whether.
You are currently On-Cycle or in PCT, or just finished PCT.
Or if you are on TRT or HRT.

And if you are currently On-Cycle, then which compounds and what are the Dosages.
And are you taking an AI..................................... JP

 

[E60530d82]

The Numbers mean Absolutely Nothing without you telling use whether.
You are currently On-Cycle or in PCT, or just finished PCT.
Or if you are on TRT or HRT.

And if you are currently On-Cycle, then which compounds and what are the Dosages.
And are you taking an AI..................................... JP

Totally natural status. Did some dbol and deca in year 2001.

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[stevesmi]

if you are natty those LH and FSH #'s are extremely low

means your pituitary glands aren't producing very much hormone

unfortunately that is today's society.. we are over stressed, we eat too much bad shit, and we don't exercise enough. and our HPTA takes a beating. also if you used steroids back in 2001 that tells me you would have been just 19 right? so you absolutely damaged your hpta at a young age. this is causing these issues

 

[muskate]

Your free test and total test are in the normal range but you LH and FSH are on the low side.

Your blood work isn't bad at all but I would consider using a good natural testosterone booster to try and bring those LH and FSH levels up.

Overall your blood work isn't terrible though. Everything is in the normal range. Your LH and FSH are just lower then optimal.

As for what natural test booster to use, one of the sponsors of the board n2bm.com makes a really good product called HCGenerate. Check that out.

 

[Mobster]

if you are natty those LH and FSH #'s are extremely low

means your pituitary glands aren't producing very much hormone

unfortunately that is today's society.. we are over stressed, we eat too much bad shit, and we don't exercise enough. and our HPTA takes a beating. also if you used steroids back in 2001 that tells me you would have been just 19 right? so you absolutely damaged your hpta at a young age. this is causing these issues

19 and on gear. I waited until I was 37 - zero issues.

 

[LevButlerov]

This is a contradictive blood work. On one hand, the testosterone levels are fine. However, your LH and FSH are indeed really low, and you need to bring them up. Sincerely, I don't quite get how can you have relatively high testosterone levels with extremely low LH and FSH....you need to address this issue.

 

[jp4355]

Seems you got your answer on your Bloodwork.
That early Cycle didn't do you any favors........................... JP
P.S.
Sorry, didn't get back to you yesterday, went to see an American Football Game.

 

[E60530d82]

well,had my first visit today with an androlog,the same as a endo but runs his own private clinic outside the official healthcare system.
He said my test levels are pretty much good,my estradiol was not high or low,hemoglobin is also pretty high but he said my lh and fsh is low. Since my testlevels are kind of high,only thing he could prescribe was clomid,maybe it could kick-start my own production,after some weeks on clomid he would like me to try welbutin or what its called..

I dont know,but i have all the classical symptoms of low t,most of the time no libido,no urge to masterbate and rarely nightly or morning erections,poor sleep and my energy is out in the middle of the day most of the time,hard time to consentrate,poor memory,i pack on fat around the belly and does not burn it off easily,despite eating clean unprossessed food for the last 3-4 years and one hour of high intensity walking in the woods everyday for the last 6-7 years. I also have poor recovery from lifting,have had three weeks off the weights and i feel fuller than in a long time,this tells me i recover poorly when lifting regulary right? Also joint and tendons acke like hell when lifting.
He would have prescribed me test if i was bordeline low on production,but i was not even close according to the values of the system.
Im very moody often,have anxiety and depression,have been this since the dbol and nandrolone-crash in 2001.

So i can forget trt treatment legally here i live. I have three packs of pfizer aromasine,80ml test enanthate,want to start my own trt and visit this endo in a year or two with low values,then i will be qualified for trt legally.

What do you guys think i should do? Is my free and total t so good,that its worth doing clomid to try and wake these testes up?

 

[E60530d82]

He also said shbg was a tad high. But he scratched his head on this one,i didnt seems to understand either why my test levels was this good,but lh and fsh was very low.

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edit: He,the endo didnt seems to understand either why my test levels was this good,but lh and fsh was very low.

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if you are natty those LH and FSH #'s are extremely low

means your pituitary glands aren't producing very much hormone

unfortunately that is today's society.. we are over stressed, we eat too much bad shit, and we don't exercise enough. and our HPTA takes a beating. also if you used steroids back in 2001 that tells me you would have been just 19 right? so you absolutely damaged your hpta at a young age. this is causing these issues

yes pretty sure i damaged hpta with the dbol and nandrolone crash. Never been the same since..

 

[E60530d82]

worth saying i have high p-tpo antimatter,its at 428 where max value is only 6. He the endo mentioned hasimoto in that context and said i should be taking levothyroxine,but nothing more was said about it.
I have read somewhere that antimatter mimics shbg and therfore raises shbg-value and actually binds some of the free test? maybe this is why i have symptoms of low t since some of the free is bound to shbg?
He said when antimatter is present it cant be reversed.

 

[E60530d82]

worth saying i have high p-tpo antimatter,its at 428 where max value is only 6. He the endo mentioned hasimoto in that context and said i should be taking levothyroxine,but nothing more was said about it.
I have read somewhere that antimatter mimics shbg and therfore raises shbg-value and actually binds some of the free test? maybe this is why i have symptoms of low t since some of the free is bound to shbg?
He said when antimatter is present it cant be reversed.

Antibodies for fakk sake,not antimatter lol ,black holes and shit ha!

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

You seem to have all the symptoms of low T. I don't like doctors always using numbers and not symptoms. You could try doing self-TRT and see how you respond. For some people it will make a major difference but for most it will just help them feel normal. The key is to be responsible and monitor yourself with blood work.

 

[E60530d82]

You seem to have all the symptoms of low T. I don't like doctors always using numbers and not symptoms. You could try doing self-TRT and see how you respond. For some people it will make a major difference but for most it will just help them feel normal. The key is to be responsible and monitor yourself with blood work.

Think i will go trt on my own and do bloods every 6 week the first six months. Thanks mb.

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[E60530d82]

Since lh and fsh is low,that should mean free t is too low,and that is why i have these low t-symptoms,right? but total t is good. The free t comes from the lh and fsh signaling,if signals are poor i get low free t,if normal or high signaling you will have a normal or high free t? im not sure,maybe not..total and free t is high on cycle despite shutdown? far out here?

 

[Mobster]

well,had my first visit today with an androlog,the same as a endo but runs his own private clinic outside the official healthcare system.
He said my test levels are pretty much good,my estradiol was not high or low,hemoglobin is also pretty high but he said my lh and fsh is low. Since my testlevels are kind of high,only thing he could prescribe was clomid,maybe it could kick-start my own production,after some weeks on clomid he would like me to try welbutin or what its called..

I dont know,but i have all the classical symptoms of low t,most of the time no libido,no urge to masterbate and rarely nightly or morning erections,poor sleep and my energy is out in the middle of the day most of the time,hard time to consentrate,poor memory,i pack on fat around the belly and does not burn it off easily,despite eating clean unprossessed food for the last 3-4 years and one hour of high intensity walking in the woods everyday for the last 6-7 years. I also have poor recovery from lifting,have had three weeks off the weights and i feel fuller than in a long time,this tells me i recover poorly when lifting regulary right? Also joint and tendons acke like hell when lifting.
He would have prescribed me test if i was bordeline low on production,but i was not even close according to the values of the system.
Im very moody often,have anxiety and depression,have been this since the dbol and nandrolone-crash in 2001.

So i can forget trt treatment legally here i live. I have three packs of pfizer aromasine,80ml test enanthate,want to start my own trt and visit this endo in a year or two with low values,then i will be qualified for trt legally.

What do you guys think i should do? Is my free and total t so good,that its worth doing clomid to try and wake these testes up?

That 'I don't know' was answered: you took gear when you was in your late teens.

 

[E60530d82]

That 'I don't know' was answered: you took gear when you was in your late teens.

yep mobster,the reason i have low t. thanks.

 

[stevesmi]

Since lh and fsh is low,that should mean free t is too low,and that is why i have these low t-symptoms,right? but total t is good. The free t comes from the lh and fsh signaling,if signals are poor i get low free t,if normal or high signaling you will have a normal or high free t? im not sure,maybe not..total and free t is high on cycle despite shutdown? far out here?

no SHBG being too high will cause that variance. you want to take something to bind with SHBG. i will suggest Hcgenerate ES which has ingredients that will bind to SHBG

 

[polarize12]

You seem to have all the symptoms of low T. I don't like doctors always using numbers and not symptoms. You could try doing self-TRT and see how you respond. For some people it will make a major difference but for most it will just help them feel normal. The key is to be responsible and monitor yourself with blood work.

This is an incredibly important point. Blood test values for testosterone can be a good indicator of what's going on in some, but 2 people with the same exact blood work could differ immensely in how they feel.

Reference ranges for testosterone, especially total testosterone, are huge. This means that the lower range of "normal" on blood work can be disastrously low for many people.

From personal experience, I can say that even with natural testosterone levels in "normal" range, you can feel weak, have low sex drive, and have all the classic symptoms of low T.

Unfortunately, many doctors do not understand this or just do not want to hear it.

 

[muskate]

Since lh and fsh is low,that should mean free t is too low,and that is why i have these low t-symptoms,right? but total t is good. The free t comes from the lh and fsh signaling,if signals are poor i get low free t,if normal or high signaling you will have a normal or high free t? im not sure,maybe not..total and free t is high on cycle despite shutdown? far out here?

It's a little bit more complicated then that. It has to do with sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG).

Check out this article on 3-4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran-divanil and it helps to lower SHBG. It's one of the active ingredients in HCGenerate from n2bm.com ->
https://www.evolutionary.org/3-4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran-divanil

3-4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran-divanil is pretty much the old supplement on the market that actually works to lower SHBG.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Free T is much more important than total T. This is where the SHBG conversation comes in. The guys did a good job explaining it above.

 

[E60530d82]

Free T is much more important than total T. This is where the SHBG conversation comes in. The guys did a good job explaining it above.

Yes,thanks.

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