Keto diet?

[playboytommy]

Came across a trainer today on Snapchat talking about Keto Diets, my girlfriend’s done it before to get rid of bloating, was just curious to see how you guys feel about it.
So thoughts on Keto?

Also just ordered ZPHC Test C from DS, can’t wait!

 

[P0N]

It will work in the short term, but it is unhealthy in the long term. I prefer a more sustainable diet myself.

 

[dylangemelli]

nice on the zphc! my favorite brand...


im not a big fan of keto... i never feel its wise to completely cut out such an important macro like carbs... your body is not meant to just deprive it completely like that and i know some people have done well with it , but its just not something thats healthy long term in my view... some do disagree but thats how i feel..

 

[stevesmi]

there is no such thing as keto diet especially the way it is presented on social media atleast. the only way to get into ketosis is water fasting. that is it

the premise behind keto dieting is high fat foods do not illicit insulin spikes. this is correct and a great way to eat in today's world of obesity and too much food. in fact i a promoter of high NATURAL fat diets. i'm talking unrefined coconut oil, avocado, FATTY cuts of meat, raw nuts, pastured eggs etc. however what is promoted as keto diet that you see out there (eating at chipotle, high meat diet (muscle parts of animals, lean meats, etc, and thking you can get a big mac from mcdonalds and take off the bun) is 100% incorrect

keto diet can be a great diet, just don't follow what people are saying is considered keto. it is absurd as paleo diet pushers claiming that wine and chipotle is paleo. they took a great diet and ruined it on ignorance

i am a promoter of a natural organic whole food diet. this means nuts, fruit, veggies, fatty meats. eating in a 0-4 hour window. no more than 3 total meals a day, preferably 0-2. THAT is how you should be eating. and drink good quality spring water. that is it.

 

[awm1981]

I would do fasting waaaaaaay before even attempting Keto.

 

[awm1981]

there is no such thing as keto diet especially the way it is presented on social media atleast. the only way to get into ketosis is water fasting. that is it

the premise behind keto dieting is high fat foods do not illicit insulin spikes. this is correct and a great way to eat in today's world of obesity and too much food. in fact i a promoter of high NATURAL fat diets. i'm talking unrefined coconut oil, avocado, FATTY cuts of meat, raw nuts, pastured eggs etc. however what is promoted as keto diet that you see out there (eating at chipotle, high meat diet (muscle parts of animals, lean meats, etc, and thking you can get a big mac from mcdonalds and take off the bun) is 100% incorrect

keto diet can be a great diet, just don't follow what people are saying is considered keto. it is absurd as paleo diet pushers claiming that wine and chipotle is paleo. they took a great diet and ruined it on ignorance

i am a promoter of a natural organic whole food diet. this means nuts, fruit, veggies, fatty meats. eating in a 0-4 hour window. no more than 3 total meals a day, preferably 0-2. THAT is how you should be eating. and drink good quality spring water. that is it.

Also Steve its funny I have a buddy who everytime he tries to lose weight for the summer turns to atkins/keto and he thinks eating 8 full fat hot dogs is good for you LOL. He also literally does the same as you mentioned above. With order a fatty greasy burger with no buns like WTF? Crazy.....and he wonders why hes still fat.

 

[ph734k]

...unrefined coconut oil, avocado, FATTY cuts of meat, raw nuts, pastured eggs etc...

These are all good in moderation, sat far has its place, but aren’t you concerned with these foods high in saturated fats which in turn could raise LDL? It’s my understanding those using AAS are already at risk of increased LDL and reduction of HDL should refrain from ingestion too much sat fat, no?

 

[stevesmi]

Also Steve its funny I have a buddy who everytime he tries to lose weight for the summer turns to atkins/keto and he thinks eating 8 full fat hot dogs is good for you LOL. He also literally does the same as you mentioned above. With order a fatty greasy burger with no buns like WTF? Crazy.....and he wonders why hes still fat.

It’s because he listens to those douches on Instagram who say a hot dog is keto

Even eating lettuce will kick a person out of keto. So imagine a processed hot dog

Everyone should read a good nutrition book to understand how different foods partition differently and stop getting their info from Instagram fitness celebrities lol

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These are all good in moderation, sat far has its place, but aren’t you concerned with these foods high in saturated fats which in turn could raise LDL? It’s my understanding those using AAS are already at risk of increased LDL and reduction of HDL should refrain from ingestion too much sat fat, no?

That is an absolute myth. Natural fats will help with cholesterol and boost heart health. People in blue zones have zero issues with obesity, diabetes, heart etc and eat high fat natural diets. Americans get little to no good fats in their diets and have horrible health. Honestly most people on this forum actually get literally zero good fats. But get a ton of sugar. They been attacking fat for years to steer people to sugar. Hard for me to fight billions from food companies but I try my best on here

 

[stevesmi]

Okay so check this out guys and see if this makes sense. If it doesn’t then log off this forum and go read a nutrition book. I can suggest Jason fung his books are excellent

A spoonful of unrefined coconut oil has 130 calories. Out of that 130 100% of it are pure fat. Now if you take a spoonful of it you are getting pure fat right? That 130 calories will NOT cause an insulin spike in the body. Meaning you won’t store fat. You won’t increase insulin resistance. And you won’t attract disease. Same thing with meat. Eat the fat or bone marrow it will partition different than eating the muscle part of the animal.

Now the macro and calorie counters won’t like this but it is the truth. This is why natural fats are great and why counting macros and calories is so woefully counter productive.

 

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[MelissaCollins]

Basically you eat as few carbohydrates as possible so your body burns fat instead of glycogen. You eat more fat for energy and don't go overboard on the protein. You tend to eat less food because the fat and protein make you feel fuller for longer.

Does it work? It's becoming more and more popular because it works quite fast compared to other diets.

Is it safe? For the most part it seems safe? I don't think there's been much long-term research on it, but from what I can tell the biggest issues are caused by not following the diet properly (Too much protein, not enough fat. Not keeping hydrated, etc.).

 

[ElevenBravo77]

I know people who have not only lost weight but improved their overall health on keto.

The problem is many people eat a triple bacon cheese burger with no bun for lunch every day. It may technically be keto but it is anything but healthy.

Red meat in moderation, eggs, avocado, fish, nuts, healthy oils, etc.. are much better. I have had great luck in the past but I do like carbs so for me it isn't sustainable. And to be honest I don't know that it is truly healthy long term.

I think it's a great tool for weight/fat loss and as long as you continue to eat clean natural foods after reintroducing carbs to your diet you should be able to keep the weight off.

I know several people who eat keto once or twice a year for a few months when they want to lean out. I still do it myself ocassionally, the first week is a little rough but after that I feel amazing.

 

[MelissaCollins]

I know people who have not only lost weight but improved their overall health on keto.

This kind of concerns me. Because I have read that some people do not. So, in the context of keto being beneficial for Alzheimer’s and other mental problems.

 

[stevesmi]

This kind of concerns me. Because I have read that some people do not. So, in the context of keto being beneficial for Alzheimer’s and other mental problems.

well if keto is done correctly it is one of the healthiest diets you can do. the problem as i allude to all the time is what is called keto in today's fitness world is just a no carb diet. it is not keto at all

 

[ElevenBravo77]

This kind of concerns me. Because I have read that some people do not. So, in the context of keto being beneficial for Alzheimer’s and other mental problems.

As Steve mentioned it must be done correctly to be healthy. If you eat out all the time you will be getting low grade food and loads of sodium. And not all fats are good for you in abundance. Its the mentality of "I can eat whatever I want as long as I don't eat carbs" that makes keto dangerous.

I would also advise getting blood work and visiting your doctor regularly any time you make a drastic change like removing a key nutrient from your diet. The people I mentioned above have shown overall improvement in body fat, lipid profile, organ function, etc...all verified by lab and blood work through their physician

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also just like with any diet or lifestyle change, any genetic or pre-existing conditions should be taken into account

 

[nelson montana]

A new name for an old fad diet.

 

[stevesmi]

I suggest reading Jason fungs books on how to properly do keto

 

[ElevenBravo77]

I suggest reading Jason fungs books on how to properly do keto

I've read some of his books on keto and fasting. Very informative