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Name zack
age 21
things I plan to take
Anavar 20mg
TRT C 200-300mg
Will start with only anavar first
@HarleyGuy
age 21
things I plan to take
Anavar 20mg
TRT C 200-300mg
Will start with only anavar first
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thanks for starting your log
@zack7629 please share some pics of you with your face blurred so we can see your base and understand you.
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You've come to right place, lots of experienced heads here, like myself
Thanks for starting your log @zack7629. You can use my template as per our DM's but start first with some pics of your base physique like you see others' avatars on here. This will help us know where you're at with your physique to get us started for you. Then you can ask again everything we've discussed in DM's once you've posted all your info as well as diet/training/supplements, etc that you plan to use or you can let us guide you.
Have a look at my new log in my signature down below this. I use a simple copy and paste for my logs except i fill out the update section each day. Feel free to steal the format or parts of it.
If your not tracking macros yet, i recommend MyFitnessPal. The screenshots in my log are from the app. Just make sure to choose cooked entries for meat when logging macros as meat loses around 25% weight from cooking.
Far too young and esp so for TRT
That's the thing I've been trying to explain to him in DM's that "TRT" isn't the same as a "cycle". 300 migs is a cycle so he needs to know that isn't "TRT". He's very new and also too young imo but he's wanting to press on regardless.
TRT at 21? okay but you will need to be on forever. that is a big commitment. imagine pinning yourself once a week forever from the age of 21. its pretty sucky
unless you have a legit medical reason for doing this, then why not just cycle steroids short 4-6 weeks at a time to conserve your hpta. i mean i wouldn't use steroids till later but that would be smarter
unless you have a legit medical reason for doing this, then why not just cycle steroids short 4-6 weeks at a time to conserve your hpta. i mean i wouldn't use steroids till later but that would be smarter
Agreed. I should invite you all into our DM's LOL.
@zack7629 how long did you want to run the 300mgs of TestC?
i mean if he is aware he will blowout his hpta and likely never be able to have kids then that is his problem
when he gets 30-35 and is dating and the girls asks him about having kids and he tells her 'i've been on trt for a decade and can't have kids' he will understand why she never texts him back after the date.
It's like a perma future ghosting protocol from women that one inflicts on themselves LOL
I wish I did that and I was 40!
I’ve dated women who already have kids, can’t have more, and are totally turned off by my hormone use. One even, didn’t insist that I stop, but she insisted I would be better off if I stop. Which is just simply not true, it had already been three years and I was 43. I could have stopped. And been absolutely miserable for who knows how long. But this is pretty common.It's like a perma future ghosting protocol from women that one inflicts on themselves LOL
Sure ill post todaythanks for starting your log
Thanks been thinking about it for a while and found this site
Is there anything you would recommend, like higher doses for cycle
Search for "fertility" in the search bar, take a good long read
heard from who?
when you use anabolics it shuts down your HPTA kaboom. it fries it especially at your age. even 1 12 week cycle can fry your balls for life
So what would you recommend I use i want to build lean muscle fast
We need to see what you’re working with first. Diet, workout routine, progress pictures.
If you are trying to go from zero to hero, you’re not going to get the answers you’re fishing for here.
Fella I know, he was engaged to the sister of a woman I dated. He’s a body builder. He looks fantastic, has won local shows. Been juicing since he was 22. She left him because he failed for a year to impregnate her. I never pressed for details, but I do know she was finding needles and he had been behaving oddly. I knew him to be a really cool dude. She’s hot and mean just like her sister hahaha. It would have been less than eight years that he’d been on at that point. He’s not yet 40
Get dialed in on your log, run some reta to cut a bit while dialing in. The brothers here can give better advice with the whole picture to look at. And if you end up still hell bent on running cycles at this age, they can offer safer suggestions that are suitable for you.
at your age you need to dial in
1. diet
2. sleep
3. proper training
4. mental strength/well being
i was a high school weight lifting coach /judge so i know exactly how you guys think. i get it, life ends at 25 for you. but the reality is you need to focus on building muscle memory and being consistent right now.
everyone regardless of age wants to 'take' or 'use' something. but the truth is those 4 things above are the real things you need to work on
i can easily sit here and sell you this or that supplement or steroid. that is what you are dealing with everytime you go on social media. everyone is selling something or another to make a buck. so you are swamped with that
down the line once you dial in the fundamentals THEN you can use these PED's to take your shit to the next level and you will benefit greatly.
wait till 25 to use steroids IMO. i waited until i was 28/29 and wish i had waited.
if i was single and dating women in their mid to late 30's right now and i told them i had no sperm i would not get a return call. that is just how it is. women want options and its a huge turn off. the funny thing i am in my mid 40's and still not even on TRT. so no need for a 21 year old to do it SMH
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perfect waiting
1. A great clean diet high in protein
2. Hard training
3. Good supplementation
4. Proper sleep
5. Then, maybe steroids.
Can we focus this log you've started on #1-#4 before we get you dialed on (and if you need) steroids first.
Also, still waiting on pictures to approve your log.
You should also put all the questions we discuss each day into your log here too.
Its been a minute eh? Feel free to click my log in my signature below and steal format or ideas. @HarleyGuy log is detailed as hell so lots to steal there but dont feel like it has to be anywhere near that detailed.
ok
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perfect please do
Would u know how to upload images im trying to post and cant find out how to upload is there a way to take the pick on here or i need to take it on my phone than uplaodperfect please do
Name zachary
Age: 21, soon 22
From: Canada
Things I plan to take
TRT C 250- 300 mg (Not starting this for a few months due to i need bloodwork done first). Plan is 12-19 weekes prob 12, where I'm new
I'll upload pics soon, today or tmr trying to learn how to connect my phone to my pc
If anyone has good abs/back workouts, would love to hear
Plan to use TRT from https://oxygenpharmcanada.is/ unless someone has better recommendations
Age: 21, soon 22
From: Canada
Things I plan to take
TRT C 250- 300 mg (Not starting this for a few months due to i need bloodwork done first). Plan is 12-19 weekes prob 12, where I'm new
I'll upload pics soon, today or tmr trying to learn how to connect my phone to my pc
If anyone has good abs/back workouts, would love to hear
Plan to use TRT from https://oxygenpharmcanada.is/ unless someone has better recommendations
Youll see the attach files button like so on phone, you can then upload up to 10 images. You can insert them in post or leave attached like image 3
Theres also the image insert button at the upper portion lile in image 4. You can drag and drop on pc or tap on mobile.
If you cant figure out how to connect phone with pc, you can make the post on mobile or i email myself the photos and opwn it on my pc.
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See it, thank you so muchYou can add the pic as attachment to the post, bottom left of the reply do you see it?
I'll upload here in about an hour, need to take some fresh pics ill start taking them nowdo i just uplaod the image or do i add things also like what im taking im new lol but i got the image ready to send @LevButlerov
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See it, thank you so much
start by just uploading your picture face blurred
@zack7629 we can upload rest later
I think you're confusing the term "TRT" with a "Steroid cycle". TRT is when you have naturally low testosterone and stands for Testosterone Replacement Therapy. A cycle is what you plan on doing at 300mg/week. TRT is usually 100-125 (max 150mg) per week.
You're best bet is to stick to @OxygenPharm they are our GOLD Tier supplier and if that's your instinct you can't go wrong with OxygenPharm
This is a steroid cycle. We'll know more if you need TRT once you do bloodwork
Your calories are way too low. Please post everything you eat for a couple days and use a food tracker app
Please get it done ASAP so we can help you out better
One of our Chairmen @Shakey is really good with new members here he can help you out. @LevButlerov too you can count on.
Thanks for posting your base physique pics you're in our mod queue for log approval.
Please post your bloodwork results here when you get the results
You can insert as thumbnail for a smaller pic that you can change the size of.
You should download MyFitnessPal on you phone i highly recommend it. The above is a screen shot of my diet tracking. Tracking your macros is a game changer brother and its a must if you want to get shredded.
With MyFitnessPal (MFP) you can track food, water, weight, cardio and workout routines.
Heres my last log update with my workout. Feel free to steal the format, i suggest a copy and paste from a note pad on phone or pc for the sections thatll repeat in each update. With MFP you can upload screenshots of you macros and workout without needing to type it out again.
As @HarleyGuy mentioned, if 4 eggs, and either rice or chicken for next 2 meals is you daily diet your most likely well below the nutrition needed to maintain muscle mass while cutting bodyfat. Your best bet is a proper diet with cardio to burn off the extra.
For now add in 2 slices of whole wheat or multigrain toast with the eggs or a side of oatmeal for carbs and your meals of chicken or rice, have both chicken with rice. Do you have a food scale? Aim for 200g chicken + 200g rice for the meals if sustainable and from there we can tweak your diet more.
yeah i mean cycle
ok ill download that now. Should I get a scale for food would it help
Yes definitely and they are cheap on amazon.
No problem bro. Feel free to DM me on here if you got questions of just tag me like this. @Shakey
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ok thanks. Also, would you know what's better between Test C and E trying to learn more, but Google doesn't help much. Also, if I'm sick but it's not bad at all, should I still lift? I saw you were also using OxygenPharm
For test c and e, the difference is the ester half life. Test cypionate has a half life of around 7-8 days and test enanthate is around 5-7. They both do the same thing, just the different half life because of the ester.
Where ester choice comes in is how often you plan on injecting. Because they are so close in half life both are frequently interchanged with each other. You can use both for weekly, twice weekly, every 3 days(E3D) , every other day (EOD) amd daily injections.
You can still lift if lightly sick, but consider a de-load where you lift lighter to just get some exercise in or take an extra day of rest. No shame in resting up when sick as long as you get back on the saddle when your better.
Yes, ive been sponsored by @OxygenPharm amd his gear has been excellent. Im currently running his T-400, Deca, EQ and Cialis. I have bloodwork next week that ill be posting to prove the effectiveness of the gear. Hes got a great sale on as well as good prices. Check his retatrutide out. Good price for the 20mg vial.
ok, thanks so much for all the help. I'm still really new to all this
No worries bro. Id like to give you the same advice i was given when i joined EVO. Start a GLP like Retatrutide and cut bodyfat with a proper diet and cardio before starting a cycle. Higher bodyfat % leads to higher aromatization (test being converted to estrogen). If your bloodwork comes back with low test, starting trt at a dose around 100-150mg would do you good but id hold off on the cycle levels of 250mg+. Its better to cut some fat first trust me, its exactly what i did. I was 31% body fat and im glad i cut to around 15% or so before starting my cycle.
Hey brother, check out this log
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-and-anavar-first-cycle-log.111015/
That user is the same age as you.
If you dont already have your workouts and diet nailed down, maybe consider a coach. Proper diet and training will give you a much better chance of achieving your goals.
Diet>training>peds
If the first two aren't on point, you're only wasting time and money by adding in peds.
And great advice from @Shakey , cut first
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-and-anavar-first-cycle-log.111015/
That user is the same age as you.
If you dont already have your workouts and diet nailed down, maybe consider a coach. Proper diet and training will give you a much better chance of achieving your goals.
Diet>training>peds
If the first two aren't on point, you're only wasting time and money by adding in peds.
And great advice from @Shakey , cut first
I don't want to be "that guy" but looking at this, I would honestly say you should hit the weights and get in some proper knowledge of lifting, nutrition and supplementation before you even pick up a needle to pin yourself with anything.
That being said, if you are to do anything (Roid related), TRT is NOT it, go with smaller roid cycles, Anavar sure, but maybe just a 6 weeks cycle and then later on some Test C or even sustanon but only a small 6-8 week (AT MAX 250mg per week cycle). I would still, however, not recommend it.
get your nutrition and supplementation right, and train hard.
That's all I have to say here.
Building on what my brother said, the diet and lifestyle are the absolute foundation for later PED use.
Depending on the outcome of your bloods and where your hormones are naturally, a non-steroidal cutting cycle with an emphasis on learning nutritional cornerstones and exercise discipline in regards to the dreaded cardio could be a good start. I’ve used clenbeuterol “clen” on and off for years in cutting cycles and find it to be great for slow, steady fat loss, energy boost for the workouts (taken AM PWO) and won’t impact your hormones or need injections. Monitor your BP and ensure you are drinking sufficient fluids. Supplemental vitamins like Taurine will minimize cramping. Start low dose like half a tablet 25mcg and go from there @LevButlerov can provide guidance on good clen practice
Either way, welcome to the journey new brother, EVO is happy to have you
Thanks for the info imma wait a little before hopping on Anyway, maybe like a month from now, but if I were to do anything, it would prob be Test, just because it's already in my body anyway only reason I want to is to get bigger faster might only do 1 or 2 cycles see how it goes but i am still going to try and get as lean as I can before hoping on and diet rightBuilding on what my brother said, the diet and lifestyle are the absolute foundation for later PED use.
Depending on the outcome of your bloods and where your hormones are naturally, a non-steroidal cutting cycle with an emphasis on learning nutritional cornerstones and exercise discipline in regards to the dreaded cardio could be a good start. I’ve used clenbeuterol “clen” on and off for years in cutting cycles and find it to be great for slow, steady fat loss, energy boost for the workouts (taken AM PWO) and won’t impact your hormones or need injections. Monitor your BP and ensure you are drinking sufficient fluids. Supplemental vitamins like Taurine will minimize cramping. Start low dose like half a tablet 25mcg and go from there @LevButlerov can provide guidance on good clen practice
Either way, welcome to the journey new brother, EVO is happy to have you
Fitness and strength is a marathon, not a sprint. I assume you want to be jacked well into your later years?
There is nothing gained from taking shortcuts or trying to rush things. If you take the time now to do things properly, you will get the results you want.
Doing a cut now will teach you so much about diet and training, good luck!
That's what I'm doing before hopping on, trying to get lean making sure everything is done safe
I don't advise this.
ok, any reason why? Just asking to know more
I think best advice for you on here can be summed up with what @BritishCanadian posted as quoted below. I'd even put learning about PCT before you begin learning about the last one which is PEDs. If you still want to have kids and take care of your HPTA get learned on PCT and have a plan for after.
What would u say is best? Is there anywhere to read up? Also, I already know a little. Also, the kids part I heard there is a really small chance it happens
See my response above. Let's get your log going with diet, training and supplements first before discussing what comes after that.
1. PCT
2. Diet/Supplements
3. Training
4. Steroids
Importance in that order
You heard?
Testosterone cycle 250mg as your first cycle once you get your diet, supplement and training all set up and under way.
Take a look at my supplements in my log and focus on the digestive aids: 2026 Cycle Log - Team US-Pharmacies
If you're looking for one "all in one" supplement I recommend N2Guard, you can get it here
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard/It will help if you're much more active on your log especially leading up to running a cycle at your age and that we get everything else in check first.
Is costco an option for you? Not sure what country your in, but generally for supplements i find costco has great pricing for the amount you get.
Kirkland signature multivitamin for men
- take 4 daily, 2 in the am and 2 in the pm
Kirkland signature fish oil - 1300mg (450mg EPA / 300mg DHA) - take 4 daily
Getting the Vitamin c and d supplements there are good as well.
When you take a GLP like retatrutide, organic psyllium husk will help if you get the runs or constipation. It helps with both.
i'm in a small town don't have one here sadly but i been getting all my things from here https://revolution-nutrition.com/ there protaine tastes soo good
Nice i have revolution cookies n cream and vanilla cake. Are you in canada? Costco.ca has a online deal on for 2 5lb bags for $100 if you have a friend or family with a membership to buy online for you it mails with free shipping.
I got another site for cheap supps if your in canada as well.
I'm in Canada, also, the cookies and cream was really good. I tried it last time, but I think the coffee and cookie duo ice cream is my fav. Also, I don't know anyone sadly, I'm not too close with the fam. We prob talk every 5 months
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