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So bit of a back story.

Used to compete and use PEDs, test, and 19nors.

Last few years transitioned to coming off, spent couple years off but natural levels never came up so started TRT, after 2 years with docs, levels were still at low levels (9.2nmol/L & 208pmol/L with E2 at 40pmol) but doc said they happy even though libido and drive we’re still at lows.

Have been adding little extra on my behalf to see results.

Probably added a little too much at 200mg per week split over 3x pins a week.

Which resulted in 50.3 nmol and 1650nmol with my E2 being bit high at 223pmol. Which was run for 8 or so weeks.

Have dropped it back to 180mg of test a week after E2 being a bit high.

But my libido/drive still feeling low. No drive myself for sex, but can go if partner wants to go.

Have added in arimidex at 0.25mg x 2 per week. This is only recent, but thought I’d check in here and see if anyone had any other thoughts/opinions/things to look into for still having low drive/libido.

Also FYI DHT was previously tested back when I was on docs only TRT which was androforte. DHT was high at 5.65nmol so I was thinking Proviron won’t be of any aid.

Cheers in advance for the help all!
 
Miketraining56 said:
So bit of a back story.

Used to compete and use PEDs, test, and 19nors.

Last few years transitioned to coming off, spent couple years off but natural levels never came up so started TRT, after 2 years with docs, levels were still at low levels (9.2nmol/L & 208pmol/L with E2 at 40pmol) but doc said they happy even though libido and drive we’re still at lows.

Have been adding little extra on my behalf to see results.

Probably added a little too much at 200mg per week split over 3x pins a week.

Which resulted in 50.3 nmol and 1650nmol with my E2 being bit high at 223pmol. Which was run for 8 or so weeks.

Have dropped it back to 180mg of test a week after E2 being a bit high.

But my libido/drive still feeling low. No drive myself for sex, but can go if partner wants to go.

Have added in arimidex at 0.25mg x 2 per week. This is only recent, but thought I’d check in here and see if anyone had any other thoughts/opinions/things to look into for still having low drive/libido.

Also FYI DHT was previously tested back when I was on docs only TRT which was androforte. DHT was high at 5.65nmol so I was thinking Proviron won’t be of any aid.

Cheers in advance for the help all!
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I need a lot more data to be able to give a better input.

I'm missing Prolactin, SHBG, current DHT, TSH/fT4/fT3, cortisol AM, DHEA-S, hematocrit

Your Proviron view is half wrong, proviron libido effect is mostly about SHBG displacement, not DHT elevation. If your SHBG is mid-to-high, Proviron at 25-50mg can help libido even with elevated DHT. If SHBG is low then Proviron is the wrong call.

I would pull a panel in about 2-4 weeks after you started adjusting your AI/TRT dosage then check the numbers again.

For now I would suggest Cialis 5mg daily that should get your libido up while you pull the panel to find the underlaying issue.
 
bss said:
I need a lot more data to be able to give a better input.

I'm missing Prolactin, SHBG, current DHT, TSH/fT4/fT3, cortisol AM, DHEA-S, hematocrit

Your Proviron view is half wrong, proviron libido effect is mostly about SHBG displacement, not DHT elevation. If your SHBG is mid-to-high, Proviron at 25-50mg can help libido even with elevated DHT. If SHBG is low then Proviron is the wrong call.

I would pull a panel in about 2-4 weeks after you started adjusting your AI/TRT dosage then check the numbers again.

For now I would suggest Cialis 5mg daily that should get your libido up while you pull the panel to find the underlaying issue.
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Good information

So many people are quick to add proviron without knowing their SHBG.

If could he sending it to the floor and making things worse.

I personally split my injections into daily micro injections. I find this gives me the most stable levels, keeps SHBG in range and even often helps keep my estrogen in range.

You can just draw up your weekly dose and backfill it into 7 insulin needles (trying to be as even as possible, it’s not that big of a deal)
 
Miketraining56 said:
So bit of a back story.

Used to compete and use PEDs, test, and 19nors.

Last few years transitioned to coming off, spent couple years off but natural levels never came up so started TRT, after 2 years with docs, levels were still at low levels (9.2nmol/L & 208pmol/L with E2 at 40pmol) but doc said they happy even though libido and drive we’re still at lows.

Have been adding little extra on my behalf to see results.

Probably added a little too much at 200mg per week split over 3x pins a week.

Which resulted in 50.3 nmol and 1650nmol with my E2 being bit high at 223pmol. Which was run for 8 or so weeks.

Have dropped it back to 180mg of test a week after E2 being a bit high.

But my libido/drive still feeling low. No drive myself for sex, but can go if partner wants to go.

Have added in arimidex at 0.25mg x 2 per week. This is only recent, but thought I’d check in here and see if anyone had any other thoughts/opinions/things to look into for still having low drive/libido.

Also FYI DHT was previously tested back when I was on docs only TRT which was androforte. DHT was high at 5.65nmol so I was thinking Proviron won’t be of any aid.

Cheers in advance for the help all!
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welcome to the EVO family :D @Miketraining56
You’re changing doses and AI based on feelings and one set of labs, and that’s exactly why libido gets weird. Please share your blood work here.
E2 at 223 explains some of it, but dropping to 180 and adding Arimidex without a pattern can overshoot and still cause issues.

Get a proper TRT log up now with weekly dose and pin days, AI timing, bodyweight, calories and macros, sleep, BP, training, and full labs including e2, prolactin, SHBG, free T so the EVO family can dial libido back in instead of guessing. :D 15min of your time to start.


HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?
  • Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
  • Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
  • The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
  • Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
  • Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
  • It will take 15-20 minutes max.
  • We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
  • Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My TRT Training Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z
 
bss said:
I need a lot more data to be able to give a better input.

I'm missing Prolactin, SHBG, current DHT, TSH/fT4/fT3, cortisol AM, DHEA-S, hematocrit

Your Proviron view is half wrong, proviron libido effect is mostly about SHBG displacement, not DHT elevation. If your SHBG is mid-to-high, Proviron at 25-50mg can help libido even with elevated DHT. If SHBG is low then Proviron is the wrong call.

I would pull a panel in about 2-4 weeks after you started adjusting your AI/TRT dosage then check the numbers again.

For now I would suggest Cialis 5mg daily that should get your libido up while you pull the panel to find the underlaying issue.
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Sorry should have put more into it.

Original ones when I was just doing androforte with doc
SHBG - 25
Prolactin - 248
DHEA - 4.7
Hemocrit - 0.49

I didn’t collect the rest but will with next tests in 3-4 weeks.

And my last ones done just recently
SHBG - 20

Also I forgot to mention already on cialis at 5mg.

Truly appreciate the help so far boys! Wish I had of found community like this back in the competing days!
 
Miketraining56 said:
Sorry should have put more into it.

Original ones when I was just doing androforte with doc
SHBG - 25
Prolactin - 248
DHEA - 4.7
Hemocrit - 0.49

I didn’t collect the rest but will with next tests in 3-4 weeks.

And my last ones done just recently
SHBG - 20

Also I forgot to mention already on cialis at 5mg.

Truly appreciate the help so far boys! Wish I had of found community like this back in the competing days!
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Prolactin 248 jumps out as your likely libido blocker mate, high end of the range and for an ex-19nor user thats exactly where to look first. Worth pulling it again on the next panel with a sensitive assay and if it stays up caber 0.25mg 2x/wk Mon/Thu clears it within 4-6 weeks have a look at more ways to improve it here https://www.evolutionary.org.org/markers/hormones/prolactin

Your SHBG dropping from 25 to 20 confirms Proviron is off the table, free T is already running high on 180mg and Proviron would crash SHBG further. @Nasser1997o2 daily micro-dose split is a smarter play, can't be a bit too much to deal with depending on your routine but pinning the 180mg divided into 7 insulin pins daily and SHBG stabilises, E2 stays flatter, libido often lifts on its own just from level stability.

Hematocrit 0.49 is upper normal but with exogenous test might creep up have a look at how to manage it here https://www.evolutionary.org.org/markers/haematology/haematocrit

Good you're already on cialis 5mg daily thats the right floor.

Request prolactin SHBG DHT and sensitive E2 on the next panel in 3-4 weeks and youll have the full picture.

Good luck brother!
 
LevButlerov said:
welcome to the EVO family :D @Miketraining56
You’re changing doses and AI based on feelings and one set of labs, and that’s exactly why libido gets weird. Please share your blood work here.
E2 at 223 explains some of it, but dropping to 180 and adding Arimidex without a pattern can overshoot and still cause issues.

Get a proper TRT log up now with weekly dose and pin days, AI timing, bodyweight, calories and macros, sleep, BP, training, and full labs including e2, prolactin, SHBG, free T so the EVO family can dial libido back in instead of guessing. :D 15min of your time to start.


HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?
  • Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
  • Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
  • The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
  • Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
  • Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
  • It will take 15-20 minutes max.
  • We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
  • Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My TRT Training Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z
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Please also consider this 👆 so we can help you going forward 👌
 
Miketraining56 said:
So bit of a back story.

Used to compete and use PEDs, test, and 19nors.

Last few years transitioned to coming off, spent couple years off but natural levels never came up so started TRT, after 2 years with docs, levels were still at low levels (9.2nmol/L & 208pmol/L with E2 at 40pmol) but doc said they happy even though libido and drive we’re still at lows.

Have been adding little extra on my behalf to see results.

Probably added a little too much at 200mg per week split over 3x pins a week.

Which resulted in 50.3 nmol and 1650nmol with my E2 being bit high at 223pmol. Which was run for 8 or so weeks.

Have dropped it back to 180mg of test a week after E2 being a bit high.

But my libido/drive still feeling low. No drive myself for sex, but can go if partner wants to go.

Have added in arimidex at 0.25mg x 2 per week. This is only recent, but thought I’d check in here and see if anyone had any other thoughts/opinions/things to look into for still having low drive/libido.

Also FYI DHT was previously tested back when I was on docs only TRT which was androforte. DHT was high at 5.65nmol so I was thinking Proviron won’t be of any aid.

Cheers in advance for the help all!
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I'll take a different approach to this. A lot of things can be happening here. Hell you could be bored with your partner, you could be bored with the sex, you could just be getting older. There are lots of different factors involved.
 
Miketraining56 said:
So bit of a back story.

Used to compete and use PEDs, test, and 19nors.

Last few years transitioned to coming off, spent couple years off but natural levels never came up so started TRT, after 2 years with docs, levels were still at low levels (9.2nmol/L & 208pmol/L with E2 at 40pmol) but doc said they happy even though libido and drive we’re still at lows.

Have been adding little extra on my behalf to see results.

Probably added a little too much at 200mg per week split over 3x pins a week.

Which resulted in 50.3 nmol and 1650nmol with my E2 being bit high at 223pmol. Which was run for 8 or so weeks.

Have dropped it back to 180mg of test a week after E2 being a bit high.

But my libido/drive still feeling low. No drive myself for sex, but can go if partner wants to go.

Have added in arimidex at 0.25mg x 2 per week. This is only recent, but thought I’d check in here and see if anyone had any other thoughts/opinions/things to look into for still having low drive/libido.

Also FYI DHT was previously tested back when I was on docs only TRT which was androforte. DHT was high at 5.65nmol so I was thinking Proviron won’t be of any aid.

Cheers in advance for the help all!
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Bros, maybe it's a confidence thing. Maybe adding in some Cialis or Viagra will give you more confidence.
 
Miketraining56 said:
So bit of a back story.

Used to compete and use PEDs, test, and 19nors.

Last few years transitioned to coming off, spent couple years off but natural levels never came up so started TRT, after 2 years with docs, levels were still at low levels (9.2nmol/L & 208pmol/L with E2 at 40pmol) but doc said they happy even though libido and drive we’re still at lows.

Have been adding little extra on my behalf to see results.

Probably added a little too much at 200mg per week split over 3x pins a week.

Which resulted in 50.3 nmol and 1650nmol with my E2 being bit high at 223pmol. Which was run for 8 or so weeks.

Have dropped it back to 180mg of test a week after E2 being a bit high.

But my libido/drive still feeling low. No drive myself for sex, but can go if partner wants to go.

Have added in arimidex at 0.25mg x 2 per week. This is only recent, but thought I’d check in here and see if anyone had any other thoughts/opinions/things to look into for still having low drive/libido.

Also FYI DHT was previously tested back when I was on docs only TRT which was androforte. DHT was high at 5.65nmol so I was thinking Proviron won’t be of any aid.

Cheers in advance for the help all!
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When you mess around with your hormones, sometimes things can be off. Some people react better to low DHT, high DHT, high estrogen, low estrogen. It's all about balancing things out.
 
Miketraining56 said:
So bit of a back story.

Used to compete and use PEDs, test, and 19nors.

Last few years transitioned to coming off, spent couple years off but natural levels never came up so started TRT, after 2 years with docs, levels were still at low levels (9.2nmol/L & 208pmol/L with E2 at 40pmol) but doc said they happy even though libido and drive we’re still at lows.

Have been adding little extra on my behalf to see results.

Probably added a little too much at 200mg per week split over 3x pins a week.

Which resulted in 50.3 nmol and 1650nmol with my E2 being bit high at 223pmol. Which was run for 8 or so weeks.

Have dropped it back to 180mg of test a week after E2 being a bit high.

But my libido/drive still feeling low. No drive myself for sex, but can go if partner wants to go.

Have added in arimidex at 0.25mg x 2 per week. This is only recent, but thought I’d check in here and see if anyone had any other thoughts/opinions/things to look into for still having low drive/libido.

Also FYI DHT was previously tested back when I was on docs only TRT which was androforte. DHT was high at 5.65nmol so I was thinking Proviron won’t be of any aid.

Cheers in advance for the help all!
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A lot of times people are under the impression that hormones can be good for libido. Sometimes they are and sometimes they aren't. Everybody is a little bit different and every situation is different. I would definitely log your experience and maybe there's something that can change
 
Miketraining56 said:
So bit of a back story.

Used to compete and use PEDs, test, and 19nors.

Last few years transitioned to coming off, spent couple years off but natural levels never came up so started TRT, after 2 years with docs, levels were still at low levels (9.2nmol/L & 208pmol/L with E2 at 40pmol) but doc said they happy even though libido and drive we’re still at lows.

Have been adding little extra on my behalf to see results.

Probably added a little too much at 200mg per week split over 3x pins a week.

Which resulted in 50.3 nmol and 1650nmol with my E2 being bit high at 223pmol. Which was run for 8 or so weeks.

Have dropped it back to 180mg of test a week after E2 being a bit high.

But my libido/drive still feeling low. No drive myself for sex, but can go if partner wants to go.

Have added in arimidex at 0.25mg x 2 per week. This is only recent, but thought I’d check in here and see if anyone had any other thoughts/opinions/things to look into for still having low drive/libido.

Also FYI DHT was previously tested back when I was on docs only TRT which was androforte. DHT was high at 5.65nmol so I was thinking Proviron won’t be of any aid.

Cheers in advance for the help all!
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If a hot naked woman got put in front of you, would you have libido? If the answer is yes, then there's nothing wrong with you. If the answer is no, then you could have some issues with hormones.
 
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