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bearbear22

bearbear22

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Want to start out saying this forum is very solid and the information that is provided has been incredibly helpful.

44yrs
5'8
170lbs
14%bf

Have been active and lifting on and off for 25yrs. First cycle was sustanon in 1996 and had no idea what i was doing. Friend in the gym said take these preloads and pin once a wk for 6wks, i think they were 200mg. So nothing really happened, never increased my lifts more than i would naturally back then. later I realized why, too low of a dosing schedule. plus he never metioned anything about ai's or pct to me. Really unwise on my part. i was like 25yrs old at that time and i should've been smarter but i guess i just trusted my friend thinking hes got my best interest in mind and i am completely safe in his hands.....lol...i know. So no pct or anything for that matter at the time, justs a weak ass blend of Test. But later blood was done and all checked out good. Currently Test level is at 620ng/dl.

Looking to start a Test Prop only cycle.....

wks 1-12 prop 150mg eod
wks 1-12 Adex .25-.5mg eod
3 days after last pin:
wks 13-17 nolvadex 50/50/25/25
wks 13-17 clomid 40/40/20/20

Not sure if Hcg is needed since im using test prop but if any vets would like to chime in here I'll humbly listen to your advice.

Ques. I have a couple of sources(from this board) Im thinking of
using, is it ok to mention them here so i can get some
member opinions on wether to take that route or not?
Dont wanna break any rules.

Thanks in advance, really love the evo forum.....
 
Welcome to Evo !
And Yes, you can mention which ever Source you have in mind.

Your Cycle isn't Bad.
I would however Switch the Adex for Aromasin for a couple of reasons.

Adex can Effect your Cholesterol #'s by Increasing Triglycerides and LDL, and Reducing HDL.
Also If you do need to Run an AI during PCT (not saying you will), Aromasin is the only 1 you can run with Nolvadex.
Nolvadex affects the Blood Plasma Levels of Both Arimidex & Letrozole.
And with Aromasin, you don't have any Chance of Estrogen Rebound, because it's a Suicide Inhibitor, so it Permanently Binds to the Aromatase Enzyme.

Adex only Binds while in use, so if you Stop Suddenly, you get all that Estrogen back into the Blood Stream


As far as the HCG, I would only Include it if you start to get Testicular Atrophy......................................... JP
 
jp4355 said:
Welcome to Evo !
And Yes, you can mention which ever Source you have in mind.

Your Cycle isn't Bad.
I would however Switch the Adex for Aromasin for a couple of reasons.

Adex can Effect your Cholesterol #'s by Increasing Triglycerides and LDL, and Reducing HDL.
Also If you do need to Run an AI during PCT (not saying you will), Aromasin is the only 1 you can run with Nolvadex.
Nolvadex affects the Blood Plasma Levels of Both Arimidex & Letrozole.
And with Aromasin, you don't have any Chance of Estrogen Rebound, because it's a Suicide Inhibitor, so it Permanently Binds to the Aromatase Enzyme.

Adex only Binds while in use, so if you Stop Suddenly, you get all that Estrogen back into the Blood Stream


As far as the HCG, I would only Include it if you start to get Testicular Atrophy......................................... JP
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So are you saying replace the nolvadex with aromasin in pct and also use aromasin in place of adex during cycle?
 
Hammer...Ironstar....Roids24.... any thoughts? any input on others would be appreciated. I have been doing my own research and a i think the jurys still out on Hammer...lol. I know my post count is low and being patient is a virtue but i really want to blast out this 10wk cycle soon and just pct in the summer. Thanks in advane again you guys.

Strength and Honor
 
Yes aromasin throughout cycle and taper off in PCT. And you can talk more about sources and reviews in the source review section of the forum, might find what you are looking for. Clomid aromasin is better IMO than nolva clomid in PCT
 
thekid7 said:
Yes aromasin throughout cycle and taper off in PCT. And you can talk more about sources and reviews in the source review section of the forum, might find what you are looking for. Clomid aromasin is better IMO than nolva clomid in PCT
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Thanks Kid, will work that in.

Strength and Honor.
 
Taurus said:
Welcome to the board!
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Thanks taurus its good to be here. Hope to see this new band of brothers thats been joining lately all lookout for one another and learn from the vets here on evo. There seems to be a foutain of knowledge here just waiting to be soaked up.

Strength and Honor....
 
I just came off of a prop cycle, same protocol. 150mg eod for 12 weeks. It was a good cycle, but the pinning was a decent amount. If you're busy the pinning can be a hassle, but prop is good. Usually you would only want to do short esters for a cut or before a contest of some sort, but if you are comfortable with pinning 3-4 times a week I see no harm in it. My only recommendation is to change the adex to asin. 12.5mg eod should be good, but if you start to feel or see estrogen sides just bump it up to 25mg or whatever works for you. Good luck and welcome.
 
Shweze said:
I just came off of a prop cycle, same protocol. 150mg eod for 12 weeks. It was a good cycle, but the pinning was a decent amount. If you're busy the pinning can be a hassle, but prop is good. Usually you would only want to do short esters for a cut or before a contest of some sort, but if you are comfortable with pinning 3-4 times a week I see no harm in it. My only recommendation is to change the adex to asin. 12.5mg eod should be good, but if you start to feel or see estrogen sides just bump it up to 25mg or whatever works for you. Good luck and welcome.
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Bro.. Did you get your stuff already? Did you post your review of the source you used? Or can you PM me?
 
samkahn said:
Bro.. Did you get your stuff already? Did you post your review of the source you used? Or can you PM me?
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I used NAPS, it was good stuff, but I'd never take my chances with them again. I am on pct right now. I recently put in an order with hammer for some cyp. Hasn't shipped yet or anything, but I will review everything halfway through the cycle.
 
Shweze said:
I used NAPS, it was good stuff, but I'd never take my chances with them again. I am on pct right now. I recently put in an order with hammer for some cyp. Hasn't shipped yet or anything, but I will review everything halfway through the cycle.
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Man, I got BWL stuff... I hope they are good.. Domestic service with reasonable price. Slow at replying, but they have pretty good prices for domestic. and very nice payment options.
 
Shweze said:
I just came off of a prop cycle, same protocol. 150mg eod for 12 weeks. It was a good cycle, but the pinning was a decent amount. If you're busy the pinning can be a hassle, but prop is good. Usually you would only want to do short esters for a cut or before a contest of some sort, but if you are comfortable with pinning 3-4 times a week I see no harm in it. My only recommendation is to change the adex to asin. 12.5mg eod should be good, but if you start to feel or see estrogen sides just bump it up to 25mg or whatever works for you. Good luck and welcome.
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Ya gonna switch it up for aromasin. Thanks for that bro. So whats the skinny on your test prop source g2g obviously. can you pm me details?
 
Shweze said:
I used NAPS, it was good stuff, but I'd never take my chances with them again. I am on pct right now. I recently put in an order with hammer for some cyp. Hasn't shipped yet or anything, but I will review everything halfway through the cycle.
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I was thinking of going with Hammer. Talked with him through email couple of times



Strength and Honor...
 
samkahn said:
I just ordered the stuff... :D They are a bit slow at responding.. BWL had one of the best prices tho.
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I asked them for product and pricing list and they emailed back saying "just follow the protical and that will make transactions smoother...??? I thinking...what protical? I havent seen a price list yet...LOL.
 
bearbear22 said:
I asked them for product and pricing list and they emailed back saying "just follow the protical and that will make transactions smoother...??? I thinking...what protical? I havent seen a price list yet...LOL.
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They are a bit slow.. But they will get back to you..

BTW are you a girl? :o
 
samkahn said:
I didnt get the product.. I may today or tomorrow.. I just heard they are nice . The prices were really good.. The service was straght forward.. :) my 100th post..
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Congrats talk to ya soon...Im fighting the Flu need some rest. peace


Strength and Honor....
 
bearbear22 said:
So are you saying replace the nolvadex with aromasin in pct and also use aromasin in place of adex during cycle?
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Yes, use the Aromasin instead of the Arimidex during your Cycle.

I didn't say to Replace Nolvadex with Aromasin during PCT (two different compounds - Nolva/SERM - Aromasin/AI

What I said was, that if an AI was Needed during PCT.
You have to Run Aromasin with your Nolvadex (I said Run with Nolvadex above - Not Replace).............................. JP
 
Why prop? For twelve weeks I suggest enanthate. You don't need HCG but you should add HCGenerate to you pct and aromasin as well.


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jp4355 said:
Yes, use the Aromasin instead of the Arimidex during your Cycle.

I didn't say to Replace Nolvadex with Aromasin during PCT (two different compounds - Nolva/SERM - Aromasin/AI

What I said was, that if an AI was Needed during PCT.
You have to Run Aromasin with your Nolvadex (I said Run with Nolvadex above - Not Replace).............................. JP
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Ya that make more sense. Thanks brother.



Strength and Honor...
 
JackSteel said:
Why prop? For twelve weeks I suggest enanthate. You don't need HCG but you should add HCGenerate to you pct and aromasin as well.


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Was thinking Id tackle the pip right out the gate, pins dont bother me, skip as much water retention as possible, I tend to bloat easily. Didnt notice much pip off the sust, just felt like there was a golf ball suck in my ass cheek for a day. But I hear ya, still got the enan on the back burner. Love to hear more of your opinion on this. Yes aromasin thats a done deal. will look into the hcgemerate. Thanks brother.



Strength and Honor....
 
bearbear22 said:
Was thinking Id tackle the pip right out the gate, pins dont bother me, skip as much water retention as possible, I tend to bloat easily. Didnt notice much pip off the sust, just felt like there was a golf ball suck in my ass cheek for a day. But I hear ya, still got the enan on the back burner. Love to hear more of your opinion on this. Yes aromasin thats a done deal. will look into the hcgemerate. Thanks brother.



Strength and Honor....
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I'd stick with Test E also.. Test is Test man. You have more control over the bloat than you think.. and shit Sust is just asking for bloat IMO
 
thekid7 said:
I'd stick with Test E also.. Test is Test man. You have more control over the bloat than you think.. and shit Sust is just asking for bloat IMO
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Ya know I was on the fence with the e. Hows this:

wks 1-4 test p 125mg eod
wks 1-12 test e 600mg wk (300x2)
wks 13-14 test p 125mg eod

Ofcourse aromasin 12.5 eod throughout cycle (wks 1-14)

Wait 3days and pct.....nov/clom etc...What do you think about that! BAM! lol;)
No seriously any tweaking advice in there would be much appreciated.

Thanks kid.





Strength and Honor....
 
bearbear22 said:
Ya know I was on the fence with the e. Hows this:

wks 1-4 test p 125mg eod
wks 1-12 test e 600mg wk (300x2)
wks 13-14 test p 125mg eod

Ofcourse aromasin 12.5 eod throughout cycle (wks 1-14)

Wait 3days and pct.....nov/clom etc...What do you think about that! BAM! lol;)
No seriously any tweaking advice in there would be much appreciated.

Thanks kid.





Strength and Honor....
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Thanks for the info Bear ..
 
bearbear22 said:
Not g2g. scratch the last two wks of prop off and i wouldnt start pct for 2wks. but double check that with the vets.


Strength and Honor.....
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What do you think about cycle?

15 weeks of first cycle

Weeks 1-15: 500mg TestE every week

Weeks 1-5: 40mg of dbol everyday.

Weeks 1-15: 0.5mg of Aromasin a day

Post Cycle:

Weeks 17-21: 20mg of Tamo per day

Weeks 17-21: 50mg of Clomi per day
 
Ya Im not a fan of orals myself. looks like alot of Asin. maybe eod, depends on the individual. Ask the vets on that. Im still dialing in my cycle. The vets here are given me the "business" but thats why I like it here....trying to filter out the golden nuggets. :p



Strength and Honor....
 
bearbear22 said:
Ya Im not a fan of orals myself. looks like alot of Asin. maybe eod, depends on the individual. Ask the vets on that. Im still dialing in my cycle. The vets here are given me the "business" but thats why I like it here....trying to filter out the golden nuggets. :p



Strength and Honor....
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I would take Dbol orals man.. the injectibles look fishy as hell.. Moreover, I dont like injecting everyday with dbol,
 
samkahn said:
I would take Dbol orals man.. the injectibles look fishy as hell.. Moreover, I dont like injecting everyday with dbol,
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Sry I miss read your post earlier. The Aromasin should be 12.5mg eod. My bad I was thinking arimidex. As far orals go I just worry about my liver processing the dbol twice. But thats just me. Alot people love Dbol. Ive always wanted try it maybe next cycle.


Strength and Honor....
 
Drugsgear.com said:
Bro, welcome to Evo!
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Thanks drugsgear, welcome to evo to you aswell. Have been following your intro thead in source talk and so far so good. Lets hope the bloods come back good. If this is the case and you dont hike your prices up after good lab reviews I will be purchasing test e, test P, ai's and pct products from you good sir.

Thanks for the welcome post.



Strength and Honor....
 
bearbear22 said:
Want to start out saying this forum is very solid and the information that is provided has been incredibly helpful.

44yrs
5'8
170lbs
14%bf

Have been active and lifting on and off for 25yrs. First cycle was sustanon in 1996 and had no idea what i was doing. Friend in the gym said take these preloads and pin once a wk for 6wks, i think they were 200mg. So nothing really happened, never increased my lifts more than i would naturally back then. later I realized why, too low of a dosing schedule. plus he never metioned anything about ai's or pct to me. Really unwise on my part. i was like 25yrs old at that time and i should've been smarter but i guess i just trusted my friend thinking hes got my best interest in mind and i am completely safe in his hands.....lol...i know. So no pct or anything for that matter at the time, justs a weak ass blend of Test. But later blood was done and all checked out good. Currently Test level is at 620ng/dl.

Looking to start a Test Prop only cycle.....

wks 1-12 prop 150mg eod
wks 1-12 Adex .25-.5mg eod
3 days after last pin:
wks 13-17 nolvadex 50/50/25/25
wks 13-17 clomid 40/40/20/20

Not sure if Hcg is needed since im using test prop but if any vets would like to chime in here I'll humbly listen to your advice.

Ques. I have a couple of sources(from this board) Im thinking of
using, is it ok to mention them here so i can get some
member opinions on wether to take that route or not?
Dont wanna break any rules.

Thanks in advance, really love the evo forum.....
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check out the source reviews section.It will give you a great idea who are the most trusted sources.Work on that pct, its kinda weak
 
New member here.... I just started TRT. I am 42 and more round than tall... I have had to shoulder surgeries (rotators and SLAP tears).. I have switched my diet to more raw foods and a lot of baked or grilled chicken. I am looking to get back to my Army fighting form from days of old. My doc put me on 1/2ml every other week. I am actually taking 1ml e5d. I am doing cardio after my gym sessions. Trying to cut down about 10% BF, I really don't care about weight. Just need to get rid of some excess fat. I was thinking about adding some TrenE to the mix as well.... Any thoughts
 
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