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samgraves82
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Post pic. If u look half ready I'll turn u on to everuthing u need.
Been lifting since January, I started at 157 pounds, I now weigh 175...... my strength has came a long way but my muscle growth seems to have hit a plateau . I’m 31 years old
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I’m new to the whole discussion forum thing, how do I upload a damn pic lol
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I’m new to the whole discussion forum thing, how do I upload a damn pic lol
175 at what height?
If you are 5'10 or taller you still have room to grow.
To start I think you could run a simple Cardarine, osta, and LGD stack for 12 weeks. These are all Sarms (techincally Cardarine isnt but gets lumped in with them anyways).
Sarms1 and esarms are both sponsors here with quality products. Stevesmi and Dylan have codes for discounts.
I would say if you are really wanting to go injectable AAS 350-400mg/week test enanthate for 12 weeks would be a good starting AAS cycle. PSL is a sponsor here their products are also high quality.
You would need on cycle support, PCT, bloodwork, etc.
If you are 5'10 or taller you still have room to grow.
To start I think you could run a simple Cardarine, osta, and LGD stack for 12 weeks. These are all Sarms (techincally Cardarine isnt but gets lumped in with them anyways).
Sarms1 and esarms are both sponsors here with quality products. Stevesmi and Dylan have codes for discounts.
I would say if you are really wanting to go injectable AAS 350-400mg/week test enanthate for 12 weeks would be a good starting AAS cycle. PSL is a sponsor here their products are also high quality.
You would need on cycle support, PCT, bloodwork, etc.
Yes I’m 6ft y’all, lean and vascular but I want more mass, yes I’m wanting to go AAS thank you so much ..... so order the enanthate , PSL brand from here? It’s safe and works? Thank you for your feedback
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On cycle support? Sorry about all the questions , I just want to do it right , these guys at my local gym didnt say anything about all this kind of stuff
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On cycle support? Sorry about all the questions , I just want to do it right , these guys at my local gym didnt say anything about all this kind of stuff
You’ve been lifting for less than one year. Slow down, this is a marathon not a sprint. Sounds like you are already making nice progress, you don’t need steroids! Mix up your training, learn some new exercises, really really lock in your form (look at your TUT, and M/M connection most new lifters really struggle learning those concepts and implementing them) and your diet and I guarantee you will break through any plateaus you have run into at just 8 months without any PEDs.
samgraves82
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They usually dont
I understand it takes time but I would like to do a cycle safely with real stuff and with peace of mind in the product
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Samgraves82 what do you suggest
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I got a bottle from a local called Stallion test blend 350 with a black horse on it ??! I’d rather get something that you experienced guys know and trust , a good brand and kind
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Awm81 thank you for your suggestion
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Samgraves82 what do you suggest
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I got a bottle from a local called Stallion test blend 350 with a black horse on it ??! I’d rather get something that you experienced guys know and trust , a good brand and kind
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Awm81 thank you for your suggestion
Just because you train, doesn’t mean you need to be on AAS. You’ve been training for 8 months, you are still a beginner. When I was at 8 months I knew nothing. What’s your training look like? How much frequency? How much volume? Do you really understand time under tension? Do you really understand mind muscle connection? How good is your form? Can you recognize when you miss a rep? Or a set gets sloppy? And do you know how to correct when it happens? Are you varying your training every 6 weeks to 2 months? How much rest are you getting? What’s your diet look like? Are you truly getting enough calories? How active are you outside the gym? How much do you sleep at night? There are a ton of variables and principles you need to know and get dialed in. It takes time to learn all of these principles. And I feel pretty confident that in 8 months you haven’t begun to scratch the surface on learning ANY of these. You do not need steroids, and you shouldn’t take them right now. Hold off, improve on everything and your future self will thank you for waiting.
samgraves82
Buff Brother
I echo awm. I have to admit I agree with cmpody too.
As others have said 8 months is nothing before jumping on steroids.
My first cycle I was 34 im 38 now. I trained for 16 years before doing any injectable cycles.
If you are dead set on running a cycle PSL here has fantastic products ive never been disappointed.
Test only first cycle. 12 weeks max and 350mg-400mg a week. Need aromasin on cycle to keep your estrogen in check. Plus will want to run N2Guard to protect your vitals/organs.
PCT is laid out in perfect PCT sticky at the top of the page. I would follow that.
My first cycle I was 34 im 38 now. I trained for 16 years before doing any injectable cycles.
If you are dead set on running a cycle PSL here has fantastic products ive never been disappointed.
Test only first cycle. 12 weeks max and 350mg-400mg a week. Need aromasin on cycle to keep your estrogen in check. Plus will want to run N2Guard to protect your vitals/organs.
PCT is laid out in perfect PCT sticky at the top of the page. I would follow that.
The guys are definitely trying to help you here. Steroids increase your strength faster than your joints and connective tissue can keep up, and you want to have a few years of consistent lifting on them first. Sarms would be a reasonable alternative for now though.
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you want to use steroids and you havent even been lifting a year? your going to get yourself royally fucked up listening to "local guys at the gym" These guys are clueless... you should spend years lifting before you even have steroids in your vocabulary... your just going to have to learn the hard way
Never ever ever listen to guys at the local gym or buy anything from them without researching first and unless you know them I would be suspect of their advice.
A lot of guys use steroids, a lot of them have no idea what they are doing. I have guys at my gym that are 25%+ bodyfat running 1-2 grams of test a week, no AI, are bloated as fuck, red skin, acne, look like shit and they try and dole out advice its crazy.
Plus be wary of any of the gym guys who give you advice then want to sell you products. They are likely just trying to push whatever they can to make money. Test is cheap, proper on-cycle support plus post cycle therapy is expensive. Thats why a lot of guys use steroid but dont do it the right way and they pay the price in the long run.
Real tea, real coffee... what?
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1 bottle and of what?
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I trained 22 years before I took anything
TEST*
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Improve your diet and training first.You can start using food intake tracker app like myfitnesspal and log your workouts.Hit the gym hard atleast 3 times a week and learn how much rest you need.Do this for 1-2 years to build solid base.You can take steroids now but without the knowledge how to do all this stuff you are going to get verry little not to mention the high risk of injury without solid muscle base.Be safe and be smart my brother its your choice.
Throw it out. Whatever it is, you don’t need it.
Agreed but most people wont listen so might as well get it from a legit source LOL!
samgraves82
Buff Brother
I agree. They gonna do it anyway so help em along the right way. Just make sure to let em know the truth about it bein too soon
I’ve lifted on and off since I was 20..... I’m 31 now..... but I’ve lifted for a year , stopped seeing results so I quit for a year.... started back quit again , on and on.... but I’ve been lifting for 8 straight months this most recent time... I lift at least 4 times a week and sometimes 6 or 7 ..... I always gain 12 to 15 pounds of muscle very quick within the first 6 months and then my gains become very slow which I know is normal , i understand your muscles need confusion to grow so I do change my workout up every 5 or 6 weeks , I try to take in at least 1 to 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight and drink almost a gallon of water daily and try to keep my calorie intake over 3500 a day but I get bored and aggravated with no change , I lift heavy with less reps and also superset sometimes and do burnout sessions at the end , but I do wanna try something and want to do it the right way
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And thank you guys for writing your opinions for and against , I see both sides
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And thank you guys for writing your opinions for and against , I see both sides
Ok. I’m not trying to be an asshole. But you aren’t gaining 12-15 lbs of muscle in 6 months. You might be gaining 12-15 lbs total but I don’t care who you are or what you are supplementing with you aren’t adding that amount of muscle that quickly. Even on juice you won’t see results like that. As a beginner you might add 8-10 lbs of muscle in a year and that’s if you have genetics gifted from God.
Secondly, if you want to grow muscle you need to train for hypertrophy. Slow your negatives down, nail your form and try to get that muscle under tension for 45 seconds or so per set. When done properly at a correct load you will be in agony at about the 35 second mark and those last 10 seconds will be where you grow. If you want to see new growth you can’t keep training the same way. Ditch the supersets and focus on killing each set.
Finally, I keep coming back to this. You say you are vascular and ripped, already. Dude, that’s a good look, why not just try to make some improvements on that instead of stressing over trying to add a bunch of mass? Chicks drool over ripped vascular guys 6’ tall. They don’t particularly like the hardcore juiced look.
Cmpody I totally agree, wish I knew how to put a pic on here, my friends hate me cause I can come in the gym in 6 months and look better than them and look like I never quit lifting, I’ve always been like that, and yes the girls do love it, and I started 8 months ago around 160 and I just stepped off the scale at 179 and I have a six pack , I’m sure some of it is fat but not much , but then I look over at the big guys pumping iron and i tell myself I want to be bigger, but I guess everybody’s body is different idk I’ve never had a chest that looked like those guys and I guess you always want what you don’t have or always want more
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By saying you lift atleast 4 and sometimes 6-7 per week it is enough for me to understand you are not persistent with training and maybe more so with diet.Also you change routines after 5 weeks?Give your body time to grow man muscle building doesnt happen overnight or for 2 weeks.If you decide to try workout routine give it atleast 10 weeks to see where the things are going.Another thing is if you want to build muscle focus on sarcoplasmic hypertrophy 8-12 reps works best.I have only one question for you:what will happen after the cycle when you not only doesnt see results but you loose some of them are you going to stop lifting like before?
Dude you’re 6’ tall 180 lbs with a 6 pack. Newsflash, YOU are a big guy! Who gives a fuck what they lift. Plenty of guys lift more than me in my gym, very few look half as good as I do and it has nothing to do with gear. You wanna grow your chest? Increase the frequency to at least twice a week, increase the time under tension per set, nail your form including your mind/muscle connection, continue to diet properly with good sleep at night and it will grow, trust me.
If you are hellbent on gear, like others have said, test only, for you I’d recommend 400 mg per week you could add proviron, but that’s it! Get you an AI and nail your pct and in 6 months you might add and keep 8-12 lbs of muscle. Maybe. And yes PSL is the way to go...
If you are hellbent on gear, like others have said, test only, for you I’d recommend 400 mg per week you could add proviron, but that’s it! Get you an AI and nail your pct and in 6 months you might add and keep 8-12 lbs of muscle. Maybe. And yes PSL is the way to go...
The last sentence nails it. So many guys think gear is some magic elixir that’s going to add tons and tons of muscle. It’s not. Does it help? Of course! But it makes up 5 maybe 10% of it. I’m worried the OP thinks he’s gonna add 20-30 lbs of muscle running one cycle. That’s just totally unrealistic
Test, the reason I vary from at least 4 workouts a week to 7 is only because of my work schedule, but I make sure I get in at least 4.......and after my cycle if I do one.... Idk what I will do lol but I did want to try it.... I definitely never planned to keep doing it over and over .... but I am going to take yalls advice for the next two months ... eat right, sleep well, train my chest twice a week, concentrate on my form and actually feel my pectorals on the way down slowly and up ..... and pray for growth lol
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Don't get me wrong man i not trying to tell you what to do,just want to help and to make you understand what is realy holding you back from achieving the results you desire.It will always be better to pick routine that you can stick to.There are lots of 4 day programs out there.My favourite is upper/lower 2 times per week alternating between sthrengh and hyperthrophy.Dont pray just work hard brother !
You gain gain a lot of weight over a cycle but its mostly fat and water. Realistically if you are an experienced lift you might gain 1-3 pounds over a single cycle and that's about it. All the rest of the weight gain is water and fat.
Sure you can throw test and dbol at your body and blow up like a house but it will all be gone after your PCT (minus the fat that stays LOL!).
If you are lean with a 6 pack stay that way. If you do a cycle keep calories in check and eat clean. Gain 2-3 pounds of raw muscle and be happy. Its easier to grow slowly than bulk up then need to cut all that fat that doesnt want to go away.
If you want to post a picture sign up for imgur, add a picture and keep it private, then just use the forum link when you click on the photo and paste it in here. It will show in the thread.
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Also as a reference point im 6'9" 260 pounds and about 13-14% bodyfat
Sure you can throw test and dbol at your body and blow up like a house but it will all be gone after your PCT (minus the fat that stays LOL!).
If you are lean with a 6 pack stay that way. If you do a cycle keep calories in check and eat clean. Gain 2-3 pounds of raw muscle and be happy. Its easier to grow slowly than bulk up then need to cut all that fat that doesnt want to go away.
If you want to post a picture sign up for imgur, add a picture and keep it private, then just use the forum link when you click on the photo and paste it in here. It will show in the thread.
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Also as a reference point im 6'9" 260 pounds and about 13-14% bodyfat
TEST*
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You gain gain a lot of weight over a cycle but its mostly fat and water. Realistically if you are an experienced lift you might gain 1-3 pounds over a single cycle and that's about it. All the rest of the weight gain is water and fat.
Sure you can throw test and dbol at your body and blow up like a house but it will all be gone after your PCT (minus the fat that stays LOL!).
If you are lean with a 6 pack stay that way. If you do a cycle keep calories in check and eat clean. Gain 2-3 pounds of raw muscle and be happy. Its easier to grow slowly than bulk up then need to cut all that fat that doesnt want to go away.
If you want to post a picture sign up for imgur, add a picture and keep it private, then just use the forum link when you click on the photo and paste it in here. It will show in the thread.
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Also as a reference point im 6'9" 260 pounds and about 13-14% bodyfat
NICE vascularity on your arms bro
never heard of it
samgraves82
Buff Brother
6'9"?!?! God damn big boy!!!You gain gain a lot of weight over a cycle but its mostly fat and water. Realistically if you are an experienced lift you might gain 1-3 pounds over a single cycle and that's about it. All the rest of the weight gain is water and fat.
Sure you can throw test and dbol at your body and blow up like a house but it will all be gone after your PCT (minus the fat that stays LOL!).
If you are lean with a 6 pack stay that way. If you do a cycle keep calories in check and eat clean. Gain 2-3 pounds of raw muscle and be happy. Its easier to grow slowly than bulk up then need to cut all that fat that doesnt want to go away.
If you want to post a picture sign up for imgur, add a picture and keep it private, then just use the forum link when you click on the photo and paste it in here. It will show in the thread.
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Also as a reference point im 6'9" 260 pounds and about 13-14% bodyfat
Thanks TEST and Sam yea im not small thats for sure hahaha. Im lucky im tall but not skinny like a rail like most guys my height I can pack on muscle pretty well but have to be carful because I can gain really fast and a lot will turn to fat.
Currently just running cardarine, sten (sr-9009) and MK677 as I ran a pretty heavy sarms cycle (cardarine, osta, LGD, RAD140) and tossed in Proviron (which was stupid because it did suppress me the opposite of what I wanted on a sarsm cycle) but worked pretty well so trying to keep lean for my test/primobolan/tbol cycle starting end of this year. I run about 1 injectable cycle a year and sarms the rest of the time all with PCTs in between.
Currently just running cardarine, sten (sr-9009) and MK677 as I ran a pretty heavy sarms cycle (cardarine, osta, LGD, RAD140) and tossed in Proviron (which was stupid because it did suppress me the opposite of what I wanted on a sarsm cycle) but worked pretty well so trying to keep lean for my test/primobolan/tbol cycle starting end of this year. I run about 1 injectable cycle a year and sarms the rest of the time all with PCTs in between.
