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Hello Everyone :)

I'm currently looking to start a cycle around end of March and i've been thinking on what to jump on this time.

My second cycle actually shut down my erectile functionality for quiet some time... until some expensive pct refered to as "The perfect PCT" saved me :D (around 1.5k$ later).

I'm now thinking of jumping on Sustanon 325 (inj) + Masteron (inj) + Primobolan (pill), has anyone ever ran this stack ? if so, how did your results look ?

I'm also wondering how often these should be injected, EOD has always been my favorite and i'm hoping i could do it with this stack.

My stats and cycle history are below, any advice on dosages/recommendations/feedback on this stack would be greatly appreciated !

Stats:
5'10
185lbs
~6 years of gym

First Cycle:
Sustanon 250+Tbol (Amazing)

Second Cycle:
Sustanon 250 + Tbol + TNT, i started up with this but ended up switching TNT with just test E, and sustanont 250 with Sustanont(Sustaplex) 325
 
dylangemelli said:
ive ran the combo several times but oral primo is a complete waste of money... dont bother... if you want to go eod then you need to use test prop and mast prop and drop primo...
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Interesting, i've read some great reviews on primo... would you suggest i take tbol again instead ?

If i'm not going EOD, how frequent are you suggesting ? I cant stand doing it daily D:
 
sustanon should be injected twice per week
mast prop - EOD or MWF
mast e should be injected twice per week
primo e injectable should be injected twice per week

Masteron is primarily a cosmetic drug. You won't notice much from it unless you are 8% body fat or less.

I would do sust + primo inject + a tbol kick start.

Something like this -

Weeks 1 - 12
sustanon 200mg/week
primo 600mg/week
armomasin 10mg EOD

Weeks 1 - 6
tbol 30mg/day
a good liver aid supplement like n2guard from n2bm.com - 1 serving per day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
 
I'll definitely be trying to find the injectable primo since both of you are recommending it over the oral.

@Mobster, my bad... pretty important question lol, i'm 25 in a couple of days.

If i am to do Sus325 + Primo Inject + Tbol, how would my dosages / frequency look like ?

Also, anyone knows how long till i start seeing things kick in ? (Considering i'll be on a pretty strict cutting diet)
 
Steroids start working as soon as they are in your system. If you are running all long esters then say week 5 is when they will peak in your blood. As far as cutting, steroids don't burn fat so it all comes down to diet. What the steroids will do is keep your muscle while you are in a deficit. They can also give you a harder look but that is about it. Cutting in my opinion is best done without steroids.
 
Torxes said:
Hello Everyone :)

I'm currently looking to start a cycle around end of March and i've been thinking on what to jump on this time.

My second cycle actually shut down my erectile functionality for quiet some time... until some expensive pct refered to as "The perfect PCT" saved me :D (around 1.5k$ later).

I'm now thinking of jumping on Sustanon 325 (inj) + Masteron (inj) + Primobolan (pill), has anyone ever ran this stack ? if so, how did your results look ?

I'm also wondering how often these should be injected, EOD has always been my favorite and i'm hoping i could do it with this stack.

My stats and cycle history are below, any advice on dosages/recommendations/feedback on this stack would be greatly appreciated !

Stats:
5'10
185lbs
~6 years of gym

First Cycle:
Sustanon 250+Tbol (Amazing)

Second Cycle:
Sustanon 250 + Tbol + TNT, i started up with this but ended up switching TNT with just test E, and sustanont 250 with Sustanont(Sustaplex) 325
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ditch sust man too much water
 
Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Steroids start working as soon as they are in your system. If you are running all long esters then say week 5 is when they will peak in your blood. As far as cutting, steroids don't burn fat so it all comes down to diet. What the steroids will do is keep your muscle while you are in a deficit. They can also give you a harder look but that is about it. Cutting in my opinion is best done without steroids.
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I'm not sure thats accurate.. its a little bit of both, no one is going to lean up with a garbage diet, but steroids definitely do help burn fat, lots of it actually as i'm a thick guy and it takes me forever to lean down with out steroids.

I have however, learned that i get the most out of a steroid cycle if i do fasted cardio for ~15 minutes in the morning :)


Anyways... good news is that i found injectable primo !!! :D its more expensive but money isnt a problem.

Can i get some advice on what my dosages should be for a Primo+Sus325+Tbol ?
 
muskate said:
sustanon should be injected twice per week
mast prop - EOD or MWF
mast e should be injected twice per week
primo e injectable should be injected twice per week

Masteron is primarily a cosmetic drug. You won't notice much from it unless you are 8% body fat or less.

I would do sust + primo inject + a tbol kick start.

Something like this -

Weeks 1 - 12
sustanon 200mg/week
primo 600mg/week
armomasin 10mg EOD

Weeks 1 - 6
tbol 30mg/day
a good liver aid supplement like n2guard from n2bm.com - 1 serving per day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
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I just noticed this update, man you're awesome i will definitely be doing that.

In regards to TBOL, is 30mg/day really enough ? my last cycle i was literally taking 80mg/day
 
Torxes said:
I just noticed this update, man you're awesome i will definitely be doing that.

In regards to TBOL, is 30mg/day really enough ? my last cycle i was literally taking 80mg/day
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i stick with 60 mg per day of tbol... 80 mg is very high bro... 60 is generally the sweet spot.. 30 mg is effective, yes, but 60 is where i generally recommend depending upon the person and the cycle...
 
I just realized you're the guy from youtube... respect, i watch your videos all the time lol and literally was just watching your primo review video.

I'll definitely be doing Sus325+Primo+Tbol

The best approach for this i'm guessing is a twice weekly injection ? hopefully primo isnt a painful injection lol
 
Torxes said:
I'm not sure thats accurate.. its a little bit of both, no one is going to lean up with a garbage diet, but steroids definitely do help burn fat, lots of it actually as i'm a thick guy and it takes me forever to lean down with out steroids.

I have however, learned that i get the most out of a steroid cycle if i do fasted cardio for ~15 minutes in the morning :)


Anyways... good news is that i found injectable primo !!! :D its more expensive but money isnt a problem.

Can i get some advice on what my dosages should be for a Primo+Sus325+Tbol ?
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I'm sure it IS accurate. Here's why.

Don't train, eat a normal diet and take steroids. What happens? Ignoring the side effects not a fkin lot.

Now train, still eat a normal diet and take steroids and what happens?

Now do train, do cardio, still eat a normal diet and take steroids followed by...

All of the above but the diet is tight. You KNOW that this option is the best right?

Check out Rhinos Rants on GH. He lists a bunch of meds where exercise and diet actually equal or beat the drug.
 
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Torxes said:
as i'm a thick guy and it takes me forever to lean down with out steroids.
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what is happening here is you use steroids and get more motivated to workout so you burn more calories in the process.

if you actually fixed your diet you would get tremendous results to cut down. i would check out my fasting ebook in my signature
 
Torxes said:
I'm not sure thats accurate.. its a little bit of both, no one is going to lean up with a garbage diet, but steroids definitely do help burn fat, lots of it actually as i'm a thick guy and it takes me forever to lean down with out steroids.

I have however, learned that i get the most out of a steroid cycle if i do fasted cardio for ~15 minutes in the morning :)


Anyways... good news is that i found injectable primo !!! :D its more expensive but money isnt a problem.

Can i get some advice on what my dosages should be for a Primo+Sus325+Tbol ?
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Steroids do not burn fat. That is not how they work. They increase muscle protein synthesis. If you just sit on the couch and inject steroids you will lose no more fat than the guy who is sitting on the couch not injecting steroids. The fat loss is due to burning more calories than you take in.
 
Torxes said:
I just realized you're the guy from youtube... respect, i watch your videos all the time lol and literally was just watching your primo review video.

I'll definitely be doing Sus325+Primo+Tbol

The best approach for this i'm guessing is a twice weekly injection ? hopefully primo isnt a painful injection lol
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thanks brother... yes, its twice a week on injections with primo and sustanon...
 
Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Steroids do not burn fat. That is not how they work. They increase muscle protein synthesis. If you just sit on the couch and inject steroids you will lose no more fat than the guy who is sitting on the couch not injecting steroids. The fat loss is due to burning more calories than you take in.
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To some extent i agree... but come on guys, dont presume that everyone is going to take steroids and sit on a couch.

From my previous cycle experiences, i 100% know for a fact that steroids do in fact help with burning off fat, maybe not directly but it definitely does... They might not be specifically for that but they give you the energy and power to do even more than your best effort work out, in that sense... they do definitely help shed fat off.

Needless to say, i'm obviously going to be strict af on my diet, i've had great results from every cycle i've done and this one is going to be even better, cause i'll be following a strict diet to the T cause i have a goal to beat my all time fitness level.

I do appreciate everyone's input on this especially Dylan, this is why this forum is my fave cycle talk forum.
 
Torxes said:
To some extent i agree... but come on guys, dont presume that everyone is going to take steroids and sit on a couch.

From my previous cycle experiences, i 100% know for a fact that steroids do in fact help with burning off fat, maybe not directly but it definitely does... They might not be specifically for that but they give you the energy and power to do even more than your best effort work out, in that sense... they do definitely help shed fat off.

Needless to say, i'm obviously going to be strict af on my diet, i've had great results from every cycle i've done and this one is going to be even better, cause i'll be following a strict diet to the T cause i have a goal to beat my all time fitness level.

I do appreciate everyone's input on this especially Dylan, this is why this forum is my fave cycle talk forum.
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Of course they indirectly burn fat bro... when u build lean muscle you of course lose fat... the problem is people often depend on them or think they are used fr weight loss or to magically get them in shape... thats just a point being made to educate everyone reading
 
Torxes said:
To some extent i agree... but come on guys, dont presume that everyone is going to take steroids and sit on a couch.

From my previous cycle experiences, i 100% know for a fact that steroids do in fact help with burning off fat, maybe not directly but it definitely does... They might not be specifically for that but they give you the energy and power to do even more than your best effort work out, in that sense... they do definitely help shed fat off.

Needless to say, i'm obviously going to be strict af on my diet, i've had great results from every cycle i've done and this one is going to be even better, cause i'll be following a strict diet to the T cause i have a goal to beat my all time fitness level.

I do appreciate everyone's input on this especially Dylan, this is why this forum is my fave cycle talk forum.
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So you agree then?
 
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