PCT for Win and Var cycle

[Atrox]

After I run my SARMS triple stack as DG recommends, I want to go to the win/var cycle found here: http://www.evolutionary.org/anavar-oxandrolone it's the "second cycle".

I've read so much over the last 2 months my brain hurts. I realize that on cycle and post cycle therapy is a necessary and valuable tool to anyone using AAS for any reason. Both of these AAS' say there are low sides, etc..

Other than using HCGenerate towards the end of the cycle (and I'm assuming through PCT as well), and using N2Guard throughout, are any of the anti-estrogens needed for safety? If so, during or after?

Thanks, you guys rock.

PS- I'm not being lazy. I browsed this forum for nearly 2 hours looking for this question. There are just too many threads.

 

[Moorepower]

Win & Var? You serious?


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[Moorepower]

Read so much your brain hurts? The stuff people say. Amusing


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[Atrox]

Read so much your brain hurts? The stuff people say. Amusing


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Okay in response to your first reply, I found the concept interesting, and it IS listed as a cycle in THIS websites breakdown of Anavar. I don't know much about AAS, which is why I'm here asking questions. If it's a bad idea, just say so, and explain why. You post a few hours after I commented that this board seemed free of trolls. I stand corrected.

In response to the quoted reply- it's a joke. Not meant to be serious. Would you have been happier if I explained that the vast number of compounds, names, effects, different names, different ideas, different purposes, and different opinions is confusing to me when I want to recall a specific item? "My brain hurts" seems a lot shorter, doesn't it?

Thanks for nothing.

 

[jbranken]

Multiple orals can be taken at a time, but there's a few factors that should contribute to your decision:

1) how toxic is each oral per 10mg

2) the total mg used

A good dosage for winny is 50mg, and 60mg for var, but running them both at that dosage is asking for jaundice. So, we split the dosages and what happens is the toxicity stays around the same and you can reap benefits from two amazing orals. I would do a 30/30 split for a total of 60mg ED.

Keep aromasin on hand because although these orals do not aromatize, you can still get gyno through other pathways from these steroids (more so anavar). You can stack sarms like s4 and GW on top of these two orals for incredible results and shredding. Use ostarine in pct to help retain and nurture the gains you made on cycle.

1-6 anavar 30mg ED
1-6 Winstrol 30mg ED
1-6 s4 50mg ED
1-6 Cardarine (GW) 20mg ED
1-6 n2guard
1-6 hcgenerate
(Aromasin on hand)

Pct
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Hcgenerate
Ostarine 25mg ED
Cardarine 20mg ED
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

 

[jp4355]

Multiple orals can be taken at a time, but there's a few factors that should contribute to your decision:

1) how toxic is each oral per 10mg

2) the total mg used

A good dosage for winny is 50mg, and 60mg for var, but running them both at that dosage is asking for jaundice. So, we split the dosages and what happens is the toxicity stays around the same and you can reap benefits from two amazing orals. I would do a 30/30 split for a total of 60mg ED.

Keep aromasin on hand because although these orals do not aromatize, you can still get gyno through other pathways from these steroids (more so anavar). You can stack sarms like s4 and GW on top of these two orals for incredible results and shredding. Use ostarine in pct to help retain and nurture the gains you made on cycle.

1-6 anavar 30mg ED
1-6 Winstrol 30mg ED
1-6 s4 50mg ED
1-6 Cardarine (GW) 20mg ED
1-6 n2guard
1-6 hcgenerate
(Aromasin on hand)

Pct
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Hcgenerate
Ostarine 25mg ED
Cardarine 20mg ED
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

I agree with jbranken's outline, the only thing that I would add to it is this, before you even think about Starting.

Get a full Liver Profile Test done, to make sure that you can handle the Orals.

I don't know if you ever did anything that may have Compromised your Liver, so you want to make sure..............................................JP

 

[Atrox]

Great fellas- thank you much. From reading the profiles of these 2 orals, am I correct in assuming the primary benefit of adding Winny to any stack besides it's leaning effects, is that it also appears to improve the efficiency of other AAS by reducing SHBG- correct? I think it's the reason why the cycle I found advocates using it with Anavar. My labs all look good as of Feb, but I'm a whole sarms triple stack cycle away from this- if I do it at all.

I can see where S4 and Cardarine would reallly amp this up too! I'm a few bucks away from finding out how well I do with the SARMS alone.

Regards!

 

[jbranken]

Great fellas- thank you much. From reading the profiles of these 2 orals, am I correct in assuming the primary benefit of adding Winny to any stack besides it's leaning effects, is that it also appears to improve the efficiency of other AAS by reducing SHBG- correct? I think it's the reason why the cycle I found advocates using it with Anavar. My labs all look good as of Feb, but I'm a whole sarms triple stack cycle away from this- if I do it at all.

I can see where S4 and Cardarine would reallly amp this up too! I'm a few bucks away from finding out how well I do with the SARMS alone.

Regards!

Yea, it lowers SHBG. Winny actually does more for drying you out and hardening you up while var will do most of the leaning. Very effective combo.

 

[EER]

He could go injectable winny if he has liver issues....wont totally stop the winny from upping his liver enzymes but will be way better than oral due to it being a 1st pass.

 

[dylangemelli]

sarms with these two orals is a cutting dream... there are so many excellent type of results that can occur from this cycle... This is just the type of cycle you must make sure your fully protected... the main thing here is not underestimating how strong two orals is going to be, even at a moderate dose... always make sure you are running n2guard, drinking plenty of water, getting plenty of rest, etc... the sarms will fully maximize this cycle and you can really do a lot with it bro...

 

[gymrat827]

Multiple orals can be taken at a time, but there's a few factors that should contribute to your decision:

1) how toxic is each oral per 10mg

2) the total mg used

A good dosage for winny is 50mg, and 60mg for var, but running them both at that dosage is asking for jaundice. So, we split the dosages and what happens is the toxicity stays around the same and you can reap benefits from two amazing orals. I would do a 30/30 split for a total of 60mg ED.

Keep aromasin on hand because although these orals do not aromatize, you can still get gyno through other pathways from these steroids (more so anavar). You can stack sarms like s4 and GW on top of these two orals for incredible results and shredding. Use ostarine in pct to help retain and nurture the gains you made on cycle.

1-6 anavar 30mg ED
1-6 Winstrol 30mg ED
1-6 s4 50mg ED
1-6 Cardarine (GW) 20mg ED
1-6 n2guard
1-6 hcgenerate
(Aromasin on hand)

Pct
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Hcgenerate
Ostarine 25mg ED
Cardarine 20mg ED
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

i like this outline a lot as well. getting some tes will really help but the 2 sarms + 2 orals will be a good run.

 

[fortitude18]

After I run my SARMS triple stack as DG recommends, I want to go to the win/var cycle found here: http://www.evolutionary.org/anavar-oxandrolone it's the "second cycle".

I've read so much over the last 2 months my brain hurts. I realize that on cycle and post cycle therapy is a necessary and valuable tool to anyone using AAS for any reason. Both of these AAS' say there are low sides, etc..

Other than using HCGenerate towards the end of the cycle (and I'm assuming through PCT as well), and using N2Guard throughout, are any of the anti-estrogens needed for safety? If so, during or after?

Thanks, you guys rock.


PS- I'm not being lazy. I browsed this forum for nearly 2 hours looking for this question. There are just too many threads.

I only have run two orals such as winni 4 weeks and a week or 2 of Proviron or Ananvar at 50 mg and priviron at 25........Never ran any other 2 orals before....Let us know how it goes....