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rhynoplanet
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ANybody get sides from using SARMS? I have read a few places about a risk of eye problems. THat would not be cool. What have you guys experienced in taking SARMS?
Starhopper
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I'm running triple stack now and have a little issue with vision sides. Takes a little longer to adjust when coming into a dark room. (about 10 seconds longer) Taking 50mg of S-4 split 25 am/pm. But other than that no sides at all. I did stop taking SARMS for 1 weekend (Went fishing and forgot to bring them) the vision sides were gone after 2 days.
rhynoplanet
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is that the only vision issue it can effect? Or does it affect the vision in other ways as well?
There's a few threads that Dylan G, goes into depth on it, it's very helpful
Not the long term ones. No one knows what will happen in 10-30 years with SARM user. And if someone telling you, there are no sides, that's a joke. At the moment it's impossible to establish the whole side effect profile. Maybe in ten years there will be a bigger knowledge about it.
But in short term, I only had with S4 some vision issues but you can minimize the side effects with a 5on-2off scheme. The stuff from S1 is really good and potent you can't go wrong with them.
rhynoplanet
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Great points. Thanks. I am on the fence about trying SARMS, too new of a product for anybody to really know about sides.
If you want to stay on the safer side, use second generation SARM like Ostarine (MK-2866) and the old LGD-4033 (now named VK-5211 due to selling to Viking Therapeutics) only. S4 is the only SARM which is a 1st Generation SARM (the researches are now canceled for ever due to the useless results which can't transferred on humans proberly due to the NAT expression).
But indeed, S4 is still interesting with its androgen effects and acts itself very powerful. Interesting for people with a low fat percentage or people who want more power in their sets.
With Ostarine (researches are very advanced) and VK (formerly LGD-4033, also advanced but not that far as Ostarine) you have two more or less "safe" components.
bro only sarm with any real sides is andarine s4 and those have to do with light vision issues...read...http://www.evolutionary.org/andarine-s4-side-effects-vision
S4 has vision sides and minor suppression, LGD probably has the most suppression but still minimal compared to AAS especially if layout is on point.. Everyone responds to S4 vision sides differently just like with everything... I ran 100mg/day of S4 and yea I got a little yellow tints when driving at night and took my eyes a little longer to adapt but you don't go blind bro.. After a few days of discontinued use it all goes back to normal.. And its always recommended to taper up slowly, and you can always taper down if the sides are too much
I'm a first-time SARM user, 3 weeks into a 12 week cycle. Zero side effects using ostarine, LGD, and cardarine from Sarms1. Can't comment on andarine/S1.
No one knows if there are any long term effects (years down the road) but I have a hard time believing they're any higher risk than the lipid, blood pressure, and anti-inflammatory medications that docs hand out like candy nowadays and put folks on for life . . .
No one knows if there are any long term effects (years down the road) but I have a hard time believing they're any higher risk than the lipid, blood pressure, and anti-inflammatory medications that docs hand out like candy nowadays and put folks on for life . . .
nelson montana
<b>V.I.P. - Author</b>
As with steroids, there will be people who exaggerate the dangers and then you have those who love the stuff and will defend it no matter what and insist it's perfectly safe. Both sides are working from a perspective of comfort. It's easier to think in absolutes.
The truth always lies somewhere in the middle.
The truth always lies somewhere in the middle.
True. A further aspect is the tough guidelines to develop a drug in comparison to 20 years ago. Additionally, the studies with 9mg/ed Ostarine over six month are finished (results coming soon). But in their (GTX inc.) financial report they gave us a litte insight of the study-results (which are like expected and the original compound is well tolerated). They plan to increase in the next study the daily amount from 9mg to 18mg (again over six months).
But don't be too exciting, better stay on the "safer" side and act responsible (if we can say that on research chemicals, lol).
But never forget: S4 won't be researched anymore. Any risks are absolutely unpredictable. The problem is (as said some posts before) in the NAT expression. The metabolites M1 and M2 are the most "dangerous" for humans (of total 12). They can affect the mRNA to "destroy" the copied information from the DNA. So, if the mRNA pass on damaged informations what does that mean? In case of the M1 (affect occular and heart receptors) the damaged mRNA can lead to a permanet vision problem (night blindness or yellowish tint could became permanent). The body is able to repair only in some amount the damaged DNA (therefore no unlimited repairs, otherwise we would be superhumans, lol).
The mainproblem is now: is this theory from animals also transferrable on humans (because of the NAT difference)? Yes, no? We won't know that. That's a risk, which we always should have in our brains.
Also agree with nelson montana. Well said.
This is the main reason I don't no about sarms.
nelson montana
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It's all relative. In dosages that produce equal results? I'll take test over sarms. Also, steroids have extensive studies whereas the studies on sarms are very limited and have yet to be approved for human consumption.
This is it.
s4 is the only sarm that can cause eye problems.Its bad for some and nil for others.
the_waco_kid
Buff Brother
Fuck if they are 'light'. I couldn't see anything at night and it took about 3 minutes when coming inside for my eyes to adjust. Of course it is different for everyone, but for me, never again. That's some scary shit. I don't like anything that messes with my eyesight.
Every Chem or AAS has some sort of side effect (s). It's up to the individual to decide what he is willing to risk.
the_waco_kid
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F'ing bingo - exactly right NM
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