Small cycle question

[craftedpacket]

43 years old. 6'2 195-203lbs. Was out of serious gym time for quite a while. Worked out in home gym off-on for years plus farm chores. I have only ran one cycle in the past, many years ago of Test/EQ. Been going to the gym 5 days a week, every week for almost a year now. After two years of bloods showing LowT I started testosterone in Feb. According to a Dexa in January and again last month I put on about 8lbs of lean mass. I am currently taking 200mg test/week. Started out pinning once a week and then went to pinning 3x week to try to reduce sides. Started getting slightly sore nipples and back acne. I have taken small dose AI a few times after noticing the nipple soreness but it went away after switching to 3x week. After lots of research I am now trying daily.

Bloods before switching to 3x week test.

Iron, total 111 mcg/dL
Ferritin 38 ng/mL
Hemoglobin / Hgb / Hb 16.8 g/dL
Hematocrit 49.4%
Total cholesterol 213 mg/dL High
HDL-C 62 mg/dL
Triglycerides 60 mg/dL
LDL-C 136 mg/dL High
Chol/HDL ratio 3.4
Non-HDL cholesterol 151 mg/dL High
ApoB 109 mg/dL High
hs-CRP <0.2 mg/L
Homocysteine 8.5 umol/L
Total testosterone, MS 1648 ng/dL High
Free testosterone 402.1 pg/mL High
SHBG 17 nmol/L
Estradiol, ultrasensitive LC/MS 109 pg/mL High
DHEA-S 148 mcg/dL
Cortisol, total 9.0 mcg/dL
TSH 1.45 mIU/L
PSA, total 0.61 ng/mL


On test I have been feeling great. I have also ran some GLOW for a nagging rotator cuff and finishing up a run of tesa. Would really like to put on about 10 more lbs and then lean out some more. Want to try a run of bumping up test hopefully without blowing up my E2 even more. I have been reading about running primo with the test, if for nothing else a better option to other AI's. What are thoughts on running test at 300mg for a bit and adding on 100-150mg primo? Would I see any benefits from primo other than hopefully reduced E2. I don't know what my estradiol is sitting at currently since changing my test frequency. Due for bloods in a few weeks to see but I haven't been having any sides. There are a lot of mixed emotions out there on estradiol levels with many doctors not really caring about the actual level vs how you feel. I am done having kids and don't really care about the size of my balls so normal PCT is not really a concern, not currently running HCG.

 

[craftedpacket]

Other supplements I am taking:
Creatine 5mg daily
Thorne Basic Nutrients 2/Day
Thorne Super EPA Pro
Thorne Vitamin D 5000
Life Extension Super K
Life Extension Super Ubiquinol CoQ10
Pure Encapsulations Ultra Zinc 3 x week
Copper 2x week
Pure Encapsulations Beta-Sitosterol
Pure encapsulations magnesium
Psyllium Husk

 

[stevesmi]

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43 years old. 6'2 195-203lbs. Was out of serious gym time for quite a while. Worked out in home gym off-on for years plus farm chores. I have only ran one cycle in the past, many years ago of Test/EQ. Been going to the gym 5 days a week, every week for almost a year now. After two years of bloods showing LowT I started testosterone in Feb. According to a Dexa in January and again last month I put on about 8lbs of lean mass. I am currently taking 200mg test/week. Started out pinning once a week and then went to pinning 3x week to try to reduce sides. Started getting slightly sore nipples and back acne. I have taken small dose AI a few times after noticing the nipple soreness but it went away after switching to 3x week. After lots of research I am now trying daily.

Bloods before switching to 3x week test.

Iron, total 111 mcg/dL
Ferritin 38 ng/mL
Hemoglobin / Hgb / Hb 16.8 g/dL
Hematocrit 49.4%
Total cholesterol 213 mg/dL High
HDL-C 62 mg/dL
Triglycerides 60 mg/dL
LDL-C 136 mg/dL High
Chol/HDL ratio 3.4
Non-HDL cholesterol 151 mg/dL High
ApoB 109 mg/dL High
hs-CRP <0.2 mg/L
Homocysteine 8.5 umol/L
Total testosterone, MS 1648 ng/dL High
Free testosterone 402.1 pg/mL High
SHBG 17 nmol/L
Estradiol, ultrasensitive LC/MS 109 pg/mL High
DHEA-S 148 mcg/dL
Cortisol, total 9.0 mcg/dL
TSH 1.45 mIU/L
PSA, total 0.61 ng/mL


On test I have been feeling great. I have also ran some GLOW for a nagging rotator cuff and finishing up a run of tesa. Would really like to put on about 10 more lbs and then lean out some more. Want to try a run of bumping up test hopefully without blowing up my E2 even more. I have been reading about running primo with the test, if for nothing else a better option to other AI's. What are thoughts on running test at 300mg for a bit and adding on 100-150mg primo? Would I see any benefits from primo other than hopefully reduced E2. I don't know what my estradiol is sitting at currently since changing my test frequency. Due for bloods in a few weeks to see but I haven't been having any sides. There are a lot of mixed emotions out there on estradiol levels with many doctors not really caring about the actual level vs how you feel. I am done having kids and don't really care about the size of my balls so normal PCT is not really a concern, not currently running HCG.

the estrogen thing is asked about all the time. the truth is guestimating what happens to you can be done, but the reality is everyone is different. so you can experiment and get bloods to see how your body reacts

 

[craftedpacket]

the estrogen thing is asked about all the time. the truth is guestimating what happens to you can be done, but the reality is everyone is different. so you can experiment and get bloods to see how your body reacts

Thank you. Any thoughts on adding primo to the test?

 

[stevesmi]

Thank you. Any thoughts on adding primo to the test?

sure why not

 

[toddthelineman]

What are thoughts on running test at 300mg for a bit and adding on 100-150mg primo

I'm not mad about it.

Would I see any benefits from primo other than hopefully reduced E2

Overtime, probably. Don't expect to transform or split your jeans

I don't know what my estradiol is sitting at currently since changing my test frequency.

You'll want to know. Regular e2 tests and sensitive e2 tests are not the same, I found that out

here are a lot of mixed emotions out there on estradiol levels with many doctors not really caring about the actual level vs how you feel.

I went through that. YouTube jerks saying e2 100 ng/dl was fine and healthy and feels good. I did feel pretty good, you know, crying a little over good songs hahaha. and bacne, and sensitive nipples. a little aromasin showed me the truth. In range is better. I think it's possible to grow more with a bit higher e2 but that is just a hare brained idea and zero facts backing that up

 

[LevButlerov]

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43 years old. 6'2 195-203lbs. Was out of serious gym time for quite a while. Worked out in home gym off-on for years plus farm chores. I have only ran one cycle in the past, many years ago of Test/EQ. Been going to the gym 5 days a week, every week for almost a year now. After two years of bloods showing LowT I started testosterone in Feb. According to a Dexa in January and again last month I put on about 8lbs of lean mass. I am currently taking 200mg test/week. Started out pinning once a week and then went to pinning 3x week to try to reduce sides. Started getting slightly sore nipples and back acne. I have taken small dose AI a few times after noticing the nipple soreness but it went away after switching to 3x week. After lots of research I am now trying daily.

Bloods before switching to 3x week test.

Iron, total 111 mcg/dL
Ferritin 38 ng/mL
Hemoglobin / Hgb / Hb 16.8 g/dL
Hematocrit 49.4%
Total cholesterol 213 mg/dL High
HDL-C 62 mg/dL
Triglycerides 60 mg/dL
LDL-C 136 mg/dL High
Chol/HDL ratio 3.4
Non-HDL cholesterol 151 mg/dL High
ApoB 109 mg/dL High
hs-CRP <0.2 mg/L
Homocysteine 8.5 umol/L
Total testosterone, MS 1648 ng/dL High
Free testosterone 402.1 pg/mL High
SHBG 17 nmol/L
Estradiol, ultrasensitive LC/MS 109 pg/mL High
DHEA-S 148 mcg/dL
Cortisol, total 9.0 mcg/dL
TSH 1.45 mIU/L
PSA, total 0.61 ng/mL


On test I have been feeling great. I have also ran some GLOW for a nagging rotator cuff and finishing up a run of tesa. Would really like to put on about 10 more lbs and then lean out some more. Want to try a run of bumping up test hopefully without blowing up my E2 even more. I have been reading about running primo with the test, if for nothing else a better option to other AI's. What are thoughts on running test at 300mg for a bit and adding on 100-150mg primo? Would I see any benefits from primo other than hopefully reduced E2. I don't know what my estradiol is sitting at currently since changing my test frequency. Due for bloods in a few weeks to see but I haven't been having any sides. There are a lot of mixed emotions out there on estradiol levels with many doctors not really caring about the actual level vs how you feel. I am done having kids and don't really care about the size of my balls so normal PCT is not really a concern, not currently running HCG.

Other supplements I am taking:
Creatine 5mg daily
Thorne Basic Nutrients 2/Day
Thorne Super EPA Pro
Thorne Vitamin D 5000
Life Extension Super K
Life Extension Super Ubiquinol CoQ10
Pure Encapsulations Ultra Zinc 3 x week
Copper 2x week
Pure Encapsulations Beta-Sitosterol
Pure encapsulations magnesium
Psyllium Husk

welcome tot he EVO family @craftedpacket you look good, clean base, but we need to know more about you.
You need a full TRT log before touching 300mg test or adding Primo because your total test was 1648, free test 402, e2 109, LDL 136 and ApoB 109 already on 200mg, and changing pin frequency does not replace seeing the full trend.
Get the log up now with bodyweight, cals and macros, training weights, sleep, BP, pin schedule, nipple or acne sides, and your next bloods so the EVO family can see how you respond and help you add size without guessing. 15min of your time to start

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

• Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
• Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
• The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
• Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
• We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
• Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My TRT cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

 

[ROIDDERS]

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43 years old. 6'2 195-203lbs. Was out of serious gym time for quite a while. Worked out in home gym off-on for years plus farm chores. I have only ran one cycle in the past, many years ago of Test/EQ. Been going to the gym 5 days a week, every week for almost a year now. After two years of bloods showing LowT I started testosterone in Feb. According to a Dexa in January and again last month I put on about 8lbs of lean mass. I am currently taking 200mg test/week. Started out pinning once a week and then went to pinning 3x week to try to reduce sides. Started getting slightly sore nipples and back acne. I have taken small dose AI a few times after noticing the nipple soreness but it went away after switching to 3x week. After lots of research I am now trying daily.

Bloods before switching to 3x week test.

Iron, total 111 mcg/dL
Ferritin 38 ng/mL
Hemoglobin / Hgb / Hb 16.8 g/dL
Hematocrit 49.4%
Total cholesterol 213 mg/dL High
HDL-C 62 mg/dL
Triglycerides 60 mg/dL
LDL-C 136 mg/dL High
Chol/HDL ratio 3.4
Non-HDL cholesterol 151 mg/dL High
ApoB 109 mg/dL High
hs-CRP <0.2 mg/L
Homocysteine 8.5 umol/L
Total testosterone, MS 1648 ng/dL High
Free testosterone 402.1 pg/mL High
SHBG 17 nmol/L
Estradiol, ultrasensitive LC/MS 109 pg/mL High
DHEA-S 148 mcg/dL
Cortisol, total 9.0 mcg/dL
TSH 1.45 mIU/L
PSA, total 0.61 ng/mL


On test I have been feeling great. I have also ran some GLOW for a nagging rotator cuff and finishing up a run of tesa. Would really like to put on about 10 more lbs and then lean out some more. Want to try a run of bumping up test hopefully without blowing up my E2 even more. I have been reading about running primo with the test, if for nothing else a better option to other AI's. What are thoughts on running test at 300mg for a bit and adding on 100-150mg primo? Would I see any benefits from primo other than hopefully reduced E2. I don't know what my estradiol is sitting at currently since changing my test frequency. Due for bloods in a few weeks to see but I haven't been having any sides. There are a lot of mixed emotions out there on estradiol levels with many doctors not really caring about the actual level vs how you feel. I am done having kids and don't really care about the size of my balls so normal PCT is not really a concern, not currently running HCG.

Everybody is going to be different as others have said. Some people are very sensitive to estrogen and some people aren't.

 

[ceo]

Other supplements I am taking:
Creatine 5mg daily
Thorne Basic Nutrients 2/Day
Thorne Super EPA Pro
Thorne Vitamin D 5000
Life Extension Super K
Life Extension Super Ubiquinol CoQ10
Pure Encapsulations Ultra Zinc 3 x week
Copper 2x week
Pure Encapsulations Beta-Sitosterol
Pure encapsulations magnesium
Psyllium Husk

bros that is a great list. @craftedpacket lots of good supps to choose from. i like the husk

 

[Mobster]

Try tasking test back to 180mg

 

[Ulter]

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43 years old. 6'2 195-203lbs. Was out of serious gym time for quite a while. Worked out in home gym off-on for years plus farm chores. I have only ran one cycle in the past, many years ago of Test/EQ. Been going to the gym 5 days a week, every week for almost a year now. After two years of bloods showing LowT I started testosterone in Feb. According to a Dexa in January and again last month I put on about 8lbs of lean mass. I am currently taking 200mg test/week. Started out pinning once a week and then went to pinning 3x week to try to reduce sides. Started getting slightly sore nipples and back acne. I have taken small dose AI a few times after noticing the nipple soreness but it went away after switching to 3x week. After lots of research I am now trying daily.

Bloods before switching to 3x week test.

Iron, total 111 mcg/dL
Ferritin 38 ng/mL
Hemoglobin / Hgb / Hb 16.8 g/dL
Hematocrit 49.4%
Total cholesterol 213 mg/dL High
HDL-C 62 mg/dL
Triglycerides 60 mg/dL
LDL-C 136 mg/dL High
Chol/HDL ratio 3.4
Non-HDL cholesterol 151 mg/dL High
ApoB 109 mg/dL High
hs-CRP <0.2 mg/L
Homocysteine 8.5 umol/L
Total testosterone, MS 1648 ng/dL High
Free testosterone 402.1 pg/mL High
SHBG 17 nmol/L
Estradiol, ultrasensitive LC/MS 109 pg/mL High
DHEA-S 148 mcg/dL
Cortisol, total 9.0 mcg/dL
TSH 1.45 mIU/L
PSA, total 0.61 ng/mL


On test I have been feeling great. I have also ran some GLOW for a nagging rotator cuff and finishing up a run of tesa. Would really like to put on about 10 more lbs and then lean out some more. Want to try a run of bumping up test hopefully without blowing up my E2 even more. I have been reading about running primo with the test, if for nothing else a better option to other AI's. What are thoughts on running test at 300mg for a bit and adding on 100-150mg primo? Would I see any benefits from primo other than hopefully reduced E2. I don't know what my estradiol is sitting at currently since changing my test frequency. Due for bloods in a few weeks to see but I haven't been having any sides. There are a lot of mixed emotions out there on estradiol levels with many doctors not really caring about the actual level vs how you feel. I am done having kids and don't really care about the size of my balls so normal PCT is not really a concern, not currently running HCG.

@craftedpacket so you planning or doing trt or not? keep in mind once you go on trt its for life. at your age its something to consider after this cycle

 

[2Thick]

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43 years old. 6'2 195-203lbs. Was out of serious gym time for quite a while. Worked out in home gym off-on for years plus farm chores. I have only ran one cycle in the past, many years ago of Test/EQ. Been going to the gym 5 days a week, every week for almost a year now. After two years of bloods showing LowT I started testosterone in Feb. According to a Dexa in January and again last month I put on about 8lbs of lean mass. I am currently taking 200mg test/week. Started out pinning once a week and then went to pinning 3x week to try to reduce sides. Started getting slightly sore nipples and back acne. I have taken small dose AI a few times after noticing the nipple soreness but it went away after switching to 3x week. After lots of research I am now trying daily.

Bloods before switching to 3x week test.

Iron, total 111 mcg/dL
Ferritin 38 ng/mL
Hemoglobin / Hgb / Hb 16.8 g/dL
Hematocrit 49.4%
Total cholesterol 213 mg/dL High
HDL-C 62 mg/dL
Triglycerides 60 mg/dL
LDL-C 136 mg/dL High
Chol/HDL ratio 3.4
Non-HDL cholesterol 151 mg/dL High
ApoB 109 mg/dL High
hs-CRP <0.2 mg/L
Homocysteine 8.5 umol/L
Total testosterone, MS 1648 ng/dL High
Free testosterone 402.1 pg/mL High
SHBG 17 nmol/L
Estradiol, ultrasensitive LC/MS 109 pg/mL High
DHEA-S 148 mcg/dL
Cortisol, total 9.0 mcg/dL
TSH 1.45 mIU/L
PSA, total 0.61 ng/mL


On test I have been feeling great. I have also ran some GLOW for a nagging rotator cuff and finishing up a run of tesa. Would really like to put on about 10 more lbs and then lean out some more. Want to try a run of bumping up test hopefully without blowing up my E2 even more. I have been reading about running primo with the test, if for nothing else a better option to other AI's. What are thoughts on running test at 300mg for a bit and adding on 100-150mg primo? Would I see any benefits from primo other than hopefully reduced E2. I don't know what my estradiol is sitting at currently since changing my test frequency. Due for bloods in a few weeks to see but I haven't been having any sides. There are a lot of mixed emotions out there on estradiol levels with many doctors not really caring about the actual level vs how you feel. I am done having kids and don't really care about the size of my balls so normal PCT is not really a concern, not currently running HCG.

estrogen is not complicated. just keep it level and balanced.

 

[craftedpacket]

@craftedpacket so you planning or doing trt or not? keep in mind once you go on trt its for life. at your age its something to consider after this cycle

Ive been on trt since feb and not going back.

 

[craftedpacket]

welcome tot he EVO family @craftedpacket you look good, clean base, but we need to know more about you.
You need a full TRT log before touching 300mg test or adding Primo because your total test was 1648, free test 402, e2 109, LDL 136 and ApoB 109 already on 200mg, and changing pin frequency does not replace seeing the full trend.
Get the log up now with bodyweight, cals and macros, training weights, sleep, BP, pin schedule, nipple or acne sides, and your next bloods so the EVO family can see how you respond and help you add size without guessing. 15min of your time to start

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

• Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
• Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
• The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
• Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
• We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
• Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My TRT cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

Thank you. I will start working on that.

 

[craftedpacket]

sure why not

If I was going to do that would I add the primo at 100-150 a week, once a week or split it with my test pins?

 

[stevesmi]

If I was going to do that would I add the primo at 100-150 a week, once a week or split it with my test pins?

i've always done primo much higher. more like 400mgs+

 

[craftedpacket]

i've always done primo much higher. more like 400mgs+

with what levels of test?

 

[stevesmi]

with what levels of test?

last time i did primo i did like 500mgs of it along with 200-250 test.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thank you. I will start working on that.

perfect

 

[Ulter]

Ive been on trt since feb and not going back.

gotcha