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Kurt1

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I did a search but only found cycle logs and stuff.

I know when running tren for a cutting phase you don't need high test but what would be an ideal limit.

300-350 mg per week? Or is that too much?

I guess what I'm wondering is what would be considered too low?

Also, can test cyp be used for a cut. I know a lot of guys say it bloats you, but I would think at a low dose and with a good diet and an AI you'd be fine. Am I wrong?

I ask because I have a lot of cyp from the doctor.
 
Lower than HRT doses is too low. so 100-150mg/wk.

You need to replace your endogenous T levels.

I'd go with 250mg/wk though, so you get some benefit from it, whilst keeping Test based sides down.
 
I would use roughly 200-250mg. And you can cut with test C. Most people bloat because A) they use too much B) too little AI or C) shit diet
 
People are going to disagree with this but I'm gonna put it out there.
You can cut with any type of test.
Low test with tren is personal preference, you can run it high and still cut.
You can even cut while running very high test doses with no tren and have fantastic results. I'm talking a gram a week here. The KEY is to manage your estrogen properly and watch that diet.
If you are in tune with your body and give it the right fuel high test can do you a world of good.
Now, I'm sure you aren't gonna listen too much to that so to answer your question a dose of 200 to 250 mg per week of test will keep you functioning on your tren run. However the idea that there is a number that becomes "too much" is misguided. It's only too much if you are not managing it correctly.
 
Bigbird138 said:
People are going to disagree with this but I'm gonna put it out there.
You can cut with any type of test.
Low test with tren is personal preference, you can run it high and still cut.
You can even cut while running very high test doses with no tren and have fantastic results. I'm talking a gram a week here. The KEY is to manage your estrogen properly and watch that diet.
If you are in tune with your body and give it the right fuel high test can do you a world of good.
Now, I'm sure you aren't gonna listen too much to that so to answer your question a dose of 200 to 250 mg per week of test will keep you functioning on your tren run. However the idea that there is a number that becomes "too much" is misguided. It's only too much if you are not managing it correctly.
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Larger testosterone doses have been proven to burn more fat, up to a threshold obviously. Agreed.

Its the water weight that you need to keep off, with some thing like Letro.
 
Steroidal said:
Wouldn't suggest in on competitions day, or a couple of weeks before, but it will increase fat oxidation.
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No of course not, you should actually reduce leading up to competition and shortly before completely stop test to get as dry as possible.
But for the average meathead test does a lot more than many of us realize.
 
thats a very high hrt dose...my dr first prescribed me 1ml every 3 weeks...i told him it was to low and it's now .5 a week. My blood levels are in the 800 range with that dose. The days of me using 750mg or more of test a week are over. I get everything i need at 300-350 a week. I am however taking 2ml every six days for now to blow me up real qucik lol. also...you need less dose of human grade gear imo...the stuff is so good.
 
Kurt1 said:
I did a search but only found cycle logs and stuff.

I know when running tren for a cutting phase you don't need high test but what would be an ideal limit.

300-350 mg per week? Or is that too much?

I guess what I'm wondering is what would be considered too low?

Also, can test cyp be used for a cut. I know a lot of guys say it bloats you, but I would think at a low dose and with a good diet and an AI you'd be fine. Am I wrong?

I ask because I have a lot of cyp from the doctor.
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dude any steroid can be used for cutting/bulking.. obviously some other better at one than the other.. your diet and training determines everything not the sauce.. And yes 300-350 if fine.. I'm sorry but more is not always better but some meats are gonna tell you I run 800+ test and 800+tren for breakfast, yea dude that's funny because I'm still a lot more cut than you and a lot fucking stronger and I never go over 500 on either. Diet + Training + Diet
 
thekid7 said:
dude any steroid can be used for cutting/bulking.. obviously some other better at one than the other.. your diet and training determines everything not the sauce.. And yes 300-350 if fine.. I'm sorry but more is not always better but some meats are gonna tell you I run 800+ test and 800+tren for breakfast, yea dude that's funny because I'm still a lot more cut than you and a lot fucking stronger and I never go over 500 on either. Diet + Training + Diet
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exactly...some don't realize that it needs to be synergistic...To high a dose throws of the whole processes and not only a point of diminishing returns...but synthesis can suffer if you aren't sleeping well enough for example. every single body is different. I respond well to low dosses and generally very sensitive to medication in general. Some might need more.
 
Thanks a lot for the replies

I'm sure it seems like a petty issue I just wanted to make sure I grasped it

So I'm gonna go with 300 a week cyp

2 questions though

1.) I was thinking of using prop the last 4 weeks or so so it clears faster and the prop I have is 100 mg per ml.i dose the cyp twice per week but I hear differing opinions on prop, ED EOD etc.
I'm thinking of going to 350 mg per week when I switch to prop and doing 50 mg ED. Sound good?

2.) with estrogen control on a cut (where water weight is a no no) do you think aromasin is still good or should I go with something like letro? Maybe use the letro in the later portion of the cycle?

Thanks for any and help and my apologies if I sound like a dumbass
 
1) with prop EOD injections are fine, no need for everyday.
2) you DO NOT want to use letro unless you run into some serious estro problems, it crash your estro. You should be fine with aromasin at 12.5 mg eod. Particularly considering your test dose. Start there and if needed adjust up.
You do have caber or prami to control prolactin when you are taking tren, correct?
 
Kurt1 said:
Thanks a lot for the replies

I'm sure it seems like a petty issue I just wanted to make sure I grasped it

So I'm gonna go with 300 a week cyp

2 questions though

1.) I was thinking of using prop the last 4 weeks or so so it clears faster and the prop I have is 100 mg per ml.i dose the cyp twice per week but I hear differing opinions on prop, ED EOD etc.
I'm thinking of going to 350 mg per week when I switch to prop and doing 50 mg ED. Sound good?

2.) with estrogen control on a cut (where water weight is a no no) do you think aromasin is still good or should I go with something like letro? Maybe use the letro in the later portion of the cycle?

Thanks for any and help and my apologies if I sound like a dumbass
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Why switch it if you don't have to? So it clears faster doesn't make much sense to me unless your getting tested which you aren't so theres no need to switch to prop, if anything you start with prop until the cyp hits peak levels. Aromasin is perfect man, bloat is often misunderstood you'd be suprised at how much YOU control it, but again everyone responds differently. 12.5mgEoD is the standard protocol and you adjust from there.. And no you don't need to result to letro man unless you absolutely must and even so I wouldn't could just up the aromasin but unless your extremely estro prone that won't be an issue.. And yea man you really need caber if you are running tren, prolactin can be a bitch. You need to keep researching before starting this cycle, make sure everything is in check and your PCT is ALL in check before starting this, do shit the right way and it will limit sides and increase success
 
Thanks a ton

Yep
I've got caber for the portion of the cycle that contains tren

My pct is as follows

Weeks 1-5 clomid at 50/50/25/25/12.5
Nolvadex at 40/40/20/20/10
Aromasin at whatever dose I was taking on cycle for the first 2 weeks
Then dwindle it out over the following 2 weeks
Caber will be the same protocol as the aromasin
Some type of natty test booster

Organ guard supps too
 
Oh yeah

I was thinking prop for not just it clearing quicker but also incase there was a bit of bloat I probably would lose it on prop

But the more I think about it I think with a low dose of test like that and an AI and the fact that my diet is clean I won't need to worry about bloat, plus the tren will probably help with that anyways

I think I'll take you advice and use some light prop at the beginning until the cyp kicks in
Like 100 mg EOD

Thanks again
I definitely appreciate the help
 
many guys think that short esters are better for cutting and long esters are better for bulking

I've really never considered it cause I hate injecting and suffer from PIP issues more than others so I cannot confirm if this is true from experience but the science says it has SOME validity
 
What ester are you running on the Tren? If you're running Ace why not run the Prop from the get go?

You mentioned having a ton of Cyp from the doc, so your quality with the Cyp will be greater than any Prop you will find, so if you switch those the last 4week's thats a consideration to factor in too.

I personally like short esters. Good hunting!
 
I am using tren ace

However I'm gonna run test, EQ and tren.

Now I wanna ease into this cut over a period of time, and I want to give the EQ time to really shine so I was thinking 16 weeks total for the low test and the EQ alone.
I'm not gonna run the tren for longer than 6-8 weeks though.

I don't wanna use prop the whole 16 weeks cuz that would be a ton of injecting, lol.

I was thinking 10 weeks of test cyp and 6 weeks of prop for the last 6 weeks, with the EQ throughout.
How does this sound?

Also, with the tren, do you think I should add it in the beginning or the end of the cycle?
I was thinking I would do it the last 6-8 weeks when my cut was really up to swing so the tren could really do it's thing?

Thanks for all the replies, and again, sorry for sounding like a dumbass I just wanna know everything I can about these compounds. Especially with tren, it will be my first time using that particular compound and I wanna be prepared.
Thanks again
 
You'll have to decide what you are gonna do with that prop but I think you are over thinking this now. No need to switch to prop for your last six weeks. Just doesn't make sense. Last two weeks before pct sure, first four weeks as a kickstart, sure.
Now, as to the tren A I would definitely put it back in. As your cycle goes on your body will make some adjustments as it becomes accustomed to the drugs you are introducing. Introducing tren later on in the cycle really kicks that in the balls. So I'd definitely do it that way.
 
You are making this way too complicated dude. Here is what I'd do

1-16 Test Cyp 400mg/week . If you want the prop which you don't need whatsoever use it first 2 weeks
1-16 EQ 800mg/week
8-16 Tren Ace 400-600mg /week . Don't know your preference but I like tren higher than test

Front load the EQ if you want
 
Everybody is going to be different, and you will get different answers. As has been said, you can cut or bulk on any steroid, and it really doesn't matter the ester you use for either goal. Water retention is controlled with AI dose and diet. I prefer my test at a higher dose most of the time, and with Tren after trying every combination imaginable, I find that having my Test and Tren about even seems to give me the best results regardless of dose. For example my best cycle was last summer where I ran 600mg of Test along with 600mg of Tren and 600mg of Masteron each week. I'm also having incredible results right now with everything even once again running Tren A, TestP, and Mast P at 100mg EOD each
 
A lot of great answers on here, this forum is a real find.

Diet and training will give you the desired result with the AAS contributing to your final piece.
 
Yeah everyone is different. I like my test low. I go no higher than 150-200mg per week and still use A low dose AI with it. Less estrogen equals less sides most of the time.
 
I know quite a few guys who run 100mg tes e, tren e. they love it.

all use it as trt. sometimes throw in short blasts or use a bit of drol
 
Bigbird138 said:
People are going to disagree with this but I'm gonna put it out there.
You can cut with any type of test.
Low test with tren is personal preference, you can run it high and still cut.
You can even cut while running very high test doses with no tren and have fantastic results. I'm talking a gram a week here. The KEY is to manage your estrogen properly and watch that diet.
If you are in tune with your body and give it the right fuel high test can do you a world of good.
Now, I'm sure you aren't gonna listen too much to that so to answer your question a dose of 200 to 250 mg per week of test will keep you functioning on your tren run. However the idea that there is a number that becomes "too much" is misguided. It's only too much if you are not managing it correctly.
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i don't disagree on most of this... your exactly right that you can cut on any type of ester... i run cyp ALL YEAR LONG... okay... i have 3/4 of my clients that are cutting and generally all of them are on cyp... that is the most absurd shit i have ever heard... ALL esters convert to estrogen, all can either cause bloat or be controlled... i just simply don't ever see the need to exceed 500 mg of test per week... if it was the only choice there was then i guess i could see it but that's an entirely different topic... let's just stick to the one at hand... you are RIGHT ON THE MONEY that any ester can be used for cutting and the sad part of your post is you had to actually say you knew so many would disagree... it's sad because your absolutely right and it should be the complete opposite... well said bro...
 
bro, your overcomplicating this to the highest extent... don't switch esters like that and blah blah blah... that's so unnecessary... let me fix this for you...

1-16 test cyp 350 mg week
1-16 eq 800 mg week
1-8 tren ace 100 mg eod
1-18 proviron 50 mg day
1-18 aromasin 12.5 mg eod www.ag-guys.com
1-8 dostinex .5 mg e3d
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m. www.sarms1.com
5-18 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout… www.sarms1.com
7-18 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m. www.sarms1.com
5-16 HcGenerate n2bm.com
17-18 hcg 1000 ius week
13-18 winstrol 50 mg day www.n2bm.com
13-18 n2guard www.n2bm.com

pct 19-22

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com

nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com

aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com

hcgemerate es www.n2bm.com

n2guard n2bm.com
mk-2866 25 mg day www.sarms1.com

gw-501516 20 mg day www.sarms1.com
 
Thanks a ton Dylan, that looks pretty much like what I'm shooting for, except for the sarms, I'm gonna have to order those (I've heard many good things).

One question, now, with this cutter I'm gonna ease into it over time so with that in mind do you think it might be better for me to run the tren the last 8 weeks instead? This way it can really shine and do it's thing when my cut is in full swing.

Thanks again man, your help is invaluable.
 
dylangemelli said:
bro, your overcomplicating this to the highest extent... don't switch esters like that and blah blah blah... that's so unnecessary... let me fix this for you...

1-16 test cyp 350 mg week
1-16 eq 800 mg week
1-8 tren ace 100 mg eod
1-18 proviron 50 mg day
1-18 aromasin 12.5 mg eod www.ag-guys.com
1-8 dostinex .5 mg e3d
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m. www.sarms1.com
5-18 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout… www.sarms1.com
7-18 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m. www.sarms1.com
5-16 HcGenerate n2bm.com
17-18 hcg 1000 ius week
13-18 winstrol 50 mg day www.n2bm.com
13-18 n2guard www.n2bm.com

pct 19-22

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com

nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com

aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com

hcgemerate es www.n2bm.com

n2guard n2bm.com
mk-2866 25 mg day www.sarms1.com

gw-501516 20 mg day www.sarms1.com
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Haven't cycled in 10 years. There is a few compounds I've never heard of in this cycle. dostinex..?? lgd..Cardarine..?? And a few more. I will look them up...care to expound a little on them. Back in my day..cycles were simple lol.
 
Kurt1 said:
Thanks a ton Dylan, that looks pretty much like what I'm shooting for, except for the sarms, I'm gonna have to order those (I've heard many good things).

One question, now, with this cutter I'm gonna ease into it over time so with that in mind do you think it might be better for me to run the tren the last 8 weeks instead? This way it can really shine and do it's thing when my cut is in full swing.

Thanks again man, your help is invaluable.
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you can run it on the back end if you want but i would rather you run tren on the front and winstrol on the back...
 
Dreaux said:
Haven't cycled in 10 years. There is a few compounds I've never heard of in this cycle. dostinex..?? lgd..Cardarine..?? And a few more. I will look them up...care to expound a little on them. Back in my day..cycles were simple lol.
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Caber is amazing. The rest I have never used but I will always recommend caber to anyone doing tren or DECA
 
Kurt1 said:
I did a search but only found cycle logs and stuff.

I know when running tren for a cutting phase you don't need high test but what would be an ideal limit.

300-350 mg per week? Or is that too much?

I guess what I'm wondering is what would be considered too low?

Also, can test cyp be used for a cut. I know a lot of guys say it bloats you, but I would think at a low dose and with a good diet and an AI you'd be fine. Am I wrong?

I ask because I have a lot of cyp from the doctor.
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i would say run atleast trt dose minimal.I'm one who likes my tren higher then my test.
 
Kurt1 said:
I did a search but only found cycle logs and stuff.

I know when running tren for a cutting phase you don't need high test but what would be an ideal limit.

300-350 mg per week? Or is that too much?

I guess what I'm wondering is what would be considered too low?

Also, can test cyp be used for a cut. I know a lot of guys say it bloats you, but I would think at a low dose and with a good diet and an AI you'd be fine. Am I wrong?

I ask because I have a lot of cyp from the doctor.
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This is person dependant but for myself I would do equivalent to 300mg enanthate or at least 200mg of pure testosterone when eater is factored in. 300mg enanthate for example would be 215mg pure test. So... Factor that in for suspension or cyp or whatever you choose. That's my opinion. 200-400mg depending on ester


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bonacris said:
Caber is amazing. The rest I have never used but I will always recommend caber to anyone doing tren or DECA
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You should give them a try bro. My favorite addition to a cycle is S4.. My strength gains get ridiculous and there is a great synergy between the sarms and AAS
 
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