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Exiilez

Exiilez

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So has anyone ever ran this cycle before?
Specifically Test E, Tren E and EQ.

I've ran about 5 cycles and I've been on trt for about a year now. So it's been a little while since I've done a proper cycle. But this is the first time I'll be using Tren. I know a lot of people will probably say use Tren A. In all honesty I'm just not a fan of pinning more than twice a week (because I'm a bitch) and I already have the Tren E on hand.

So my question is, has anyone ran Tren E for their first time using it and did they have any problems that they couldn't handle?
Ultimately if it's really that big of a deal I'll use Tren A.
 
Exiilez said:
So has anyone ever ran this cycle before?
Specifically Test E, Tren E and EQ.

I've ran about 5 cycles and I've been on trt for about a year now. So it's been a little while since I've done a proper cycle. But this is the first time I'll be using Tren. I know a lot of people will probably say use Tren A. In all honesty I'm just not a fan of pinning more than twice a week (because I'm a bitch) and I already have the Tren E on hand.

So my question is, has anyone ran Tren E for their first time using it and did they have any problems that they couldn't handle?
Ultimately if it's really that big of a deal I'll use Tren A.
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The logic for tren A over tren E is that if you cant handle the sides the compound is out of your system quicker.

As long as you start at a reasonable dose (say 150-200mg/week range) and slowly increase if you want then you should be fine.

Also I believe the absorption of tren A is slightly higher than tren E meaning that say a tren a dose of 200mg/week would be equivalent to say a 250mg/week dose of tren e.
 
if its your first time running tren, you should go with ace... you dont want enanthate in your system if you cant handle it because it takes a while to get out... ive stacked the three before with great success... its a great stack but that doesnt mean it would be great for everyone..
 
Okay fair enough. I was going to initially start on 300mg but now probably I'll start on 200mg. How soon will you start to notice side effects of the Tren to know wether or not I should adjust?
 
Exiilez said:
Okay fair enough. I was going to initially start on 300mg but now probably I'll start on 200mg. How soon will you start to notice side effects of the Tren to know wether or not I should adjust?
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Assuming you run Tren Ace, you should notice sides within two weeks...sometimes sooner. It's very strong and fast acting.
 
chip0000 said:
This is because he's already got test through trt right ?
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he could run a TRT dose of test or he could drop test altogether and just resume when he comes off tren.

I dislike the idea that just cause someone is on TRT they have to stay on test while blasting. you are still getting ample androgens from that tren
 
stevesmi said:
he could run a TRT dose of test or he could drop test altogether and just resume when he comes off tren.

I dislike the idea that just cause someone is on TRT they have to stay on test while blasting. you are still getting ample androgens from that tren
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So you are suggesting a test free cycle with tren and eq?
 
Exiilez said:
So has anyone ever ran this cycle before?
Specifically Test E, Tren E and EQ.

I've ran about 5 cycles and I've been on trt for about a year now. So it's been a little while since I've done a proper cycle. But this is the first time I'll be using Tren. I know a lot of people will probably say use Tren A. In all honesty I'm just not a fan of pinning more than twice a week (because I'm a bitch) and I already have the Tren E on hand.

So my question is, has anyone ran Tren E for their first time using it and did they have any problems that they couldn't handle?
Ultimately if it's really that big of a deal I'll use Tren A.
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Genixcon said:
But just so I understand, a test base is not needed?
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This is Steve's opinion and maybe others. But I think a general consensus is that a low dose test would be a good idea. Personally, I run 300-400mg of test with tren and I know a lot of other people that do as well.

There are a lot of opinions out there...so you have to do your research and even try things on your own. The right answer is not always conclusive or one-sided.
 
I understand, I was just trying to clarify. I've never heard of tren without a test base. I've heard of people running oral only cycles
 
I trt dose test with tren. I just worry about not having a little dose of test. I was wondering if I was unaware of some mechanism that allows tren to be substituted in place of test or he was saying the combination of those two compounds are a substitute.
 
you will have less sides and recover easier without using test with tren. i have 1000's of bloodwork to prove this.

let the tren work its magic. you can stack a mild compound with tren and have great results. my best 2 cycles ever were a simple tren + var and tren +tbol cycle. low dose on both. you don't need to run a lot of gear to get great results. that is the secret sources don't want to tell you.

the whole you need test as a base on cycle, is just parroted bullshit with zero evidence. i've argued this for years on these forums and not once has someone listened to me and not come back and said they had a better cycle, less sides, and recovered faster. the funny part is that testosterone is actually MORE SUPPRESSIVE than trenbolone! so to say that using test with tren prevents suppression is completely incorrect. bloodwork does not lie
 
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stevesmi said:
you will have less sides and recover easier without using test with tren. i have 1000's of bloodwork to prove this.

let the tren work its magic. you can stack a mild compound with tren and have great results. my best 2 cycles ever were a simple tren + var and tren +tbol cycle. low dose on both. you don't need to run a lot of gear to get great results. that is the secret sources don't want to tell you.

the whole you need test as a base on cycle, is just parroted bullshit with zero evidence. i've argued this for years on these forums and not once has someone listened to me and not come back and said they had a better cycle, less sides, and recovered faster. the funny part is that testosterone is actually MORE SUPPRESSIVE than trenbolone! so to say that using test with tren prevents suppression is completely incorrect. bloodwork does not lie
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That's very interesting
 
Genixcon said:
I was following those trial where the W.H.O. was using MENT as male birth control. They werent providing a test base with those trials.
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you can do HRT with EQ, primo, and other AAS. that is common in parts of the world. in fact AIDS doctors want primo legalized so they can legally prescribe it to their patients year round

guys in the 70's and 80's never used test in their cycles and had way better physiques than the garbage perma bulker physiques we think is normal today. i've interviewed plenty of pro's from that era plus coaches and guys who wrote for the top magazines of that era and nobody ever used test in a cycle and they did just fine.

bottom line is adding test to a cycle is fine, it is more steroids, more aromatization, more androgens, and more sides. some guys love that and sometimes that is a good thing if you like running mild compounds, stacking in test is not a bad idea and I do it myself on certain cycles. I for the most part though will not use test in my cycles though. i've not heard one legitimate reason why you NEED it or else your dick will fall off or some other scare tactic. steroids are steroids, guys tend to forget all steroids were created from male hormones. deca itself is the exact replica of testosterone except for 1 atom difference.

i actually interviewed an insider in the source industry on my podcast a while back and he straight up said the reason people push test as a base in every cycle is simply because it costs less than $5 to make a vial of test so they make a huge margin on it. other steroids they barely make anything on, so of course the same way a restaurant wants to sell you alcohol or a gas station wants to sell you lottery tickets, it is all about margins. that little game started in the 90's when UGL's started popping up
 
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I don’t have the knowledge that most these guys do but I can say I work with a guy that does tren only cycles and it definitely looks like it works for him.
 
stevesmi said:
you can do HRT with EQ, primo, and other AAS. that is common in parts of the world. in fact AIDS doctors want primo legalized so they can legally prescribe it to their patients year round

guys in the 70's and 80's never used test in their cycles and had way better physiques than the garbage perma bulker physiques we think is normal today. i've interviewed plenty of pro's from that era plus coaches and guys who wrote for the top magazines of that era and nobody ever used test in a cycle and they did just fine.

bottom line is adding test to a cycle is fine, it is more steroids, more aromatization, more androgens, and more sides. some guys love that and sometimes that is a good thing if you like running mild compounds, stacking in test is not a bad idea and I do it myself on certain cycles. I for the most part though will not use test in my cycles though. i've not heard one legitimate reason why you NEED it or else your dick will fall off or some other scare tactic. steroids are steroids, guys tend to forget all steroids were created from male hormones. deca itself is the exact replica of testosterone except for 1 atom difference.

i actually interviewed an insider in the source industry on my podcast a while back and he straight up said the reason people push test as a base in every cycle is simply because it costs less than $5 to make a vial of test so they make a huge margin on it. other steroids they barely make anything on, so of course the same way a restaurant wants to sell you alcohol or a gas station wants to sell you lottery tickets, it is all about margins. that little game started in the 90's when UGL's started popping up
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Super interesting, thanks for sharing.
This goes against everything i've read and heard, so its kinda hard even to take it in and grasp it.
I'm trying to think of arguments to use testo but all I can think of is that compounds will suppress your natural test production and from experience, having no testo sucks balls but then again, I have never tried just running something else, always used testo in all my cycles, but maybe it will just compensate.
Does this apply to say, running an oral cycle only without a testo base?

Actually makes me bit tempted to try this out, I have lots of gear at home, eq, masteron, anavar, testo etc. Sadly I need to wait for doctor and treatment and even then, maybe I can never run cycles again :(
 
stevesmi said:
you can do HRT with EQ, primo, and other AAS. that is common in parts of the world. in fact AIDS doctors want primo legalized so they can legally prescribe it to their patients year round

guys in the 70's and 80's never used test in their cycles and had way better physiques than the garbage perma bulker physiques we think is normal today. i've interviewed plenty of pro's from that era plus coaches and guys who wrote for the top magazines of that era and nobody ever used test in a cycle and they did just fine.

bottom line is adding test to a cycle is fine, it is more steroids, more aromatization, more androgens, and more sides. some guys love that and sometimes that is a good thing if you like running mild compounds, stacking in test is not a bad idea and I do it myself on certain cycles. I for the most part though will not use test in my cycles though. i've not heard one legitimate reason why you NEED it or else your dick will fall off or some other scare tactic. steroids are steroids, guys tend to forget all steroids were created from male hormones. deca itself is the exact replica of testosterone except for 1 atom difference.

i actually interviewed an insider in the source industry on my podcast a while back and he straight up said the reason people push test as a base in every cycle is simply because it costs less than $5 to make a vial of test so they make a huge margin on it. other steroids they barely make anything on, so of course the same way a restaurant wants to sell you alcohol or a gas station wants to sell you lottery tickets, it is all about margins. that little game started in the 90's when UGL's started popping up
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Im really interested in this theory aswell.
If you were running a tren only cycle would the tren dosage still be the same as when running with test?
Or would you lower it to reduce suppression ?
And would pct be the same ?
 
chip0000 said:
Im really interested in this theory aswell.
If you were running a tren only cycle would the tren dosage still be the same as when running with test?
Or would you lower it to reduce suppression ?
And would pct be the same ?
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try 250mg a week of tren along with a light mild oral. if you can't gain strength and solid size on that then the person should take up knitting or another hobby

remember tren is 5X more anabolic and 5X more androgenic than testosterone. yes those are just #'s but in this particular case it is actually pretty damn true
 
stevesmi said:
try 250mg a week of tren along with a light mild oral. if you can't gain strength and solid size on that then the person should take up knitting or another hobby

remember tren is 5X more anabolic and 5X more androgenic than testosterone. yes those are just #'s but in this particular case it is actually pretty damn true
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I understand
Thanks for the info brother
 
I have a bunch of eq and tren. What would you run them at without test. This is new to me, but I’ll give it a try. Thanks for your input.
 
Chaginp said:
I have a bunch of eq and tren. What would you run them at without test. This is new to me, but I’ll give it a try. Thanks for your input.
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bro...if you dont have test, get some...at least 250mgs...but dont stack eq+tren...use EQ separate and use tren separate....
 
Chaginp said:
I have a bunch of eq and tren. What would you run them at without test. This is new to me, but I’ll give it a try. Thanks for your input.
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i never run test with tren anymore. run a mild compound with tren
 
Chaginp said:
I have a bunch of eq and tren. What would you run them at without test. This is new to me, but I’ll give it a try. Thanks for your input.
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I wouldn't do a cycle based on what I have a bunch of. Mine are always planned according to what my aims are. Then I buy what I need. I've a drawer with bits and bobs in but I'd never make something up based on that.
 
You can run EQ with tren or you can just run the tren solo. It is androgenic enough that adding test sometimes just adds side effects. I wouldn't run tren over 300mg per week personally. If you add in EQ I would probably keep it in the 300-400mg per week range.
 
Mobster said:
I wouldn't do a cycle based on what I have a bunch of. Mine are always planned according to what my aims are. Then I buy what I need. I've a drawer with bits and bobs in but I'd never make something up based on that.
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I’ve been cycling for twenty years. I have everything. Just curious to try something new.
 
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