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Hi EVO Family,

We get a lot of questions on how to run a proper PCT and more specifically how to run The Perfect PCT (http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/). The purpose of this thread is to simplify everything for you.

What You Need:
-1 or 2 bottles of N2Generate ES (https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/n2generate-es)
-2 bottles of Cardarine (https://sarms.forsale/product/gw-501516/)
-1 bottle of Ostarine (https://sarms.forsale/product/mk-2866-2/)
-clomid (https://sarms.forsale/product/clomid-liquidclomi-50-mg-ml/) or (https://domestic-supply.com/pct/clomid/)
-nolva (https://sarms.forsale/product/nolvadex-liquidnolva-40-mg-ml/) or (https://domestic-supply.com/pct/nolvadex_tamoxifen/)
-2 bottles of N2Guard (https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/N2-GUARD-p75.html)
-*optional aromasin *optional (https://sarms.forsale/product/aromasin-liquidaroma-12-5-mg-ml/) or (https://domestic-supply.com/pct/examestane-aromasin/)

Breakdown By Week: *this protocol is for long ester steroid cycles*

Weeks 1 and 2

N2Generate ES - start this immediately after your last injection at 5 caps per day. This product will make you feel great on PCT by boosting your natural test production. It will also plump your nuts back up and increase libido. I recommend purchasing 2 bottles and running this for 8 weeks.

Cardarine (GW-501516) - this is a product that can really be run during your whole cycle. It will increase v02 max which makes your cardio and training easier. You will feel like you can just keep going. It will also help keep fat off while you are building muscle. A huge benefit in PCT is that it will lower cortisol levels. I recommend running it your entire cycle and PCT and then take a few weeks off after that. Take 20mg per day a couple hours before training or cardio.

N2Guard - this is the best liver and organ protector on the market. I recommend using it throughout your entire cycle. It will not only protect liver, heart, kidneys, prostate, and help cholesterol levels but it will also provide you with a ton of vitamins and minerals. Take 7 caps per day when running an oral steroid or in PCT. Take 5 caps per day if running an injectable only cycle. Run 3 caps per day year round when off cycle.

Week 3

N2Generate ES - continue taking 5 caps per day
Cardarine - continue 20mg per day
N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Clomid - 50mg per day
Nolva - 40mg per day

Aromasin - 10-12.5mg EOD

Ostarine - 25mg per day all dosed at once. Ostarine will help you hang on to muscle and even continue to make gains while on PCT. It is only minimally suppressive (around 5%). When run the short time it will be in PCT it will not negatively affect recovery.

N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Week 4

Exact same as Week 3 except:
-nolva dose drops to 20mg per day

Week 5

Exact same as Week 4 except:
-clomid dose drops to 25mg per day
-aromasin dose drops to 5-7.5mg per day

Week 6

Exact same as Week 5 except:
-Ostarine dose drops to 12.5mg per day

Week 7

Exact same as Week 6 except:
-clomid dose drops to 12.5mg per day
-nolva dose drops to 10 mg per day
-stop taking aromasin
-stop taking Ostarine

Week 8

Only run your last week of N2Generate ES this week

*Wait 3-4 weeks after this is complete and get blood work. This will tell you if you are recovered or where to go from here.

I really hope this helps to simplify things. For those that are visual, there is a chart if you click the link at the beginning of the post.

Cheers,
MasonicBB
 
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Awesome write up Matt!

For anyone interested in the science behind the perfect PCT protocol, I talk about why each individual product is incorporated into the perfect PCT in this video here -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/video-how-run-proper-pct-46615.html

The perfect PCT is arguably the best PCT protocol you can run. It is comprised of the SERMS clomid and nolvadex, the AI aromasin, HCGenerate ES (a good natural testosterone booster), N2guard (a liver/organ detox supplement) and the SARMS ostarine and cardarine.

• Clomid and Nolvadex increase levels of LH and FSH in the body, which increase free testosterone levels.
• An aromatize inhibitor will prevent testosterone from aromatizing into estrogen and prevent side effects like gynocemastia and water retention.
• A natural testosterone booster (like HCGenerate ES) will signal the leydig cells in the testicles to restart testosterone production.
• A liver/organ detox supplement (like N2guard) will help cleanse the liver and kidney, regulate blood pressure and balance cholesterol levels.
• Ostarine will prevent muscle loss during a PCT when the body is catabolic from the increased cortisol levels and low anabolic hormones.
• Cardarine will prevent fat gain during a PCT protocol when hormones are low and cortisol levels are high.
 
Thanks for posting this. I'm bookmarking it for future use. Folks I've been around don't understand how important PCT is....well not until it's too late.
 
mn3imb said:
What about for a short ester compound?

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The perfect PCT stays the same, the only difference is that you start during last week of your cycle, and SERMS are started 3 days after last injection.
 
Thanks for breaking that down. Makes it simple to follow!


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Is it safe to run another cycle after completing 8 weeks pct with 3-4 weeks after pct getting blood work and it coming back good?


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This is the pct i always follow and it works perfectly for me of course if using long ester compounds like Test E i would wait till 2-3 weeks after last injection to start pct

Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg*
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg*
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg
 
matt one question the perfect PCT should be 4 week or 8 weeks? here i see 8 week. if i run tren then pct should be 4 week or 8 weeks...(ps i just know that masonic bodybuilder real name is MATT whats matt very good artical i request every body plz read this
 
5000iu pregnyl per month
One box of clonus per month
1mg anastrazole per day for 6 weeks
Then 20mg novoldex per day for the next six weeks. Had the best result
 
Mr-smith said:
5000iu pregnyl per month
One box of clonus per month
1mg anastrazole per day for 6 weeks
Then 20mg novoldex per day for the next six weeks. Had the best result
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Did you mean Clomid ?
Cause the only Clonus that I know, is a "Rhythmic Muscle Spasm"............................. JP
P.S.
And you definitely need that much Arimidex with all that HCG.
As it's well known to raise Estrogen Levels at the Doses you are doing.
 
jp4355 said:
Did you mean Clomid ?
Cause the only Clonus that I know, is a "Rhythmic Muscle Spasm"............................. JP
P.S.
And you definitely need that much Arimidex with all that HCG.
As it's well known to raise Estrogen Levels at the Doses you are doing.
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Ye sorry I meant clomid. Autocorrect was on lol
 
Im with Kryto on this... My PCT has always been:

Day 1-5 days: 100mg clomid
5-10: 50mg clomid
1-21: 1000iu clomid eod
1-14: 0.5mg arim
1-60: 2 days clen, 2 days ECA

GH/MK677 and remeron optional.
 
BigRed1 said:
Im with Kryto on this... My PCT has always been:

Day 1-5 days: 100mg clomid
5-10: 50mg clomid
1-21: 1000iu clomid eod
1-14: 0.5mg arim
1-60: 2 days clen, 2 days ECA

GH/MK677 and remeron optional.
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Question:
1) What is Day 1 to 21 ~ 1,000 IU's of Clomid EOD ~ is this a Typo.

2) Why would you want to include an Antidepressant like Remeron ~ which has Withdrawal Side Effects for some.
Could it be that all that Clomid has you Depressed ?

3) And then your Body isn't going through enough of a Roller-Coaster ~ lets toss in an ECA Stack & Clen.

Dude ~ you are either a Troll ~ or a Maniac ~ you haven't a Clue how to run a proper PCT........................ JP
P.S.
High amounts of Clomid are known via Clinical Studies to cause Depression, and a whole host of other Side Effects.
 
jp4355 said:
Question:
1) What is Day 1 to 21 ~ 1,000 IU's of Clomid EOD ~ is this a Typo.

2) Why would you want to include an Antidepressant like Remeron ~ which has Withdrawal Side Effects for some.
Could it be that all that Clomid has you Depressed ?

3) And then your Body isn't going through enough of a Roller-Coaster ~ lets toss in an ECA Stack & Clen.

Dude ~ you are either a Troll ~ or a Maniac ~ you haven't a Clue how to run a proper PCT........................ JP
P.S.
High amounts of Clomid are known via Clinical Studies to cause Depression, and a whole host of other Side Effects.
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You sir deserve a medal, way to stick up for us rookies new in the game... Well done Bravo...

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Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Hi EVO Family,

We get a lot of questions on how to run a proper PCT and more specifically how to run The Perfect PCT (http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/). The purpose of this thread is to simplify everything for you.

What You Need:
-1 or 2 bottles of HCGenerate ES (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-2 bottles of Cardarine (www.sarms1.com)
-1 bottle of Ostarine (www.sarms1.com)
-1 bottle of clomid (www.ag-guys.com)
-1 bottle of nolva (www.ag-guys.com)
-2 bottles of N2Guard (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-*optional 1 bottle of aromasin (www.ag-guys.com) *optional

Breakdown By Week: *this protocol is for long ester steroid cycles*

Weeks 1 and 2

HCGenerate ES - start this immediately after your last injection at 5 caps per day. This product will make you feel great on PCT by boosting your natural test production. It will also plump your nuts back up and increase libido. I recommend purchasing 2 bottles and running this for 8 weeks.

Cardarine (GW-501516) - this is a product that can really be run during your whole cycle. It will increase v02 max which makes your cardio and training easier. You will feel like you can just keep going. It will also help keep fat off while you are building muscle. A huge benefit in PCT is that it will lower cortisol levels. I recommend running it your entire cycle and PCT and then take a few weeks off after that. Take 20mg per day a couple hours before training or cardio.

N2Guard - this is the best liver and organ protector on the market. I recommend using it throughout your entire cycle. It will not only protect liver, heart, kidneys, prostate, and help cholesterol levels but it will also provide you with a ton of vitamins and minerals. Take 7 caps per day when running an oral steroid or in PCT. Take 5 caps per day if running an injectable only cycle. Run 3 caps per day year round when off cycle.

Week 3

HCGenerate ES - continue taking 5 caps per day
Cardarine - continue 20mg per day
N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Clomid - 50mg per day
Nolva - 40mg per day

Aromasin - 10-12.5mg EOD

Ostarine - 25mg per day all dosed at once. Ostarine will help you hang on to muscle and even continue to make gains while on PCT. It is only minimally suppressive (around 5%). When run the short time it will be in PCT it will not negatively affect recovery.

N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Week 4

Exact same as Week 3 except:
-nolva dose drops to 20mg per day

Week 5

Exact same as Week 4 except:
-clomid dose drops to 25mg per day
-aromasin dose drops to 5-7.5mg per day

Week 6

Exact same as Week 5 except:
-Ostarine dose drops to 12.5mg per day

Week 7

Exact same as Week 6 except:
-clomid dose drops to 12.5mg per day
-nolva dose drops to 10 mg per day
-stop taking aromasin
-stop taking Ostarine

Week 8

Only run your last week of HCGenerate ES this week

*Wait 3-4 weeks after this is complete and get blood work. This will tell you if you are recovered or where to go from here.

I really hope this helps to simplify things. For those that are visual, there is a chart if you click the link at the beginning of the post.
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Thanks for all the info, now can you please share a PCT without running SARMS. Since I have access to pharmaceutical grade stuff straight from the pharmacy. From Nolvadex, clomid, hcg it's all over the counter here...

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pct in mg dosage please

Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Hi EVO Family,

We get a lot of questions on how to run a proper PCT and more specifically how to run The Perfect PCT (http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/). The purpose of this thread is to simplify everything for you.

What You Need:
-1 or 2 bottles of HCGenerate ES (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-2 bottles of Cardarine (www.sarms1.com)
-1 bottle of Ostarine (www.sarms1.com)
-1 bottle of clomid (www.ag-guys.com)
-1 bottle of nolva (www.ag-guys.com)
-2 bottles of N2Guard (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-*optional 1 bottle of aromasin (www.ag-guys.com) *optional

Breakdown By Week: *this protocol is for long ester steroid cycles*

Weeks 1 and 2

HCGenerate ES - start this immediately after your last injection at 5 caps per day. This product will make you feel great on PCT by boosting your natural test production. It will also plump your nuts back up and increase libido. I recommend purchasing 2 bottles and running this for 8 weeks.

Cardarine (GW-501516) - this is a product that can really be run during your whole cycle. It will increase v02 max which makes your cardio and training easier. You will feel like you can just keep going. It will also help keep fat off while you are building muscle. A huge benefit in PCT is that it will lower cortisol levels. I recommend running it your entire cycle and PCT and then take a few weeks off after that. Take 20mg per day a couple hours before training or cardio.

N2Guard - this is the best liver and organ protector on the market. I recommend using it throughout your entire cycle. It will not only protect liver, heart, kidneys, prostate, and help cholesterol levels but it will also provide you with a ton of vitamins and minerals. Take 7 caps per day when running an oral steroid or in PCT. Take 5 caps per day if running an injectable only cycle. Run 3 caps per day year round when off cycle.

Week 3

HCGenerate ES - continue taking 5 caps per day
Cardarine - continue 20mg per day
N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Clomid - 50mg per day
Nolva - 40mg per day

Aromasin - 10-12.5mg EOD

Ostarine - 25mg per day all dosed at once. Ostarine will help you hang on to muscle and even continue to make gains while on PCT. It is only minimally suppressive (around 5%). When run the short time it will be in PCT it will not negatively affect recovery.

N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Week 4

Exact same as Week 3 except:
-nolva dose drops to 20mg per day

Week 5

Exact same as Week 4 except:
-clomid dose drops to 25mg per day
-aromasin dose drops to 5-7.5mg per day

Week 6

Exact same as Week 5 except:
-Ostarine dose drops to 12.5mg per day

Week 7

Exact same as Week 6 except:
-clomid dose drops to 12.5mg per day
-nolva dose drops to 10 mg per day
-stop taking aromasin
-stop taking Ostarine

Week 8

Only run your last week of HCGenerate ES this week

*Wait 3-4 weeks after this is complete and get blood work. This will tell you if you are recovered or where to go from here.

I really hope this helps to simplify things. For those that are visual, there is a chart if you click the link at the beginning of the post.
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hi this is a great read would you mind breaking the (bottles) down into mg needed for this pct .

kind regards.
 
Best PCT you can do is "Dr Scully's power PCT".....google it, its been proven in the lab, with scientific studies to back it up, do your research. It has even been used successfully to restart guys that have been continuously on gear for over 3 years straight.
 
ikethermite said:
Best PCT you can do is "Dr Scully's power PCT".....google it, its been proven in the lab, with scientific studies to back it up, do your research. It has even been used successfully to restart guys that have been continuously on gear for over 3 years straight.
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I'm pretty sure you need to do more research. I believe you are referring to Dr. Scally, not Skully.

First off, there is no such thing as "restarting" HPTA. You need to understand that is not how it works. If we could just flip a switch to restart then no one would be on TRT. Whether you do a PCT or not, your body has to recover on its own. PCT only creates a "softer landing" and makes coming off more tolerable.

Secondly, his PCT contains HCG. The problem is that HCG is suppressive of natural testosterone production. Tell me how that would help recovery? It won't...it will only set you back. Guys think HCG works because they feel better. Well of course you feel better......you just injected exogenous hormones. Why not just inject test? It would be the same thing. No one has yet been able to provide any proof that HCG has any positive effect in PCT. it is all just repeated bro science.

I could go on for hours. We just discussed this in our podcast episode #99 that we recorded last night. I suggest you have a listen.


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Personally i think it more prudent to follow a Dr"s protocol....yeas I typo"d his name lol
Are you a doctor Masonic? Do you have a medical degree? I think there is vastly more anecdotal evidence that Scallys pct works far better than the one you laid out in your OP......as I asked, are you a doctor?
 
ikethermite said:
Personally i think it more prudent to follow a Dr"s protocol....yeas I typo"d his name lol
Are you a doctor Masonic? Do you have a medical degree? I think there is vastly more anecdotal evidence that Scallys pct works far better than the one you laid out in your OP......as I asked, are you a doctor?
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Show me proof that HCG is beneficial in PCT. No one can. You don't need to be a doctor to understand it. Ask 100s of people how smart doctors are when it comes to hormones.


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Should I also ask 100's of people how smart Doctors are when it comes to medicine, surgery, specialist fields such as oncology?
Speaking of oncology....are you also disputing the findings of Doctors and research scientists when it comes to Caradine.....
GW501516 was initially discovered during a research collaboration between GSK and Ligand Pharmaceuticals that began in 1992.[3] The discovery of the compound was published in a 2001 issue of PNAS.[4] Oliver et al. reported that they used "combinatorial chemistry and structure-based drug design" to develop it.[5] One of the authors was the son of Leo Sternbach who discovered benzodiazepines in the 1960s.[6]

R & D Focus Drug News reported that GSK began phase I trials of the compound for the treatment of hyperlipidemia in 2000[7] followed by phase I/II in 2002.[8] In 2003, Ligand Pharmaceuticals earned a $1 million payment as a result of GSK continuing phase I development.[9]

By 2007, GW501516 had completed two phase II clinical studies and other studies relating to obesity, diabetes, dyslipidemia and cardiovascular disease,[10][11] but GSK abandoned further development of the drug in 2007 for reasons which were not disclosed at the time.[12] It later emerged that the drug was discontinued because animal testing showed that the drug caused cancer to develop rapidly in several organs, at dosages of 3 mg/kg/day in both mice and rats.[2][13][14]
Sorry mate but when it comes to issues such as these I will be taking more notice of Doctors and Scientists.
 
Nice copy and paste. I'm done here. We will agree to disagree. Until there is proof of it being beneficial I will never recommend HCG in pct.


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By 2007, GW501516 had completed two phase II clinical studies and other studies relating to obesity, diabetes, dyslipidemia and cardiovascular disease,[10][11] but GSK abandoned further development of the drug in 2007 for reasons which were not disclosed at the time.[12] It later emerged that the drug was discontinued because animal testing showed that the drug caused cancer to develop rapidly in several organs, at dosages of 3 mg/kg/day in both mice and rats.[2][13][14]
Sorry mate but when it comes to issues such as these I will be taking more notice of Doctors and Scientists.[/QUOTE]


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I could get into this discussion about Dr. Scally's Power PCT.
But as I've already debated this with him, along with several other Long Time Members of Meso, I've nothing to add to that.

But I did want to point out this So-Called Clinical Study on Mice and Rats.

The Dosages that are used here are just Ridiculous.
3 Mg/Kg !
So a 200 Lb person, would weigh roughly 90.7185 Kg X 3 = 272.1555 Mg per day of MK-677.
So the Standard Dose is 25 Mg a day.
So 272 Mg is over 10 x's the daily dose for a Human.
Anyone would get Cancer on a dose like this............................... JP
P.S.
This is Nonsense Science ~ and has No Relevance in the Real World !
 
Can you help me with the liquid conversions? I went to the AG-Guys and purchased the liquid Nolva, AI and Nolva. The bottles dont help me much on dosages and it's been a while since my Organic Chemistry days! Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. By the way, thank you for the Perfect PCT!
 
does any have a discount code for roid mass I want put my order in but prices are so high from what im use to paying. if anyone could help please!
 
NAGA88 said:
does any have a discount code for roid mass I want put my order in but prices are so high from what im use to paying. if anyone could help please!
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I sent you a pm.


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^^^^
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I treid to send you a pm back but it wouldn't let me due to my lack of "post" I sent you an email im not sure if it went thru though. I want to ask if you can help woth some PCT help I need
 
Can you skip Cardarine and just run MK 677... Does Cardarine jack up like other fat burners? Took one fat burner awhile back and felt like I was having a heart attack?
 
HRCOCHIS said:
Thanks for all the info, now can you please share a PCT without running SARMS. Since I have access to pharmaceutical grade stuff straight from the pharmacy. From Nolvadex, clomid, hcg it's all over the counter here...

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ikethermite said:
Should I also ask 100's of people how smart Doctors are when it comes to medicine, surgery, specialist fields such as oncology?
Speaking of oncology....are you also disputing the findings of Doctors and research scientists when it comes to Caradine.....
GW501516 was initially discovered during a research collaboration between GSK and Ligand Pharmaceuticals that began in 1992.[3] The discovery of the compound was published in a 2001 issue of PNAS.[4] Oliver et al. reported that they used "combinatorial chemistry and structure-based drug design" to develop it.[5] One of the authors was the son of Leo Sternbach who discovered benzodiazepines in the 1960s.[6]

R & D Focus Drug News reported that GSK began phase I trials of the compound for the treatment of hyperlipidemia in 2000[7] followed by phase I/II in 2002.[8] In 2003, Ligand Pharmaceuticals earned a $1 million payment as a result of GSK continuing phase I development.[9]

By 2007, GW501516 had completed two phase II clinical studies and other studies relating to obesity, diabetes, dyslipidemia and cardiovascular disease,[10][11] but GSK abandoned further development of the drug in 2007 for reasons which were not disclosed at the time.[12] It later emerged that the drug was discontinued because animal testing showed that the drug caused cancer to develop rapidly in several organs, at dosages of 3 mg/kg/day in both mice and rats.[2][13][14]
Sorry mate but when it comes to issues such as these I will be taking more notice of Doctors and Scientists.
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Bro the perfect pct only works if u get the stuff from ag-guys haha
 
Gosh Darn It, how could you forget to mention N2BM as well?
Most of the posts in these sections are done by Post Bots........ you should see how they destroyed the forum Isteroids..........used to be a great vibrant community full of like minded brothers, now its just four "mods" guess who lol, "replying" to posts by a post bot.
 
ikethermite said:
Gosh Darn It, how could you forget to mention N2BM as well?
Most of the posts in these sections are done by Post Bots........ you should see how they destroyed the forum Isteroids..........used to be a great vibrant community full of like minded brothers, now its just four "mods" guess who lol, "replying" to posts by a post bot.
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Hahahahaha hilarious shit.. I'm not surprised at all mate
 
I've definitely gotten confused reading this entire thread. I'm simply looking for advice on a simple PCT for beginners.

Do you need both Clomid and Nolvadex? Can you get away with just one?

Does using serms / test booster during PCT really healthy? Sounds cool, but I'm iffy during recovery/PCT. I'd love to learn more about this.
 
GetBig007 said:
I've definitely gotten confused reading this entire thread. I'm simply looking for advice on a simple PCT for beginners.

Do you need both Clomid and Nolvadex? Can you get away with just one?

Does using serms / test booster during PCT really healthy? Sounds cool, but I'm iffy during recovery/PCT. I'd love to learn more about this.
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Your PCT is arguably more important then your cycle itself. A PCT restores natural testosterone production after your cycle and brings your body back to homeostasis.

The SERMS/test boosters in a PCT are very important to bring your body back to a state of health after your cycle.

Run the perfect PCT after your cycle exactly as laid out. You will be happy you did.
 
GetBig007 said:
I've definitely gotten confused reading this entire thread. I'm simply looking for advice on a simple PCT for beginners.

Do you need both Clomid and Nolvadex? Can you get away with just one?

Does using serms / test booster during PCT really healthy? Sounds cool, but I'm iffy during recovery/PCT. I'd love to learn more about this.
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You need to realize that it is pointless to run a steroid cycle if you will lose all of your gains due to a poor PCT. Therefore, you should never underestimate the importance of a proper PCT. That being said, you might be lucky to get away with just one SERM used on PCT - that the risk of not getting recovered will be much higher then. So ask yourself the question - is it worth not using one compound and lose the results achieved during the 12-14 weeks of cycle? In my opinion - definitely it is not worth it. Besides, they work in synergy, which means that with double the SERMS you are getting 4 times the effect.

Using test boosters is definitely a good thing during PCT, because they are non-suppressive, and all they do, is stimulate your natural testosterone production, and this is the who point of PCT.
 
GetBig007 said:
I've definitely gotten confused reading this entire thread. I'm simply looking for advice on a simple PCT for beginners.

Do you need both Clomid and Nolvadex? Can you get away with just one?

Does using serms / test booster during PCT really healthy? Sounds cool, but I'm iffy during recovery/PCT. I'd love to learn more about this.
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pct can be confusing for sure

if you read the perfect PCT sticky it really simplifies things. i would read that thread
 
PCT is not the place to cut corners. Why run a cycle and then say "well it was a mild cycle so can I get away with just running xyz for PCT?". Makes no sense. If you run AAS you will be shut down and require a full PCT. Why risk not recovering and losing your gains.
 
New to the forum, just wanted to say hello.

Also @Masonic Bodybuilder I sent you an email. Tried PM, but I guess I need 100 posts first.
 
The text is too long and I see it very carefully， this cycle has a lot of details .Need experience . Waaa Thanks Bro
 
Hello when should I start pct after running trenbolone ace and test P ?


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Masonic Bodybuilder said:
PCT is not the place to cut corners. Why run a cycle and then say "well it was a mild cycle so can I get away with just running xyz for PCT?". Makes no sense. If you run AAS you will be shut down and require a full PCT. Why risk not recovering and losing your gains.
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I have everything you mentioned for the Pefect PCT & ready to start it in 1 week.

I just have 1 question?

Does anything change if I'm continuing my HGH after my cycle and during my PCT?

Thanks for your help
 
maybe this is my jewish blood poking out but wouldn't this make my pct more expensive than my cycles? i've only done 10 weeks on and then 3-4 months of with nolvadex and adex during cycle if i need it (which i haven't yet but will replace with having aromasin on hand after reading here)
 
Sorry to bother you but I am doing research to determine the safest ways to run my first cycle. I want to ask if that type of extensive PCT is necessary for someone that is going to be running a very simple cycle of 300 mg test a week for 12 weeks with some ai on the side every 3 days. My previous PCT plan was to run a 40/40/20/20 of Nolvadex starting 2 weeks after my last pin and ending in 4 weeks. My concerns are that the common advice is to keep the first cycle simple and your PCT seems to need the use of a lot of different chemicals.Is your PCT also recommendable for the kind of cycle I am going to do?Also feel free to give any kind of pointers and any tip you wish you knew before you started your first cycle would be greatly appreciated.Thanks for the advice and keep your posts coming,they are pretty informative and well reasoned.:p
 
PCT mentoring "Thanks!"

Great PCT mentoring. Thank you for your time putting it together. As to it's price ... no priority supersedes my health. I trust your years of study and experience over any M.D. other than perhaps an endocrinologist. Know that you are reaching people.
 
Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Hi EVO Family,

We get a lot of questions on how to run a proper PCT and more specifically how to run The Perfect PCT (http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/). The purpose of this thread is to simplify everything for you.

What You Need:
-1 or 2 bottles of HCGenerate ES (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-2 bottles of Cardarine (www.sarms1.com)
-1 bottle of Ostarine (www.sarms1.com)
-1 bottle of clomid (www.ag-guys.com)
-1 bottle of nolva (www.ag-guys.com)
-2 bottles of N2Guard (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-*optional 1 bottle of aromasin (www.ag-guys.com) *optional

Breakdown By Week: *this protocol is for long ester steroid cycles*

Weeks 1 and 2

HCGenerate ES - start this immediately after your last injection at 5 caps per day. This product will make you feel great on PCT by boosting your natural test production. It will also plump your nuts back up and increase libido. I recommend purchasing 2 bottles and running this for 8 weeks.

Cardarine (GW-501516) - this is a product that can really be run during your whole cycle. It will increase v02 max which makes your cardio and training easier. You will feel like you can just keep going. It will also help keep fat off while you are building muscle. A huge benefit in PCT is that it will lower cortisol levels. I recommend running it your entire cycle and PCT and then take a few weeks off after that. Take 20mg per day a couple hours before training or cardio.

N2Guard - this is the best liver and organ protector on the market. I recommend using it throughout your entire cycle. It will not only protect liver, heart, kidneys, prostate, and help cholesterol levels but it will also provide you with a ton of vitamins and minerals. Take 7 caps per day when running an oral steroid or in PCT. Take 5 caps per day if running an injectable only cycle. Run 3 caps per day year round when off cycle.

Week 3

HCGenerate ES - continue taking 5 caps per day
Cardarine - continue 20mg per day
N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Clomid - 50mg per day
Nolva - 40mg per day

Aromasin - 10-12.5mg EOD

Ostarine - 25mg per day all dosed at once. Ostarine will help you hang on to muscle and even continue to make gains while on PCT. It is only minimally suppressive (around 5%). When run the short time it will be in PCT it will not negatively affect recovery.

N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Week 4

Exact same as Week 3 except:
-nolva dose drops to 20mg per day

Week 5

Exact same as Week 4 except:
-clomid dose drops to 25mg per day
-aromasin dose drops to 5-7.5mg per day

Week 6

Exact same as Week 5 except:
-Ostarine dose drops to 12.5mg per day

Week 7

Exact same as Week 6 except:
-clomid dose drops to 12.5mg per day
-nolva dose drops to 10 mg per day
-stop taking aromasin
-stop taking Ostarine

Week 8

Only run your last week of HCGenerate ES this week

*Wait 3-4 weeks after this is complete and get blood work. This will tell you if you are recovered or where to go from here.

I really hope this helps to simplify things. For those that are visual, there is a chart if you click the link at the beginning of the post.
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Didn’t know that much stuff need in pct or some in between the cycle. I did only Nolvadex and clomid. Had blood results today and i’m very sad [emoji17][emoji17]
Not recovered
Test very low
Vitamin d very low
LH FSH <1
Red cell, white cell low
Urea high
Cholesterol way too high
Don’t know what to do now..



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Zirapb47 ~ please start a New Thread.
In there give all your Bloodwork Details.

And how long after your PCT was this Bloodwork done..................................... JP
P.S.
If you can post a Pic of your Bloodwork, that would be great, make sure to Block Out your Name.
 
jp4355 said:
Zirapb47 ~ please start a New Thread.
In there give all your Bloodwork Details.

And how long after your PCT was this Bloodwork done..................................... JP
P.S.
If you can post a Pic of your Bloodwork, that would be great, make sure to Block Out your Name.
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Ok bro i’ll do soon.


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Hi guys,
thanks for having me here, first post :) Just about to start my first cycle in 1 week. I understand there's no 2 week rest period between end of cycle and start of PCT, correct?
so essentially, I take the last injection and 1 week later I start this PCT protocol for a duration of 8 weeks, am I correct?
 
Thanks Muskate for the breakdown of each element :D

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Thank you Masonic Bodybuilder for composing this thorough breakdown schedule!! Wish I had this back in the day, its great!
 
i having trouble finding clomid and nolva on ag-guys.com . The site says those products can't be found. Anyone have the same issue?
 
I clicked on the link provided for the Clomid source and it is no longer available. I see that RoidMass doesn't carry Clomid. Is there any other reliable source for Clomid?
 
Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Hi EVO Family,

We get a lot of questions on how to run a proper PCT and more specifically how to run The Perfect PCT (http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/). The purpose of this thread is to simplify everything for you.

What You Need:
-1 or 2 bottles of HCGenerate ES (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-2 bottles of Cardarine (www.sarms1.com)
-1 bottle of Ostarine (www.sarms1.com)
-1 bottle of clomid (www.ag-guys.com)
-1 bottle of nolva (www.ag-guys.com)
-2 bottles of N2Guard (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-*optional 1 bottle of aromasin (www.ag-guys.com) *optional

Breakdown By Week: *this protocol is for long ester steroid cycles*

Weeks 1 and 2

HCGenerate ES - start this immediately after your last injection at 5 caps per day. This product will make you feel great on PCT by boosting your natural test production. It will also plump your nuts back up and increase libido. I recommend purchasing 2 bottles and running this for 8 weeks.

Cardarine (GW-501516) - this is a product that can really be run during your whole cycle. It will increase v02 max which makes your cardio and training easier. You will feel like you can just keep going. It will also help keep fat off while you are building muscle. A huge benefit in PCT is that it will lower cortisol levels. I recommend running it your entire cycle and PCT and then take a few weeks off after that. Take 20mg per day a couple hours before training or cardio.

N2Guard - this is the best liver and organ protector on the market. I recommend using it throughout your entire cycle. It will not only protect liver, heart, kidneys, prostate, and help cholesterol levels but it will also provide you with a ton of vitamins and minerals. Take 7 caps per day when running an oral steroid or in PCT. Take 5 caps per day if running an injectable only cycle. Run 3 caps per day year round when off cycle.

Week 3

HCGenerate ES - continue taking 5 caps per day
Cardarine - continue 20mg per day
N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Clomid - 50mg per day
Nolva - 40mg per day

Aromasin - 10-12.5mg EOD

Ostarine - 25mg per day all dosed at once. Ostarine will help you hang on to muscle and even continue to make gains while on PCT. It is only minimally suppressive (around 5%). When run the short time it will be in PCT it will not negatively affect recovery.

N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Week 4

Exact same as Week 3 except:
-nolva dose drops to 20mg per day

Week 5

Exact same as Week 4 except:
-clomid dose drops to 25mg per day
-aromasin dose drops to 5-7.5mg per day

Week 6

Exact same as Week 5 except:
-Ostarine dose drops to 12.5mg per day

Week 7

Exact same as Week 6 except:
-clomid dose drops to 12.5mg per day
-nolva dose drops to 10 mg per day
-stop taking aromasin
-stop taking Ostarine

Week 8

Only run your last week of HCGenerate ES this week

*Wait 3-4 weeks after this is complete and get blood work. This will tell you if you are recovered or where to go from here.

I really hope this helps to simplify things. For those that are visual, there is a chart if you click the link at the beginning of the post.
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So, do you run Aromasin on cycle AND PCT?
 
Please advise, I currently have the following for my Post Cycle

1 bottle of clomaphid ( 50 mg) x 50 tablets *** Is this the same thing as CLOMID as what the original posts tells us to use
1 bottle of nolvadex (20mg) x 50 tablets
2 bottle of cardarine
*** Will these 3 be enough for my post cycle treatment???


Also if I am correct, I need to buy
2 bottles of HCGenerate ES
2 bottles of N2Guard
1 bottle of Ostarine

Also any discount codes for my pct products I hope to purchase by tomorrow :)


I also still have about 1/2 a bottle left of arimidex, will I need to order another one?


Please advise this is my first post cycle treatment, after considering staying on test longer, I have decided to do a proper pct
 
chb1353 said:
Please advise, I currently have the following for my Post Cycle

1 bottle of clomaphid ( 50 mg) x 50 tablets *** Is this the same thing as CLOMID as what the original posts tells us to use
1 bottle of nolvadex (20mg) x 50 tablets
2 bottle of cardarine
*** Will these 3 be enough for my post cycle treatment???


Also if I am correct, I need to buy
2 bottles of HCGenerate ES
2 bottles of N2Guard
1 bottle of Ostarine

Also any discount codes for my pct products I hope to purchase by tomorrow :)


I also still have about 1/2 a bottle left of arimidex, will I need to order another one?


Please advise this is my first post cycle treatment, after considering staying on test longer, I have decided to do a proper pct
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Yes, that is the same as clomid.

I would definitely get the other 3 products if you can swing it financially. It will make a big difference in PCT. As for the arimidex, I wouldn't bother getting any more. I wouldn't run it in PCT at all actually unless you had a real problem with estrogen on cycle. If that was the case then continue to run it but just taper it down slowly. You want to avoid estrogen rebound. This is just one of the many reasons why aromasin is far superior to arimidex.

I sent you codes for N2BM and SARMS1 via PM.
 
For Ostarine I am supposed to buy 1 bottle but the closest resemblance I can find on I sarms website is Ostabolic-Osta (MK-2866) - 25mgs/capsule - 60 caps/pack
Is this the same thing, or am I looking at the wrong place
 
chb1353 said:
Thank you so much Masonic, do I only need 1 of each clomid and novledex and 2 bottles of cardarine ?
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You will just have to do the math. Just add up how much you need for the protocol and figure out how much you will need to order.

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chb1353 said:
Ps will all of these ship to canada without issues?
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Yes. I am in Canada too and have NEVER had anything not make it to me.

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chb1353 said:
For Ostarine I am supposed to buy 1 bottle but the closest resemblance I can find on I sarms website is Ostabolic-Osta (MK-2866) - 25mgs/capsule - 60 caps/pack
Is this the same thing, or am I looking at the wrong place
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You are correct......that is Ostarine.
 
Hi Masonic, did you tell me or suggest not to use arimidex, but what about Aromasin.
Is this correct, the perfect pct does say we should be using aromasin, and just confirming I will need 1 more bottle before starting PCT
 
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Newbie getting ready to start 1st cycle - im planning to keep it simple with 500mg test e per week (still deciding if i should pin once or twice a week) for 10 weeks. I assume this is the correct PCT for this cycle, correct? I am finding a lot of different makers/brands of nolva and clomid from my source - is any one lab better than another for these two products and are there any labs to stay away from for these two products?
 
sub_squoch said:
Newbie getting ready to start 1st cycle - im planning to keep it simple with 500mg test e per week (still deciding if i should pin once or twice a week) for 10 weeks. I assume this is the correct PCT for this cycle, correct? I am finding a lot of different makers/brands of nolva and clomid from my source - is any one lab better than another for these two products and are there any labs to stay away from for these two products?
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This is the correct PCT for your cycle. Correct.

There are a lot of good labs, and a lot of really poor ones. Check the source reviews section on the board here to see what kind of reviews come up on the labs you are thinking about using.
 
muskate said:
This is the correct PCT for your cycle. Correct.

There are a lot of good labs, and a lot of really poor ones. Check the source reviews section on the board here to see what kind of reviews come up on the labs you are thinking about using.
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Thanks for the reply. I notice many members name dropping sources, which surprised me as i was always under the impression that should be kept hush hush -- so if i post the labs im thinking about using to get feedback, is that ok? I dont see it listed as a no-no in the forum rules so i am assuming it is??

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sub_squoch said:
Thanks for the reply. I notice many members name dropping sources, which surprised me as i was always under the impression that should be kept hush hush -- so if i post the labs im thinking about using to get feedback, is that ok? I dont see it listed as a no-no in the forum rules so i am assuming it is??

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The source section is just for that
 
I been dosing hcgenerate 5 capsules & n2guard first thing in the am instead of splitting it up throughout the day, is this bad and should I be switching it up. Ok day 12now I been doing this
 
chb1353 said:
I been dosing hcgenerate 5 capsules & n2guard first thing in the am instead of splitting it up throughout the day, is this bad and should I be switching it up. Ok day 12now I been doing this
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bro its no problem...you can do 1 time per day...though i split hcgenerate AM and before training....
 
Hello MasonicBB,

I came across your awesome write up while researching to solve I guess a somewhat "unique" situation I am in.
To keep it short and to the point about three years ago (i was 23) a "friend" of mine had me take pill form Dianabol for approximately two to three weeks. I ended up realizing what we was really doing got scared and quit immediately. No other supplements were taken outside of a supposed estrogen blocker.

I put on strength and size quickly then my life fell apart even quicker for unrelated reasons and I was out of the gym and out of shape within a few months. In heinssight I suppose I noticed potential hormonal imbalances but due to my life at the time blamed it all on stress and all I was going thru.

The past year I felt less "manly" then ever and have tried everything to "jumpstart" myself thru diet, back in the gym and other natural remedies. As you can assume I am not getting any better.

So my question to you is, should I try to run this pct or a different variation in an attempt to get me back on track?
Or would it be a waste of my time?
 
I don't think 2-3 weeks of dbol has anything to do with the issues you are going through. That is such a short time and you should have recovered fairly quickly from that even with no PCT. I would suggest first getting full blood work done to see where everything is at. You can also grab a bottle of N2Generate ES and run that.
 
Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Yes, that is the same as clomid.

I would definitely get the other 3 products if you can swing it financially. It will make a big difference in PCT. As for the arimidex, I wouldn't bother getting any more. I wouldn't run it in PCT at all actually unless you had a real problem with estrogen on cycle. If that was the case then continue to run it but just taper it down slowly. You want to avoid estrogen rebound. This is just one of the many reasons why aromasin is far superior to arimidex.

I sent you codes for N2BM and SARMS1 via PM.
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Can I get those discount codes also please?
 
krypto said:
This is the pct i always follow and it works perfectly for me of course if using long ester compounds like Test E i would wait till 2-3 weeks after last injection to start pct

Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg*
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg*
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg
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Do you include an AI in the cycle or PCT?
 
Great sticky! Need some PCT supplies and the links for Clomid/Nolva are taking me to a torrent site. Can you point me in the right direction please? (I'm in the US)
 
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