Tiredness. 2nd cycle.

[thechemicals]

In Feb2015 I was 189lbs at 5'7 at 27% bf give or take. Age 36. I started cardio and dropped to 168lbs 24% bf. By April but felt tired and unmotivated so I hired a personal trainer.

From April to end of May I went down to 12% body fat and 150 lbs. A clean non ped 8 week cycle of calisthenics and moderate lifting. I felt great and not tired.

Now im on my 12 week cycle of straight test prop/cyp and have gained 11 lbs at 161, and though im shooting test, I have been feeling tired at my 2 week. I dont know whats wrong but not as motivated as when I did the clean cycle though my first test prop week I felt beastly energetic. Has anyone had this experience on cycle? I sleep well and have a good diet, I dont eat any garbage, just occasional cheat days.

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[GTFORMULA]

Estrogen creeping up?

 

[nasty_sauce]

What Ai's do you have?

 

[thechemicals]

Arim

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[thechemicals]

.25 to 50 ed

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[gmoneypro]

In Feb2015 I was 189lbs at 5'7 at 27% bf give or take. Age 36. I started cardio and dropped to 168lbs 24% bf. By April but felt tired and unmotivated so I hired a personal trainer.

From April to end of May I went down to 12% body fat and 150 lbs. A clean non ped 8 week cycle of calisthenics and moderate lifting. I felt great and not tired.

Now im on my 12 week cycle of straight test prop/cyp and have gained 11 lbs at 161, and though im shooting test, I have been feeling tired at my 2 week. I dont know whats wrong but not as motivated as when I did the clean cycle though my first test prop week I felt beastly energetic. Has anyone had this experience on cycle? I sleep well and have a good diet, I dont eat any garbage, just occasional cheat days.

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I had the same problem a few years back and like you i was taking Armidex. I switched to aromasin eod 12.5 and about a week later I felt better. High estrogen makes you feel crappy.

 

[thechemicals]

I had the same problem a few years back and like you i was taking Armidex. I switched to aromasin eod 12.5 and about a week later I felt better. High estrogen makes you feel crappy.

Ill try that. Have some arom on hand from alpha

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[gmoneypro]

Ill try that. Have some arom on hand from alpha

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You do that and you won't go back to me Armidex. And if you add proviron too you will be like OMG!!! I didn't know life was this good. Lol. Who needs SSRIs

 

[Test-172]

You do that and you won't go back to me Armidex. And if you add proviron too you will be like OMG!!! I didn't know life was this good. Lol. Who needs SSRIs

Can you explain this a little more? Are you saying you think the e was knocked down too low or not enough, and what would be better about estane in this context? Also the proviron - can you talk more about your mood boost, and why it happens on proviron (if you know)?

 

[gmoneypro]

Can you explain this a little more? Are you saying you think the e was knocked down too low or not enough, and what would be better about estane in this context? Also the proviron - can you talk more about your mood boost, and why it happens on proviron (if you know)?

No I'm saying is estrogen count is high and the AI will help lower that. High estrogen cause mood swings, water retention, just really making you less motivated and crappy. They say proviron helps with libido, muscle hardening and vascularity. It also has some antidepressants properties as well as some AI properties too but enough to help lower your estrogen. So for me I won't do a cycle without proviron or Aromasin. Some people can just run Armidex. I found out the hard way that I am not one of those people. Hopefully that answer your question. One thing I should point out you will never know what is going on without blood work.

 

[gmoneypro]

I meant to say not enough to lower your estrogen. Also just in case you are wondering. SSRIs are antidepressants drugs

 

[VulcanLabs]

Get bloods. If its not estro related then the next cause of lethargy could be too much stress on the liver. I agree though aromasin is superior to adex, just need to find a balance


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[thechemicals]

I found out what it is . Not enough estrogen is Causing lethargy. Going to stop AI s little bit, its draining my estrogen. Im not on a high weekly test dose, under 600 per week.

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[LevButlerov]

I found out what it is . Not enough estrogen is Causing lethargy. Going to stop AI s little bit, its draining my estrogen. Im not on a high weekly test dose, under 600 per week.

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No need to stop AI - just use Aromasin instead of Arimidex. Arimidex is some heavy artillery, which you should not use unless there are some gyno issues and such.

 

[stevesmi]

I honestly think that gaining 11 pounds that fast is going to make your body rebel against you.

also good chance you are retaining water even with that AI. would have preferred after that cut you did you bulked back up slowly and built a strong base, then hopped on juice. i think a natty at your height can easily get to 165-170 without steroids

 

[thechemicals]

Yeah. I waited 8 weeks on a clean cycle before starting aas cycle and cut extreme fat off. Gained 11 lbs in 2 weeks off test prop. Been working out often and last 3 days I gassed out completely. Last night tried so hard to do arms and ended up just doing biceps then passing out. Im physically spent.

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[gmoneypro]

Yeah. I waited 8 weeks on a clean cycle before starting aas cycle and cut extreme fat off. Gained 11 lbs in 2 weeks off test prop. Been working out often and last 3 days I gassed out completely. Last night tried so hard to do arms and ended up just doing biceps then passing out. Im physically spent.

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Do you plan on getting blood work done? That is the only way you can diagnosis what's going on

 

[muskate]

Get blood work done.

What does your life look like outside of the gym? High stress? How much sleep are you getting? What does your diet look like? Etc.

 

[PK2]

Rookie move tanking E2