Approved Log My First Testosterone Cycle Log

[UncleJack]

Hey all!
Starting my first cycle and first log.
I'm 9 weeks late to starting this so I'm 9 weeks deep into my first ever cycle!
Running Test E at 500-600mg/week. Dosing 3x/week to help manage E2 sides and to ideally avoid AIs (although likely to come to an end shortly). Initially commenced at 350mg and titrated up over time as I was maybe a little too eager and felt underwhelmed about how things "felt".
No AI or SERMs
Supplements include fish oil, Vit D when sun exposure is poor, Creatine, protein powder, occasional melatonin and premiumsupps Warrior preworkout. The beta alanine dose in this pre feels like ants are crawling in my skin
As well as prophylactic Telmisartan at 40mg daily. Blood pressure typically reads around 130-135/65-75. I've learnt this is likely E2 affecting water retention or RAAS upregulation.
Bloods will be included in this log including my current point in time in dosing.

A bit about me: 165cm height, current weight 76kg, 28 years old male with 12 years training experience ranging from calisthenics to powerlifting to now a mix of calisthenics and bodybuilding. As per the title, this is my first cycle.

I like to train like it's my last day on earth and sometimes treat my food the same most recently I decided to start a mini cut eating 1800cals (it's aggressive but I'm choosing to go hard and fast). Macros are 140P/230C/40F.
Sleep is fairly good getting approx 8 hours every night. I do my best to eat clean foods, but food intake can at times be my short fall, particularly since commencing this cycle.

Currently a concern is my E2 levels, currently I think my main E2 sides are acne and water retention (leading to a higher systolic) and possibly mood swings .

I hope to do my best at frequently updating this thread and engage with the community more!

In the future (near or far), Anavar may be included for additional gains at 20mg daily for 4 weeks, I am trying to keep those thoughts at bay as it's my first cycle and there's no need to get carried away, but stay tuned

 

[s.gentz]

Welcome @UncleJack! Great start to the log. Can you get some physique pics up?
You never mention what the goal of the cycle is or how long your are running it?
Your 9 weeks in so winding down in the next couple weeks?
You mention a hard cut but hen below that taking anavar for "additional gains".
Can you timeline all of this? Seems a bit much if your planning all of this on your current cycle.
The first cycle you do should really be growth focused. You don't need to take gear to cut unless your competing and worried about muscle retention.

 

[UncleJack]

Welcome @UncleJack! Great start to the log. Can you get some physique pics up?
You never mention what the goal of the cycle is or how long your are running it?
Your 9 weeks in so winding down in the next couple weeks?
You mention a hard cut but hen below that taking anavar for "additional gains".
Can you timeline all of this? Seems a bit much if your planning all of this on your current cycle.
The first cycle you do should really be growth focused. You don't need to take gear to cut unless your competing and worried about muscle retention.

Hey there, I plan on getting some physique shots in the coming days and will get them up asap!
I apologise for missing information, Ive been trying to edit my initial post but can't find how.. the initial goal.of this cycle is multifactorial, wanting to see how I respond to test in terms of tolerability, blood, and also improvements in strength and physique. A couple other less "sport" and more personal reasons too.
As for cycle duration, the initial intention was 12 weeks then to cruise at 200mg or so, however as my bloods look fine (outside of E2) I'm more likely going to see how 16 and/or 20 weeks looks like.
As for the hard cut, that will be run for about 3 weeks as I'm only wanting to lose a few kilos before I begin my nursing placement and need to switch my mindset over. So that would end around week 12 and then the Anavar is a mere thought that I know shouldn't be, but to experience what all the fuss is about and to harden up plus gain strength rapidly. That would be planned for week 16 to 20 to finish the cycle up and cruise thereafter.

 

[coolguy77711]

Hey brother awesome to see you up with a log.
You could change your cycle a bit to include either primo mast or eq to help with the e2 but I may almost be inclined to take some letro and drop out the e2.
That being said.. if you don't have any sides ie gyno, acne mood etc you might be OK.
I'm currently doing a 1-2 test to primo ratio and my e2 came back at 150.
I'd recommend dropping the test a bit and adding in some mast if your going for that dry look.

 

[UncleJack]

Hey brother awesome to see you up with a log.
You could change your cycle a bit to include either primo mast or eq to help with the e2 but I may almost be inclined to take some letro and drop out the e2.
That being said.. if you don't have any sides ie gyno, acne mood etc you might be OK.
I'm currently doing a 1-2 test to primo ratio and my e2 came back at 150.
I'd recommend dropping the test a bit and adding in some mast if your going for that dry look.

Hey bro!
I have been considering primo too but been forcing myself to "chill" and not get carried away and in over my head with other compounds, but definitely chasing that dry look
Luckily however no gyno, but acne is there and comes in swings, and so can the mood
If I were to do say letro or Asin staying on just test, what sort of dose/frequency would you say to start with and then adjust need be?

 

[coolguy77711]

Hey bro!
I have been considering primo too but been forcing myself to "chill" and not get carried away and in over my head with other compounds, but definitely chasing that dry look
Luckily however no gyno, but acne is there and comes in swings, and so can the mood
If I were to do say letro or Asin staying on just test, what sort of dose/frequency would you say to start with and then adjust need be?

It's so dependent on you unfortunately.
If you want to drip e2 use letro if you want to stop sides use armidex.
Even try proviron as well for e2 it's pretty mild but so is mast

 

[abz.dwbro]

This is why you start low.

Get bloods.

Then titrate up.

Going by feel isn't for begginers.

And you aren't gonna feel 4 weeks of test anyway.
It's not Tren.

Jacking up the dose to 600 on your first cycle at 76kg then getting bloods and going oh shit my oestradiol is 450, is dumb in 3 different ways.

Mast won't do shit to lower your oestradiol.

Primo and EQ on the other hand will, but you're playing a guessing game with dosages and a waiting game until they saturate.

Just start taking 0.25mg adex EOD, it will start lowering serum E2 levels within 24 hours.

Adex doesn't "stop sides", it's an AI and it will tank your E2 if you abuse it.

Letro is simply a more effective AI.

 

[abz.dwbro]

include either primo mast or eq to help with the e2

may almost be inclined to take some letro and drop out the e2.

recommend dropping the test a bit and adding in some mast if your going for that dry look.

If you want to drip e2 use letro if you want to stop sides use armidex.

Even try proviron as well for e2 it's pretty mild but so is mast

No offence bro, you're not ready to be giving out cycle advice, and I think you're probably aware of that. You've given this guy 6 different answers and half of it is wrong.

 

[s.gentz]

No offence bro, you're not ready to be giving out cycle advice, and I think you're probably aware of that. You've given this guy 6 different answers and half of it is wrong.

You beat me to it. It's this dudes first cycle and @coolguy77711 is def not being helpful here.

 

[stevesmi]

have you checked out the other logs on here and seeing how guys are training and eating it's really helpful
it definitely get one going this way we can give you the most specific advice

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey all!
Starting my first cycle and first log.
I'm 9 weeks late to starting this so I'm 9 weeks deep into my first ever cycle!
Running Test E at 500-600mg/week. Dosing 3x/week to help manage E2 sides and to ideally avoid AIs (although likely to come to an end shortly). Initially commenced at 350mg and titrated up over time as I was maybe a little too eager and felt underwhelmed about how things "felt".
No AI or SERMs
Supplements include fish oil, Vit D when sun exposure is poor, Creatine, protein powder, occasional melatonin and premiumsupps Warrior preworkout. The beta alanine dose in this pre feels like ants are crawling in my skin
As well as prophylactic Telmisartan at 40mg daily. Blood pressure typically reads around 130-135/65-75. I've learnt this is likely E2 affecting water retention or RAAS upregulation.
Bloods will be included in this log including my current point in time in dosing.

A bit about me: 165cm height, current weight 76kg, 28 years old male with 12 years training experience ranging from calisthenics to powerlifting to now a mix of calisthenics and bodybuilding. As per the title, this is my first cycle.

I like to train like it's my last day on earth and sometimes treat my food the same most recently I decided to start a mini cut eating 1800cals (it's aggressive but I'm choosing to go hard and fast). Macros are 140P/230C/40F.
Sleep is fairly good getting approx 8 hours every night. I do my best to eat clean foods, but food intake can at times be my short fall, particularly since commencing this cycle.

Currently a concern is my E2 levels, currently I think my main E2 sides are acne and water retention (leading to a higher systolic) and possibly mood swings .

I hope to do my best at frequently updating this thread and engage with the community more!

In the future (near or far), Anavar may be included for additional gains at 20mg daily for 4 weeks, I am trying to keep those thoughts at bay as it's my first cycle and there's no need to get carried away, but stay tuned

@UncleJack welcome fully to the EVO family now approved your log.

Cycle
I would start with 10mgs aromasin EOD to control the estrogen issues
But we need to control the E2 its serious.

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good, for example you show 140 grams of protein which is not enough, you need at least 200 grams
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

thank you and share more

 

[UncleJack]

This is why you start low.

Get bloods.

Then titrate up.

Going by feel isn't for begginers.

And you aren't gonna feel 4 weeks of test anyway.
It's not Tren.

Jacking up the dose to 600 on your first cycle at 76kg then getting bloods and going oh shit my oestradiol is 450, is dumb in 3 different ways.

Mast won't do shit to lower your oestradiol.

Primo and EQ on the other hand will, but you're playing a guessing game with dosages and a waiting game until they saturate.

Just start taking 0.25mg adex EOD, it will start lowering serum E2 levels within 24 hours.

Adex doesn't "stop sides", it's an AI and it will tank your E2 if you abuse it.

Letro is simply a more effective AI.

Nah you're definitely right man, I definitely let my excitement and head get the better of me.
It's been so many years of wanting to hop on and found it was easy to get carrier away, even understanding that Test E isnt like Prop, but still, chose to be a dickhead.
Regardless of the 'excuses', you're right on this being dumb.

 

[UncleJack]

So here's today's training session!
A: Hack Squats 31X1 (Tempo to keep week to week consistent) 4x12x60kg
B: RDL 31X1 - 3x12x80kg
C: Pendulum Squats 30X0 - 3x18x50kg
D: Lying Leg curls 31X0 - 4x13x42.5kg
E1: Standing calf raises 23X1 - 4x11x70kg
E2: KB Farmer Pulses - 3x35s 32kg
Lower back was suffering today with intense pumps, speculating maybe the E2 as there's no injury present - will be in touch with a vendor asap to get this sorted
No cardio today (other than some light walking)
Had pre workout warrior (premiumsupps)
Post workout - 45g of whey + 30g of dextrose (to come back to life after legs) - 294 Cal's with 1516 remaining for the day
No food until dinner

Included as well are some physique photos, never been one to pose so find it kinda hard to position and find the right angle, hopefully you all get the gist more or less where I'm at.

 

[LevButlerov]

So here's today's training session!
A: Hack Squats 31X1 (Tempo to keep week to week consistent) 4x12x60kg
B: RDL 31X1 - 3x12x80kg
C: Pendulum Squats 30X0 - 3x18x50kg
D: Lying Leg curls 31X0 - 4x13x42.5kg
E1: Standing calf raises 23X1 - 4x11x70kg
E2: KB Farmer Pulses - 3x35s 32kg
Lower back was suffering today with intense pumps, speculating maybe the E2 as there's no injury present - will be in touch with a vendor asap to get this sorted
No cardio today (other than some light walking)
Had pre workout warrior (premiumsupps)
Post workout - 45g of whey + 30g of dextrose (to come back to life after legs) - 294 Cal's with 1516 remaining for the day
No food until dinner

Included as well are some physique photos, never been one to pose so find it kinda hard to position and find the right angle, hopefully you all get the gist more or less where I'm at.
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@UncleJack the lower back pump, you taking electrolytes and taurine?

training is on point strong

and you look amazing thick wide back, strong arms, powerful legs, amazing body and base we can build from there

 

[UncleJack]

@UncleJack the lower back pump, you taking electrolytes and taurine?

training is on point strong

and you look amazing thick wide back, strong arms, powerful legs, amazing body and base we can build from there

Yeah the preworkout has lots of taurine and I take electrolytes from bulk nutrients daily
Appreciate the kind words bro
Have also ordered aromasin and will begin 10mg EOD

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah the preworkout has lots of taurine and I take electrolytes from bulk nutrients daily
Appreciate the kind words bro
Have also ordered aromasin and will begin 10mg EOD

lets get it started @UncleJack

how much taurine and electrolytes there? check amounts

 

[Mobster]

This is why you start low.

Get bloods.

Then titrate up.

Going by feel isn't for begginers.

And you aren't gonna feel 4 weeks of test anyway.
It's not Tren.

Jacking up the dose to 600 on your first cycle at 76kg then getting bloods and going oh shit my oestradiol is 450, is dumb in 3 different ways.

Mast won't do shit to lower your oestradiol.

Primo and EQ on the other hand will, but you're playing a guessing game with dosages and a waiting game until they saturate.

Just start taking 0.25mg adex EOD, it will start lowering serum E2 levels within 24 hours.

Adex doesn't "stop sides", it's an AI and it will tank your E2 if you abuse it.

Letro is simply a more effective AI.

100% correct

 

[UncleJack]

lets get it started @UncleJack

how much taurine and electrolytes there? check amounts

1000mg but I take 3/4 of the serve to have 300mg of caffeine and not 400mg, find I get a bit too 'wired'. So that gives me 750mg of taurine
Electrolytes in elemental equivalents
Magnesium: 180mg
Potassium: 120mg
Calcium: 40mg
Sodium: 60mg

 

[LevButlerov]

1000mg but I take 3/4 of the serve to have 300mg of caffeine and not 400mg, find I get a bit too 'wired'. So that gives me 750mg of taurine
Electrolytes in elemental equivalents
Magnesium: 180mg
Potassium: 120mg
Calcium: 40mg
Sodium: 60mg

120mgs of potassium is nothing, same with sodium.
For example, during fasting you need 2-3 grams of potassium and roughly 2-3 grams of sodium with around 500mgs magnesium, of course thats fasted but in bodybuilding if you controlling meals, your electrolyte intake might be too low. I suggest adding some straight electrolytes, powder is cheapest but not on taste lol @UncleJack

 

[Quadsweep]

welcome Uncle to The Forum
I'm glad that you're getting the log up we will follow