Suspended Wildcats order issues / potential scam?

[Zezima27]

Hey guys,
Been lurking this forum for years and have bought from many sources/vendors off of here, never really posted or chucked up reviews until this one.

Recently saw Wildcats bundle of 10x Test e for $500 and thought it was an amazing deal. I jumped onto it knowing I’ve bought from him previously in the past and that he was reliable with it. Quick responses from him up until I sent him money to where he just disappears and stops replying. I replied to a thread with other members having the same issues with him and hoping for some clarity. After being called out he quickly responded to me and said he was having some personal issues and it will be sent out with extras; leading me to sympathise with him and feel bad. After his initial response he went back to ghosting.

Be cautious people, I’ll post updates on here.

 

[test247365]

You left ur name n address on the screen shots bro, might want to ask if they can be edited

 

[CypherOCE]

Hey guys,
Been lurking this forum for years and have bought from many sources/vendors off of here, never really posted or chucked up reviews until this one.

Recently saw Wildcats bundle of 10x Test e for $500 and thought it was an amazing deal. I jumped onto it knowing I’ve bought from him previously in the past and that he was reliable with it. Quick responses from him up until I sent him money to where he just disappears and stops replying. I replied to a thread with other members having the same issues with him and hoping for some clarity. After being called out he quickly responded to me and said he was having some personal issues and it will be sent out with extras; leading me to sympathise with him and feel bad. After his initial response he went back to ghosting.

Be cautious people, I’ll post updates on here.

Would’ve received it by now even with regular post that ain’t right.

@Eddie Haskell

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Deleted his address pic.

WC has 24 hours before suspension @WildcatLabs

 

[vialturn]

Any update

 

[Zezima27]

thanks lads, thought I edited out those out, the name was a fake name I always use No update or response from Wildcat

 

[6foothasbulla]

I hope everything goes well

 

[ez2plz]

I don't know him
Personally but I'll msg see if he wb

 

[masterlabs]

if it doesnt work out man contact me and i will try to help you out with orders

 

[ODINLABS]

Brother use the trusted suppliers on here always ffs

 

[Pigsy]

I've also reach out to him on multiple messaging platforms, with no answer. Best to use other trusted Vendors.

 

[Snayaz]

You left ur name n address on the screen shots bro, might want to ask if they can be edited

We know we’re you live jkz

 

[Zezima27]

Brother use the trusted suppliers on here always ffs

Ahh I used him previously and saw under probation so I figured as much to be okay

 

[Trenhead3cc]

Brother use the trusted suppliers on here always ffs

Wildcat was a very trustworthy source in the past, before your time on Evo.
As he mentioned had ordered from in the past. I previously ordered multiple times from wildcat probably 4-5 orders all landed. Back before his break.
I hope the gear lands for this lad, and everything is ok for the vendor aswell.
But yes not ideal time frame and being non responsive isn’t good enough.

 

[Liquid Gold Labs]

Ahh I used him previously and saw under probation so I figured as much to be okay

Hey brother - we are sorting this on his behalf so first business day being Monday it will be sent.

His a solid guy - we are going to make sure you are very well taken care of on his behalf.

Please update forum once you received your parcel which has been packed

Tracking will be available next business day as discussed.

No need to ban wildcat @Eddie Haskell you have our word that there will not be a repeat of this - and if there is you can hold us fully accountable brother

 

[Liquid Gold Labs]

Wildcat spent years building his business and can thoroughly vouch for for him - EVO is a brotherhood and we look after each other

 

[JackedPingu]

Wildcat spent years building his business and can thoroughly vouch for for him - EVO is a brotherhood and we look after each other

Love this, need more positivity like this.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

@WildcatLabs has been suspended.

He took money and didn’t deliver, looks like a typical exit scam.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Wildcat spent years building his business and can thoroughly vouch for for him - EVO is a brotherhood and we look after each other

Nothing against Wildcat @WildcatLabs but from the optics looks like he exit scammed.
He took money from EVO family members, didn’t ship product, strung them along and disappeared with the money. There is nothing honorable about it.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

@WildcatLabs has been suspended.

He took money and didn’t deliver, looks like a typical exit scam.

@Pigsy @R&Dpharma @Trenhead3cc @AE1079 @JackedPingu

 

[AE1079]

@Pigsy @R&Dpharma @Trenhead3cc @AE1079 @JackedPingu

I believe @Liquid Gold Labs will be trying to help wildcat in this situation out of his own kindness - may be other things happening, Wildcat has been a great vendor for sometime who I have dealt with in the past with no issues.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I believe @Liquid Gold Labs will be trying to help wildcat in this situation out of his own kindness - may be other things happening, Wildcat has been a great vendor for sometime who I have dealt with in the past with no issues.

Very fair statement.

I am just disappointed at how wildcat left the EVO family hanging.

 

[Trenhead3cc]

I believe @Liquid Gold Labs will be trying to help wildcat in this situation out of his own kindness - may be other things happening, Wildcat has been a great vendor for sometime who I have dealt with in the past with no issues.

Well done stepping up to help @Liquid Gold Labs
Yes hopefully vendor is ok and safe. Nearly 1 month no response or product. Can understand the suspension,

 

[ODINLABS]

Wildcat was a very trustworthy source in the past, before your time on Evo.
As he mentioned had ordered from in the past. I previously ordered multiple times from wildcat probably 4-5 orders all landed. Back before his break.
I hope the gear lands for this lad, and everything is ok for the vendor aswell.
But yes not ideal time frame and being non responsive isn’t good enough.

Brother like I have said before you tell your clients when you take a break you be 100 percent transparent no guessing games and you don't take money and don't deliver regardless of the previous orders you are only as good as your last order.
Been around far longer than them also and it's gold. Advice
You are only. As good as your last order

 

[Liquid Gold Labs]

Nothing against Wildcat @WildcatLabs but from the optics looks like he exit scammed.
He took money from EVO family members, didn’t ship product, strung them along and disappeared with the money. There is nothing honorable about it.

I absolutely agree with you on this brother, there is nothing honourable about this particular situation.

From the optics and evidence presented In front of us yes, it looks like an exit scam - but the community know wildcat quite well, and if he wanted to exit scam he could take a lot more then $600 - exit scamming is not congruent with the wildcat we all know, and I'm sure many Aussie members of the EVO family can agree with us on this one - something isn't adding up here.

Wildcat has been asset to the community over the years and whilst this instance of behaviour is unacceptable, if context is provided on his behalf the community may see this in a different light.

We did reach out to @Zezima27 well before the 24 hours mark of when his suspension was to start

We offered a 20 percent bonus to the original 10 vials making it 12, so are a little disappointed that nothing was said in regards to this - by the same token we did tell him that will be sending his order out with no strings attached, so nothing against him at all, as he was put in a situation he never should have been and we are very empathetic to this.

Regardless of how this plays out now we will always keep true to our word and @Zezima27 will be made whole.

Nothing but love and respect for you @Eddie Haskell you have provided fair warning and followed through doing your due diligence - full transparency on your end and respect your decision always.

Just wish this didn't have to end up in the suspension of such a well loved member of the EVO family - because as said previously we can vouch thoroughly for his character as not only a vender but a person.

Very kind hearted and caring individual.

 

[R&Dpharma]

@Pigsy @R&Dpharma @Trenhead3cc @AE1079 @JackedPingu

it's unfortunate, but customers must be taken care of this was not the first instance of wildcat not responding but i think the 3rd in 2 weeks if he was having issues he should of refunded the money immediately

 

[Trenhead3cc]

Brother like I have said before you tell your clients when you take a break you be 100 percent transparent no guessing games and you don't take money and don't deliver regardless of the previous orders you are only as good as your last order.
Been around far longer than them also and it's gold. Advice
You are only. As good as your last order

I’m not disputing there isn’t an issue here.

I replied to your comment .. use approved sources for fuck sake - like claiming to this bloke it’s all his fault and he a dumbass or something.
Well he had ordered from him previously and those who have been here longer know wildcat wasn’t someone you would think there would be an issue.
This doesn’t look like an exit scam to me.

 

[AE1079]

I’m not disputing there isn’t an issue here.

I replied to your comment .. use approved sources for fuck sake - like claiming to this bloke it’s all his fault and he a dumbass or something.
Well he had ordered from him previously and those who have been here longer know wildcat wasn’t someone you would think there would be an issue.
This doesn’t look like an exit scam to me.

It wouldn’t be an exit scam - I have known wildcat for a little while and his a good bloke. He would’ve most likely just been going through shit. It does happen and we should give him the benefit of the doubt

 

[Flak]

I absolutely agree with you on this brother, there is nothing honourable about this particular situation.

From the optics and evidence presented In front of us yes, it looks like an exit scam - but the community know wildcat quite well, and if he wanted to exit scam he could take a lot more then $600 - exit scamming is not congruent with the wildcat we all know, and I'm sure many Aussie members of the EVO family can agree with us on this one - something isn't adding up here.

Wildcat has been asset to the community over the years and whilst this instance of behaviour is unacceptable, if context is provided on his behalf the community may see this in a different light.

We did reach out to @Zezima27 well before the 24 hours mark of when his suspension was to start

We offered a 20 percent bonus to the original 10 vials making it 12, so are a little disappointed that nothing was said in regards to this - by the same token we did tell him that will be sending his order out with no strings attached, so nothing against him at all, as he was put in a situation he never should have been and we are very empathetic to this.

Regardless of how this plays out now we will always keep true to our word and @Zezima27 will be made whole.

Nothing but love and respect for you @Eddie Haskell you have provided fair warning and followed through doing your due diligence - full transparency on your end and respect your decision always.

Just wish this didn't have to end up in the suspension of such a well loved member of the EVO family - because as said previously we can vouch thoroughly for his character as not only a vender but a person.

Very kind hearted and caring individual.

Fully agree with this. Obviously things can change and I don’t know wildcat personally but I’ve spoken to him a fair bit in the past and an exit scam doesn’t add up for me..

Face value, he’s been up there with one of the most genuine vendors I’ve dealt with and would take time out of his day to have genuine chats and offer advice on gear and gym without wanting you to spend money at the end of it.

I’m sure he has given away well in excess of the amount that he would have gained over the last few weeks if it was an exit scam as freebies also so doesn’t make sense

Understand the suspension but I hope if he comes back and proves he is properly back on board he can be reinstated. Also hope he is doing well and nothing has hit the fan for him

 

[ODINLABS]

I’m not disputing there isn’t an issue here.

I replied to your comment .. use approved sources for fuck sake - like claiming to this bloke it’s all his fault and he a dumbass or something.
Well he had ordered from him previously and those who have been here longer know wildcat wasn’t someone you would think there would be an issue.
This doesn’t look like an exit scam to me.

You are over reading into what I said... No one called anyone a dumbass
Its not good when any vendor ups and disappears in any way for vendors or for clients. Still your responsibility as a vendor to let clients know. My position on this doesn't change!

 

[Eddie Haskell]

This doesn’t look like an exit scam to me.

It wouldn’t be an exit scam

With all due respect @AE1079 and @Trenhead3cc, to the buyers who sent money and got no packages, it’s a scam.
If a vendor takes money and doesn’t ship, it’s a scam, purposefully or not.
If a vendor goes MIA, lies multiple times about shipments, keeps collecting money and not shipping while lying, then goes MIA, it looks like a scam.
We can mince words and call it ‘exit scam’ or ‘personal problems scam’, in the end it’s a scam to the end user.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Still your responsibility as a vendor to let clients know. My position on this doesn't change!

Exactly it’s up to the vendor to do their job.

 

[AE1079]

With all due respect @AE1079 and @Trenhead3cc, to the buyers who sent money and got no packages, it’s a scam.
If a vendor takes money and doesn’t ship, it’s a scam, purposefully or not.
If a vendor goes MIA, lies multiple times about shipments, keeps collecting money and not shipping while lying, then goes MIA, it looks like a scam.
We can mince words and call it ‘exit scam’ or ‘personal problems scam’, in the end it’s a scam to the end user.

I agree with the fact that if someone doesn’t get the product after paying in full - by definition is a scam agreed. I think I’m probably seeing the good in wildcat before as he has done solids and alotnfor the community, just a shame to see.

 

[AE1079]

Exactly it’s up to the vendor to do their job.

Yes agreed - I would be pissed myself if I didn’t get what I paid for. @Liquid Gold Labs will foot the bill on this one as a kind gesture

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Yes agreed - I would be pissed myself if I didn’t get what I paid for. @Liquid Gold Labs will foot the bill on this one as a kind gesture

@Liquid Gold Labs has been an amazing vendor in the EVO Aussie family. Trusted and honest, and he came forward to help Wildcat customers, big respect.

 

[Pigsy]

Good work @Liquid Gold Labs stepping up the plate. That's why I personally recommend @Liquid Gold Labs

 

[Dirt]

Sad thing is , a lot of vendors owe wildcat big time .
Hes helped out so many people behind the scenes .
He even gave away a whole shipment of raws to one vendor to help out with an issue they had .

I talk to him often , hes not doing well at the moment .
I don’t know whats happened here with this particular sale , but it’s fucked how someone can be labeled a scammer juat like that .

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Sad thing is , a lot of vendors owe wildcat big time .
Hes helped out so many people behind the scenes .
He even gave away a whole shipment of raws to one vendor to help out with an issue they had .

I talk to him often , hes not doing well at the moment .
I don’t know whats happened here with this particular sale , but it’s fucked how someone can be labeled a scammer juat like that .

I’m sure wildcat is a great guy personally. Maybe the best.

However, reality is Wildcat took money for products, strung customers along then disappeared. Didn’t ship, didn’t return the money, didn’t reply to customers. And this isn’t the first time he had complaints like this.
Since you talk to him often, you should tell him to refund the customers he took money from and didn’t ship their product.

 

[R&Dpharma]

I’m sure wildcat is a great guy personally. Maybe the best.

However, reality is Wildcat took money for products, strung customers along then disappeared. Didn’t ship, didn’t return the money, didn’t reply to customers. And this isn’t the first time he had complaints like this.
Since you talk to him often, you should tell him to refund the customers he took money from and didn’t ship their product.

Sad thing is , a lot of vendors owe wildcat big time .
Hes helped out so many people behind the scenes .
He even gave away a whole shipment of raws to one vendor to help out with an issue they had .

I talk to him often , hes not doing well at the moment .
I don’t know whats happened here with this particular sale , but it’s fucked how someone can be labeled a scammer juat like that .

if he wasn't in a position to fulfill the orders, he shouldn't of taken them. ill say this about any lab, the punishment for taking money needs to be consistent, whether the lab has been on evo for 6 months or 5 years. fair is fair

you wouldn't want me to take $500 of your hard earned right @Dirt

lucky @Liquid Gold Labs has him covered

 

[Eddie Haskell]

if he wasn't in a position to fulfill the orders, he shouldn't of taken them. ill say this about any lab, the punishment for taking money needs to be consistent, whether the lab has been on evo for 6 months or 5 years. fair is fair

you wouldn't want me to take $500 of your hard earned right @Dirt

I fully agree @R&Dpharma.

Furthermore, we shouldn’t confuse personal feelings and professional responsibility here. A lot of personal discussions I see in this thread about how great wildcat is/was.
He might be an amazing person on a personal level, no doubt, but his business aka his lab scammed EVO family members. Wildcat took money for product and ran, this is called exit scamming.

Thank you @Liquid Gold Labs for taking care of this, but you shouldn’t have to do this. Wildcat should have shipped what he promised and not exit scammed. Or if he couldn’t ship product, he should have refunded all EVO family members he took money from.

 

[ODINLABS]

Exactly facts and feelings are two totally different things

 

[Corn Gromwell]

Can we not throw the term “exit scam” around without any proof.

Exit scamming is systematic mass deception (ie. Ausjuice 2.0) - where’s the evidence of that here?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Can we not throw the term “exit scam” around without any proof.

Exit scamming is systematic mass deception (ie. Ausjuice 2.0) - where’s the evidence of that here?

You should read back. Wildcat story started sometime back. He already took money and made empty promises before, followed by him stringing along customers and disappearing with the money.
We have a terminology issue, from a regular user perspective who lost money to wildcat, exit scam or scam or theft are all just words. A scam is a scam no matter how you justify it.

To me, exit scam is not systematic mass deception, it’s much more simple. Take money on way out, don’t ship products and disappear with money, this is exit scamming.

 

[Zezima27]

Hey guys,
Sorry I’ve been MIA. I can confirm @Liquid Gold Labs has stepped up to the plate and taken on an issue that he definitely has no obligation to. I know it’s not much but I’m happy to get blood work (before and after) done on his product and log how it’s all going for me. It’s the least I can do for this legend and keen to see how it pans out

 

[Pigsy]

Hey guys,
Sorry I’ve been MIA. I can confirm @Liquid Gold Labs has stepped up to the plate and taken on an issue that he definitely has no obligation to. I know it’s not much but I’m happy to get blood work (before and after) done on his product and log how it’s all going for me. It’s the least I can do for this legend and keen to see how it pans out

You'll be very happy with @Liquid Gold Labs products brother

 

[RodFarva]

Hey guys,
Sorry I’ve been MIA. I can confirm @Liquid Gold Labs has stepped up to the plate and taken on an issue that he definitely has no obligation to. I know it’s not much but I’m happy to get blood work (before and after) done on his product and log how it’s all going for me. It’s the least I can do for this legend and keen to see how it pans out

lets get a photo up bro✌

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Hey guys,
Sorry I’ve been MIA. I can confirm @Liquid Gold Labs has stepped up to the plate and taken on an issue that he definitely has no obligation to. I know it’s not much but I’m happy to get blood work (before and after) done on his product and log how it’s all going for me. It’s the least I can do for this legend and keen to see how it pans out

@Zezima27 amazing @Liquid Gold Labs is very respected in the EVO family for a reason.
You can do something else besides bloods, can you start a training log for LGL? Would be very positive and honourable of you.

 

[Dirt]

All the boys who recieved freebies from wildcat in the past …… would be cool if you returned the favour .