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toddthelineman said:
Yes I had high hematocrit and hemoglobin. Probably for a long time. It didn’t take much for me to get out of range unfortunately
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Whether giving blood actually made me feel better, or the relief that I had done something positive for my health place led me, I can’t be sure. But the feeling lasted a while. I definitely had more energy
 
waggat said:
I normally have steak medium-rare.
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Should be rare if you can do it :D
waggat said:
Yeah chocolate milk. Not sure how long it's been since I drank that. They have a pretty big supply of free snacks to choose from afterwards.
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Come on only chocolate we allow here is Chocolate whey protein :P sorry I had to. @waggat
waggat said:
One thing I haven't been including is my weight. I'll start doing that from now on.

From my records I have the following for recently:

3 Sept - 97.0kg
4 Sept - 96.7kg
8 Sept - 96.8kg
9 Sept - 96.6kg
11 Sept - 96.5kg
13 Sept - 97.0kg

Pretty steady so that's what I'm hoping for.
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weight stable, where do you want it to go?
 
toddthelineman said:
Whether giving blood actually made me feel better, or the relief that I had done something positive for my health place led me, I can’t be sure. But the feeling lasted a while. I definitely had more energy
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We just found out on Canada our government blood service has been selling donated plasma to a for profit company that has been selling it's products international. Our state funded media actually uncovered it.
 
LevButlerov said:
Should be rare if you can do it :D

Come on only chocolate we allow here is Chocolate whey protein :P sorry I had to. @waggat

weight stable, where do you want it to go?
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Hmmm good question.

Before I started TRT I had cut my calories back a bit hoping to lean up a bit.

I guess my issue is that to start looking decent I need to lose fat and gain muscle.

I'm not sure what the best approach is. If left to me, I was probably going to eat an amount that kept my weight steady hoping to lose some fat and gain some muscle. I guess this may not be ideal.

I think I need to at least get to a point where my abs are showing (in terms of a level of leanness) before I consider a proper growth cycle.

Am open to suggestions on the best course of action.
 
waggat said:
Hmmm good question.

Before I started TRT I had cut my calories back a bit hoping to lean up a bit.

I guess my issue is that to start looking decent I need to lose fat and gain muscle.

I'm not sure what the best approach is. If left to me, I was probably going to eat an amount that kept my weight steady hoping to lose some fat and gain some muscle. I guess this may not be ideal.

I think I need to at least get to a point where my abs are showing (in terms of a level of leanness) before I consider a proper growth cycle.

Am open to suggestions on the best course of action.
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I suggest we try to cut a bit more before bulking, what do you think? how about 5kg drop as a plan :D @waggat
 
waggat said:
Yeah I'm fairly settled now with the new macros and 300g protein.
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Just came across your log @waggat and will be following. Great work on getting the macros dialed in! If you check my log (attached to my message - link below) I run protein at 600-700g with fat about half that and carbs under 50g. Keeps me lean and dry even at 205lbs all year round. Everyone's metabolism is different though. Love seeing the protein at 300+ with anyone who's done or doing the Dorian Yates program (or Mike Mentzer style).
 
HarleyGuy said:
Just came across your log @waggat and will be following. Great work on getting the macros dialed in! If you check my log (attached to my message - link below) I run protein at 600-700g with fat about half that and carbs under 50g. Keeps me lean and dry even at 205lbs all year round. Everyone's metabolism is different though. Love seeing the protein at 300+ with anyone who's done or doing the Dorian Yates program (or Mike Mentzer style).
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Hey mate, thanks for stopping by. 600-700g protein definitely means you earnt the protein king title!

I've never actually tried lower than about 100g carbs per day (from memory - that might have been 20 years ago).

Will check out your log.
 
BeMe said:
And where else
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Oh we already know there’s a huge market for all kinds of stuff like that here. Of course I e only heard about it in the private sector. There was a coroner or something in New Jersey he was selling bones and organs galore. Just going nuts. And that means he had a market
 
toddthelineman said:
Oh we already know there’s a huge market for all kinds of stuff like that here. Of course I e only heard about it in the private sector. There was a coroner or something in New Jersey he was selling bones and organs galore. Just going nuts. And that means he had a market
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Yea organs are big money.

Scary that our own government is selling our stuff
 
Food yesterday.

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Would have had some yoghurt or a shake after dinner to hit 300P but was stuffing around cleaning up and wanted to get to bed after.

Dinner was nice though!! Roast pork shoulder.

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Workout today.

15 min incline treadmill

15/09/25 - Day 2 - Pull 1

Rope straight arm pulldown (lb)
32.5x12, 42.5x10, 52.5x9, 57.5x8

Close grip pulldown (lb)
100x12, 140x11, 170x9, 190x8

HS one arm row (kg each side)
35x12, 45x11, 55x9, 65x9

Db bent over lateral (kg each hand)
6x13, 8x11, 9x10

Cable cross face pull (kg each side)
8.75x12, 11.25x11

Concentration curl (kg)
10x12, 15x10, 17.5x10

Incline curl (kg each side)
8x12, 10x10, 12.5x9

15 min incline treadmill

Workout felt good. I felt strong even with the extra volume compared to the old program.

I'll be starting the second week of the program around the start of the third week of the cycle so will be good going forward for comparisons week to week.
 
waggat said:
Workout today.

15 min incline treadmill

15/09/25 - Day 2 - Pull 1

Rope straight arm pulldown (lb)
32.5x12, 42.5x10, 52.5x9, 57.5x8

Close grip pulldown (lb)
100x12, 140x11, 170x9, 190x8

HS one arm row (kg each side)
35x12, 45x11, 55x9, 65x9

Db bent over lateral (kg each hand)
6x13, 8x11, 9x10

Cable cross face pull (kg each side)
8.75x12, 11.25x11

Concentration curl (kg)
10x12, 15x10, 17.5x10

Incline curl (kg each side)
8x12, 10x10, 12.5x9

15 min incline treadmill

Workout felt good. I felt strong even with the extra volume compared to the old program.

I'll be starting the second week of the program around the start of the third week of the cycle so will be good going forward for comparisons week to week.
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2nd week coming I like this week so far, strong and volume is up :D
waggat said:
Yeah a roast on Sunday night is a bit of a favourite.
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pics of roast? :P
 
waggat said:
Workout today.

15 min incline treadmill

15/09/25 - Day 2 - Pull 1

Rope straight arm pulldown (lb)
32.5x12, 42.5x10, 52.5x9, 57.5x8

Close grip pulldown (lb)
100x12, 140x11, 170x9, 190x8

HS one arm row (kg each side)
35x12, 45x11, 55x9, 65x9

Db bent over lateral (kg each hand)
6x13, 8x11, 9x10

Cable cross face pull (kg each side)
8.75x12, 11.25x11

Concentration curl (kg)
10x12, 15x10, 17.5x10

Incline curl (kg each side)
8x12, 10x10, 12.5x9

15 min incline treadmill

Workout felt good. I felt strong even with the extra volume compared to the old program.

I'll be starting the second week of the program around the start of the third week of the cycle so will be good going forward for comparisons week to week.
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Great volume and I like the cardio at the end. Flush out that lactic acid. Keep us posted daily.
 
HarleyGuy said:
Great volume and I like the cardio at the end. Flush out that lactic acid. Keep us posted daily.
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Yeah the volume is a bit different coming from 6 months + of DY style but it's what I was doing previously so all good.

The push day in particular will take a bit of getting used to (compared to a 4 way split) with shoulders after chest for example. Feels good having a pump in chest, shoulders and triceps though!
 
waggat said:
Going to give blood this morning. My trt doc suggested it. He said there was a slight increase in (I can't remember what exactly but) something to do with red blood cells. Here is a comparison.

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Doesn't seem like a very significant change and can there be natural variation? Anyway, I usually have high ferritin so regular blood donation helps that.
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@waggat yeah that’s very common in people that use steroids. It’s always good to give blood. I gave it once every quarter.
 
waggat said:
Didn't think to take pic of the full roast, just my plate. I should have as I actually got the crackling perfect for once!
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Next tiem pic or didnt happen :P
 
Food yesterday.

I forgot to log my workout and post workout shakes again so my numbers are off. Put a lot of effort into getting the macros right for dinner then remembered the shakes later.

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Dinner was alright. It's a pasta with chick peas with chicken on top. I used lentil pasta. Photo is from before I added another 100g chicken breast.

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Workout from today.

I think we're in business now hey. I had to add an extra set to a few exercises as my planned top set was too light. 😃

15 min incline treadmill

10 min foam roller and yoga style stretching

16/09/25 - Day 3 - Legs 1

Lying leg curl (lb)
1xwarmup, 75x12, 90x11, 105x9

SLDL (kg)
Warmup, 50x15, 65x12, 75x10, 80x15

Reverse lunge from step (kg each hand)
8x12, 14x11, 20x10, 26x9

HS squat (kg)
20x12, 40x11, 60x10

Calf machine (kg)
40x12, 70x11, 90x10, 110x10, 130x10

Dragon flags
2x15

Pallof press (lb)
27.5x13, 32.5x12

15 min incline treadmill
 
waggat said:
Workout from today.

I think we're in business now hey. I had to add an extra set to a few exercises as my planned top set was too light. 😃

15 min incline treadmill

10 min foam roller and yoga style stretching

16/09/25 - Day 3 - Legs 1

Lying leg curl (lb)
1xwarmup, 75x12, 90x11, 105x9

SLDL (kg)
Warmup, 50x15, 65x12, 75x10, 80x15

Reverse lunge from step (kg each hand)
8x12, 14x11, 20x10, 26x9

HS squat (kg)
20x12, 40x11, 60x10

Calf machine (kg)
40x12, 70x11, 90x10, 110x10, 130x10

Dragon flags
2x15

Pallof press (lb)
27.5x13, 32.5x12

15 min incline treadmill
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How's the rehab going?
 
Workout today.

Felt good even though I didn't have the best sleep.

Added an extra set to the first exercise due to needing more weight. Was able to get out good reps on the db bench press (usually when I do this second I'm fatigued).

Had one of the best tricep pumps I recall at the end.

15 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

18/09/25 - Push day

HS incline press (kg per side)
Warmup, 20x10, 27.5x10, 32.5x9, 37.5x8, 42.5x7

Flat db bench (kg each)
22.5x11, 27.5x10, 32.5x9

Db laterals bent arm (kg each)
Warmups X2, 10x10, 12.5x10, 15x8

Cable lateral (lb)
12.5x11, 15x10

Rope tricep pushdown
15x14, 20x11, 25x10

PJR pullover
22.5x12, 27.5x12, 32.5x10

15 min incline treadmill
 
waggat said:
Going to give blood this morning. My trt doc suggested it. He said there was a slight increase in (I can't remember what exactly but) something to do with red blood cells. Here is a comparison.

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Doesn't seem like a very significant change and can there be natural variation? Anyway, I usually have high ferritin so regular blood donation helps that.
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Good work on getting bloods
 
waggat said:
Food yesterday. Didn't quite hit the protein goal.... I could have had more but wanted to get to bed.

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Dinner last night was nice. Always a win when the kids like it. The recipe said it was Portugese chicken.

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I like the food, the protein is high :D
waggat said:
Workout today.

Felt good even though I didn't have the best sleep.

Added an extra set to the first exercise due to needing more weight. Was able to get out good reps on the db bench press (usually when I do this second I'm fatigued).

Had one of the best tricep pumps I recall at the end.

15 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

18/09/25 - Push day

HS incline press (kg per side)
Warmup, 20x10, 27.5x10, 32.5x9, 37.5x8, 42.5x7

Flat db bench (kg each)
22.5x11, 27.5x10, 32.5x9

Db laterals bent arm (kg each)
Warmups X2, 10x10, 12.5x10, 15x8

Cable lateral (lb)
12.5x11, 15x10

Rope tricep pushdown
15x14, 20x11, 25x10

PJR pullover
22.5x12, 27.5x12, 32.5x10

15 min incline treadmill
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Strong push day, hitting the incline press heavy first gave you more out of the dumbbell bench after, reps looked solid all the way through. Laterals with both dumbbells and cables gave your shoulders a full pump, good mix of angles. Triceps clearly blew up with the rope pushdowns and PJR pullovers to finish, no wonder that pump stood out. Cardio and stretching wrapped it up clean.
 
LevButlerov said:
I like the food, the protein is high :D

Strong push day, hitting the incline press heavy first gave you more out of the dumbbell bench after, reps looked solid all the way through. Laterals with both dumbbells and cables gave your shoulders a full pump, good mix of angles. Triceps clearly blew up with the rope pushdowns and PJR pullovers to finish, no wonder that pump stood out. Cardio and stretching wrapped it up clean.
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I like the HS incline as well because for the first few sets I can go one side at a time and put my non working hand on the pev and feel it contract.

Yeah with the two lateral raises I decided to do shoulder press on every second push day only so I wasn't getting too much pressing volume.
 
waggat said:
I like the HS incline as well because for the first few sets I can go one side at a time and put my non working hand on the pev and feel it contract.

Yeah with the two lateral raises I decided to do shoulder press on every second push day only so I wasn't getting too much pressing volume.
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You're really going to next level but careful with presses overhead with injuries :D
 
Workout today.

Another good one. Did I few exercises I haven't done for a while like tbar rows (I feel these in the lower lats more than any other exercise).

I'll see how I handle the volume. Plan is to do 6 days per week. May have to drop one back exercise or may end up dropping to 5 days per week.

15 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

19/09/25 - Pull day

HS pulldown (kg per side)
Warmup, 30x12, 40x11, 50x9, 55x8

Chest supported row (kg per side)
Warmup, 45x11, 55x10, 65x9

Tbar row (kg excl bar)
30x14, 40x12, 50x11

Shrugs (kg each side)
27.5x12, 32.5x10

Reverse cable fly (lb each side)
8.75x17, 12.5x13, 17x11

Hammer curl (kg each side)
Warmup, 15x10, 20x8, 22.5x8

Preacher curl machine (kg)
20x12, 30x9, 37.5x8

External rotations
 
waggat said:
@LevButlerov Thanks mate.

I'm currently targeting 300P, 225C and 100F. Does that sound about right?
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It's perfect but up the carbs to 250. :D
waggat said:
Workout today.

Another good one. Did I few exercises I haven't done for a while like tbar rows (I feel these in the lower lats more than any other exercise).

I'll see how I handle the volume. Plan is to do 6 days per week. May have to drop one back exercise or may end up dropping to 5 days per week.

15 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

19/09/25 - Pull day

HS pulldown (kg per side)
Warmup, 30x12, 40x11, 50x9, 55x8

Chest supported row (kg per side)
Warmup, 45x11, 55x10, 65x9

Tbar row (kg excl bar)
30x14, 40x12, 50x11

Shrugs (kg each side)
27.5x12, 32.5x10

Reverse cable fly (lb each side)
8.75x17, 12.5x13, 17x11

Hammer curl (kg each side)
Warmup, 15x10, 20x8, 22.5x8

Preacher curl machine (kg)
20x12, 30x9, 37.5x8

External rotations
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Strong pull day, the tbar rows were a good call and you can see why your lats lit up with those numbers. Volume across rows, pulldowns, and curls is high so running 6 days will test recovery, but you’re still handling good weights and clean rep ranges. If it starts to feel too much, cutting one pull movement or shifting to 5 days will keep strength climbing without beating up your joints. @waggat :D
 
waggat said:
Is anyone able to give advice on dosing for bpc-157 and tb500?

It's for possible bicep tendon inflammation and maybe very minor tennis elbow. It's not really bad... Doesn't really stop me from doing anything but I've had it for a while.

Was thinking of subq injection near the elbow like this:

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FYI I bought one of each of these:
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From what I've seen, BPC is dosed daily at ~250iu and TB twice weekly?
 
waggat said:
Is anyone able to give advice on dosing for bpc-157 and tb500?

It's for possible bicep tendon inflammation and maybe very minor tennis elbow. It's not really bad... Doesn't really stop me from doing anything but I've had it for a while.

Was thinking of subq injection near the elbow like this:

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Looks like I will need more TB500?
waggat said:
FYI I bought one of each of these:
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From what I've seen, BPC is dosed daily at ~250iu and TB twice weekly?
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Looks like I will need more TB500?

The 5mg of BPC gives me 250mcg per day for 20 days.

The 2mg TB only gives me 1 week at 1mg twice/week.

So should I get another 2 x TB?

That way can run the above for 3 weeks.
 
waggat said:
These were just crappy frozen ones unfortunately. I think they import them from Asia. We do have good fresh prawns here in Australia though.
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bro asian shrimp not as good as texas shrimp
 
waggat said:
Is anyone able to give advice on dosing for bpc-157 and tb500?

It's for possible bicep tendon inflammation and maybe very minor tennis elbow. It's not really bad... Doesn't really stop me from doing anything but I've had it for a while.

Was thinking of subq injection near the elbow like this:

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For bpc-157 most guys run around 250 to 500mcg daily split into 2 shots, subq close to the site is fine. Tb500 is usually 2 to 2.5mg twice per week, not daily, it works more systemic. Combo of both tends to calm tendon and soft tissue issues pretty quick if you’re consistent a few weeks. Since your pain is mild you don’t need to overdo it, just steady dosing and give it time. @waggat
 
Workout today.

BW = 97.2kg.

15 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

12/09/25 - Legs

Good workout. Upped the reps by 1-2 on most exercises.

Leg extension (kg)
2 X warmups, 82x13, 96x12, 110x11

HS leg press (kg)
1xwarmup, 160x14, 200x13, 240x12

Walking lunges (kg each hand)
13x11, 20x10

Back extension (kg)
15x15, 35x13, 45x12

Leg press machine calf (lb)
160x15, 250x12, 320x11, 380x11

Dead bugs
Planks
Pallof press

15 min incline treadmill
 
Hey I was just going through checking out your log. Looks good. I just got done with my first cycle after starting trt. You have a solid base a little better than mine was when i started. There’s some good advice to be had from the guys on here. I think what helped me the most was eating lots of protein. clean foods lots of intense cardio . some days my heart beat would be over 140 and usally between 150-160 for close to 25 minutes. The fat melts off i would warm up for 10 minutes on the treadmill usally sometimes the elliptical and stair stepper then crush it for 25-30 minutes especially the first 9 weeks the last couple weeks it’s been closer to 15-20 minutes of max intensity. I did the cardio like that three days a week i’m going to keep up with ya and see how you progress good luck
 
milbous1 said:
Hey I was just going through checking out your log. Looks good. I just got done with my first cycle after starting trt. You have a solid base a little better than mine was when i started. There’s some good advice to be had from the guys on here. I think what helped me the most was eating lots of protein. clean foods lots of intense cardio . some days my heart beat would be over 140 and usally between 150-160 for close to 25 minutes. The fat melts off i would warm up for 10 minutes on the treadmill usally sometimes the elliptical and stair stepper then crush it for 25-30 minutes especially the first 9 weeks the last couple weeks it’s been closer to 15-20 minutes of max intensity. I did the cardio like that three days a week i’m going to keep up with ya and see how you progress good luck
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Hey mate,

Yeah I've been checking out your log.

Too true what you're saying. I always felt hard done by due to poor genetics but definitely could have been doing more, ie wasn't tracking cals and wasn't doing any cardio.

Having decent test levels helps of course. I felt I hadn't made gains in years and then after 2-3 weeks on TRT was actually increasing lifts session to session.
 
waggat said:
Hey mate,

Yeah I've been checking out your log.

Too true what you're saying. I always felt hard done by due to poor genetics but definitely could have been doing more, ie wasn't tracking cals and wasn't doing any cardio.

Having decent test levels helps of course. I felt I hadn't made gains in years and then after 2-3 weeks on TRT was actually increasing lifts session to session.
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@waggat is the exact opposite of you @milbous1

Waggat is a super aromatizer and his e2 was insanely high off mild TRT doses. Versus Milbous does whatever he wants and his e2 barely even moves, stays pinned right in the middle of the range. Me I'm right in the middle of you guys where my e2 seems to rise pretty proportionally with my test dose.

Crazy how different we are all inside eh? This is just all trial and error for everyone cuz no one solution universally works the same with all of us.
 
BeMe said:
@waggat is the exact opposite of you @milbous1

Waggat is a super aromatizer and his e2 was insanely high off mild TRT doses. Versus Milbous does whatever he wants and his e2 barely even moves, stays pinned right in the middle of the range. Me I'm right in the middle of you guys where my e2 seems to rise pretty proportionally with my test dose.

Crazy how different we are all inside eh? This is just all trial and error for everyone cuz no one solution universally works the same with all of us.
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That is crazy how different we all are. I started the tamoxifen right after i gave blood for my first test after i started my cycle because my right nip was on fire and my chest where it meets in my arm pit. and my e2 was 15 with that test. makes no sense. prolactin was a little on the higher end of the middle of the range but well inside range. i quit taking it because of sides it was some old stuff i got from a site that sells arms years ago. I tried ostarine wasn’t really impressed. i ordered tamoxifen domestic shipping with ug freak and by the time it got here spicy nip and stuff was back took it and everything was gravy until recently with dry squeaky feeling joints. Got some npp 100 going to do 15 every other day should put me at 52.5 mg a week with my trt dose see if that helps with joints and tendons. also keep up with my supplements.
 
milbous1 said:
That is crazy how different we all are. I started the tamoxifen right after i gave blood for my first test after i started my cycle because my right nip was on fire and my chest where it meets in my arm pit. and my e2 was 15 with that test. makes no sense. prolactin was a little on the higher end of the middle of the range but well inside range. i quit taking it because of sides it was some old stuff i got from a site that sells arms years ago. I tried ostarine wasn’t really impressed. i ordered tamoxifen domestic shipping with ug freak and by the time it got here spicy nip and stuff was back took it and everything was gravy until recently with dry squeaky feeling joints. Got some npp 100 going to do 15 every other day should put me at 52.5 mg a week with my trt dose see if that helps with joints and tendons. also keep up with my supplements.
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Maybe try upping your fish oil and collagen peptides too.

I ran NPP on my cycle and didn't really notice the joint benefits people talk about. It's another one of those things that's big for some and nothing for others. Unfortunately for my beat to shit joints I'm in the no results camp lol. But it was amazing for everything else.
 
BeMe said:
@waggat is the exact opposite of you @milbous1

Waggat is a super aromatizer and his e2 was insanely high off mild TRT doses. Versus Milbous does whatever he wants and his e2 barely even moves, stays pinned right in the middle of the range. Me I'm right in the middle of you guys where my e2 seems to rise pretty proportionally with my test dose.

Crazy how different we are all inside eh? This is just all trial and error for everyone cuz no one solution universally works the same with all of us.
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Yeah with the little I knew until recently, I always thought anyone on a cycle dose would have to use ai and most on trt needed it.
 
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