Approved Log Cardarine gw501516 and Ostarine mk2866 Log

[nattybydesign]

1st real cycle @ 35yo

Post recovery from my peptide journey, looking to build strength and endurance.

Blood test shows my starting free testosterone is within normal range.
14.8nmol/L or 426ng/dL

8 week cycle planned.
Any input welcome.

Will try to run a slight caloric deficit to aid in recovery / building muscle.


Dosage
20mg Cardarine a day
15mg Ostarine a day

Have enclo for PCT

 

[nattybydesign]

Supplements taken

Glucosamine
L-carnitine
Omega-3s
Vitamin D / Magnesium
Zinc
Creatine Monohydrate
IPA+CJC no dac
BPC157/TB500

 

[LevButlerov]

1st real cycle @ 35yo

Post recovery from my peptide journey, looking to build strength and endurance.

Blood test shows my starting free testosterone is within normal range.
14.8nmol/L or 426ng/dL

8 week cycle planned.
Any input welcome.

Will try to run a slight caloric deficit to aid in recovery / building muscle.


Dosage
20mg Cardarine a day
15mg Ostarine a day

Have enclo for PCT

Supplements taken

Glucosamine
L-carnitine
Omega-3s
Vitamin D / Magnesium
Zinc
Creatine Monohydrate
IPA+CJC no dac
BPC157/TB500

good start to your new log @nattybydesign
start by adding a pic of you face blurred to push the log forward

on the doses you need nolvadex and hcgenerate in your pct post sarms
and your stats now?

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP

 

[Dreamer]

Agree with @LevButlerov would love to see a progress shot

 

[stevesmi]

1st real cycle @ 35yo

Post recovery from my peptide journey, looking to build strength and endurance.

Blood test shows my starting free testosterone is within normal range.
14.8nmol/L or 426ng/dL

8 week cycle planned.
Any input welcome.

Will try to run a slight caloric deficit to aid in recovery / building muscle.


Dosage
20mg Cardarine a day
15mg Ostarine a day

Have enclo for PCT

@nattybydesign in pct i would run a strong t booster too. keep serm dosage low. you don't need much

 

[HarleyGuy]

Welcome to EVO and to your first cycle.

It's definitely a 'dip your toes in the water to see the temperature' cycle and not ideal but let's see how it goes. Here's my feedback.

Have enclo for PCT

Negative. Shitcan this for PCT.

Dosage
20mg Cardarine a day
15mg Ostarine a day

You're gonna need tamoxifen here. Have you researched PCT?

Supplements taken

Glucosamine
L-carnitine
Omega-3s
Vitamin D / Magnesium
Zinc
Creatine Monohydrate
IPA+CJC no dac
BPC157/TB500

IPA+CJC no dac (why no dac?)
BPC157/TB500

These aren't supplements I'd put them in your cycle info or a new column under peptides.

Also, to help us help you we'll need your diet, macros, digestive aids, and a pic of your base (yes, shirt off and just display it proudly). Then we'll get you in the mod queue for log approval.

Good luck bro will be following!

 

[2Thick]

1st real cycle @ 35yo

Post recovery from my peptide journey, looking to build strength and endurance.

Blood test shows my starting free testosterone is within normal range.
14.8nmol/L or 426ng/dL

8 week cycle planned.
Any input welcome.

Will try to run a slight caloric deficit to aid in recovery / building muscle.


Dosage
20mg Cardarine a day
15mg Ostarine a day

Have enclo for PCT

I This type of cycle is very minimally suppressive. You won't get much suppression all man, you might be able to get away with just a testosterone booster for PCT. @nattybydesign

 

[Dreamer]

I This type of cycle is very minimally suppressive. You won't get much suppression all man, you might be able to get away with just a testosterone booster for PCT. @nattybydesign

Years and years ago I did 12 weeks of 25-50mg ostarine even added LGD recovered with nothing but a few weeks of time

 

[2Thick]

Years and years ago I did 12 weeks of 25-50mg ostarine even added LGD recovered with nothing but a few weeks of time

Very true man.

 

[Ulter]

Supplements taken

Glucosamine
L-carnitine
Omega-3s
Vitamin D / Magnesium
Zinc
Creatine Monohydrate
IPA+CJC no dac
BPC157/TB500

This is a nice supplement layout. @nattybydesign And I also love the peptides as well. That's a really good one.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I This type of cycle is very minimally suppressive. You won't get much suppression all man, you might be able to get away with just a testosterone booster for PCT. @nattybydesign

This is true. The Ostarine will suppress him but he'll be fine with the Cardarine. Maybe just HCGenerate at 5 caps ED will do it. Bloodwork after would be best.

 

[ROIDDERS]

1st real cycle @ 35yo

Post recovery from my peptide journey, looking to build strength and endurance.

Blood test shows my starting free testosterone is within normal range.
14.8nmol/L or 426ng/dL

8 week cycle planned.
Any input welcome.

Will try to run a slight caloric deficit to aid in recovery / building muscle.


Dosage
20mg Cardarine a day
15mg Ostarine a day

Have enclo for PCT

@nattybydesign Honestly. I go like this I would push it to 12 weeks. And I would also increase the Ostarine to 25mgs a day. That would be optimal.

 

[Pigsy]

good start to your new log @nattybydesign
start by adding a pic of you face blurred to push the log forward

on the doses you need nolvadex and hcgenerate in your pct post sarms
and your stats now?

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP

I have some UGLOZ Cardarine. Wanting here for prep time

 

[ceo]

1st real cycle @ 35yo

Post recovery from my peptide journey, looking to build strength and endurance.

Blood test shows my starting free testosterone is within normal range.
14.8nmol/L or 426ng/dL

8 week cycle planned.
Any input welcome.

Will try to run a slight caloric deficit to aid in recovery / building muscle.


Dosage
20mg Cardarine a day
15mg Ostarine a day

Have enclo for PCT

bros you be fine pushing the GW to 20 weeks. Remember it's non-hormonal so you can keep the ostarine short and keep the GW long.

 

[nattybydesign]

bros you be fine pushing the GW to 20 weeks. Remember it's non-hormonal so you can keep the ostarine short and keep the GW long.

kind of hesistant to push cardarine for too long, because of the cancer scares. out of everytihng i've researched so far cardarine is quite up there :| . people are recommending EPO over cardarine, since it's shown to work and has no long term risks, but no source

 

[nattybydesign]

Welcome to EVO and to your first cycle.

It's definitely a 'dip your toes in the water to see the temperature' cycle and not ideal but let's see how it goes. Here's my feedback.


Negative. Shitcan this for PCT.

You're gonna need tamoxifen here. Have you researched PCT?

IPA+CJC no dac (why no dac?)
BPC157/TB500

These aren't supplements I'd put them in your cycle info or a new column under peptides.

Also, to help us help you we'll need your diet, macros, digestive aids, and a pic of your base (yes, shirt off and just display it proudly). Then we'll get you in the mod queue for log approval.

Good luck bro will be following!

no dac, because I want to mimic the natural cycle of GH pulses. If I were to get dac, I would probably just get HGH instead. Yeh, that's true, you can't edit the original post though right?

 

[Mobster]

1st real cycle @ 35yo

Post recovery from my peptide journey, looking to build strength and endurance.

Blood test shows my starting free testosterone is within normal range.
14.8nmol/L or 426ng/dL

8 week cycle planned.
Any input welcome.

Will try to run a slight caloric deficit to aid in recovery / building muscle.


Dosage
20mg Cardarine a day
15mg Ostarine a day

Have enclo for PCT

Remind us what you did before

 

[HarleyGuy]

no dac, because I want to mimic the natural cycle of GH pulses. If I were to get dac, I would probably just get HGH instead. Yeh, that's true, you can't edit the original post though right?

HGH is king vs. any GHRH/GHRP bro.

 

[ballin2504]

1st real cycle @ 35yo

Post recovery from my peptide journey, looking to build strength and endurance.

Blood test shows my starting free testosterone is within normal range.
14.8nmol/L or 426ng/dL

8 week cycle planned.
Any input welcome.

Will try to run a slight caloric deficit to aid in recovery / building muscle.


Dosage
20mg Cardarine a day
15mg Ostarine a day

Have enclo for PCT

@nattybydesign welcome to the forum man we are glad to have you. I like the cycle for sure and should be a good one

 

[LevButlerov]

I have some UGLOZ Cardarine. Wanting here for prep time

Cardarine from UGL OZ @UGL OZ is TOP quality I hear

 

[Pigsy]

Cardarine from UGL OZ @UGL OZ is TOP quality I hear

Can't wait to start using it brother

 

[LevButlerov]

Can't wait to start using it brother

win is coming

 

[ceo]

kind of hesistant to push cardarine for too long, because of the cancer scares. out of everytihng i've researched so far cardarine is quite up there :| . people are recommending EPO over cardarine, since it's shown to work and has no long term risks, but no source

bros i seen evidence it shrinks tumors, not grows them

 

[2Thick]

This is true. The Ostarine will suppress him but he'll be fine with the Cardarine. Maybe just HCGenerate at 5 caps ED will do it. Bloodwork after would be best.

Yes for sure. Five capsules is perfect.

 

[nattybydesign]

The goods have arrived. Will take one of each before working out tonight.

 

[LevButlerov]

View attachment 146281
The goods have arrived. Will take one of each before working out tonight.

good touchdown from @SYNPharmaDist
how long for delivery? @nattybydesign

 

[nattybydesign]

good touchdown from @SYNPharmaDist
how long for delivery? @nattybydesign

Not too long, about a week

 

[LevButlerov]

Not too long, about a week

good timing update us on training please

 

[nattybydesign]

First dose of 10mg ost + 10mg cardarine, felt pretty good. Went for a 10k relatively fast run (60mins) and it felt smoother than normal.
Second dose of 10mg ost + 10mg cardarine, felt pretty good. Went for a 5k run (30mins) and then worked out (30mins, I felt like I did not need as much rest between sets). Taking a lower dosage for a week to see how my body feels. I think I had a bit of stomache upsetness on the first dose because I didn't eat much, so I ate some more food second time around. Switching to tea from coffee while running this stack (ginger/lemon) and I am also taking milk thistle. I think the claims that cardarine can make you a crazy endurance athlete might be overblown. I could see how this stack could add up over time. So far so good though.

 

[nattybydesign]

Agree with @LevButlerov would love to see a progress shot

I'd say I look about the same, maybe less tanned. Lifts have gone up a bit since my peptide/recovery start a month ago.

 

[Dreamer]

I'd say I look about the same, maybe less tanned. Lifts have gone up a bit since my peptide/recovery start a month ago.

Good looking base there man, love the amount of cardio you are doing too

 

[LevButlerov]

First dose of 10mg ost + 10mg cardarine, felt pretty good. Went for a 10k relatively fast run (60mins) and it felt smoother than normal.
Second dose of 10mg ost + 10mg cardarine, felt pretty good. Went for a 5k run (30mins) and then worked out (30mins, I felt like I did not need as much rest between sets). Taking a lower dosage for a week to see how my body feels. I think I had a bit of stomache upsetness on the first dose because I didn't eat much, so I ate some more food second time around. Switching to tea from coffee while running this stack (ginger/lemon) and I am also taking milk thistle. I think the claims that cardarine can make you a crazy endurance athlete might be overblown. I could see how this stack could add up over time. So far so good though.

Good start with the ostarine and cardarine stack!
the 10k then 5k runs feeling smoother is normal with gw, the endurance kick is already there even at the lower dose.

The stomach upset makes sense without food so keeping a meal in and switching to tea is fine while you test how you respond.

 

[LevButlerov]

I'd say I look about the same, maybe less tanned. Lifts have gone up a bit since my peptide/recovery start a month ago.

looking good and lean

 

[nattybydesign]

I workout twice a day usually, 10mg C + 10mg O before each workout.
Workouts are usually 50 minutes for strength training and 30-60 minutes of cardio.
Diet is pretty simple , I supplement with 50g of protein from shakes + 2 meals a day with about 30g of protein each meal.
Supplements - Milk thistle for liver support, Probiotics for gut support, Psyllium Husk (Metamucil) for gut health.
Water intake per hour is about 300ml/hr during waking hours. I'm constantly hydrating.
Lifts feel smoother already and I find myself needing less rest in-between sets. Hope I can maintain these gains after this cycle is over. Heard some people who did a SARM only cycle lost most of their gains

 

[LevButlerov]

I workout twice a day usually, 10mg C + 10mg O before each workout.
Workouts are usually 50 minutes for strength training and 30-60 minutes of cardio.
Diet is pretty simple , I supplement with 50g of protein from shakes + 2 meals a day with about 30g of protein each meal.
Supplements - Milk thistle for liver support, Probiotics for gut support, Psyllium Husk (Metamucil) for gut health.
Water intake per hour is about 300ml/hr during waking hours. I'm constantly hydrating.
Lifts feel smoother already and I find myself needing less rest in-between sets. Hope I can maintain these gains after this cycle is over. Heard some people who did a SARM only cycle lost most of their gains

Your protein intake seems very low, @nattybydesign
did you track your macros?

 

[nattybydesign]

Your protein intake seems very low, @nattybydesign
did you track your macros?

I'd be lying if I said I did, I thought 0.80g / lb is enough? Some people say 1g/lb is ideal or even 1.2g/lb, but I just don't have the appetite to down so much protein... I feel like I'm consuming enough protein, but I could be wrong.

 

[LevButlerov]

I'd be lying if I said I did, I thought 0.80g / lb is enough? Some people say 1g/lb is ideal or even 1.2g/lb, but I just don't have the appetite to down so much protein... I feel like I'm consuming enough protein, but I could be wrong.

2 grams per lb is the best actually @nattybydesign

 

[nattybydesign]

Here's some data for you guys
Normally, I wouldn't really bat an eye with my sleeping heart rate but this is a pretty big jump over my normal range of 57 -> 60
Looks like something is happening, my heart rate value is going up with 20mg / 20mg.
I also did a weigh in like yesterday before bed and I'm up 5lbs (probably water weight)
I don't think I've hit this weight in like 6 months, diet hasn't really changed much either

 

[LevButlerov]

Here's some data for you guysView attachment 147518
Normally, I wouldn't really bat an eye with my sleeping heart rate but this is a pretty big jump over my normal range of 57 -> 60
Looks like something is happening, my heart rate value is going up with 20mg / 20mg.
I also did a weigh in like yesterday before bed and I'm up 5lbs (probably water weight)
I don't think I've hit this weight in like 6 months, diet hasn't really changed much either

you had sleeping heart rate 189? @nattybydesign you sure this is accurate?

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

@toddthelineman @Madmax46

 

[Dreamer]

What device is this on? I seriously doubt your hitting that bpm

 

[nattybydesign]

you had sleeping heart rate 189? @nattybydesign you sure this is accurate?

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

@toddthelineman @Madmax46

sorry i didn’t indicate the top parts of the graph are resting heart rate and max heart rate. Data is accurate. the max heart rate values corresponds to my max heart rate during a run or workout

 

[Dreamer]

sorry i didn’t indicate the top parts of the graph are resting heart rate and max heart rate. Data is accurate. the max heart rate values corresponds to my max heart rate during a run or workout

Oh thats not a huge increase then, I wouldnt stress it just yet. but you can add some things like glycine, theanine and magnesium if you havent already before bed

 

[LevButlerov]

sorry i didn’t indicate the top parts of the graph are resting heart rate and max heart rate. Data is accurate. the max heart rate values corresponds to my max heart rate during a run or workout

oh workout sorry I thought you meant sleep!

 

[toddthelineman]

Here's some data for you guysView attachment 147518
Normally, I wouldn't really bat an eye with my sleeping heart rate but this is a pretty big jump over my normal range of 57 -> 60
Looks like something is happening, my heart rate value is going up with 20mg / 20mg.
I also did a weigh in like yesterday before bed and I'm up 5lbs (probably water weight)
I don't think I've hit this weight in like 6 months, diet hasn't really changed much either

My heart rate goes up with my body weight pretty reliably. Definitely don’t stress it, but it’s good you’re watching!

 

[waggat]

I'd be lying if I said I did, I thought 0.80g / lb is enough? Some people say 1g/lb is ideal or even 1.2g/lb, but I just don't have the appetite to down so much protein... I feel like I'm consuming enough protein, but I could be wrong.

Definitely agree with @LevButlerov on the benefits of increasing your protein intake. I reckon 1g/lb is absolute minimum.

 

[nattybydesign]

5 days into cycle
Weigh in 156.8 (a ton of water weight I believe)
1 hour swim
4 hours run
4 hours gym

 

[nattybydesign]

Welcome to EVO and to your first cycle.

It's definitely a 'dip your toes in the water to see the temperature' cycle and not ideal but let's see how it goes. Here's my feedback.


Negative. Shitcan this for PCT.

You're gonna need tamoxifen here. Have you researched PCT?

IPA+CJC no dac (why no dac?)
BPC157/TB500

These aren't supplements I'd put them in your cycle info or a new column under peptides.

Also, to help us help you we'll need your diet, macros, digestive aids, and a pic of your base (yes, shirt off and just display it proudly). Then we'll get you in the mod queue for log approval.

Good luck bro will be following!

Week 1 feeling good, I’ve heard of some people getting suppression in week 4/5 , I want to make sure my bases are covered and am thinking of getting tamoxifen and clomid (isnt enclo superior? not sure about my pharma tech enclo from syn and want to have a backup source too) else just incase things turn south even with taking 20mg of ost

 

[LevButlerov]

5 days into cycle
Weigh in 156.8 (a ton of water weight I believe)
1 hour swim
4 hours run
4 hours gym

thats a lot of cardio well done @nattybydesign lets get gym details

 

[HarleyGuy]

isnt enclo superior?

If used correctly enclo can be substituted for clomid and is arguably a better alternative in the context of side effects.

 

[nattybydesign]

lifts are up all around, my back is noticeably more defined now, my body somehow absorbed 10lbs in a week ? I also don’t want to gain too much weight. my diet is about the same. im trying to slam more protein down as you guys have recommended. I think I am averaging about 20mg / 15mg of cardine/ ostarine a day. Playing it safe right now. Lifts have gone up all around and recovery time between sets is shorter. So my working time in gym has increased.

 

[LevButlerov]

View attachment 148920lifts are up all around, my back is noticeably more defined now, my body somehow absorbed 10lbs in a week ? I also don’t want to gain too much weight. my diet is about the same. im trying to slam more protein down as you guys have recommended. I think I am averaging about 20mg / 15mg of cardine/ ostarine a day. Playing it safe right now. Lifts have gone up all around and recovery time between sets is shorter. So my working time in gym has increased.

you look good in the pic actually leaner but hard to see the size keep going +10lbs is positive @nattybydesign its all just water and glycogen for now

 

[stevesmi]

View attachment 148920lifts are up all around, my back is noticeably more defined now, my body somehow absorbed 10lbs in a week ? I also don’t want to gain too much weight. my diet is about the same. im trying to slam more protein down as you guys have recommended. I think I am averaging about 20mg / 15mg of cardine/ ostarine a day. Playing it safe right now. Lifts have gone up all around and recovery time between sets is shorter. So my working time in gym has increased.

@nattybydesign Definitely will help your workouts, that's for sure. The endurance benefits and the Energizer Bunny tendencies that it gives you are pretty much right away.

 

[ceo]

View attachment 148920lifts are up all around, my back is noticeably more defined now, my body somehow absorbed 10lbs in a week ? I also don’t want to gain too much weight. my diet is about the same. im trying to slam more protein down as you guys have recommended. I think I am averaging about 20mg / 15mg of cardine/ ostarine a day. Playing it safe right now. Lifts have gone up all around and recovery time between sets is shorter. So my working time in gym has increased.

Bros. That's a good sign that you getting good energy. We don't want you to gain too much weight either. Just keep things underkeep doing your cardio. @nattybydesign

 

[Mobster]

View attachment 148920lifts are up all around, my back is noticeably more defined now, my body somehow absorbed 10lbs in a week ? I also don’t want to gain too much weight. my diet is about the same. im trying to slam more protein down as you guys have recommended. I think I am averaging about 20mg / 15mg of cardine/ ostarine a day. Playing it safe right now. Lifts have gone up all around and recovery time between sets is shorter. So my working time in gym has increased.

Great result

 

[Ulter]

View attachment 148920lifts are up all around, my back is noticeably more defined now, my body somehow absorbed 10lbs in a week ? I also don’t want to gain too much weight. my diet is about the same. im trying to slam more protein down as you guys have recommended. I think I am averaging about 20mg / 15mg of cardine/ ostarine a day. Playing it safe right now. Lifts have gone up all around and recovery time between sets is shorter. So my working time in gym has increased.

this is why watching the scale is sometimes not the wisest thing @nattybydesign sometimes its better to just watch the mirror. but yeah 10 pounds is a lot

 

[ROIDDERS]

View attachment 148920lifts are up all around, my back is noticeably more defined now, my body somehow absorbed 10lbs in a week ? I also don’t want to gain too much weight. my diet is about the same. im trying to slam more protein down as you guys have recommended. I think I am averaging about 20mg / 15mg of cardine/ ostarine a day. Playing it safe right now. Lifts have gone up all around and recovery time between sets is shorter. So my working time in gym has increased.

@nattybydesign You could be holding some water or maybe you had something that's a little inflammatory. Keep an eye on the weight though, because you definitely don't want to get 10 lbs in a week like that.

 

[2Thick]

View attachment 148920lifts are up all around, my back is noticeably more defined now, my body somehow absorbed 10lbs in a week ? I also don’t want to gain too much weight. my diet is about the same. im trying to slam more protein down as you guys have recommended. I think I am averaging about 20mg / 15mg of cardine/ ostarine a day. Playing it safe right now. Lifts have gone up all around and recovery time between sets is shorter. So my working time in gym has increased.

if lifts are up that is great. the back is getting strong is a good sign too. means you are balancing out the muscles @nattybydesign

 

[nattybydesign]

@nattybydesign You could be holding some water or maybe you had something that's a little inflammatory. Keep an eye on the weight though, because you definitely don't want to get 10 lbs in a week like that.

I assume that weight gain should be slower now... similar to taking creatine this is just water weight? I also do a full body split (Chest, back, legs)
Also trying to build out my calves for running season and smaller leg muscles so I'm stronger for next season.

 

[nattybydesign]

weight is like 155lbs again after a 10k run lol

 

[G-Merc 80]

First dose of 10mg ost + 10mg cardarine, felt pretty good. Went for a 10k relatively fast run (60mins) and it felt smoother than normal.
Second dose of 10mg ost + 10mg cardarine, felt pretty good. Went for a 5k run (30mins) and then worked out (30mins, I felt like I did not need as much rest between sets). Taking a lower dosage for a week to see how my body feels. I think I had a bit of stomache upsetness on the first dose because I didn't eat much, so I ate some more food second time around. Switching to tea from coffee while running this stack (ginger/lemon) and I am also taking milk thistle. I think the claims that cardarine can make you a crazy endurance athlete might be overblown. I could see how this stack could add up over time. So far so good though.

This is Why I LOVE Cardarine! one big cheat code for Cardio.

 

[LevButlerov]

weight is like 155lbs again after a 10k run lol

10k run is hot

 

[nattybydesign]

This is Why I LOVE Cardarine! one big cheat code for Cardio.

I noticed the set times have def reduced, in terms of actual cardio like jogging, Cardarine ain't winning any half marathons anytime soon.
Fasted cardio on cardarine feels alot better though, but if you want to go for performance in running eating candy and keeping your blood sugar levels topped up is huge.

 

[Noah Wixx]

View attachment 148920lifts are up all around, my back is noticeably more defined now, my body somehow absorbed 10lbs in a week ? I also don’t want to gain too much weight. my diet is about the same. im trying to slam more protein down as you guys have recommended. I think I am averaging about 20mg / 15mg of cardine/ ostarine a day. Playing it safe right now. Lifts have gone up all around and recovery time between sets is shorter. So my working time in gym has increased.

All of this sounds like a major win

 

[ROIDDERS]

I assume that weight gain should be slower now... similar to taking creatine this is just water weight? I also do a full body split (Chest, back, legs)
Also trying to build out my calves for running season and smaller leg muscles so I'm stronger for next season.

Definitely a good thing with the Calves

 

[nattybydesign]

Morning weigh in was 153~, mid day weigh in 155~ . So definitely just water gains at the moment.

 

[RoySimpson]

View attachment 148920lifts are up all around, my back is noticeably more defined now, my body somehow absorbed 10lbs in a week ? I also don’t want to gain too much weight. my diet is about the same. im trying to slam more protein down as you guys have recommended. I think I am averaging about 20mg / 15mg of cardine/ ostarine a day. Playing it safe right now. Lifts have gone up all around and recovery time between sets is shorter. So my working time in gym has increased.

@nattybydesign Looking great bro! Very lean!

 

[nattybydesign]

sleep quality getting progressively worse guys. tried melatonin but tonights sleep was bad… only 5 hrs. any advice sleep supps ? maybe i should ask doc for something. for reference i try to have no screens by 10pm and only use the bed for sleep. no coffee or any kind of caffeine after 12pm. i also dose my cjc / ipa / ost / card in morning to try to mitigate any effects of the compounds

 

[nattybydesign]

post morning / 5am gym sesh. lowering dosage of ost to 10mg ED until this sleep issue is resolved

 

[G-Merc 80]

post morning / 5am gym sesh. lowering dosage of ost to 10mg ED until this sleep issue is resolved
View attachment 151878

Are you able to get CBD? I have issues sleeping but found between CBD and GH I know get rested sleep.

 

[LevButlerov]

sleep quality getting progressively worse guys. tried melatonin but tonights sleep was bad… only 5 hrs. any advice sleep supps ? maybe i should ask doc for something. for reference i try to have no screens by 10pm and only use the bed for sleep. no coffee or any kind of caffeine after 12pm. i also dose my cjc / ipa / ost / card in morning to try to mitigate any effects of the compounds

post morning / 5am gym sesh. lowering dosage of ost to 10mg ED until this sleep issue is resolved
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you're looking good @nattybydesign but list your pre bed sleep aids you took?

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[Dreamer]

sleep quality getting progressively worse guys. tried melatonin but tonights sleep was bad… only 5 hrs. any advice sleep supps ? maybe i should ask doc for something. for reference i try to have no screens by 10pm and only use the bed for sleep. no coffee or any kind of caffeine after 12pm. i also dose my cjc / ipa / ost / card in morning to try to mitigate any effects of the compounds

Glycine? have you tried that? Or theanine also?

 

[nattybydesign]

Glycine? have you tried that? Or theanine also?

Looking into some supplements atm.

GABA , 5-HTTP, Myo-inositol , theanine in cart
Going to raw dog tonight (no melatonin, sleepytime chamomille tea), I ate a carb heavy dinner. Out by 9PM. See if this helps with sleep quality. In theory, I should sleep well tonight because I had 5 hrs of light sleep + a hour nap at lunch.

 

[Dreamer]

Looking into some supplements atm.

GABA , 5-HTTP, Myo-inositol , theanine in cart
Going to raw dog tonight (no melatonin, sleepytime chamomille tea), I ate a carb heavy dinner. Out by 9PM. See if this helps with sleep quality. In theory, I should sleep well tonight because I had 5 hrs of light sleep + a hour nap at lunch.

Glycine, Inositol, Theanine, ashwaganda and magnesium is most of what I use with melatonin works well

 

[JimmyO187]

sleep quality getting progressively worse guys. tried melatonin but tonights sleep was bad… only 5 hrs. any advice sleep supps ? maybe i should ask doc for something. for reference i try to have no screens by 10pm and only use the bed for sleep. no coffee or any kind of caffeine after 12pm. i also dose my cjc / ipa / ost / card in morning to try to mitigate any effects of the compounds

When it comes to sleep you really want to try and figure out what’s causing it before you throw something else at it…Dr will prob prescribe you something but generally won’t guarantee quality sleep and you’ll potentially still not feel great

 

[nattybydesign]

Glycine, Inositol, Theanine, ashwaganda and magnesium is most of what I use with melatonin works well

Will try these, I have ashwanganda + maca + some reishi mushroom. I have some zinc lying around too hm

 

[nattybydesign]

Sleep was good last night. I ordered some supplements that were recommended here, which should arrive shortly. In the meantime, I'm going to reduce my caffeine intake in the morning. Hope that helps :') Need to pump these numbers up, here's my bad night for comparision

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep was good last night. I ordered some supplements that were recommended here, which should arrive shortly. In the meantime, I'm going to reduce my caffeine intake in the morning. Hope that helps :') Need to pump these numbers up, here's my bad night for comparision

not bad but bad nights are horrible and you oversleep normal strange.

 

[nattybydesign]

not bad but bad nights are horrible and you oversleep normal strange.

Yeh man sleep is huge for performance, I felt like shit that night. Was at gym at 5am then had parent duties rest of the day.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeh man sleep is huge for performance, I felt like shit that night. Was at gym at 5am then had parent duties rest of the day.

hopefully you get more sleep

 

[nattybydesign]

hopefully you get more sleep

I think it was a one off, melatonin might of fucked w/ my sleep. So I stopped taking it. Trying the the-anine tonight to see if it helps with sleep quality.

 

[LevButlerov]

I think it was a one off, melatonin might of fucked w/ my sleep. So I stopped taking it. Trying the the-anine tonight to see if it helps with sleep quality.

lets see if helps

 

[nattybydesign]

Race day coming in a week, so I'm tapering down this week on ostarine / cardarine to get my baseline HRV back. Before starting this cycle my HRV was around 40ms with similar running mileage. After two weeks my HRV dipped to around 30ms with similar running mileage but more lifting to prep for race. For my week before the race, I am focusing on recovery and maintaining strength / speed I've gained. I'm a big numbers guy, here's my HRV while on cycle with ostarine / cardarine for the past week. I took Saturday and Sunday off and am trying to get my HRV levels back to normal so I am fresh and rested for the race. Will take 20mg cardarine / 20mg ostarine friday for a boost on Saturday and then continue the rest of my cycle. Just logging this, ChatGPT refuses to give me tapering strategies with PEDs

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[LevButlerov]

Race day coming in a week, so I'm tapering down this week on ostarine / cardarine to get my baseline HRV back. Before starting this cycle my HRV was around 40ms with similar running mileage. After two weeks my HRV dipped to around 30ms with similar running mileage but more lifting to prep for race. For my week before the race, I am focusing on recovery and maintaining strength / speed I've gained. I'm a big numbers guy, here's my HRV while on cycle with ostarine / cardarine for the past week. I took Saturday and Sunday off and am trying to get my HRV levels back to normal so I am fresh and rested for the race. Will take 20mg cardarine / 20mg ostarine friday for a boost on Saturday and then continue the rest of my cycle. Just logging this, ChatGPT refuses to give me tapering strategies with PEDs

@HarleyGuy
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You shouldn't be using ai for help chatgpt never used cardarine its just a machine @nattybydesign
what are you trying to taper?

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[Dreamer]

Race day coming in a week, so I'm tapering down this week on ostarine / cardarine to get my baseline HRV back. Before starting this cycle my HRV was around 40ms with similar running mileage. After two weeks my HRV dipped to around 30ms with similar running mileage but more lifting to prep for race. For my week before the race, I am focusing on recovery and maintaining strength / speed I've gained. I'm a big numbers guy, here's my HRV while on cycle with ostarine / cardarine for the past week. I took Saturday and Sunday off and am trying to get my HRV levels back to normal so I am fresh and rested for the race. Will take 20mg cardarine / 20mg ostarine friday for a boost on Saturday and then continue the rest of my cycle. Just logging this, ChatGPT refuses to give me tapering strategies with PEDs

@HarleyGuy
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Careful using chat GPT, if you ask it the same question but make it question itself - it will give you different answers. Not reliable at all

 

[nattybydesign]

You shouldn't be using ai for help chatgpt never used cardarine its just a machine @nattybydesign
what are you trying to taper?

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• Run 1km
  Workout 1: 1000m SkiErg
• Run 1km
• Workout 2: 50m Sled Push
• Run 1km
• Workout 3: 50m Sled Pull
• Run 1km
• Workout 4: 80m Burpee Broad Jumps
• Run 1km
• Workout 5: 1000m Rowing
• Run 1km
• Workout 6: 200m Kettlebell Farmers Carry
• Run 1km
• Workout 7: 100m Sandbag Lunges
• Run 1km
• Workout 8: 100 Wall Balls (reps)

Basically a high aerobic event with a bunch of lifting / strength workouts in between. I expect my heart rate to be around 150-200bpm during this race.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Race day coming in a week, so I'm tapering down this week on ostarine / cardarine to get my baseline HRV back. Before starting this cycle my HRV was around 40ms with similar running mileage. After two weeks my HRV dipped to around 30ms with similar running mileage but more lifting to prep for race. For my week before the race, I am focusing on recovery and maintaining strength / speed I've gained. I'm a big numbers guy, here's my HRV while on cycle with ostarine / cardarine for the past week. I took Saturday and Sunday off and am trying to get my HRV levels back to normal so I am fresh and rested for the race. Will take 20mg cardarine / 20mg ostarine friday for a boost on Saturday and then continue the rest of my cycle. Just logging this, ChatGPT refuses to give me tapering strategies with PEDs

@HarleyGuy
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ChatGPT refuses to give me tapering strategies with PEDs

Good!

 

[nattybydesign]

From my experience as a cardio guy, my HRV being in a balanced state before a race results in better results in terms of times. At this point the Ostarine has already built up all the muscle it can build, so my thought process is eliminating it for a couple of days (5) won't result in any muscle loss or gain (liver break). This also gives my body a break from the compound and time to fully rest up before the race. Of course open to hearing your thoughts guys. My goal is to get out of this race without any injuries and a respectable time.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Chat gtp will bite you in the ass brother and not in a good way, please be careful!

 

[HarleyGuy]

Race day coming in a week, so I'm tapering down this week on ostarine / cardarine to get my baseline HRV back. Before starting this cycle my HRV was around 40ms with similar running mileage. After two weeks my HRV dipped to around 30ms with similar running mileage but more lifting to prep for race. For my week before the race, I am focusing on recovery and maintaining strength / speed I've gained. I'm a big numbers guy, here's my HRV while on cycle with ostarine / cardarine for the past week. I took Saturday and Sunday off and am trying to get my HRV levels back to normal so I am fresh and rested for the race. Will take 20mg cardarine / 20mg ostarine friday for a boost on Saturday and then continue the rest of my cycle. Just logging this, ChatGPT refuses to give me tapering strategies with PEDs

@HarleyGuy
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Your HRV being low just proves poor sleep and/or with overtraining both of which are probably the issue. Let's work on your sleep big time. What Rx meds are you taking do you have any history of anxiety, depression, or ADHD?

 

[HarleyGuy]

Chat gtp will bite you in the ass brother and not in a good way, please be careful!

I'd like to kick Chat GPT's ass and then ask it how that felt.

 

[nattybydesign]

Your HRV being low just proves poor sleep and/or with overtraining both of which are probably the issue. Let's work on your sleep big time. What Rx meds are you taking do you have any history of anxiety, depression, or ADHD?

Sleep has been good, expect for that one night though. None of those issues and no meds being taken either.

 

[HarleyGuy]

From my experience as a cardio guy, my HRV being in a balanced state before a race results in better results in terms of times. At this point the Ostarine has already built up all the muscle it can build, so my thought process is eliminating it for a couple of days (5) won't result in any muscle loss or gain (liver break). This also gives my body a break from the compound and time to fully rest up before the race. Of course open to hearing your thoughts guys. My goal is to get out of this race without any injuries and a respectable time.

my HRV being in a balanced state before a race results in better results in terms of times

Yes of course. Agreed.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Sleep has been good, expect for that one night though. None of those issues and no meds being taken either.

What supplement then helped with your sleep you were throwing the kitchen sink at it from what I remember?

 

[nattybydesign]

Here's my sleep scores since I started ostarine / cardarine at 20mg/20mg. This Saturday and Sunday I stopped dosing. Guess we can see where I'm at after this week. Though it will be a deload week for sure, so I am expecting very low stress on my body, along with nothing affecting my endocrine system.

 

[nattybydesign]

What supplement then helped with your sleep you were throwing the kitchen sink at it from what I remember?

L-theanine seems to work? I also made sure not to take any melatonin and I slightly reduced the ostarine dosage to attack this sleep thing from both sides.

 

[nattybydesign]

Your HRV being low just proves poor sleep and/or with overtraining both of which are probably the issue. Let's work on your sleep big time. What Rx meds are you taking do you have any history of anxiety, depression, or ADHD?

You're probably right, I might be overtraining, but isn't that what SARMS / test is for :') My body should be able to keep up with this increased work load since I have PEDs helping me push and in theory recover faster... but I guess we can see where I am at in a week. Having a small break won't hurt much?

 

[HarleyGuy]

You're probably right, I might be overtraining, but isn't that what SARMS / test is for :') My body should be able to keep up with this increased work load since I have PEDs helping me push and in theory recover faster... but I guess we can see where I am at in a week. Having a small break won't hurt much?

Deload for sure leading up to the race. Sarms are wannabe PED's imo and won't trump overtraining. I remember the melatonin messed with you, you had a 9 hour sleep night and then a 5 hour sleep night.

I can function on 5 hours with a nap. Do you feel horrible when you get 5 hours and a nap?

 

[nattybydesign]

Deload for sure leading up to the race. Sarms are wannabe PED's imo and won't trump overtraining. I remember the melatonin messed with you, you had a 9 hour sleep night and then a 5 hour sleep night.

I can function on 5 hours with a nap. Do you feel horrible when you get 5 hours and a nap?

Yeh, I felt horrible. I function best with 8 hours + sleep. I think I stick to my plan then, having some Ostarine and Cardarine in the system will definitely help with my recovery time in between the workouts in the race (taken Friday morning). A day before race to load system with the compounds and I should be primed and ready to go Just for fun though, to see my limits, not competing in pros.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Yeh, I felt horrible. I function best with 8 hours + sleep. I think I stick to my plan then, having some Ostarine and Cardarine in the system will definitely help with my recovery time in between the workouts in the race (taken Friday morning). A day before race to load system with the compounds and I should be primed and ready to go Just for fun though, to see my limits, not competing in pros.

I dunno man... let's see though... it will be a great experiment and you'll know for next race how to adjust or to keep that strategy dialed in.

 

[nattybydesign]

Final post for this log, stopped ostarine and cardarine altogether, because I had a gout flare-up beginning of January.

Got blood tests done to access my liver function / kidney function. Look's like orals may be out of the question for my body, since after a month my GFR value dropped from 94 to 75, still within acceptable range, but this most likely negatively affected my body's ability to clear uric acid. The AST out of range looks like it's pointing to slight liver inflammation / stress (expected with orals). Just some final data for any future oral only readers with a history of gout flare-ups. Prior to this, I had not had a gout flare-up in 2-3 years. Luckily I had some colochine and diclofenac from doctor previously, so I was only in excruciating pain for 2-3 days. No final pic of results, but I am around 147 lbs now, with most of my strength gains retained. I don't really feel suppressed, but my blood test for testosterone is in February. I am on enclomiphene 12.5mg eod until then. Will take another blood test in 2-3 months to see were these numbers are at.

Urate​

496

150-430

umol/L

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Cholesterol​	3.27	2.00-5.19	mmol/L
LDL Cholesterol​	1.82	1.50-3.40	mmol/L
	The optimal LDL cholesterol level for intermediate and high risk individuals is <= 2.00 mmol/L. If triglycerides are => 1.50 mmol/L, consider monitoring of alternate lipid targets non HDL-cholest- erol or apoB. For low risk individuals with LDL cholesterol => 5.00 mmol/L, target reduction of LDL cholesterol => 50 percent. See Can J Cardiol 2013 vol 29 pgs 151 to 167.
HDL Cholesterol​	1.00	>0.99	mmol/L
Chol/HDL (Risk Ratio)​	3.27	<4.9
Non HDL Cholesterol​	2.27		mmol/L
	Non HDL-cholesterol is calculated from total cholesterol and HDL-C and is not affected by the fasting status of the patient. The optimal non HDL-cholesterol level for intermediate and high risk individuals is <= 2.60 mmol/L. See Can J Cardiol 2013 vol 29 pgs 151 to 167.
Triglycerides​	0.98	<2.21	mmol/L
Lipoprotein (a)​	99	<100	nmol/L

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Glucose Random​	3.3	3.3-11.0	mmol/L
Sodium​	139	135-145	mmol/L
Potassium​	4.2	3.5-5.0	mmol/L
Creatinine​	110	45-110	umol/L
Estimated GFR​	75	>=60
Calcium​	2.34	2.10-2.60	mmol/L
Total Bilirubin​	10	<17	umol/L
Alkaline Phosphatase​	103	40-145	U/L
Alanine Aminotransferase​	29	<50	U/L
Aspartate Aminotransferase​	41	<36	U/L