Approved Log Recovery and Peptides Journal

[nattybydesign]

Hello guys,

I wanted to share my fitness journey.

Some background:

Im 35 years old
I am currently 150lbs
Height 5"6

Prior to getting back into fitness

32 years old
180lbs

I dropped my weight down through weight lifting for 6 months / swimming / caloric deficit
Got into running summer 2025, and have been seeing steady progress with it.
I'm aiming for a sub 20 5k and sub 1:30 half marathon hopefully by 2027.

Current day November 7th, 2026.
Probably most fit I've ever been in my life
Sustained a grade 1 hamstring tear from doing a bit too much, too fast running.

Decided to hop on some peptides to help me with recovery / reaching my fitness goals (leaner + faster + stronger)

Here is my Natty+ Stack

CJC 1295 no dac + ipa 200ug before bed (started Nov 6) 200ug
- Noticed an immediate flushing of face after taking this (face felt hot)
BPC 157 (started Oct 29) 300ug morning / before bed
- I did notice some reduced pain after taking this, I also do rehab exercises
TB500 (started Nov 6) every other day 500ug

I have also ordered enclo from one of the approved sources. I'm a bit scared because people have said they've encountered worsened vision? I work in front of a computer, so this is a bit concerning for me. Any recos would be appreciated.

 

[s.gentz]

Hello guys,

I wanted to share my fitness journey.

Some background:

Im 35 years old
I am currently 150lbs
Height 5"6

Prior to getting back into fitness

32 years old
180lbs

I dropped my weight down through weight lifting for 6 months / swimming / caloric deficit
Got into running summer 2025, and have been seeing steady progress with it.
I'm aiming for a sub 20 5k and sub 1:30 half marathon hopefully by 2027.

Current day November 7th, 2026.
Probably most fit I've ever been in my life
Sustained a grade 1 hamstring tear from doing a bit too much, too fast running.

Decided to hop on some peptides to help me with recovery / reaching my fitness goals (leaner + faster + stronger)

Here is my Natty+ Stack

CJC 1295 no dac + ipa 200ug before bed (started Nov 6) 200ug
- Noticed an immediate flushing of face after taking this (face felt hot)
BPC 157 (started Oct 29) 300ug morning / before bed
- I did notice some reduced pain after taking this, I also do rehab exercises
TB500 (started Nov 6) every other day 500ug

I have also ordered enclo from one of the approved sources. I'm a bit scared because people have said they've encountered worsened vision? I work in front of a computer, so this is a bit concerning for me. Any recos would be appreciated.

Welcome to evo. Running progression is great. I used run a lot. 100+ miles per week. Loved running trails. Love bodybuilding more though and def tougher to run when over 200lbs.
What does your bloodwork look like like? If your test levels are good clomid may worsen them. If they suck it may be a benefit. I would get bloods done prior to starting anything. The vision thing is real. I had a friend whose vision got a little worse while taking it.
If you’re just looking for something to help you push then ostarime and cardarine are great for endurance and pushing lactic down. Used to use it during hard road and mountain bike training blocks.

 

[nattybydesign]

Thanks for the input, I'm trying to get bloods done (Might hold off on taking the enclo until then I guess). in B.C. Canada it seems (private) hormone testing is a bit hard to find. I've looked online for a clinic that can just do the blood test without trying to prescribe or sell me anything, but it seems most places bundle the hormone testing with some sort of consultation. Doc (GP) said I didn't need to get hormones checked. I've tried asking him a couple of times, but to no avail. Quality sourced Enclomiphene shouldn't cause as much issues as Clomid?

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Probably most fit I've ever been in my life
Sustained a grade 1 hamstring tear from doing a bit too much, too fast running.

Ouch that's a real bummer man. Did that happen in one incident or get worse over time?

Here is my Natty+ Stack

That's really funny man you should trademark that

 

[nattybydesign]

Ouch that's a real bummer man. Did that happen in one incident or get worse over time?



That's really funny man you should trademark that

I guess the running volume + change in training modalities didn't help.


I would say I'm an experienced runner, 2,000 ~ km logged in 2026, 1,000 ~km logged in 2025.
My lifts aren't great but I do hit the gym for legs + upper body

My training log for the two months leading up to it before was like
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
75KM (deload week, 1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
75KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
90KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
70KM (injury this week, I think because I started training for Hyrox - Lunges, sled pushes, sled pulls, +1 fast session + another fast session on incline treadmill) went into physio / kin to get it looked at
30KM (all easy z2 , pace significantly reduced and nagging feeling)
50KM (all easy z2, pace improving slightly, no BPC yet)
20KM (all easy z2, pace improving a bit more, with BPC)
Combination of reducing volume + time + BPC won't really know I guess..
I do feel less aches while on BPC + TB( just one night)

 

[nattybydesign]

Those 100KM weeks were tough on my calves, I was constantly sore and was trying to calm them down through RMT + muscle relaxing creams + hot baths

 

[s.gentz]

Thanks for the input, I'm trying to get bloods done (Might hold off on taking the enclo until then I guess). in B.C. Canada it seems (private) hormone testing is a bit hard to find. I've looked online for a clinic that can just do the blood test without trying to prescribe or sell me anything, but it seems most places bundle the hormone testing with some sort of consultation. Doc (GP) said I didn't need to get hormones checked. I've tried asking him a couple of times, but to no avail. Quality sourced Enclomiphene shouldn't cause as much issues as Clomid?

Try Merek health. You can order different levels of bloods and they offer consults or just the bloodwork. They ar obviously a business but also want to get you on the right path if that’s what you’re looking for. They work with a bunch of pro bodybuilders. They are located in Canada.

 

[nattybydesign]

Try Merek health. You can order different levels of bloods and they offer consults or just the bloodwork. They ar obviously a business but also want to get you on the right path if that’s what you’re looking for. They work with a bunch of pro bodybuilders. They are located in Canada.

Hmmm... I couldn't find anything about them? https://www.scienceandhumans.com/hormones I could only find this from searching in B.C.

 

[s.gentz]

Hmmm... I couldn't find anything about them? https://www.scienceandhumans.com/hormones I could only find this from searching in B.C.

They are not in BC. They work online. You buy the tests you want and they send you a script for bloodwork.
If you use this link you get a discount on the labs. You may have to type in RBP incheckout. it's 10% off

https://marekhealth.com/rbp

 

[Allupfromhere]

I guess the running volume + change in training modalities didn't help.


I would say I'm an experienced runner, 2,000 ~ km logged in 2026, 1,000 ~km logged in 2025.
My lifts aren't great but I do hit the gym for legs + upper body

My training log for the two months leading up to it before was like
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
75KM (deload week, 1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
75KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
90KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
70KM (injury this week, I think because I started training for Hyrox - Lunges, sled pushes, sled pulls, +1 fast session + another fast session on incline treadmill) went into physio / kin to get it looked at
30KM (all easy z2 , pace significantly reduced and nagging feeling)
50KM (all easy z2, pace improving slightly, no BPC yet)
20KM (all easy z2, pace improving a bit more, with BPC)
Combination of reducing volume + time + BPC won't really know I guess..
I do feel less aches while on BPC + TB( just one night)

Big jump in kms in a year brother well done

 

[LevButlerov]

Hello guys,

I wanted to share my fitness journey.

Some background:

Im 35 years old
I am currently 150lbs
Height 5"6

Prior to getting back into fitness

32 years old
180lbs

I dropped my weight down through weight lifting for 6 months / swimming / caloric deficit
Got into running summer 2025, and have been seeing steady progress with it.
I'm aiming for a sub 20 5k and sub 1:30 half marathon hopefully by 2027.

Current day November 7th, 2026.
Probably most fit I've ever been in my life
Sustained a grade 1 hamstring tear from doing a bit too much, too fast running.

Decided to hop on some peptides to help me with recovery / reaching my fitness goals (leaner + faster + stronger)

Here is my Natty+ Stack

CJC 1295 no dac + ipa 200ug before bed (started Nov 6) 200ug
- Noticed an immediate flushing of face after taking this (face felt hot)
BPC 157 (started Oct 29) 300ug morning / before bed
- I did notice some reduced pain after taking this, I also do rehab exercises
TB500 (started Nov 6) every other day 500ug

I have also ordered enclo from one of the approved sources. I'm a bit scared because people have said they've encountered worsened vision? I work in front of a computer, so this is a bit concerning for me. Any recos would be appreciated.

Thanks for the input, I'm trying to get bloods done (Might hold off on taking the enclo until then I guess). in B.C. Canada it seems (private) hormone testing is a bit hard to find. I've looked online for a clinic that can just do the blood test without trying to prescribe or sell me anything, but it seems most places bundle the hormone testing with some sort of consultation. Doc (GP) said I didn't need to get hormones checked. I've tried asking him a couple of times, but to no avail. Quality sourced Enclomiphene shouldn't cause as much issues as Clomid?

I guess the running volume + change in training modalities didn't help.


I would say I'm an experienced runner, 2,000 ~ km logged in 2026, 1,000 ~km logged in 2025.
My lifts aren't great but I do hit the gym for legs + upper body

My training log for the two months leading up to it before was like
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
75KM (deload week, 1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
75KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
90KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
70KM (injury this week, I think because I started training for Hyrox - Lunges, sled pushes, sled pulls, +1 fast session + another fast session on incline treadmill) went into physio / kin to get it looked at
30KM (all easy z2 , pace significantly reduced and nagging feeling)
50KM (all easy z2, pace improving slightly, no BPC yet)
20KM (all easy z2, pace improving a bit more, with BPC)
Combination of reducing volume + time + BPC won't really know I guess..
I do feel less aches while on BPC + TB( just one night)

Those 100KM weeks were tough on my calves, I was constantly sore and was trying to calm them down through RMT + muscle relaxing creams + hot baths

welcome to the EVO family @nattybydesign good to see more EVO Canadian brothers!
Good to have you starting a log, we transformed your thread for you.
your background and detail are solid but we will need way more info on diet training please.
The CJC + IPA + BPC + TB combo is good for recovery, but we need to discuss this more.

Post up a few pics of you with your face blurred so we can see current shape and guide you better on recovery and conditioning, you’re already logging like a pro.

We have amazing EVO moderators from Canada, @BeMe @HarleyGuy

@vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz @Dreamer @Freki
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy @Madmax46

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

I guess the running volume + change in training modalities didn't help.


I would say I'm an experienced runner, 2,000 ~ km logged in 2026, 1,000 ~km logged in 2025.
My lifts aren't great but I do hit the gym for legs + upper body

My training log for the two months leading up to it before was like
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
75KM (deload week, 1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
75KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
90KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
70KM (injury this week, I think because I started training for Hyrox - Lunges, sled pushes, sled pulls, +1 fast session + another fast session on incline treadmill) went into physio / kin to get it looked at
30KM (all easy z2 , pace significantly reduced and nagging feeling)
50KM (all easy z2, pace improving slightly, no BPC yet)
20KM (all easy z2, pace improving a bit more, with BPC)
Combination of reducing volume + time + BPC won't really know I guess..
I do feel less aches while on BPC + TB( just one night)

That's truely unreal bro. Those numbers don't compute in my head it's that far out of my reality.

Im also really interested to follow your progress with injury recovery - I think recovery is somethingwe should all try and do our best in if we're going to be in this long term.

In general I'm really interested in trying to incorporate more activities that would lead to strengthened joints and increased bone density and stuff like that.

How did the second night of BPC + TB treat you bro?

 

[nattybydesign]

That's truely unreal bro. Those numbers don't compute in my head it's that far out of my reality.

Im also really interested to follow your progress with injury recovery - I think recovery is somethingwe should all try and do our best in if we're going to be in this long term.

In general I'm really interested in trying to incorporate more activities that would lead to strengthened joints and increased bone density and stuff like that.

How did the second night of BPC + TB treat you bro?

EOD, so I will do my second dose of TB tomorrow, daily dosage of CJC1295 + ipa tonight. I noticed no flushing in the morning when taking CJC 1295 + ipa + BPC157. Sleep quality was worse than normal? (others have mentioned that cjc/ipa help with sleep... will see tonight) I guess I can post some pics. In terms of cardio, it just takes time my first year running was around 1,000km of mileage I tried more or less to do 5k a day. I did get injured because I did not progressively overload up to 21KM in a run. After I ran that I developed Plantar fasciitis and took a break from Oct -> December. I indoor biked and swam to keep my cardio base

 

[LevButlerov]

Post up a few pics of you with your face blurred so we can see current shape and guide you better on recovery and conditioning, you’re already logging like a pro.

@nattybydesign get pics up please

 

[stevesmi]

Hello guys,

I wanted to share my fitness journey.

Some background:

Im 35 years old
I am currently 150lbs
Height 5"6

Prior to getting back into fitness

32 years old
180lbs

I dropped my weight down through weight lifting for 6 months / swimming / caloric deficit
Got into running summer 2025, and have been seeing steady progress with it.
I'm aiming for a sub 20 5k and sub 1:30 half marathon hopefully by 2027.

Current day November 7th, 2026.
Probably most fit I've ever been in my life
Sustained a grade 1 hamstring tear from doing a bit too much, too fast running.

Decided to hop on some peptides to help me with recovery / reaching my fitness goals (leaner + faster + stronger)

Here is my Natty+ Stack

CJC 1295 no dac + ipa 200ug before bed (started Nov 6) 200ug
- Noticed an immediate flushing of face after taking this (face felt hot)
BPC 157 (started Oct 29) 300ug morning / before bed
- I did notice some reduced pain after taking this, I also do rehab exercises
TB500 (started Nov 6) every other day 500ug

I have also ordered enclo from one of the approved sources. I'm a bit scared because people have said they've encountered worsened vision? I work in front of a computer, so this is a bit concerning for me. Any recos would be appreciated.

@nattybydesign there is no purpose in using enclo whatsoever here. but hte good news is since you already ordered it you can stash it for years and use it down the line

 

[nattybydesign]

That's truely unreal bro. Those numbers don't compute in my head it's that far out of my reality.

Im also really interested to follow your progress with injury recovery - I think recovery is somethingwe should all try and do our best in if we're going to be in this long term.

In general I'm really interested in trying to incorporate more activities that would lead to strengthened joints and increased bone density and stuff like that.

How did the second night of BPC + TB treat you bro?

welcome to the EVO family @nattybydesign good to see more EVO Canadian brothers!
Good to have you starting a log, we transformed your thread for you.
your background and detail are solid but we will need way more info on diet training please.
The CJC + IPA + BPC + TB combo is good for recovery, but we need to discuss this more.

Post up a few pics of you with your face blurred so we can see current shape and guide you better on recovery and conditioning, you’re already logging like a pro.

We have amazing EVO moderators from Canada, @BeMe @HarleyGuy

@vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz @Dreamer @Freki
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy @Madmax46

Starting at 180lbs my diet until I hit 145- 150 lbs - I was running a caloric deficit and trying to eat as little carbs as possible. Cardio was extremely difficult , because of lack of energy. In addition, I was most likely developing type two diabetes / metabolic dysfunction. I was getting gout every 4-6 months. I could not run up a 50m hill without feeling extremely tired / hungry. BP readings were not good.
- Gym 3-4 days a week or as many days as possible

At around 160 - 170lbs, I was feeling better and started incorporating swimming into my routine
- Gym 3-4 days a week + swimming 3 days a week for up to 60 minutes
- Initially the swimming was very difficult because I could not for the life of me recruit energy out of my body, despite eating sufficiently
- Things eventually got better as my body learned to recruit fat / utilize glucose stores for cardio

At around 150 - 160, body accustomed to load I was putting it through
- Gym 3-4 days a week + swimming 4-5 days a week for up to 75 - 90 minutes. I could swim 400m non stop.
- Speed of swims were getting better. 2:00min / 100m

At around 145 - 150, I started running.
- Gym 2-3 days a week (I stopped lifting as much so I could do more cardio)
- Swimming 3-4 days a week (60-75 minutes)
- I stopped tracking calories altogether and was solely focused on performance goals


feats I accomplished this year sub 45 minute 10k at 35!
Been stable at 150~ for about a year now.
Diet for past year since being around ~150
- 2-3 meals a day, little to no snacking
- Protein intake each day is around 100g - 120g (I supplement protein with 50g of protein)
- I consume about 150-200 calories worth of low quality carbs (candy, I don't want to upset my stomach before going on a run. the bathroom breaks end up dragging on the run sessions) before cardio sessions (negligible in my opinion, since the sugar seems to help me run/swim faster / longer and calories)

 

[nattybydesign]

@nattybydesign there is no purpose in using enclo whatsoever here. but hte good news is since you already ordered it you can stash it for years and use it down the line

I was thinking it might help me accelerate muscle gain for hyrox / shouldn't hurt? A lot of people online say that running tons of mileage suppresses test production... I'm getting a consult for a naturopath clinic that does DUTCH hormone testing. If there's anything you think might be helpful to ask the doctor let me know.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Starting at 180lbs my diet until I hit 145- 150 lbs - I was running a caloric deficit and trying to eat as little carbs as possible. Cardio was extremely difficult , because of lack of energy. In addition, I was most likely developing type two diabetes / metabolic dysfunction. I was getting gout every 4-6 months. I could not run up a 50m hill without feeling extremely tired / hungry. BP readings were not good.
- Gym 3-4 days a week or as many days as possible

At around 160 - 170lbs, I was feeling better and started incorporating swimming into my routine
- Gym 3-4 days a week + swimming 3 days a week for up to 60 minutes
- Initially the swimming was very difficult because I could not for the life of me recruit energy out of my body, despite eating sufficiently
- Things eventually got better as my body learned to recruit fat / utilize glucose stores for cardio

At around 150 - 160, body accustomed to load I was putting it through
- Gym 3-4 days a week + swimming 4-5 days a week for up to 75 - 90 minutes. I could swim 400m non stop.
- Speed of swims were getting better. 2:00min / 100m

At around 145 - 150, I started running.
- Gym 2-3 days a week (I stopped lifting as much so I could do more cardio)
- Swimming 3-4 days a week (60-75 minutes)
- I stopped tracking calories altogether and was solely focused on performance goals


feats I accomplished this year sub 45 minute 10k at 35!
Been stable at 150~ for about a year now.
Diet for past year since being around ~150
- 2-3 meals a day, little to no snacking
- Protein intake each day is around 100g - 120g (I supplement protein with 50g of protein)
- I consume about 150-200 calories worth of carbs before cardio sessions (negligible in my opnion, since the sugar seems to help me run/swim faster / longer and calories)

That's awesome bro, I'm very keen to follow your log. I'm going to incorporate swimming into my weekly schedule too. The ocean is a bit too tricky for me at the moment despite living right next to it.

But at the community swimming pool I can nuke my skin in chlorine while I'm there and use the hot tub, even just to soak my feet in. I used to do this for ankle recovery from walking so much and it worked well.

Was also using the high tech massage chairs at the fancy R18 gym I go to and was getting noticeable recovery time speed increases from that, but I've become inconsistent with it. I should work on that.

 

[nattybydesign]

Pool is the way to go, ocean swimming is too cold in PNW. Also the sauna + hot tub are great for just deloading after a day of work

 

[2Thick]

Hello guys,

I wanted to share my fitness journey.

Some background:

Im 35 years old
I am currently 150lbs
Height 5"6

Prior to getting back into fitness

32 years old
180lbs

I dropped my weight down through weight lifting for 6 months / swimming / caloric deficit
Got into running summer 2025, and have been seeing steady progress with it.
I'm aiming for a sub 20 5k and sub 1:30 half marathon hopefully by 2027.

Current day November 7th, 2026.
Probably most fit I've ever been in my life
Sustained a grade 1 hamstring tear from doing a bit too much, too fast running.

Decided to hop on some peptides to help me with recovery / reaching my fitness goals (leaner + faster + stronger)

Here is my Natty+ Stack

CJC 1295 no dac + ipa 200ug before bed (started Nov 6) 200ug
- Noticed an immediate flushing of face after taking this (face felt hot)
BPC 157 (started Oct 29) 300ug morning / before bed
- I did notice some reduced pain after taking this, I also do rehab exercises
TB500 (started Nov 6) every other day 500ug

I have also ordered enclo from one of the approved sources. I'm a bit scared because people have said they've encountered worsened vision? I work in front of a computer, so this is a bit concerning for me. Any recos would be appreciated.

Hopefully this stack can help you get to where you want to go. Hamstring injuries are really a bitch. I see it all the time in sports. @nattybydesign

 

[Ulter]

Hello guys,

I wanted to share my fitness journey.

Some background:

Im 35 years old
I am currently 150lbs
Height 5"6

Prior to getting back into fitness

32 years old
180lbs

I dropped my weight down through weight lifting for 6 months / swimming / caloric deficit
Got into running summer 2025, and have been seeing steady progress with it.
I'm aiming for a sub 20 5k and sub 1:30 half marathon hopefully by 2027.

Current day November 7th, 2026.
Probably most fit I've ever been in my life
Sustained a grade 1 hamstring tear from doing a bit too much, too fast running.

Decided to hop on some peptides to help me with recovery / reaching my fitness goals (leaner + faster + stronger)

Here is my Natty+ Stack

CJC 1295 no dac + ipa 200ug before bed (started Nov 6) 200ug
- Noticed an immediate flushing of face after taking this (face felt hot)
BPC 157 (started Oct 29) 300ug morning / before bed
- I did notice some reduced pain after taking this, I also do rehab exercises
TB500 (started Nov 6) every other day 500ug

I have also ordered enclo from one of the approved sources. I'm a bit scared because people have said they've encountered worsened vision? I work in front of a computer, so this is a bit concerning for me. Any recos would be appreciated.

what is the purpose of enclo? its a SERM. @nattybydesign it's completely unnecessary in this situation. There's nothing that you're taking that would require it.

 

[stevesmi]

I was thinking it might help me accelerate muscle gain for hyrox / shouldn't hurt? A lot of people online say that running tons of mileage suppresses test production... I'm getting a consult for a naturopath clinic that does DUTCH hormone testing. If there's anything you think might be helpful to ask the doctor let me know.

No I disagree. It will hurt more then help.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hello guys,

I wanted to share my fitness journey.

Some background:

Im 35 years old
I am currently 150lbs
Height 5"6

Prior to getting back into fitness

32 years old
180lbs

I dropped my weight down through weight lifting for 6 months / swimming / caloric deficit
Got into running summer 2025, and have been seeing steady progress with it.
I'm aiming for a sub 20 5k and sub 1:30 half marathon hopefully by 2027.

Current day November 7th, 2026.
Probably most fit I've ever been in my life
Sustained a grade 1 hamstring tear from doing a bit too much, too fast running.

Decided to hop on some peptides to help me with recovery / reaching my fitness goals (leaner + faster + stronger)

Here is my Natty+ Stack

CJC 1295 no dac + ipa 200ug before bed (started Nov 6) 200ug
- Noticed an immediate flushing of face after taking this (face felt hot)
BPC 157 (started Oct 29) 300ug morning / before bed
- I did notice some reduced pain after taking this, I also do rehab exercises
TB500 (started Nov 6) every other day 500ug

I have also ordered enclo from one of the approved sources. I'm a bit scared because people have said they've encountered worsened vision? I work in front of a computer, so this is a bit concerning for me. Any recos would be appreciated.

i hope you kill this and get better. i would also look at doing GHK too

 

[ceo]

Hello guys,

I wanted to share my fitness journey.

Some background:

Im 35 years old
I am currently 150lbs
Height 5"6

Prior to getting back into fitness

32 years old
180lbs

I dropped my weight down through weight lifting for 6 months / swimming / caloric deficit
Got into running summer 2025, and have been seeing steady progress with it.
I'm aiming for a sub 20 5k and sub 1:30 half marathon hopefully by 2027.

Current day November 7th, 2026.
Probably most fit I've ever been in my life
Sustained a grade 1 hamstring tear from doing a bit too much, too fast running.

Decided to hop on some peptides to help me with recovery / reaching my fitness goals (leaner + faster + stronger)

Here is my Natty+ Stack

CJC 1295 no dac + ipa 200ug before bed (started Nov 6) 200ug
- Noticed an immediate flushing of face after taking this (face felt hot)
BPC 157 (started Oct 29) 300ug morning / before bed
- I did notice some reduced pain after taking this, I also do rehab exercises
TB500 (started Nov 6) every other day 500ug

I have also ordered enclo from one of the approved sources. I'm a bit scared because people have said they've encountered worsened vision? I work in front of a computer, so this is a bit concerning for me. Any recos would be appreciated.

Bros. You should definitely Log this one. It's going to be good to follow you and hopefully you can recover nicely.

 

[BeMe]

Hello guys,

I wanted to share my fitness journey.

Some background:

Im 35 years old
I am currently 150lbs
Height 5"6

Prior to getting back into fitness

32 years old
180lbs

I dropped my weight down through weight lifting for 6 months / swimming / caloric deficit
Got into running summer 2025, and have been seeing steady progress with it.
I'm aiming for a sub 20 5k and sub 1:30 half marathon hopefully by 2027.

Current day November 7th, 2026.
Probably most fit I've ever been in my life
Sustained a grade 1 hamstring tear from doing a bit too much, too fast running.

Decided to hop on some peptides to help me with recovery / reaching my fitness goals (leaner + faster + stronger)

Here is my Natty+ Stack

CJC 1295 no dac + ipa 200ug before bed (started Nov 6) 200ug
- Noticed an immediate flushing of face after taking this (face felt hot)
BPC 157 (started Oct 29) 300ug morning / before bed
- I did notice some reduced pain after taking this, I also do rehab exercises
TB500 (started Nov 6) every other day 500ug

I have also ordered enclo from one of the approved sources. I'm a bit scared because people have said they've encountered worsened vision? I work in front of a computer, so this is a bit concerning for me. Any recos would be appreciated.

Welcome to the EVO fam bro! Love how many fellow Canadians are signing up these days. The Canada fam is growing!

Sorry to hear about that tear, that's a tough one. Maybe time to switch to a road bike? Or even better MTB since you live in the worlds capital.

The stack looks good. The TB is pretty low tho. But I get it, it's really expensive. It will take a while to load at that dose and start working it's magic for ya. Lots of members here have had great results adding GHK-Cu to that stack. Person I'm running GH, TB, BPC alone for healing at the moment but there's a lot of good science backing the GHK as well.

Good luck with the healing and I'll be following along.

 

[nattybydesign]

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Slowly recovering, post 5k run + quad extensions + rehab exercises

 

[Eddie Haskell]

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Slowly recovering, post 5k run + quad extensions + rehab exercises

@nattybydesign you are jacked for natty. great arms and top 4 abs very visible.

 

[nattybydesign]

Welcome to the EVO fam bro! Love how many fellow Canadians are signing up these days. The Canada fam is growing!

Sorry to hear about that tear, that's a tough one. Maybe time to switch to a road bike? Or even better MTB since you live in the worlds capital.

The stack looks good. The TB is pretty low tho. But I get it, it's really expensive. It will take a while to load at that dose and start working it's magic for ya. Lots of members here have had great results adding GHK-Cu to that stack. Person I'm running GH, TB, BPC alone for healing at the moment but there's a lot of good science backing the GHK as well.

Good luck with the healing and I'll be following along.

ill probably pong around swimming, until I fuy recover from this, I saw some posts about GHK causing weird skin stuff ? TB is low I guess but out of the things im taking it’s got the most risk associated with it ? It’s banned by WADA so maybe it’/ very good though.

 

[nattybydesign]

@nattybydesign you are jacked for natty. great arms and top 4 abs very visible.

maybe i can get those lower abs finally

 

[Eddie Haskell]

maybe i can get those lower abs finally

We will bring you the abs

 

[BeMe]

ill probably pong around swimming, until I fuy recover from this, I saw some posts about GHK causing weird skin stuff ? TB is low I guess but out of the things im taking it’s got the most risk associated with it ? It’s banned by WADA so maybe it’/ very good though.

Risk? Hmmm never heard about risks with running TB in the standard Wolverine protocol.

Swimming is a great plan. Good cardio and will definitely help in the healing/rehab process. Plus if you dive in the Pacific it will be great for reducing inflammation lol

 

[nattybydesign]

Night 2,

Fasted for 2 hours, just water until now
CJC 1295 (no dac + ipa) 100mcg
BPC 157 300mcg
sub into stomach
Little bit of redness at injection site, face feeling a little flush.
Finishing off my daily 20,000 steps and off to bed.

 

[nattybydesign]

Risk? Hmmm never heard about risks with running TB in the standard Wolverine protocol.

Swimming is a great plan. Good cardio and will definitely help in the healing/rehab process. Plus if you dive in the Pacific it will be great for reducing inflammation lol

The usual cancer in rats study, I think the other compounds I have don't have as nearly of a bad rep as TB500 for that one study

 

[LevButlerov]

Starting at 180lbs my diet until I hit 145- 150 lbs - I was running a caloric deficit and trying to eat as little carbs as possible. Cardio was extremely difficult , because of lack of energy. In addition, I was most likely developing type two diabetes / metabolic dysfunction. I was getting gout every 4-6 months. I could not run up a 50m hill without feeling extremely tired / hungry. BP readings were not good.
- Gym 3-4 days a week or as many days as possible

At around 160 - 170lbs, I was feeling better and started incorporating swimming into my routine
- Gym 3-4 days a week + swimming 3 days a week for up to 60 minutes
- Initially the swimming was very difficult because I could not for the life of me recruit energy out of my body, despite eating sufficiently
- Things eventually got better as my body learned to recruit fat / utilize glucose stores for cardio

At around 150 - 160, body accustomed to load I was putting it through
- Gym 3-4 days a week + swimming 4-5 days a week for up to 75 - 90 minutes. I could swim 400m non stop.
- Speed of swims were getting better. 2:00min / 100m

At around 145 - 150, I started running.
- Gym 2-3 days a week (I stopped lifting as much so I could do more cardio)
- Swimming 3-4 days a week (60-75 minutes)
- I stopped tracking calories altogether and was solely focused on performance goals


feats I accomplished this year sub 45 minute 10k at 35!
Been stable at 150~ for about a year now.
Diet for past year since being around ~150
- 2-3 meals a day, little to no snacking
- Protein intake each day is around 100g - 120g (I supplement protein with 50g of protein)
- I consume about 150-200 calories worth of low quality carbs (candy, I don't want to upset my stomach before going on a run. the bathroom breaks end up dragging on the run sessions) before cardio sessions (negligible in my opinion, since the sugar seems to help me run/swim faster / longer and calories)

Strong background and serious work rebuilding endurance from that point, big respect for turning that around.

 

[LevButlerov]

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Slowly recovering, post 5k run + quad extensions + rehab exercises

wow! you're super lean very impressed with natty base for you @nattybydesign

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz @Dreamer @Freki


@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy @Madmax46

 

[Mobster]

I've heard of vision issues on S4 but enclo?

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hello guys,

I wanted to share my fitness journey.

Some background:

Im 35 years old
I am currently 150lbs
Height 5"6

Prior to getting back into fitness

32 years old
180lbs

I dropped my weight down through weight lifting for 6 months / swimming / caloric deficit
Got into running summer 2025, and have been seeing steady progress with it.
I'm aiming for a sub 20 5k and sub 1:30 half marathon hopefully by 2027.

Current day November 7th, 2026.
Probably most fit I've ever been in my life
Sustained a grade 1 hamstring tear from doing a bit too much, too fast running.

Decided to hop on some peptides to help me with recovery / reaching my fitness goals (leaner + faster + stronger)

Here is my Natty+ Stack

CJC 1295 no dac + ipa 200ug before bed (started Nov 6) 200ug
- Noticed an immediate flushing of face after taking this (face felt hot)
BPC 157 (started Oct 29) 300ug morning / before bed
- I did notice some reduced pain after taking this, I also do rehab exercises
TB500 (started Nov 6) every other day 500ug

I have also ordered enclo from one of the approved sources. I'm a bit scared because people have said they've encountered worsened vision? I work in front of a computer, so this is a bit concerning for me. Any recos would be appreciated.

@nattybydesign Welcome to EVO brother. I'm coming into your log a bit late but congrats on the 30lb weight loss it takes some serious dedication and discipline to that weight off and hang onto the muscle you clearly hung on to. Your BF% looks great and you have a great looking natty physique!

I haven't read the other replies so forgive me if these have been answered already:

I dropped my weight down through weight lifting for 6 months / swimming / caloric deficit

Perfect way to drop the weight. Did you keep use low carb for this or just a balanced diet with a 500cal/day calorie deficit roughly?

Probably most fit I've ever been in my life

Amazing! Very glad you came on EVO!

CJC 1295 no dac + ipa 200ug before bed (started Nov 6) 200ug
- Noticed an immediate flushing of face after taking this (face felt hot)

The flushing from these will go away. I ran these and the flushing doesn't last long and your body adapts and it will eventually stop.

I have also ordered enclo

I'm a bit perplexed about why you ordered this? Can you explain?

 

[nattybydesign]

@nattybydesign Welcome to EVO brother. I'm coming into your log a bit late but congrats on the 30lb weight loss it takes some serious dedication and discipline to that weight off and hang onto the muscle you clearly hung on to. Your BF% looks great and you have a great looking natty physique!

I haven't read the other replies so forgive me if these have been answered already:


Perfect way to drop the weight. Did you keep use low carb for this or just a balanced diet with a 500cal/day calorie deficit roughly?

Amazing! Very glad you came on EVO!

The flushing from these will go away. I ran these and the flushing doesn't last long and your body adapts and it will eventually stop.

I'm a bit perplexed about why you ordered this? Can you explain?

Not too sure myself, I was researching a couple weeks ago things that could help me heal faster and continue to get stronger / faster (build more fast twitch fibres for when my injury is fully recovered) and I found peptides. Out of all the things I could find, peptides and enclo seemed the lowest risk (in terms of dependence, I don’t want to permanently alter my test production in a negative way) I had considerer MK667 to lean bulk a bit (not sure if this is viable) since I could not run as much. Might as well lean bulk , let my hamstring recover and knee pain subside before sharpening my speed again in February of 2027

 

[nattybydesign]

morning weigh in, 147lb . probably lost water weight, yesterday’s dinner was probably too light (rushed and didn’t want to have food in stomache for cjc/ipa / bpc). normal saturday breakfast
3 eggs + hash browns + some bread + frozen berry blend + coffee

 

[BeMe]

The usual cancer in rats study, I think the other compounds I have don't have as nearly of a bad rep as TB500 for that one study

Oh one rat study. That explains why I never heard of it lol. I always take those things with a grain of salt. A lot of the time they mega dose those poor little labs rats.

Hopefully it's not true cuz I'm run my fair share of TB 500 haha. I smoked for 20 years so that's probably much worse anyway.

What step tracking software is that? Looks familiar but I can't remember what it is. Those are some crazy stats you got

 

[nattybydesign]

Oh one rat study. That explains why I never heard of it lol. I always take those things with a grain of salt. A lot of the time they mega dose those poor little labs rats.

Hopefully it's not true cuz I'm run my fair share of TB 500 haha. I smoked for 20 years so that's probably much worse anyway.

What step tracking software is that? Looks familiar but I can't remember what it is. Those are some crazy stats you got

Garmin watch, i’ve been trying to hit 20k steps a day. Just so my plantar fasciitis doesn’t come back. Time on feet to keep the lower chain strong

 

[BeMe]

Garmin watch, i’ve been trying to hit 20k steps a day. Just so my plantar fasciitis doesn’t come back. Time on feet to keep the lower chain strong

Duhhh...I have a Garmin watch too lol. What a dumbass lol!!!!

I usually just look at my daily count on the main screen tho and look at my overalls on my Whoop now that they finally improved their step counting algo.

Ooouucchh plantar fasciitis is the worst. I used to get it cuz of my work a lot back in the day. Being on ladders all day. Rolling a cold bottle under my foot all night. The worst. I feel ya.

Training barefoot helps a lot too I think. Heavily loaded standing movements is great for building that foot strength. I can't run for shit, bad knees and shin splints, so that's my go to.

 

[nattybydesign]

Duhhh...I have a Garmin watch too lol. What a dumbass lol!!!!

I usually just look at my daily count on the main screen tho and look at my overalls on my Whoop now that they finally improved their step counting algo.

Ooouucchh plantar fasciitis is the worst. I used to get it cuz of my work a lot back in the day. Being on ladders all day. Rolling a cold bottle under my foot all night. The worst. I feel ya.

Training barefoot helps a lot too I think. Heavily loaded standing movements is great for building that foot strength. I can't run for shit, bad knees and shin splints, so that's my go to.

if you ever want to start, slow progression is the way

 

[Allupfromhere]

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Slowly recovering, post 5k run + quad extensions + rehab exercises

You look fantastic bro! It doesnt even look like you carried another 30lbs on your frame haha just look like someone who has always been athletic and thats a great thing to have. As i mention before, very impressive so far what you have already achieved for yourself. Exciting to see where you go from here moving foward

 

[Freki]

Welcome @nattybydesign great start mate, super fit

Oh one rat study. That explains why I never heard of it lol. I always take those things with a grain of salt. A lot of the time they mega dose those poor little labs rats.

Mrs keeps banning stuff from the house based on those studies and then you read them and its a 100x the dose you would normally get

 

[BeMe]

if you ever want to start, slow progression is the way

Yea I've tried but my knees are completely destroyed. Both of them got blown out in hockey.

I stick to low impact cardio, rower, biking, and incline walking. Gotta try and prolong them as much as possible. Don't wanna end up needing a knee replacement too young lol

 

[BeMe]

Welcome @nattybydesign great start mate, super fit


Mrs keeps banning stuff from the house based on those studies and then you read them and its a 100x the dose you would normally get

Lol tell her no more reading for you woman. I'm watching Borat right now and its definitely something he would say LOL.

Ya it's crazy. I duno why they do it. I think they just like getting attention via dramatic titles to their studies. "Vitamin C will kill you" then the small print is it you take 20g a day for a year lol.

 

[nattybydesign]

Day 3 IPA / CJC (still feel the face flushing)
5k run -> conversational running 3.6k -> 1.4k of 200m strides to test the waters. Recovery is there (peptides or just the passage of time), hamstring feels a bit less than before. Now I just have a nagging feeling in my knee. Did like 10 minutes of core exercises before family activities.
1 hour kin session -> Kin recommended working on hip mobility and single leg stuff to strengthen / lengthen the hip flexors. He's no longer worried about the hamstring, since it's coming along. Will work on the exercises prescribed + my usual lifting.

 

[nattybydesign]

Welcome @nattybydesign great start mate, super fit


Mrs keeps banning stuff from the house based on those studies and then you read them and its a 100x the dose you would normally get

I know how you feel...

 

[BeMe]

Day 3 IPA / CJC (still feel the face flushing)
5k run -> conversational running 3.6k -> 1.4k of 200m strides to test the waters. Recovery is there (peptides or just the passage of time), hamstring feels a bit less than before. Now I just have a nagging feeling in my knee. Did like 10 minutes of core exercises before family activities.
1 hour kin session -> Kin recommended working on hip mobility and single leg stuff to strengthen / lengthen the hip flexors. He's no longer worried about the hamstring, since it's coming along. Will work on the exercises prescribed + my usual lifting.

That hamstring injury could be causing downstream problems with your knee cuz the running. You may not notice it but it could change your stride or something. It's pretty common when training through injury to develop other problems cuz subconsciously our body is compensating in some way that leads to pain elsewhere.

Maybe too soon for a 5k even if it was easy for you?

 

[nattybydesign]

That hamstring injury could be causing downstream problems with your knee cuz the running. You may not notice it but it could change your stride or something. It's pretty common when training through injury to develop other problems cuz subconsciously our body is compensating in some way that leads to pain elsewhere.

Maybe too soon for a 5k even if it was easy for you?

Maybe, heh. Felt good to run a bit faster - no pain running, but brain was definitely thinking about something going terribly wrong. I've dialed down the running mileage significantly. ATM not training through the pain just my brain is very cognisant about the potential for pain from the knee when the foot lands. Today's run workout felt okay actually... I spoke with the kinseologist about it and he said that in his opinion I can do certain workouts only after warming up (if there is initial pain from a warmup or workout drill that's okay, but if it persists, he said stop altogether). I'll probably continue these 5KMs and see how I feel. I got more swimming and lifting this week though.

Most notable recommended workouts:

General recommendations for workouts is to focus on compound movements that utilize hips / balance I guess
Single Leg Step Down Lateral - Assisted
Standing hip flexor resistance
Single leg leg press / Single leg knee extensions (only if no pain on left)

 

[BeMe]

Maybe, heh. Felt good to run a bit faster - no pain running, but brain was definitely thinking about something going terribly wrong. I've dialed down the running mileage significantly. ATM not training through the pain just my brain is very cognisant about the potential for pain from the knee when the foot lands. Today's run workout felt okay actually... I spoke with the kinseologist about it and he said that in his opinion I can do certain workouts only after warming up (if there is initial pain from a warmup or workout drill that's okay, but if it persists, he said stop altogether). I'll probably continue these 5KMs and see how I feel. I got more swimming and lifting this week though.

Most notable recommended workouts:

General recommendations for workouts is to focus on compound movements that utilize hips / balance I guess
Single Leg Step Down Lateral - Assisted
Standing hip flexor resistance
Single leg leg press / Single leg knee extensions (only if no pain on left)

That's a really good game plan.

The problem with running vs lifting is the lack of control. You can maintain perfect form when lifting and protect yourself while you're healing. Running, anything could happen at anytime. One wrong step, or even a tiny misalignment or compensation can cause continued problems.

You're a hardcore runner bro. I get the urge to go. It becomes an addiction. I'm the same way about lifting and constantly train through injury cuz I need to train. Just becareful and keep an eye out for the knee. Hopefully it was just a 1 off thing but if it continues listen to your body.

Do you only road run or do you hit the trails too? You're in Van right? You guys have the best natural environment going. I love BC

 

[nattybydesign]

I’m mainly road running. I wouldn’t say I’m hardcore . Taking a break right now for sure. 75km 30km 50km 20km 15km these past 4 weeks. I’ve more or less switched to swimming and gym until this is around 90%~ Nice break for the joints I suppose. I was kind of forced to do this last year due to plantar. CJC/IPA pins causing me to eat less i feel , I really need to time these to maximize the potenency from what I’ve read. Empty stomach, no food for an hour after morning pin.

 

[BeMe]

I’m mainly road running. I wouldn’t say I’m hardcore . Taking a break right now for sure. 75km 30km 50km 20km 15km these past 4 weeks. I’ve more or less switched to swimming and gym until this is around 90%~ Nice break for the joints I suppose. I was kind of forced to do this last year due to plantar. CJC/IPA pins causing me to eat less i feel , I really need to time these to maximize the potenency from what I’ve read. Empty stomach, no food for an hour after morning pin.

Well in the circles you travel in maybe not hardcore but you'll be hard pressed finding many members around here running like you lol. 75km isn't a lot??? That's hardcore haha.

Road running is pretty rough on the knees all by itself. I know modern footwear helps a lot but still.

Yep what you read about the GH peptides is correct.Your trying to stimulate the natural pulses of GH in your body so AM fasted or pre-bed post digestion are the two most optimal windows. Timing is critical because otherwise you're basically wasting it.

 

[nattybydesign]

Well in the circles you travel in maybe not hardcore but you'll be hard pressed finding many members around here running like you lol. 75km isn't a lot??? That's hardcore haha.

Road running is pretty rough on the knees all by itself. I know modern footwear helps a lot but still.

Yep what you read about the GH peptides is correct.Your trying to stimulate the natural pulses of GH in your body so AM fasted or pre-bed post digestion are the two most optimal windows. Timing is critical because otherwise you're basically wasting it.

Yeh, otherwise the insulin dulls the gh response eh. Waste of a needle and compound. I don’t feel any hungrier from the cjc /ipa though, which seems to be in line with what I’m reading online. I wonder what MK feels like now . Hunger impulse can’t be as strong as after running 15km

 

[BeMe]

Yeh, otherwise the insulin dulls the gh response eh. Waste of a needle and compound. I don’t feel any hungrier from the cjc /ipa though, which seems to be in line with what I’m reading online. I wonder what MK feels like now . Hunger impulse can’t be as strong as after running 15km

I dunno. Some fellow members have reported being ravenous on the MK.Although I've never come close to running 15km so I can't say one way or another LOL

 

[Freki]

Yeh, otherwise the insulin dulls the gh response eh. Waste of a needle and compound. I don’t feel any hungrier from the cjc /ipa though, which seems to be in line with what I’m reading online. I wonder what MK feels like now . Hunger impulse can’t be as strong as after running 15km

I dunno. Some fellow members have reported being ravenous on the MK.Although I've never come close to running 15km so I can't say one way or another LOL

Yeah nothing makes me as hungry as big weekly kms , just eat eat eat , and stay super skinny

 

[nattybydesign]

Nothing too much to say, been consistent with the dosing, TB500 is annoying to pull, did a CJC+Ipa / BPC this morning because I'm fasted until 12PM anyways so may as well 8:40 injection, no coffee until 10:40. Some light rehab exercises before work (30mins). Not sure if placebo, but I did get harder than normal last night during playtime with the mrs.

 

[nattybydesign]

If you’re just looking for something to help you push then ostarime and cardarine are great for endurance and pushing lactic down. Used to use it during hard road and mountain bike training blocks.

thinking about this for possibly my speed + endurance building phase in January. Both are sarms and would require a test base + PCT right

 

[s.gentz]

thinking about this for possibly my speed + endurance building phase in January. Both are sarms and would require a test base + PCT right

No test base but osterine is mildly suppressive so a mini pct will be needed.

 

[nattybydesign]

No test base but osterine is mildly suppressive so a mini pct will be needed.

I do have that enclo lying around? I'll get some bloodwork soon, so we'll see where I'm at. I'm hoping anything I take does not permanently nuke my test production

 

[LevButlerov]

No test base but osterine is mildly suppressive so a mini pct will be needed.

I do have that enclo lying around? I'll get some bloodwork soon, so we'll see where I'm at. I'm hoping anything I take does not permanently nuke my test production

Yes @s.gentz is correct cardarine+ostarine good stack
check https://umbrellalabs.is for it
but for pct you'll need hcgenerate + enclomiphene

 

[nattybydesign]

First 10k in a week. Hamstring not an issue anymore. More knee rehab at this point and being careful with my stride / cadence. Step downs / banded knee / hip flexor strength training / compound t bar lift. Excited to see what my body feels like once I ramp back to 50km a week. Wont do that this week though, maybe after next week.

 

[LevButlerov]

First 10k in a week. Hamstring not an issue anymore. More knee rehab at this point and being careful with my stride / cadence. Step downs / banded knee / hip flexor strength training / compound t bar lift. Excited to see what my body feels like once I ramp back to 50km a week. Wont do that this week though, maybe after next week.

excited to see you doing good again lets push EVO family support @nattybydesign

 

[nattybydesign]

enclo in hand will save this for when im healed n running a strength / endurance cycle for swim and run i guess. this is useless for recovery because enclo tanks estrogen?

 

[nattybydesign]

 

[LevButlerov]

enclo in hand will save this for when im healed n running a strength / endurance cycle for swim and run i guess. this is useless for recovery because enclo tanks estrogen?

Yes enclomiphene won’t help recovery right now since it lowers e2 too much and delays healing. I dont think it's useful in your case IMO @nattybydesign

enclo in hand will save this for when im healed n running a strength / endurance cycle for swim and run i guess. this is useless for recovery because enclo tanks estrogen?

 

[nattybydesign]

Recovery coming along. Kin exercises / BPC / TB stack. Ran a slightly fast run today, no hamstring pain at all from a month ago. Knee pain is reducing day by day, I'd say at about 80% now. Running form seems okay, I was also pretty active yesterday doing some trampolining. This stuff isn't magic though (maybe TEMU wolverine, but definitely not close to wolverine). That being said, I think my sleep quality is slowly going up. Considering getting some HGH for a morning injection to boost morning levels. CJC/IPA before bed. HGH (3iu) in morning , fast until lunch. Depending on convenience, might do some HGH shots after workouts on weekends too. Thoughts guys?

 

[LevButlerov]

Recovery coming along. Kin exercises / BPC / TB stack. Ran a slightly fast run today, no hamstring pain at all from a month ago. Knee pain is reducing day by day, I'd say at about 80% now. Running form seems okay, I was also pretty active yesterday doing some trampolining. This stuff isn't magic though (maybe TEMU wolverine, but definitely not close to wolverine). That being said, I think my sleep quality is slowly going up. Considering getting some HGH for a morning injection to boost morning levels. CJC/IPA before bed. HGH (3iu) in morning , fast until lunch. Depending on convenience, might do some HGH shots after workouts on weekends too. Thoughts guys?

Good to hear the hamstring is pain free and the knee at 80%, the rehab work is hitting! @nattybydesign
keep the kin drills steady and add easy pace running for a week
HGH at 3iu in the morning with CJC IPA at night is fine but skip the random post workout shots imo and you need more bpc/tb how much you doing?

 

[nattybydesign]

Good to hear the hamstring is pain free and the knee at 80%, the rehab work is hitting! @nattybydesign
keep the kin drills steady and add easy pace running for a week
HGH at 3iu in the morning with CJC IPA at night is fine but skip the random post workout shots imo and you need more bpc/tb how much you doing?

300mcg BPC twice per day / tb 500mcg EOD

 

[LevButlerov]

300mcg BPC twice per day / tb 500mcg EOD

those are good doses, add GHK as well imo @nattybydesign

 

[Mobster]

Recovery coming along. Kin exercises / BPC / TB stack. Ran a slightly fast run today, no hamstring pain at all from a month ago. Knee pain is reducing day by day, I'd say at about 80% now. Running form seems okay, I was also pretty active yesterday doing some trampolining. This stuff isn't magic though (maybe TEMU wolverine, but definitely not close to wolverine). That being said, I think my sleep quality is slowly going up. Considering getting some HGH for a morning injection to boost morning levels. CJC/IPA before bed. HGH (3iu) in morning , fast until lunch. Depending on convenience, might do some HGH shots after workouts on weekends too. Thoughts guys?

Don't push the injury just because you feel better then end up making it 'temu' yourself.

 

[stevesmi]

Recovery coming along. Kin exercises / BPC / TB stack. Ran a slightly fast run today, no hamstring pain at all from a month ago. Knee pain is reducing day by day, I'd say at about 80% now. Running form seems okay, I was also pretty active yesterday doing some trampolining. This stuff isn't magic though (maybe TEMU wolverine, but definitely not close to wolverine). That being said, I think my sleep quality is slowly going up. Considering getting some HGH for a morning injection to boost morning levels. CJC/IPA before bed. HGH (3iu) in morning , fast until lunch. Depending on convenience, might do some HGH shots after workouts on weekends too. Thoughts guys?

@nattybydesign good to hear you are able to do some running. My recommendation is run barefoot on grass. That is a soft surface and it won't cause effects up and down your legs.

 

[nattybydesign]

those are good doses, add GHK as well imo @nattybydesign

tissue regen ? i keep hearing people getting injection site reactions. maybe they arent reconsituting with 5ml per 50g vial

 

[2Thick]

Recovery coming along. Kin exercises / BPC / TB stack. Ran a slightly fast run today, no hamstring pain at all from a month ago. Knee pain is reducing day by day, I'd say at about 80% now. Running form seems okay, I was also pretty active yesterday doing some trampolining. This stuff isn't magic though (maybe TEMU wolverine, but definitely not close to wolverine). That being said, I think my sleep quality is slowly going up. Considering getting some HGH for a morning injection to boost morning levels. CJC/IPA before bed. HGH (3iu) in morning , fast until lunch. Depending on convenience, might do some HGH shots after workouts on weekends too. Thoughts guys?

That's great news that your knee pain is getting reduced about 80%. The reality is sometimes we're never going to get rid of it 100%. So I'm glad you like your body and you know your body well. @nattybydesign

 

[nattybydesign]

That's great news that your knee pain is getting reduced about 80%. The reality is sometimes we're never going to get rid of it 100%. So I'm glad you like your body and you know your body well. @nattybydesign

Thanks I'll continue with this protocol until end of December and see where I'm at. In addition to the peptides I'm doing kin exercises / trying to strength the entire lower chain. My goal is to work up to weighted step downs with no pain, that should get me to where I want to be.

 

[nattybydesign]

No test base but osterine is mildly suppressive so a mini pct will be needed.

Curious about this, how long am I running this cycle for? Ostarine + Cardarine both suppress T, ideally I should pin some test E to maintain my levels, otherwise these compounds will eventually make me feel worse and worse as my natural levels drop? I've been researching and the minimum length of a test cycle is 12 weeks?

 

[Ulter]

Thanks I'll continue with this protocol until end of December and see where I'm at. In addition to the peptides I'm doing kin exercises / trying to strength the entire lower chain. My goal is to work up to weighted step downs with no pain, that should get me to where I want to be.

that is super smart. i'm glad you are kicking ass and taking names @nattybydesign it takes a true alpha to be willing to continue to protocol and then see where you're at and then make changes.

 

[ceo]

tissue regen ? i keep hearing people getting injection site reactions. maybe they arent reconsituting with 5ml per 50g vial

@nattybydesign bros it supposed to hurt like hell to use GHK. But guess what? Only one way to find out. Try it and let us know.

 

[LevButlerov]

tissue regen ? i keep hearing people getting injection site reactions. maybe they arent reconsituting with 5ml per 50g vial

You can help recovery with GHK is what I mean.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Curious about this, how long am I running this cycle for? Ostarine + Cardarine both suppress T, ideally I should pin some test E to maintain my levels, otherwise these compounds will eventually make me feel worse and worse as my natural levels drop? I've been researching and the minimum length of a test cycle is 12 weeks?

cardarine does NOT suppress T at all. its not a hormone. its a drug. @nattybydesign

 

[nattybydesign]

@nattybydesign good to hear you are able to do some running. My recommendation is run barefoot on grass. That is a soft surface and it won't cause effects up and down your legs.

I walk around 15,000 steps barefoot on my walking mill, heh. It's the only way I can get 22,000 steps a day right now :')

 

[2Thick]

Thanks I'll continue with this protocol until end of December and see where I'm at. In addition to the peptides I'm doing kin exercises / trying to strength the entire lower chain. My goal is to work up to weighted step downs with no pain, that should get me to where I want to be.

cool lets see what happens champ !

 

[stevesmi]

I walk around 15,000 steps barefoot on my walking mill, heh. It's the only way I can get 22,000 steps a day right now :')

hell yeah that is awesome!

 

[nattybydesign]

Lost track of the days, ran out of BPC 10mg vial (started around October 30 -> Nov 15). First vial gone and I think there is some effect. Still have some TB500 / CJC / IPA left. I definitely feel better recovered and not as sore from gym workouts. I am returning to my pre-injury workout load according to Garmin. Will continue with this for another month (I have a reliable source and some more vials coming in). Getting my free testosterone tested tomorrow and have another log coming up soon (Cardarine + OST 20mg / 10mg) is what I will probably start running in December. In hindsight, I should of gotten my IGF-1 levels checked before IPA / CJC, but whatever I guess. I am planning to cycle off of IPA / CJC towards end of December.

 

[Dreamer]

Lost track of the days, ran out of BPC 10mg vial (started around October 30 -> Nov 15). First vial gone and I think there is some effect. Still have some TB500 / CJC / IPA left. I definitely feel better recovered and not as sore from gym workouts. Will continue with this for another month (I have a reliable source and some more vials coming in). Getting my free testosterone tested tomorrow and have another log coming up soon (Cardarine + OST 20mg / 10mg) is what I will probably start running in December.

Interesting, I am really trying to research and learn about peptides and the like, I will be following

 

[nattybydesign]

Interesting, I am really trying to research and learn about peptides and the like, I will be following

From looking at your logs, peptides are such a small benefit compared to something like raw HGH / Test (I have not tried TRT dosages or injected test before) I think for most people (who don't work out 7 days a week, the benefits would be negligible / barely noticeable. Might be worth considering if you really want to dial in an extra 5% though. I was also considering getting MOTS-C / Epitalon for improving cardio / sleep, might try these in the future, but these seem wishy washy compared to the drugs / SARMS members reco'd.

 

[Dreamer]

I

From looking at your logs, peptides are such a small benefit compared to something like raw HGH / Test (I have not tried TRT dosages or injected test before) I think for most people (who don't work out 7 days a week, the benefits would be negligible / barely noticeable. Might be worth considering if you really want to dial in an extra 5% though.

I am thinking of things like Mots, Klow, Epithalon and ss31 for a health and longevity side and maybe to even mitigate some damage, boost energy etc

 

[nattybydesign]

I

I am thinking of things like Mots, Klow, Epithalon and ss31 for a health and longevity side and maybe to even mitigate some damage, boost energy etc

I'm looking into these as well, I will probably save them for my PCT after I cycle off of OST / Cardarine. Although mildly suppressive according to people on EVO, I have heard some people feel like shit after they cycle off OST. This would be my first time using a SARM too, so I'm guessing, I'll feel like shit too :|

 

[Shakey]

Hello guys,

I wanted to share my fitness journey.

Some background:

Im 35 years old
I am currently 150lbs
Height 5"6

Prior to getting back into fitness

32 years old
180lbs

I dropped my weight down through weight lifting for 6 months / swimming / caloric deficit
Got into running summer 2025, and have been seeing steady progress with it.
I'm aiming for a sub 20 5k and sub 1:30 half marathon hopefully by 2027.

Current day November 7th, 2026.
Probably most fit I've ever been in my life
Sustained a grade 1 hamstring tear from doing a bit too much, too fast running.

Decided to hop on some peptides to help me with recovery / reaching my fitness goals (leaner + faster + stronger)

Here is my Natty+ Stack

CJC 1295 no dac + ipa 200ug before bed (started Nov 6) 200ug
- Noticed an immediate flushing of face after taking this (face felt hot)
BPC 157 (started Oct 29) 300ug morning / before bed
- I did notice some reduced pain after taking this, I also do rehab exercises
TB500 (started Nov 6) every other day 500ug

I have also ordered enclo from one of the approved sources. I'm a bit scared because people have said they've encountered worsened vision? I work in front of a computer, so this is a bit concerning for me. Any recos would be appreciated.

@nattybydesign i was wondering how much pain relief from the bpc did you feel and did you pin locally? Am going to try some bpc for my back(herniated l4-l5 and l5-s1) though no local pinning obv.

I guess the running volume + change in training modalities didn't help.


I would say I'm an experienced runner, 2,000 ~ km logged in 2026, 1,000 ~km logged in 2025.
My lifts aren't great but I do hit the gym for legs + upper body

My training log for the two months leading up to it before was like
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
75KM (deload week, 1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
100KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
75KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
90KM (1 fast session, rest easy zone 2 runs)
70KM (injury this week, I think because I started training for Hyrox - Lunges, sled pushes, sled pulls, +1 fast session + another fast session on incline treadmill) went into physio / kin to get it looked at
30KM (all easy z2 , pace significantly reduced and nagging feeling)
50KM (all easy z2, pace improving slightly, no BPC yet)
20KM (all easy z2, pace improving a bit more, with BPC)
Combination of reducing volume + time + BPC won't really know I guess..
I do feel less aches while on BPC + TB( just one night)

Dude those numbers are crazy to me, im exhausted just reading them. Ill stick to my 5kph speed lol

 

[nattybydesign]

@nattybydesign i was wondering how much pain relief from the bpc did you feel and did you pin locally? Am going to try some bpc for my back(herniated l4-l5 and l5-s1) though no local pinning obv.



Dude those numbers are crazy to me, im exhausted just reading them. Ill stick to my 5kph speed lol

sub injection into stomache should be enough. TB500/ BPC157 injections for me were very mild (maybe my dose wasn't high enough), I definitely did feel more blood circulation into my knee area. The results are not as dramatic as your peptide influencer would make you believe. I'd say give it a shot, but don't think it can replace tried and true physio / kin exercises. Isometric holds / foam rolling / recovery protocols ontop of tb500/bpc would be ideal.

 

[Shakey]

sub injection into stomache should be enough. TB500/ BPC157 injections for me were very mild (maybe my dose wasn't high enough), I definitely did feel more blood circulation into my knee area. The results are not as dramatic as your peptide influencer would make you believe. I'd say give it a shot, but don't think it can replace tried and true physio / kin exercises. Isometric holds / foam rolling / recovery protocols ontop of tb500/bpc would be ideal.

Yea, wasnt expecting a miracle but figured itd be a good shot to take. For the most part i just do extensions and deadlift atm. Its way better than it used to be but figured bpc might take the edge off so i can do more cardio for my cut.

 

[nattybydesign]

Yea, wasnt expecting a miracle but figured itd be a good shot to take. For the most part i just do extensions and deadlift atm. Its way better than it used to be but figured bpc might take the edge off so i can do more cardio for my cut.

id try to do some physio or kin if you can in addition to bpc / tb protocol. if you don’t have extended insurance you can also just find exercises that dont aggravate your back more

 

[Shakey]

id try to do some physio or kin if you can in addition to bpc / tb protocol. if you don’t have extended insurance you can also just find exercises that dont aggravate your back more

ohip only, no extended
Only coverage for physio was when my disc pinched the nerve causing my quad to waste away. Still recovering from that bs.
Probably just look up some new exercises that work for me.

 

[nattybydesign]

3 Week Update:

Hamstring pain non existent
Still some slight knee imbalance, however my balance + strength on left has improved from 3 weeks ago (numbers wise, I was only able to do 10lbs on single leg extensions (left) , now I'm up to 30 with some slight discomfort)
Able to swim with both legs again (no more pull buoy assistance, week 1 I could not swim freestyle without aggravating my left hamstring / knee)
Compound lifts have returned back to base line
I can run without any issues again, I ran two tempo runs (both 10k without any issues)
Still some knee pain, but I think it is manageable now, will continue with my last ~5mg of TB500, but I should be finished soon.
caveat: I probably had a grade 1/2 hamstring / tendon strain from sled pushes (from my research these usually heal within 1 week -> 3 months)

Total amount of peptides used:
10mg TB500
10mg BPC157
5mg CJC / IPA (no dac)

Total hours spent working on rehab exercises / general strength training in gym because I reduced running volume
substitute 4~5 hrs a week on strength / rehab exercises
reduction of 4~5 hrs a week on running

 

[LevButlerov]

3 Week Update:

Hamstring pain non existent
Still some slight knee imbalance, however my balance + strength on left has improved from 3 weeks ago (numbers wise, I was only able to do 10lbs on single leg extensions (left) , now I'm up to 30 with some slight discomfort)
Able to swim with both legs again (no more pull buoy assistance, week 1 I could not swim freestyle without aggravating my left hamstring / knee)
Compound lifts have returned back to base line
I can run without any issues again, I ran two tempo runs (both 10k without any issues)
Still some knee pain, but I think it is manageable now, will continue with my last ~5mg of TB500, but I should be finished soon.
caveat: I probably had a grade 1/2 hamstring / tendon strain from sled pushes (from my research these usually heal within 1 week -> 3 months)

Total amount of peptides used:
10mg TB500
10mg BPC157
5mg CJC / IPA (no dac)

Total hours spent working on rehab exercises / general strength training in gym because I reduced running volume
substitute 4~5 hrs a week on strength / rehab exercises
reduction of 4~5 hrs a week on running

Good update and the comeback looks smooth @nattybydesign
the hamstring now handling running and tempo work and the single leg extension at 30kg is good, your left side catching up
i would stay on tb and get more bpc if you can

 

[Mobster]

3 Week Update:

Hamstring pain non existent
Still some slight knee imbalance, however my balance + strength on left has improved from 3 weeks ago (numbers wise, I was only able to do 10lbs on single leg extensions (left) , now I'm up to 30 with some slight discomfort)
Able to swim with both legs again (no more pull buoy assistance, week 1 I could not swim freestyle without aggravating my left hamstring / knee)
Compound lifts have returned back to base line
I can run without any issues again, I ran two tempo runs (both 10k without any issues)
Still some knee pain, but I think it is manageable now, will continue with my last ~5mg of TB500, but I should be finished soon.
caveat: I probably had a grade 1/2 hamstring / tendon strain from sled pushes (from my research these usually heal within 1 week -> 3 months)

Total amount of peptides used:
10mg TB500
10mg BPC157
5mg CJC / IPA (no dac)

Total hours spent working on rehab exercises / general strength training in gym because I reduced running volume
substitute 4~5 hrs a week on strength / rehab exercises
reduction of 4~5 hrs a week on running

Swimming is great rehab

 

[stevesmi]

3 Week Update:

Hamstring pain non existent
Still some slight knee imbalance, however my balance + strength on left has improved from 3 weeks ago (numbers wise, I was only able to do 10lbs on single leg extensions (left) , now I'm up to 30 with some slight discomfort)
Able to swim with both legs again (no more pull buoy assistance, week 1 I could not swim freestyle without aggravating my left hamstring / knee)
Compound lifts have returned back to base line
I can run without any issues again, I ran two tempo runs (both 10k without any issues)
Still some knee pain, but I think it is manageable now, will continue with my last ~5mg of TB500, but I should be finished soon.
caveat: I probably had a grade 1/2 hamstring / tendon strain from sled pushes (from my research these usually heal within 1 week -> 3 months)

Total amount of peptides used:
10mg TB500
10mg BPC157
5mg CJC / IPA (no dac)

Total hours spent working on rehab exercises / general strength training in gym because I reduced running volume
substitute 4~5 hrs a week on strength / rehab exercises
reduction of 4~5 hrs a week on running

@nattybydesign I got a lot of respect for this layout right here. The peptides that you're using are fantastic. I like the TB and the BPC looks really nice to me.

 

[Ulter]

3 Week Update:

Hamstring pain non existent
Still some slight knee imbalance, however my balance + strength on left has improved from 3 weeks ago (numbers wise, I was only able to do 10lbs on single leg extensions (left) , now I'm up to 30 with some slight discomfort)
Able to swim with both legs again (no more pull buoy assistance, week 1 I could not swim freestyle without aggravating my left hamstring / knee)
Compound lifts have returned back to base line
I can run without any issues again, I ran two tempo runs (both 10k without any issues)
Still some knee pain, but I think it is manageable now, will continue with my last ~5mg of TB500, but I should be finished soon.
caveat: I probably had a grade 1/2 hamstring / tendon strain from sled pushes (from my research these usually heal within 1 week -> 3 months)

Total amount of peptides used:
10mg TB500
10mg BPC157
5mg CJC / IPA (no dac)

Total hours spent working on rehab exercises / general strength training in gym because I reduced running volume
substitute 4~5 hrs a week on strength / rehab exercises
reduction of 4~5 hrs a week on running

tb500 and bpc are great options! they stack perfect. also like adding cjc/ipa. those are good GH peps @nattybydesign

 

[ceo]

3 Week Update:

Hamstring pain non existent
Still some slight knee imbalance, however my balance + strength on left has improved from 3 weeks ago (numbers wise, I was only able to do 10lbs on single leg extensions (left) , now I'm up to 30 with some slight discomfort)
Able to swim with both legs again (no more pull buoy assistance, week 1 I could not swim freestyle without aggravating my left hamstring / knee)
Compound lifts have returned back to base line
I can run without any issues again, I ran two tempo runs (both 10k without any issues)
Still some knee pain, but I think it is manageable now, will continue with my last ~5mg of TB500, but I should be finished soon.
caveat: I probably had a grade 1/2 hamstring / tendon strain from sled pushes (from my research these usually heal within 1 week -> 3 months)

Total amount of peptides used:
10mg TB500
10mg BPC157
5mg CJC / IPA (no dac)

Total hours spent working on rehab exercises / general strength training in gym because I reduced running volume
substitute 4~5 hrs a week on strength / rehab exercises
reduction of 4~5 hrs a week on running

bros nice your hammies okay. nice setup on healing stack for peptides @nattybydesign i like tb and bpc too!