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Or a Bill and Monica situation lolLooks like another case of OJ Simpson where all the evidence it pointing pretty clearly but seems like the defendant is saying "If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit!"
Scammed by a trusted seller Steven Swatsky Big Waz Big time scammer
- Thread starter MrWonderful
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BCGains
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I hate to say it bro, but I’m convinced you chooched him lol.
You admit to taking growth guys the reta is growth guys labeling, you offered to re sell 60mg for $400, 10 mg for 150 etc everything is just jacked up pricing,
Your number fits, there’s dm proof. I mean it’s STACKED against you bro
@BCGains lmao if you insult me again you'll get a time out, watch your mouth.
I added you because you have been suspected by other mods of being a growth guys rep, very close to this.
Your defense is to jump to an AI chat bot (which is literally coded to respond in agreeance with you 90% of the time) to tell the forum messages can be faked? That's a really weak point to make.
Exhibit A:
Exhibit A:
BCGains
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You should get time out for even mentioning me.
Grow up, I’ve never tried to sell anyone anything here lmao.
Your culprit is infront of you and you are switching to me. Shits comical honestly. Stick to the thread guy
Bigswaz
SUSPENDED 2025 - Scamming
Odds are always stacked is what it is, and I don’t have 60mg vials just 20s.
Bigswaz
SUSPENDED 2025 - Scamming
Twas the last line just showing it can be done. It’s been done for years so yes I went and used it. My bad for trying to show anything is possibleYour defense is to jump to an AI chat bot (which is literally coded to respond in agreeance with you 90% of the time) to tell the forum messages can be faked? That's a really weak point to make.
Exhibit A:
BCGains
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We’re gona need a photo of you in the bathroom with ur sink and fingertips to see if it matches lmao. But nah I genuinely think you are guilty bro.
I can’t imagine this to be all fabricated. It’s not cool what you’ve done. I hope I’m wrong you seemed like a chill dude, but I get it economy is tough. But never at the expense of others.
You make some good points but @Eddie Haskell clearly has a plan to get to the truth here.Your defense is to jump to an AI chat bot (which is literally coded to respond in agreeance with you 90% of the time) to tell the forum messages can be faked? That's a really weak point to make.
Exhibit A:
Don't scream fire where there is none, we have suspected you of being a growth guys rep, this is a peptides thread, it seems you could be involved, if you're not dont get your panties in a bunch.
Exactly in the worst part is I was very clear. That money is tight with Christmas just around the corner and having two kids. But he’s a self-centered Selfish piece of shit.
Bigswaz
SUSPENDED 2025 - Scamming
All good man I get it. I’m done defending myself. Is what it is I’d never go out of my way to hurt someone especially someone with a family. I lost mine last year and earned them back. I know what it’s like to lose everything and barely get by. That’s. It the case anymore I don’t need his money my business is doing very well.
I’m walking away from this conversation if you ban me ban me.
@MrWonderful please upload, we have been given 24 hours by management to resolved this, followed by suspensions.
@Bigswaz @BeMe @HarleyGuy @stevesmi @Allupfromhere @BCGains
did he use a cigar or whatsapp?
BCGains
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I think it’s pretty clear I’m not, it’s pretty lame if you to assume such things.
Bro you haven’t even made any arguments to defend urself aside from an AI response to generated WhatsApp convo.
If I was you, I’d do a video tour of my bathroom to show it’s not my sink, close up of my fingertips to show it’s not me.
The photos of everything came from your number but you deny it’s you.
SHITS CRAZY I LOVE EVO THIS IS WHY I STAY THE DRAMA IS UNREAL
Should have put family 1st always, think of ya poor kids could had a new Playstation etc etc
Pre shocking to fall into a hole twice in a row
losing now $2600?
Dude I'd argue spending two grand on peds for yourself when you have two kids and it's Christmas is selfish and self-centered... Especially if money is tight. Again you're not helping your argument here. Work on getting that video up. The more you talk the more you hurt yourself
LMAO!!!!!did he use a cigar or whatsapp?
BCGains
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Bro that’s all besides the point, literally look at the evidence. Forget about his current financial state.
THE EVIDENCE
True lol it's pure drama watching the arguments back and forth, real intriguing!
The drama continues. Stay tuned.
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Bigswaz
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Here you go same bathroom I’ve always used in every single photo uokoad I’ve ever taken. Look at my log I’m always in this one bathroom taking my selfies of my abs
Sure as fuck doesn’t look anything close to the photos he’s showing. Again IM TIRED OF DEFENDING MYSLEF FOR THIS FUCKING SHT
Sure as fuck doesn’t look anything close to the photos he’s showing. Again IM TIRED OF DEFENDING MYSLEF FOR THIS FUCKING SHT
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BCGains
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Damn the countertops are different, unless he has 2 bathrooms with different finishes… lol THE PLOT THICKENS
Post your fingertips with the nail side showing.
Yea I hear you.. that's what @Eddie Haskell is working on. He gave @MrWonderful very specific instructions for a reason. Thats the evidence we need here.
I'm kinda with you. Looks bad on @Bigswaz but at the same time @MrWonderful is just asking to get his shit took and seems kinda crazy so that raises some doubt in my head. Swaz has been a good dude too so that counts for somethn.
Need some hard evidence
BCGains
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Good dudes go rogue all the time bro, that’s not enough in my books.
Bigswaz
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Wish I had 2 bathrooms would make the women happy so she wouldn’t have to smell my morning protein shts
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I cannot say if @Bigswaz is guilty or not and if @MrWonderful is lying or not at this point. @Eddie Haskell is in DM discussion with @MrWonderful to see the videos somehow.
Bigswaz
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Yeah I was going to say shouldn’t this also be a red flag. The guy literally blaming me for his kids not having Christmas gifts? He spent 2 grand on peds and it’s my fault he doesn’t have money for his kids? What was he planning on giving his kids tren for gifts???
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It would be your fault if you are the person with the whatsapp phone number, if you are not, he will be banned for life @Bigswaz
Bigswaz
SUSPENDED 2025 - Scamming
I’m not my friend honestly can say I’m not. But I’ll let the higher ups decide that for themselves
BCGains
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So you already admit it was your number, DMs also prove it’s your number.
But you are saying he never contacted you? I mean help us make sense of this
I’m waiting for @MrWonderful to provide an anonymous video, he sent me one with his address, I won’t open anything personal.
He is 1000% I sent @Eddie Haskell a dm of the video requested
It’s been sent !
Regardless this scamming scumbag won’t be refunding me my money and no it’s not my kids Christmas fund but I made it clear money is tight and that I’m trusting hiM so it’s definitely disheartening to be scammed by someone who kept reassuring me that im in good hands!
Bigswaz
SUSPENDED 2025 - Scamming
He called my Personal number today, if you read anything I never takked to him on WhatsApp where he’s claiming all this happened.
I sent you an answer look please
BCGains
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But there’s a dm saying msg me on WhatsApp, with your number.how else would he get your number?
Your name is bigswaz, Steven sawatsky, I mean it def fits.
Question is whether the contact number in WhatsApp chat is the actual number @Bigswaz gave him. The screenshots aren’t clear.
He’s sending me a video but I haven’t seen it.
BCGains
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How’s it not clear? Evo dm, and WhatsApp both have the same number, bigswaz said he called him and reported the call to rcmp. Clearly the number matched
I lik bigswaz he’s always had my back on the arguments, but I dno man shoe fits!
I would think just like you if I didn’t experience fake screenshots before.
I’ve seen members alter and change screenshots before, so before we take action management asked me to verify in video format that validity of the WhatsApp chat.
It’s to make sure both parties in this @Bigswaz and @MrWonderful have their say via evidence.
BCGains
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Dude what are we talking about?
Big swaz said Mr wonderful called him making threats, and he reported him to the rcmp. How can you fake screenshots when the apparent scammer admit to receiving the call? He even posted a screen recording.
How else would he get the number, have WhatsApp proof, etc? There’s a dm of evo with swaz giving him the number.
Make it public or approve the viewing requests. Better yet, upload to imgur.
BCGains
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Agreed, I don’t want to request with my work/personal email lol
Make video public please
let anyone view a Google Drive file,
select the file, click the Share icon, go to "General access," change it from "Restricted" to "Anyone with the link," set the role to "Viewer," then copy and share the link
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Done!
Looks like the final nail in the coffin to me...
BCGains
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Is it ur number or notlol that video is why proves I was the one having that conversation with him? Oki doki then ban me lol yup cause that conversation says im big swaz, that conversation says anything im from this fourm, that video says its me. All good jail in the coffin
It’s the number you provided ya dummy!!lol that video is why proves I was the one having that conversation with him? Oki doki then ban me lol yup cause that conversation says im big swaz, that conversation says anything im from this fourm, that video says its me. All good jail in the coffin
Clearly!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AcbMnELUo4jt01lNxuqcZL4yxEGSIGA_/view?usp=drivesdk
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@Bigswaz are you saying this is not you talking to him from start to finish? The video is fake too you say?
@BeMe @HarleyGuy @stevesmi @Pigsy @LevButlerov
lol that video is why proves I was the one having that conversation with him? Oki doki then ban me lol yup cause that conversation says im big swaz, that conversation says anything im from this fourm, that video says its me. All good jail in the coffin
BCGains
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Also to be fair @Bigswaz when we had a convo about Chinese sources, you asked me for one and I gave it to you. But when I asked you for yours, you said oh wait till I get it first etc.
You could have said “it’s xyz but maybe wait till I receive my order first”
I didn’t say anything but it came off like you wanted more sources and didn’t want to share yours.
You could have said “it’s xyz but maybe wait till I receive my order first”
I didn’t say anything but it came off like you wanted more sources and didn’t want to share yours.
Bigswaz
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I NEVER SPOKE TO HIM ON WHATSAPP AT ALL!! THE ONLY TIME I SPOKE TO HIM IS WHEN HE CSLLED ME THIS EVENING SAYING I KNEW WHO IS WAS AND I DIDNT HAVE A FUCKING CLUE.
Think I’ve said this about 10 times now and pretty nicely until about now
So this guy pulled your actual phone number out of thin air and called you on a whim? Also what about that police report evidence with redacted info?
Oh. Those tags at the very bottom have nothing to do with sellers. Lev tags some of us because we interact a lot on the forum. He has tagged me hundreds of times. I don’t sell ANYTHING EVER nor do I have anything to do with any of the vendors I have even rejected offers for free gear to log for vendors. This part at least is a misunderstanding. @MrWonderful I’ve just seen this but I can assure you it’s being dealt with.
BCGains
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Literally this, I don’t understand how people are overlooking all of this lmao.
You can say it till your blue in the face but the bottom fucken lines you YOU yes YOU scammed me!
Bigswaz
SUSPENDED 2025 - Scamming
I gave him ky number on this form in dms, but I never had a single conversation with him on WhatsApp, the only outside communication is when he called my personal phone not WhatsApp not any other app my actual PersonL phone and that was tonite for the first time
He called the phone number on the WhatsApp chat?
The same one in the video?
Just simply send back the money even partially bro don’t be a scammer it’s not a good vibe to put out why invite negative karma?
Is that your phone number? The one on top of the WhatsApp chat
BCGains
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i highly doubt you are getting a penny back bro
Bigswaz
SUSPENDED 2025 - Scamming
I didjt take your money and you treatned to kill my family. RCMP have the recordings of your calls and your texts you sent me this evening. I’ve provided my BANKING info to them ZERO MONEY FROM YOU. I never talked to you on what’s app I have no fucking idea who your talking to but it wasn’t me. YES. That’s my number No that’s not me
It’s wild ! Guy point blank scammed me and is acting all confused about getting called out lol
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It must have been a ghost
Bigswaz
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And the last name he provided isn’t even my last name. Just so your aware
Yeah I understand that. He has to live with the karma coming his way! You act like a shithead and steal from ppl it definitely comes back in ways unexpected and I know that’s exactly what will happen with him and I’m good with that
BCGains
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@Eddie Haskell
Same countertop in the bathroom from your log and what you sent him in the photo of the vials.
I also beleive I found your social media. Your face is blurred here but the skin tone, size and beard stubble color all match.
You said you had the one bathroom but you posted this on your log. Busted, I should get a reward.
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I’m talking to him now.
The question here is
If I'm wrong it was a very clever scam and I do feel bad for Bigswaz and he dealt with this with a lot of restraint.
If I'm right then Bigswaz is guilty and I never thought I'd say this but I'm with @BCGains on this one.
- Does Bigswaz admit to giving that whatsapp number in the EVO DM's? YES
- Is the whatsapp # his cell #? YES
- We can all agree no one spoke on Whatsapp via phone call to that number, but then why then does Bigswaz answer (on Monday) the number provided via DM on EVO by Bigswaz days prior and he answers that number on his personal cell phone days later
- The 'have you found someone else' message on whatsapp timing is also super suspicious
If I'm wrong it was a very clever scam and I do feel bad for Bigswaz and he dealt with this with a lot of restraint.
If I'm right then Bigswaz is guilty and I never thought I'd say this but I'm with @BCGains on this one.
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You’re saying it’s his real name?
BCGains
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he said he has the one bathroom and posted a photo of it, but I found the same bathroom that he took pics of the vial to send to mrwonderful.
@Bigswaz is busted. This is a shut case,
He lied about the bathroom, lied about the convos and continued to deny. The proof speaks for itself, look at the counter tops of the photo I posted above
BCGains
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Yes, but forget names bro, look at the bathroom photos
Bullseye!
I edited my analysis with better detail. There is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I'd reread what I wrote @BCGains because Bigswaz doesn't have enough wiggle room to explain the DM'd # provided on EVO and then answering the same exact # in person a couple days later. So in between the EVO DM and answering the phone call someone took over his line and pretended to be Bigswaz and scam MrW? Naaaah, too much of a stretch. GUILTY.
There's that (what I posted) along with the bathroom photos as well. If this was a case at trial it's a slam dunk.
Agreed.
What a find! This is so satisfying...it's like I'm cumming over and over day and night
I can’t believe it, I agree with @BCGains in this case.
Agreed. Read my 'case analysis' as well as @BCGains investigative journalism. Bigswaz you are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This is shameful and a lifetime ban is my recommendation.
AND... again, and this is NOT pointed directly at anyone, this is WHY we ONLY 'promote' and refer members only to EVO approved sources who have gone through our approval process including a 60-day probationary period. Otherwise if you wanna play, you're gonna pay and sorry @MrWonderful but that part is on you, as you very humbly admitted.
Any recommendations on a trusted seller lol
Bigswaz
SUSPENDED 2025 - Scamming
That’s not the sake bathroom that’s at my father’s place back in February I believe. Busted taking a photo it’s my dads is a crime? Grow up. I only have 1 bathroom in my house. I never took money from this guy I have zero anything showing in my bank records.
You’re better off refunding him at this stage of the process. This has gotten too far.
I sent you DM.
Bigswaz
SUSPENDED 2025 - Scamming
I replied to your dm. Let’s have a chat.
@Bigswaz The phone number you sent @MrWonderful is not the same as the phone number you DMed me
You need to stop with this lawyer and threat talk, it’s nonsense makes you look dumb man.
you sent a @MrWonderful a message with a phone number which was your phone number you admit it’s yours.
You sent it to him yourself trying to sell to him.
Why don’t you just refund him? What’s the problem here?
Next his phone/whatsapp was hacked or misused by "My nephew"
the vials in question like the reta was for "Ma nephews Momma"
Let's see how much more creativity he can come up with it's pure gold
the vials in question like the reta was for "Ma nephews Momma"
Let's see how much more creativity he can come up with
it's pure gold
They're winding you up. Ignore. And less of the 'loser' stuff.
It was an example not an accusation
I've got 6 lol. Only 2 are plumbed in
BCGains
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Yeah ok buddy. Straight from the horses mouth.
You are Guilty.
Grats on your 2k bro I’m happy for you, you post religious shit on your socials but chooch over civilians. Real classy.
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I do take an issue, as we've seen in threads like 'X company stole my rent', with the suggestion of a member stealing my xmas money.
No. You (in this case MIGHT) sent someone or some supplier money you couldn't afford to spend on something you didn't have the money for.
There's no Dickens version of Tiny Tim here. If you need money for rent or Xmas presents - pay your damn rent or buy those presents. I'm not getting how even if a member wasn't potentially scammed you'd still be ok for rent or presents. After all you'd still be (in this case) $2000 Canadian down. What was the plan - to give the kids some Reta in lieu of XBox games?
Simply put - not got it? Don't spend it. And esp on PEDs.
And, as has been said, why not use an actual approved source many of whom do deals and, cue look of shock, are trusted. Vs, as MAY be the case here, getting DMs and doing side deals.
Maybe it's just me but I've NEVER purchased from a member here. Nor been asked to sell to a member. At best I've had the odd DM asking for a recommended UK source and, as always, point out ALL our approved sources sells to the UK
No. You (in this case MIGHT) sent someone or some supplier money you couldn't afford to spend on something you didn't have the money for.
There's no Dickens version of Tiny Tim here. If you need money for rent or Xmas presents - pay your damn rent or buy those presents. I'm not getting how even if a member wasn't potentially scammed you'd still be ok for rent or presents. After all you'd still be (in this case) $2000 Canadian down. What was the plan - to give the kids some Reta in lieu of XBox games?
Simply put - not got it? Don't spend it. And esp on PEDs.
And, as has been said, why not use an actual approved source many of whom do deals and, cue look of shock, are trusted. Vs, as MAY be the case here, getting DMs and doing side deals.
Maybe it's just me but I've NEVER purchased from a member here. Nor been asked to sell to a member. At best I've had the odd DM asking for a recommended UK source and, as always, point out ALL our approved sources sells to the UK
I think you’ve already been recommended the trusted Canadian sources? I’m not Canadian but Nordic Fusion is widely referred to here. The banners at the top have approved sources and some of them can definitely get your orders filled in Canada. I have never tried to source from an individual on a forum and if someone tried to solicit me personally for a source I would block them immediately. I recommend you take the same approach. What happened to you can’t be happening here, it’s exactly what we are trying to avoid and it will ruin the forum. A lot of people’s personal time has gone into narrowing this down and stopping it. I don’t even DM about sources, there’s no need to do that and that’s a sure way to invite yourself into a scam. I haven’t been able to keep up with this entire thread but did in read correctly… you made a police report for being scammed trying to buy steroids bro? Yikes!
Yea you nailed him....damn dude you really nailed him
