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[Mobster]

In some ways results are self explanatory.

1. Your levels to the left and typical healthy ranges in brackets to the right. If done properly those ranges are for your age
2. We are all here cos we use PEDS, eat lots of protein and train, one hopes, hard as f**k. Those 3 things will all affect the results
3. You'll see the phrase 'health phase' used. It kinda means easing the fuck back off the gas until numbers getr back in range.
4. Use products like N2Guard. Others have a LONG list of supps to do the same job.

One issue is many focus on No2 but do NOTHING to help themselves. DO get daily steps, eat your veggies and so on

@stevesmi has also done posts and articles on blood tests

 

[Dreamer]

Blood results please lmk how it's all looking there are some concerns about levels being out of range not sure if they are meaning the test levels but there are a few results in red please can someone explain what it all means would be much appreciated.

Your bloods are actually quite solid, obviously been unwell, but minimal out of range, your lipids are good, liver numbers good, you will always have a red hormone panel as your not natural haha.

Your e2 is a little high, but you wouldnt need much at all to lower that into range.

Solid bloods all up.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Good call swapping out the mass gainers. They are just marketing hype but poor products with poor ingredients. You want calories coming from good whole clean foods.

 

[Pagan]

Training
Legs
4x seated leg press (200kg)
Weighted lunges (20kg)
3x leg curls (80kg)
3x hamstring curls (45kg)
3x Abductor (30kg) superset adductor (20kg)
Abs
3x weighted crunches on decline bench (20kg)
3x leg raises on decline bench
Finish with 2x 1 min planks

Diet I've attached screenshot as I'm away for Xmas and not much time to type everything out sorry

 

[Pagan]

In some ways results are self explanatory.

1. Your levels to the left and typical healthy ranges in brackets to the right. If done properly those ranges are for your age
2. We are all here cos we use PEDS, eat lots of protein and train, one hopes, hard as f**k. Those 3 things will all affect the results
3. You'll see the phrase 'health phase' used. It kinda means easing the fuck back off the gas until numbers getr back in range.
4. Use products like N2Guard. Others have a LONG list of supps to do the same job.

One issue is many focus on No2 but do NOTHING to help themselves. DO get daily steps, eat your veggies and so on

@stevesmi has also done posts and articles on blood tests

Thankyou brother much appreciated for the info

 

[Pagan]

Your bloods are actually quite solid, obviously been unwell, but minimal out of range, your lipids are good, liver numbers good, you will always have a red hormone panel as your not natural haha.

Your e2 is a little high, but you wouldnt need much at all to lower that into range.

Solid bloods all up.

Thankyou brother

 

[LevButlerov]

Yes I've cured the liver infection I had
next doctor's appointment isn't til 5th of January to discuss what I can do it could be due the medication I was taking but will no more when I speak to the doctor, would you have any recommendations.

You cured a liver infection, what was the infection? you have hepatitis which? and how did you cure? @Pagan

 

[Pagan]

You cured a liver infection, what was the infection? you have hepatitis which? and how did you cure? @Pagan

Hepatitis C infection which was cured with warfarin

 

[Pagan]

You cured a liver infection, what was the infection? you have hepatitis which? and how did you cure? @Pagan

Bloods after treatment

 

[ROIDDERS]

Thanks brother I no mass Gainer is shit I'll replace that and the smoothie is pretty loaded with Weet and bran are they good

yes, for sure, it's just not necessary. You can always get all your nutrition from real food.

 

[LevButlerov]

Bloods after treatment

Its better but what was the liver issue? @Pagan

 

[Pagan]

Its better but what was the liver issue? @Pagan

Just the hepatitis C infection

 

[Pagan]

Sorry lads I haven't logged in a couple of days just at mums with the kids for Xmas so no training and diet is all over the shop ATM I'll get back on track Monday

 

[LevButlerov]

Just the hepatitis C infection

you got it from sex or how? @Pagan

 

[LevButlerov]

Sorry lads I haven't logged in a couple of days just at mums with the kids for Xmas so no training and diet is all over the shop ATM I'll get back on track Monday

Merry Xmas waiting for you to be back

 

[Pagan]

you got it from sex or how? @Pagan

Fighting in jail

 

[Pagan]

Merry Xmas waiting for you to be back

Merry Christmas to you too brother

 

[LevButlerov]

Fighting in jail

I see.

How did you heal it? @Pagan interested in hep C healing process

 

[Pagan]

I see.

How did you heal it? @Pagan interested in hep C healing process

8 week treatment medication is called warfarin 3 tablets daily

 

[LevButlerov]

8 week treatment medication is called warfarin 3 tablets daily

nothing else? interesting

 

[Pagan]

No that was it bro than as I mentioned ran bpc157 2 weeks after treatment finished for 6 weeks to heal the liver fibrosis

 

[LevButlerov]

No that was it bro than as I mentioned ran bpc157 2 weeks after treatment finished for 6 weeks to heal the liver fibrosis

thats actually a good story you healed hepatitis C impressive @Pagan

 

[Pagan]

thats actually a good story you healed hepatitis C impressive @Pagan

Thanks brother

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks brother

EVO family support your way

 

[Pagan]

Daily log
Diet
6am cup of water,tablespoon ACV&psyllium husk
Omega-3, ashwagandha, probiotics
630am acai,wheat/bran 1scoop wpi smoothie (993cals)
900am 4 eggs on 4pieces toast (596 cals)
12pm 2 honey sandwiches (520 cals)
3pm cup of tea, protein bar & high fibre biscuits (522 cals)
6pm chicken pesto pasta (516cals)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt

Training
Chest shoulders and triceps
3 x incline dumbbell press 22.5 kg 12 reps
3x shoulder press 20kg 12 reps
3x weighted dips 15kg 10 reps
3x lateral raises 10 kg 10 reps
3x Rear delt kick backs 10 kgs 12 reps
3x front delt raises 10 kg 10 reps
3 x tricep extension 35 kg 10 reps superset with over head rope tricep extension 20 kg 8 reps
3x rope tricep extensions 20kg for 12 reps
High to low cable flys 20kg each side 12 reps dropset 17.5 kg for 10 reps
Low to high cable flys 12.5 kg for 12 reps dropset 10kg for 10 reps
Finish with body weight dips full ROM deep stretch 2 sets til failure

Cardio 30 min inclined treadmill moderate walking pace

 

[LevButlerov]

Daily log
Diet
6am cup of water,tablespoon ACV&psyllium husk
Omega-3, ashwagandha, probiotics
630am acai,wheat/bran 1scoop wpi smoothie (993cals)
900am 4 eggs on 4pieces toast (596 cals)
12pm 2 honey sandwiches (520 cals)
3pm cup of tea, protein bar & high fibre biscuits (522 cals)
6pm chicken pesto pasta (516cals)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt

Training
Chest shoulders and triceps
3 x incline dumbbell press 22.5 kg 12 reps
3x shoulder press 20kg 12 reps
3x weighted dips 15kg 10 reps
3x lateral raises 10 kg 10 reps
3x Rear delt kick backs 10 kgs 12 reps
3x front delt raises 10 kg 10 reps
3 x tricep extension 35 kg 10 reps superset with over head rope tricep extension 20 kg 8 reps
3x rope tricep extensions 20kg for 12 reps
High to low cable flys 20kg each side 12 reps dropset 17.5 kg for 10 reps
Low to high cable flys 12.5 kg for 12 reps dropset 10kg for 10 reps
Finish with body weight dips full ROM deep stretch 2 sets til failure

Cardio 30 min inclined treadmill moderate walking pace

2 honey sandwiches? how much protein did you add? @Pagan

reps need to go up with 15 reps

 

[Pagan]

Do you mean sets of 15

 

[LevButlerov]

Do you mean sets of 15

15-20 reps actually not sets

 

[Pagan]

Ok got it so hit the 15-20 rep range per set

 

[LevButlerov]

Ok got it so hit the 15-20 rep range per set

correct

 

[Pagan]

Daily log
Diet
6am cup of psyllium husk and ACV
630am multi vitamin, probiotics, omega 3, ashwagandha
Breakfast smoothie (993cals)
900am 2 eggs on toast (298cal)
12pm 2 peanut butter sandwiches (849cals)
3pm beef & salad wrap(459cal)
6pm 2 homemade hamburgers 5% fat mince beef (978cals)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188cals)

Training
Back and biceps
4x wide grip pull ups 10 reps
3x wide neutral grip pull downs 70 kg 15reps
3x seated rows 60 kg 15 reps
3x bent over rows neutral grip 60 kg 12 reps
2x upright rows 40kg 10 reps superset with Under hand grip bent over rows 10reps each
3x Straight bar bicep curls 30kg 12 reps superset with dumbbell bicep curls 12.5kg 10 reps
3x preacher curls 25kg ezcurl bar 15 reps
2x Chin ups 12 reps superset with cable rope hammer curls 20kg 15 reps
2x seated incline bicep curls 7.5 kg dumbbells 16reps
3 x face pulls 25kg 12 reps


Cardio 45 minutes incline treadmill moderate walking pace

 

[LevButlerov]

Daily log
Diet
6am cup of psyllium husk and ACV
630am multi vitamin, probiotics, omega 3, ashwagandha
Breakfast smoothie (993cals)
900am 2 eggs on toast (298cal)
12pm 2 peanut butter sandwiches (849cals)
3pm beef & salad wrap(459cal)
6pm 2 homemade hamburgers 5% fat mince beef (978cals)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188cals)

Training
Back and biceps
4x wide grip pull ups 10 reps
3x wide neutral grip pull downs 70 kg 15reps
3x seated rows 60 kg 15 reps
3x bent over rows neutral grip 60 kg 12 reps
2x upright rows 40kg 10 reps superset with Under hand grip bent over rows 10reps each
3x Straight bar bicep curls 30kg 12 reps superset with dumbbell bicep curls 12.5kg 10 reps
3x preacher curls 25kg ezcurl bar 15 reps
2x Chin ups 12 reps superset with cable rope hammer curls 20kg 15 reps
2x seated incline bicep curls 7.5 kg dumbbells 16reps
3 x face pulls 25kg 12 reps


Cardio 45 minutes incline treadmill moderate walking pace

Good day, but CUP of psyllium husk or tablespoon? @Pagan

and can you swap peanut butter with walnut butter? do you have the budget?


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[Allupfromhere]

Good day, but CUP of psyllium husk or tablespoon? @Pagan

and can you swap peanut butter with walnut butter? do you have the budget?


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@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
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Agree as well bro, even almond butter if he prefers the taste but walnuts are king.
What bread you having for your sandwiches brother? Sour dough might be a better option.

 

[R.AP]

Good day, but CUP of psyllium husk or tablespoon? @Pagan

and can you swap peanut butter with walnut butter? do you have the budget?


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@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

Walnut butter! What an idea!

 

[Pagan]

Good day, but CUP of psyllium husk or tablespoon? @Pagan

and can you swap peanut butter with walnut butter? do you have the budget?


@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

Sorry cup of water tablespoon of psyllium husk tablespoon of ACV mixed in
I have 30 min before breakfast lunch and dinner
I'll try both those options walnut and almond butter see which I prefer
Bread I use is wholemeal

 

[Pagan]

Daily log
Diet
6am cup of water tablespoon of psyllium husk and ACV
Multivitamin, Omega-3, probiotics, ashwagandha
630am breakfast smoothie (993cals)
10am 2 eggs on toast (298cals)
12pm psyllium husk and ACV vitamin C
1230pm chicken breast salad on sub roll(774cals)
4pm protein bar muesli bar(418cals)
Psyllium husk and ACV
6pm tuna bake (582cals)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188cals)

Training
Legs
4x seated leg press 1@ 160kg 12 reps,3@200kg 10reps
2 x lunges deep stretch 20 reps
4x hamstring curls 40 kg 16 reps
3 x Leg extension 60 kg 16 reps
Abs
3 x weighted crunches 20kg on decline bench 16 reps
3 x cable crunch machine 40 kg 20 reps
3x leg raises on decline bench 16 reps
1 min plank

 

[LevButlerov]

Sorry cup of water tablespoon of psyllium husk tablespoon of ACV mixed in
I have 30 min before breakfast lunch and dinner
I'll try both those options walnut and almond butter see which I prefer
Bread I use is wholemeal

dont mix ACV with psyllium husk better that way

 

[LevButlerov]

Daily log
Diet
6am cup of water tablespoon of psyllium husk and ACV
Multivitamin, Omega-3, probiotics, ashwagandha
630am breakfast smoothie (993cals)
10am 2 eggs on toast (298cals)
12pm psyllium husk and ACV vitamin C
1230pm chicken breast salad on sub roll(774cals)
4pm protein bar muesli bar(418cals)
Psyllium husk and ACV
6pm tuna bake (582cals)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188cals)

Training
Legs
4x seated leg press 1@ 160kg 12 reps,3@200kg 10reps
2 x lunges deep stretch 20 reps
4x hamstring curls 40 kg 16 reps
3 x Leg extension 60 kg 16 reps
Abs
3 x weighted crunches 20kg on decline bench 16 reps
3 x cable crunch machine 40 kg 20 reps
3x leg raises on decline bench 16 reps
1 min plank

good training any cardio today?

 

[R.AP]

Daily log
Diet
6am cup of water tablespoon of psyllium husk and ACV
Multivitamin, Omega-3, probiotics, ashwagandha
630am breakfast smoothie (993cals)
10am 2 eggs on toast (298cals)
12pm psyllium husk and ACV vitamin C
1230pm chicken breast salad on sub roll(774cals)
4pm protein bar muesli bar(418cals)
Psyllium husk and ACV
6pm tuna bake (582cals)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188cals)

Training
Legs
4x seated leg press 1@ 160kg 12 reps,3@200kg 10reps
2 x lunges deep stretch 20 reps
4x hamstring curls 40 kg 16 reps
3 x Leg extension 60 kg 16 reps
Abs
3 x weighted crunches 20kg on decline bench 16 reps
3 x cable crunch machine 40 kg 20 reps
3x leg raises on decline bench 16 reps
1 min plank

Hey brother is this a hamstring biased leg day? It's missing a quad dominant compound movement!

 

[Pagan]

dont mix ACV with psyllium husk better that way

Ok so have separate at different times or the same time roughly

 

[Pagan]

good training any cardio today?

No cardio but mowed the lawns takes me roughly 2 hours it fucked me more than the training session

 

[Pagan]

Hey brother is this a hamstring biased leg day? It's missing a quad dominant compound movement!

Not really no but have been doing a bit more hamstring work I don't know why I guess I'm a bit lost when it comes to leg day any suggestions

 

[LevButlerov]

No cardio but mowed the lawns takes me roughly 2 hours it fucked me more than the training session

thats a start

 

[Pagan]

Daily log (yesterday)
Chest shoulders triceps
Started hi rep training
3x incline dumbbell press 20kg (18,16,16)
3x shoulder press 17.5 kg (16,16,16)
3x body weight dips (20,18,16)
3x lateral raises 7.5kg (18,16,16)
3x Rear delt kickbacks 10kg ((16,16,16)
2x front raises 15kg bar (18,16)
3x Tricep pushdowns 30kg (16,16,16)
Superset
3x Tricep rope extensions 20kg (12,12,12)
3x overhead tricep extension 22.5kg (20,18,16)
Hi to low cable flys dropset 20kg@10,17.5kg@8,15kg@8
Low to high cable flys dropset 12.5kg@8 10kg@10,7.5kg@10
2x body weight dips full ROM deep stretch 12,10 reps

Cardio 1 hr walking moderate pace up the beach front

Diet
6am vitamins& dietary supplements (ACV , psyllium husk)
630am breakfast smoothie (993)
9am 2 eggs on toast (298)
ACV, psyllium husk
12pm chicken tomato Red onion on subroll (524)
3pm protein bar half a watermelon (410)
ACV, psyllium husk
6pm spaghetti Bolognese (574)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

 

[LevButlerov]

Daily log (yesterday)
Chest shoulders triceps
Started hi rep training
3x incline dumbbell press 20kg (18,16,16)
3x shoulder press 17.5 kg (16,16,16)
3x body weight dips (20,18,16)
3x lateral raises 7.5kg (18,16,16)
3x Rear delt kickbacks 10kg ((16,16,16)
2x front raises 15kg bar (18,16)
3x Tricep pushdowns 30kg (16,16,16)
Superset
3x Tricep rope extensions 20kg (12,12,12)
3x overhead tricep extension 22.5kg (20,18,16)
Hi to low cable flys dropset 20kg@10,17.5kg@8,15kg@8
Low to high cable flys dropset 12.5kg@8 10kg@10,7.5kg@10
2x body weight dips full ROM deep stretch 12,10 reps

Cardio 1 hr walking moderate pace up the beach front

Diet
6am vitamins& dietary supplements (ACV , psyllium husk)
630am breakfast smoothie (993)
9am 2 eggs on toast (298)
ACV, psyllium husk
12pm chicken tomato Red onion on subroll (524)
3pm protein bar half a watermelon (410)
ACV, psyllium husk
6pm spaghetti Bolognese (574)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

stable day I like the supersets on arms those are a win @Pagan happy new year!


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@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

 

[Pagan]

stable day I like the supersets on arms those are a win @Pagan happy new year!


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@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

Thanks brother for the advice I like the hi rep sets really gets the blood pumping just have a few things to adjust but was overall happy with how the workout felt

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks brother for the advice I like the hi rep sets really gets the blood pumping just have a few things to adjust but was overall happy with how the workout felt

perfect I love to hear a good pump story @Pagan

 

[Allupfromhere]

Thanks brother for the advice I like the hi rep sets really gets the blood pumping just have a few things to adjust but was overall happy with how the workout felt

perfect I love to hear a good pump story @Pagan

Nothing better then a full pump walking out bigger then when you walked in

 

[HarleyGuy]

8 week treatment medication is called warfarin 3 tablets daily

Never heard of this before. HepC is viral and warfarin is a blood thinner so might help liver markers. The BPC to help afterwards was a good call. This is a good anecdotal report, well done!

dont mix ACV with psyllium husk better that way

I've never asked this directly but what would be your direction on the order of psyllium husk, ACV, and probiotics around meals?
I've been now doing psyllium husk before meals, then probiotics (Digest Gold) after meals. I've been using ACV during my intermittent daily fasting

 

[Pagan]

Never heard of this before. HepC is viral and warfarin is a blood thinner so might help liver markers. The BPC to help afterwards was a good call. This is a good anecdotal report, well done!

I've never asked this directly but what would be your direction on the order of psyllium husk, ACV, and probiotics around meals?
I've been now doing psyllium husk before meals, then probiotics (Digest Gold) after meals. I've been using ACV during my intermittent daily fasting

Thanks brother
I would also like a bit of a run down on how to take and when kind regards

 

[Pagan]

Brother my apologies Im taking the kids to go see my dad for the week I'll post what training I get in during the week
Just thought I'd let you all know
Thanks lads happy new year to all

 

[Allupfromhere]

Brother my apologies Im taking the kids to go see my dad for the week I'll post what training I get in during the week
Just thought I'd let you all know
Thanks lads happy new year to all

Brother no need to apologise for being a father and being present for your kids, much respect for that King
Hope you guys enjoy the time with your old boy and do what you can when you can

 

[LevButlerov]

Brother my apologies Im taking the kids to go see my dad for the week I'll post what training I get in during the week
Just thought I'd let you all know
Thanks lads happy new year to all

best wishes for your dad and kids @Pagan

 

[Pagan]

Thankyou lads

 

[waggat]

Not really no but have been doing a bit more hamstring work I don't know why I guess I'm a bit lost when it comes to leg day any suggestions

I thought it was alright mate. You've got the leg press in there as a main quad exercise that's fine.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Thanks brother
I would also like a bit of a run down on how to take and when kind regards

I've always taken raw organic ACV (with mother) about a half hour before my meal with the psyllium husk. Then the digestive enzymes after the meal. That's how I'd run it if I were you it works for me that way. I've never been directed to take it that way but this just made the most sense to me. It works best if you are very consistent with it before each meal.

 

[Pagan]

I've always taken raw organic ACV (with mother) about a half hour before my meal with the psyllium husk. Then the digestive enzymes after the meal. That's how I'd run it if I were you it works for me that way. I've never been directed to take it that way but this just made the most sense to me. It works best if you are very consistent with it before each meal.

Thanks brother it's been good for me mixing the both together diluted in half a cup of water 30 min prior to breakfast lunch and dinner and probiotics with breakfast

 

[HarleyGuy]

Thanks brother it's been good for me mixing the both together diluted in half a cup of water 30 min prior to breakfast lunch and dinner and probiotics with breakfast

Perfects lets keep doing that!

 

[Pagan]

Back into it today lads
Diet
6am cup of water tablespoon of psyllium husk and ACV
630 multi vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha
Breakfast smoothie (993cals)
10am 2 eggs on toast (298)
1130am cup of water psyllium husk and ACV
12pm chicken and rice (517)
3pm peanut butter sandwich (412)
4pm protein bar (203)
Cup of water psyllium husk and ACV
6pm loin pork chops chips veg (535)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Chest shoulders triceps
3 x incline dumbbell press 20kg 18 reps
3x shoulder press 17.5kg 16 reps
3 x body weight dips 20 reps
3 x Lateral raises dropset 7.5kg@10,5kg@10
3x Rear delt kickbacks 10kg 16 reps
3 x tricep extensions 25kg 20 reps superset tricep rope extensions 12 reps
3 x overhead tricep extensions 20kg 18 reps
Hi to low cable flys dropset 20 kg@ 12,17.5@10,15kg@10
Low to high cable flys dropset 12.5kg @10, 10kg@8,7.5kg@8
Finish with 2x dips till failure

Cardio 45 minutes walking moderate pace

Felt good after having the week off

Aromasin arrives tomorrow
They are 12.5s how much should I dose and when should I be taking thanks brothers

 

[LevButlerov]

Back into it today lads
Diet
6am cup of water tablespoon of psyllium husk and ACV
630 multi vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha
Breakfast smoothie (993cals)
10am 2 eggs on toast (298)
1130am cup of water psyllium husk and ACV
12pm chicken and rice (517)
3pm peanut butter sandwich (412)
4pm protein bar (203)
Cup of water psyllium husk and ACV
6pm loin pork chops chips veg (535)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Chest shoulders triceps
3 x incline dumbbell press 20kg 18 reps
3x shoulder press 17.5kg 16 reps
3 x body weight dips 20 reps
3 x Lateral raises dropset 7.5kg@10,5kg@10
3x Rear delt kickbacks 10kg 16 reps
3 x tricep extensions 25kg 20 reps superset tricep rope extensions 12 reps
3 x overhead tricep extensions 20kg 18 reps
Hi to low cable flys dropset 20 kg@ 12,17.5@10,15kg@10
Low to high cable flys dropset 12.5kg @10, 10kg@8,7.5kg@8
Finish with 2x dips till failure

Cardio 45 minutes walking moderate pace

Felt good after having the week off

Aromasin arrives tomorrow
They are 12.5s how much should I dose and when should I be taking thanks brothers

training good volume and shoulder press is good keep it even to 20 reps and slow @Pagan
psyllium in there perfect!


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[Dreamer]

Back into it today lads
Diet
6am cup of water tablespoon of psyllium husk and ACV
630 multi vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha
Breakfast smoothie (993cals)
10am 2 eggs on toast (298)
1130am cup of water psyllium husk and ACV
12pm chicken and rice (517)
3pm peanut butter sandwich (412)
4pm protein bar (203)
Cup of water psyllium husk and ACV
6pm loin pork chops chips veg (535)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Chest shoulders triceps
3 x incline dumbbell press 20kg 18 reps
3x shoulder press 17.5kg 16 reps
3 x body weight dips 20 reps
3 x Lateral raises dropset 7.5kg@10,5kg@10
3x Rear delt kickbacks 10kg 16 reps
3 x tricep extensions 25kg 20 reps superset tricep rope extensions 12 reps
3 x overhead tricep extensions 20kg 18 reps
Hi to low cable flys dropset 20 kg@ 12,17.5@10,15kg@10
Low to high cable flys dropset 12.5kg @10, 10kg@8,7.5kg@8
Finish with 2x dips till failure

Cardio 45 minutes walking moderate pace

Felt good after having the week off

Aromasin arrives tomorrow
They are 12.5s how much should I dose and when should I be taking thanks brothers

Body weight dips are nice brother - if your getting 20 reps in - maybe add some weight.

What was your last e2 labs for aromasin?

 

[Allupfromhere]

Back into it today lads
Diet
6am cup of water tablespoon of psyllium husk and ACV
630 multi vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha
Breakfast smoothie (993cals)
10am 2 eggs on toast (298)
1130am cup of water psyllium husk and ACV
12pm chicken and rice (517)
3pm peanut butter sandwich (412)
4pm protein bar (203)
Cup of water psyllium husk and ACV
6pm loin pork chops chips veg (535)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Chest shoulders triceps
3 x incline dumbbell press 20kg 18 reps
3x shoulder press 17.5kg 16 reps
3 x body weight dips 20 reps
3 x Lateral raises dropset 7.5kg@10,5kg@10
3x Rear delt kickbacks 10kg 16 reps
3 x tricep extensions 25kg 20 reps superset tricep rope extensions 12 reps
3 x overhead tricep extensions 20kg 18 reps
Hi to low cable flys dropset 20 kg@ 12,17.5@10,15kg@10
Low to high cable flys dropset 12.5kg @10, 10kg@8,7.5kg@8
Finish with 2x dips till failure

Cardio 45 minutes walking moderate pace

Felt good after having the week off

Aromasin arrives tomorrow
They are 12.5s how much should I dose and when should I be taking thanks brothers

Hey brother nice work! Wheres your cycle currently at? And as @Dreamer mentioned whats bloods say about e2. Be worth a visit to gauge aromasin dose off bro.

 

[Pagan]

Start of week 6 lads e2 was at 246 just before Xmas should I get a fresh blood test or can you work out form that level

 

[Trenhead3cc]

Nice workout, and to finish with cardio is good!
As @Dreamer said would up the weight on a lot of these . Maybe give aiming for 12 reps max first set rep range.

It’s important to make sure movements are controlled tho.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Start of week 6 lads e2 was at 246 just before Xmas should I get a fresh blood test or can you work out form that level

Has test dose changed at all bro? If not 12.5mg twice a week should get you into a good range. No side effects from the high e2?

 

[Pagan]

Nice workout, and to finish with cardio is good!
As @Dreamer said would up the weight on a lot of these . Maybe give aiming for 12 reps max first set rep range.

It’s important to make sure movements are controlled tho.

Sorry I do my lifting in the morning and cardio in the afternoon when I take the kids to the gym
And I'll take your advice into my next week thanks brother much appreciated

 

[Pagan]

Has test dose changed at all bro? If not 12.5mg twice a week should get you into a good range. No side effects from the high e2?

No dose still the same and no sides so far have been monitoring daily
Last course I ran dose was a little higher (deca/test) I completely raw dogged it silly cunt I know but 12 weeks 500 test 300 deca no side effects come down was rough no pct but was lucky overall

 

[Allupfromhere]

No dose still the same and no sides so far have been monitoring daily
Last course I ran dose was a little higher (deca/test) I completely raw dogged it silly cunt I know but 12 weeks 500 test 300 deca no side effects come down was rough no pct but was lucky overall

Brother we all do dumb shit hahaha ive done plenty
Sorry bro i didnt see your actual current test dose. Judging off your levels are you around the 400mg mark roughly?

Even if you run 12.5mg aromasin m/w/f for 2 weeks then drop in back to twice a week.

I do feel that shooting for twice a week should be plently though. Especially if you not getting any side effects from e2 level.

Just remember we dont have to be exactly in given range for e2 when our test levels are elevated. High test and relative e2 without impacting sides is where you want to sit. Our bodies as males still need and do great things with estrogen.

 

[Allupfromhere]

This all got me thinking brother and apologies for not keeping up with your log in-depth. I move through a heap of them daily.

But lets bring this back a little.
Whats your current goals right now?
Lets ask ourselves why we need to make changes to the current situation before we aim to make one.

Where your currently sitting isnt far off the mark anyway. So before we bring in another drug to compensate. Do we need the current anabolic load?

Health, fat loss phase?

Why are we pushing gear now when all you’re doing is putting your body in a worse position to grow? Why not set your body up for the perfect growth phase?

Can we dial back anabolic load to be still sufficient and in return fine tune our e2 also?

Food for thought brother

 

[Pagan]

My current goal ATM is to pack on muscle mass so running deca test to help with that then will go to a cruise phase after seeing where bloods are at after 12 weeks on fat loss no a big issue don't carry much and can loose it quick when needed to.

 

[Pagan]

This all got me thinking brother and apologies for not keeping up with your log in-depth. I move through a heap of them daily.

But lets bring this back a little.
Whats your current goals right now?
Lets ask ourselves why we need to make changes to the current situation before we aim to make one.

Where your currently sitting isnt far off the mark anyway. So before we bring in another drug to compensate. Do we need the current anabolic load?

Health, fat loss phase?

Why are we pushing gear now when all you’re doing is putting your body in a worse position to grow? Why not set your body up for the perfect growth phase?

Can we dial back anabolic load to be still sufficient and in return fine tune our e2 also?

Food for thought brother

Sorry brother are you referring to lowering my doses to come in a better range so e2 shouldn't be an issue
Also not sure if it helps the test levels Are high in blood test as it was done around 2 hours after injection

 

[Pagan]

Daily log
Diet
6am cup of water psyllium husk and ACV
Vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha
630am breakfast smoothie (993)
9am 2 eggs on toast (298)
11am 4 piece's of Vegemite toast (578)
1230pm psyllium husk and ACV
1pm chicken breast with rice (524)
3 pm cup of tea protein bar fibre biscuits (398)
Psyllium husk and ACV
6pm scotch fillet chips veg (548)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Back biceps
3x close grip pull ups 16,14,12
3x wide neutral grip pull downs 70kg@16
3x seated cable row 60kg @16
3x bent over rows 45kg@15
3x upright rows 30kg @15
3x ez bar curls 25kg @18
3x alternating dumbbell curls 12.5kg @16
3x preacher curls 20kg @18
3x hammer curls 15kg@12
2 X chin ups 12 reps
3 x weighted back extension 38kg kettle @20

Cardio 20 min walking pace 20 min moderate jogging

 

[LevButlerov]

My current goal ATM is to pack on muscle mass so running deca test to help with that then will go to a cruise phase after seeing where bloods are at after 12 weeks on fat loss no a big issue don't carry much and can loose it quick when needed to.

good goals

 

[LevButlerov]

Daily log
Diet
6am cup of water psyllium husk and ACV
Vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha
630am breakfast smoothie (993)
9am 2 eggs on toast (298)
11am 4 piece's of Vegemite toast (578)
1230pm psyllium husk and ACV
1pm chicken breast with rice (524)
3 pm cup of tea protein bar fibre biscuits (398)
Psyllium husk and ACV
6pm scotch fillet chips veg (548)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Back biceps
3x close grip pull ups 16,14,12
3x wide neutral grip pull downs 70kg@16
3x seated cable row 60kg @16
3x bent over rows 45kg@15
3x upright rows 30kg @15
3x ez bar curls 25kg @18
3x alternating dumbbell curls 12.5kg @16
3x preacher curls 20kg @18
3x hammer curls 15kg@12
2 X chin ups 12 reps
3 x weighted back extension 38kg kettle @20

Cardio 20 min walking pace 20 min moderate jogging

you should need more protein and carbs if you want to pack on size @Pagan im assuming your chicken is 4-6oz etc regular food size

 

[Pagan]

you should need more protein and carbs if you want to pack on size @Pagan im assuming your chicken is 4-6oz etc regular food size

Correct regular size chicken breast around 300g (7-8 Oz ) and standard serving size of rice

 

[Pagan]

you should need more protein and carbs if you want to pack on size @Pagan im assuming your chicken is 4-6oz etc regular food size

I'll increase protein and carbs for both lunch and dinner meals

 

[Pagan]

This all got me thinking brother and apologies for not keeping up with your log in-depth. I move through a heap of them daily.

But lets bring this back a little.
Whats your current goals right now?
Lets ask ourselves why we need to make changes to the current situation before we aim to make one.

Where your currently sitting isnt far off the mark anyway. So before we bring in another drug to compensate. Do we need the current anabolic load?

Health, fat loss phase?

Why are we pushing gear now when all you’re doing is putting your body in a worse position to grow? Why not set your body up for the perfect growth phase?

Can we dial back anabolic load to be still sufficient and in return fine tune our e2 also?

Food for thought brother

I really like this advice any thoughts on what I should dial back to
I thinking I'm using 200 deca 400 test ATM if I dial back to 150 deca 300 test and get fresh bloods done after one week at the smaller dose see where I'm at maybe drop down slightly again if ranges are still a little high depending on what fresh bloods say

 

[LevButlerov]

I'll increase protein and carbs for both lunch and dinner meals

go for it

 

[Pagan]

Daily log
Diet
6am vitamins& dietary supplements (ACV , psyllium husk)
630am breakfast smoothie (993)
9am 2 eggs on toast (298)
ACV, psyllium husk
12pm chicken tomato Red onion on subroll (524)
3pm protein bar bowl of creamed rice (610)
ACV, psyllium husk
6pm spaghetti Bolognese (574)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Legs
4x seated leg press (200kg)
Weighted lunges (20kg)
3x leg curls (80kg)
3x hamstring curls (45kg)
3x Abductor (30kg) superset adductor (20kg)
Abs
3x weighted crunches on decline bench (20kg)
3x leg raises on decline bench
Finish with 2x 1 min planks

Cardio 45 minutes walking moderate pace

 

[Allupfromhere]

I really like this advice any thoughts on what I should dial back to
I thinking I'm using 200 deca 400 test ATM if I dial back to 150 deca 300 test and get fresh bloods done after one week at the smaller dose see where I'm at maybe drop down slightly again if ranges are still a little high depending on what fresh bloods say

Honestly brother my view would be to drip back a little and reassess bloods if e2 is back in range and markers are good you will be able to push for longer and allow more quality tissue to be built without forcing it with excessive load and food and potentially gaining too much fat.

Your on trt between cycles yeah bro?

If so then ideally you want to push a growth phase for as long as you can without jeopardising health. Dont try and bully your body into growing. Let it come as it can handle it then you dont have to chase conditioning at the end because you went too fast and gained too much fluff.

You dont want to switching between phases with extremities. Steady healthier transitions will help retain more muscle long term.

Bloods are you key indicators to see where health is always.

 

[LevButlerov]

Daily log
Diet
6am vitamins& dietary supplements (ACV , psyllium husk)
630am breakfast smoothie (993)
9am 2 eggs on toast (298)
ACV, psyllium husk
12pm chicken tomato Red onion on subroll (524)
3pm protein bar bowl of creamed rice (610)
ACV, psyllium husk
6pm spaghetti Bolognese (574)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Legs
4x seated leg press (200kg)
Weighted lunges (20kg)
3x leg curls (80kg)
3x hamstring curls (45kg)
3x Abductor (30kg) superset adductor (20kg)
Abs
3x weighted crunches on decline bench (20kg)
3x leg raises on decline bench
Finish with 2x 1 min planks

Cardio 45 minutes walking moderate pace

steady big 200kgs on the leg press @Pagan

 

[Pagan]

Honestly brother my view would be to drip back a little and reassess bloods if e2 is back in range and markers are good you will be able to push for longer and allow more quality tissue to be built without forcing it with excessive load and food and potentially gaining too much fat.

Your on trt between cycles yeah bro?

If so then ideally you want to push a growth phase for as long as you can without jeopardising health. Dont try and bully your body into growing. Let it come as it can handle it then you dont have to chase conditioning at the end because you went too fast and gained too much fluff.

You dont want to switching between phases with extremities. Steady healthier transitions will help retain more muscle long term.

Bloods are you key indicators to see where health is always.

Thankyou brother much appreciated for the solid advice I feel this will be the best way to build a sustainable blood panel for longevity so I'm dropping back over the next week than I'll get fresh bloods to see what's going on.
Yes I'll be running trt dose off cycle

 

[Pagan]

Daily log
Diet
6am psyllium husk and ACV multi vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha
630 breakfast smoothie (993cals)
9am 2 eggs on toast (298)
11am spaghetti Bolognese (524)
Psyllium husk and ACV
1pm tin tuna brown rice (440)
3pm cup of tea protein bar muesli bar (398)
530pm Psyllium husk and ACV
6pm butter chicken and rice (624)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Chest shoulders triceps
3 x incline dumbbell press 20kg 18 reps
3 x shoulder press 17.5 kg 16 reps
3 x weighted dips 10kg 16 reps
3 x lateral raises dropset 7.5kg@12,5kg@10
3 x tricep extensions 25kg @20 reps superset with rope cable pulldowns 15kg @12
Hi to low cable flys 20kg @10 dropset 17.5kg @8 15 kg@8
2xLow to hi cable flys 10 kg @18 reps
2 X body weight dips full ROM deep stretch for 10 slow reps

Cardio 30 min inclined treadmill moderate walking pace

 

[Allupfromhere]

Daily log
Diet
6am psyllium husk and ACV multi vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha
630 breakfast smoothie (993cals)
9am 2 eggs on toast (298)
11am spaghetti Bolognese (524)
Psyllium husk and ACV
1pm tin tuna brown rice (440)
3pm cup of tea protein bar muesli bar (398)
530pm Psyllium husk and ACV
6pm butter chicken and rice (624)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Chest shoulders triceps
3 x incline dumbbell press 20kg 18 reps
3 x shoulder press 17.5 kg 16 reps
3 x weighted dips 10kg 16 reps
3 x lateral raises dropset 7.5kg@12,5kg@10
3 x tricep extensions 25kg @20 reps superset with rope cable pulldowns 15kg @12
Hi to low cable flys 20kg @10 dropset 17.5kg @8 15 kg@8
2xLow to hi cable flys 10 kg @18 reps
2 X body weight dips full ROM deep stretch for 10 slow reps

Cardio 30 min inclined treadmill moderate walking pace

Nice brother
I fucking love the incline treadmill. Perfect to keep healthy, shred fat and stays low impact on your training

 

[LevButlerov]

Daily log
Diet
6am psyllium husk and ACV multi vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha
630 breakfast smoothie (993cals)
9am 2 eggs on toast (298)
11am spaghetti Bolognese (524)
Psyllium husk and ACV
1pm tin tuna brown rice (440)
3pm cup of tea protein bar muesli bar (398)
530pm Psyllium husk and ACV
6pm butter chicken and rice (624)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Chest shoulders triceps
3 x incline dumbbell press 20kg 18 reps
3 x shoulder press 17.5 kg 16 reps
3 x weighted dips 10kg 16 reps
3 x lateral raises dropset 7.5kg@12,5kg@10
3 x tricep extensions 25kg @20 reps superset with rope cable pulldowns 15kg @12
Hi to low cable flys 20kg @10 dropset 17.5kg @8 15 kg@8
2xLow to hi cable flys 10 kg @18 reps
2 X body weight dips full ROM deep stretch for 10 slow reps

Cardio 30 min inclined treadmill moderate walking pace

good shoulder press work, high volume @Pagan tight?
a lot of psyllium how is digestion?

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[Trenhead3cc]

If you’re not nursing some injuries,
Would like to see you up the weight to next level , 25kg incline and 20kg shoulder press

 

[waggat]

Daily log
Diet
6am psyllium husk and ACV multi vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha
630 breakfast smoothie (993cals)
9am 2 eggs on toast (298)
11am spaghetti Bolognese (524)
Psyllium husk and ACV
1pm tin tuna brown rice (440)
3pm cup of tea protein bar muesli bar (398)
530pm Psyllium husk and ACV
6pm butter chicken and rice (624)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Chest shoulders triceps
3 x incline dumbbell press 20kg 18 reps
3 x shoulder press 17.5 kg 16 reps
3 x weighted dips 10kg 16 reps
3 x lateral raises dropset 7.5kg@12,5kg@10
3 x tricep extensions 25kg @20 reps superset with rope cable pulldowns 15kg @12
Hi to low cable flys 20kg @10 dropset 17.5kg @8 15 kg@8
2xLow to hi cable flys 10 kg @18 reps
2 X body weight dips full ROM deep stretch for 10 slow reps

Cardio 30 min inclined treadmill moderate walking pace

Some good exercises in your push workout mate. Is cable pulldowns meant to be pushdowns?

I'd consider only doing one type of cable fly and one lot of dips (you list it as two exercises with weighted and BW). Otherwise it's 10 exercises which is quite a lot.

 

[Pagan]

good shoulder press work, high volume @Pagan tight?
a lot of psyllium how is digestion?

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@Trenhead3cc

Digestion has been good only have a teaspoon each serving

 

[Pagan]

Some good exercises in your push workout mate. Is cable pulldowns meant to be pushdowns?

I'd consider only doing one type of cable fly and one lot of dips (you list it as two exercises with weighted and BW). Otherwise it's 10 exercises which is quite a lot.

Yeah sorry rope cable pushdowns and I think I've been doing the extra volume towards end of workout to really exhaust the muscles

 

[LevButlerov]

Digestion has been good only have a teaspoon each serving

make sure you get water in there ed

 

[Pagan]

make sure you get water in there ed

I'm drinking better 6-8 litres a day depending on how active I've been and how much I've perspired is this enough it's been hot the last week and I feel like I'm not fully hydrated sometimes

 

[LevButlerov]

I'm drinking better 6-8 litres a day depending on how active I've been and how much I've perspired is this enough it's been hot the last week and I feel like I'm not fully hydrated sometimes

thats much better

 

[Pagan]

Daily log
Diet
6am vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha psyllium husk and ACV
630am breakfast smoothie (993)
9am 2 eggs on toast (418)
11am 2 piece of Vegemite toast (280)
Psyllium husk and ACV
1 pm chicken pesto pasta (516)
3 pm cup of tea protein bar muesli and fibre biscuits (498)
Psyllium husk and ACV
6pm loin pork chop chips and vegetables (460)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Chest shoulders triceps
3 x incline dumbbell press 22.5kg @ 16,18,16
3 x shoulder press 20kg @16
2 X weighted dips 15kg @ 16,14
3 x lateral raises dropset 7.5kg@12 5 kg@12
3x Tricep pushdowns 30kg@16 superset rope pushdowns 15 kg@14
3 x overhead tricep extension 22.5kg @16
Hi to low cable flys dropset 20kg @8,17.5kg@10,15kg@10
2 X front raises 20 kg plate @. 18,16
2 X body weight dips full ROM deep stretch @12 , 8

Cardio 45 minutes walking

 

[LevButlerov]

Daily log
Diet
6am vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha psyllium husk and ACV
630am breakfast smoothie (993)
9am 2 eggs on toast (418)
11am 2 piece of Vegemite toast (280)
Psyllium husk and ACV
1 pm chicken pesto pasta (516)
3 pm cup of tea protein bar muesli and fibre biscuits (498)
Psyllium husk and ACV
6pm loin pork chop chips and vegetables (460)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Chest shoulders triceps
3 x incline dumbbell press 22.5kg @ 16,18,16
3 x shoulder press 20kg @16
2 X weighted dips 15kg @ 16,14
3 x lateral raises dropset 7.5kg@12 5 kg@12
3x Tricep pushdowns 30kg@16 superset rope pushdowns 15 kg@14
3 x overhead tricep extension 22.5kg @16
Hi to low cable flys dropset 20kg @8,17.5kg@10,15kg@10
2 X front raises 20 kg plate @. 18,16
2 X body weight dips full ROM deep stretch @12 , 8

Cardio 45 minutes walking

Steady here lets add your ed weight here @Pagan

 

[stevesmi]

Daily log
Diet
6am vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha psyllium husk and ACV
630am breakfast smoothie (993)
9am 2 eggs on toast (418)
11am 2 piece of Vegemite toast (280)
Psyllium husk and ACV
1 pm chicken pesto pasta (516)
3 pm cup of tea protein bar muesli and fibre biscuits (498)
Psyllium husk and ACV
6pm loin pork chop chips and vegetables (460)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

Training
Chest shoulders triceps
3 x incline dumbbell press 22.5kg @ 16,18,16
3 x shoulder press 20kg @16
2 X weighted dips 15kg @ 16,14
3 x lateral raises dropset 7.5kg@12 5 kg@12
3x Tricep pushdowns 30kg@16 superset rope pushdowns 15 kg@14
3 x overhead tricep extension 22.5kg @16
Hi to low cable flys dropset 20kg @8,17.5kg@10,15kg@10
2 X front raises 20 kg plate @. 18,16
2 X body weight dips full ROM deep stretch @12 , 8

Cardio 45 minutes walking

@Pagan the diet is okay but you can definitely get it better. I would like to see more food prepping going on and more simplified meals.

 

[Pagan]

Steady here lets add your ed weight here @Pagan

Sorry brother do you mean post what I am weighing as in body weight daily on my profile post

 

[Pagan]

@Pagan the diet is okay but you can definitely get it better. I would like to see more food prepping going on and more simplified meals.

I'll try brother I'm so use to eating with the kids and what they eat and I do eat a lot of leftovers etc so I might have to dial my diet in by like you said meal preparation just for myself and still feed the kids food they enjoy as simplified foods will be better for me thanks brother

 

[LevButlerov]

Sorry brother do you mean post what I am weighing as in body weight daily on my profile post

with updates post your morning bodyweight if possible @Pagan

 

[Pagan]

with updates post your morning bodyweight if possible @Pagan

Easy brother

 

[Mobster]

6am vitamins Omega-3 probiotics ashwagandha psyllium husk and ACV
630am breakfast smoothie (993)
9am 2 eggs on toast (418)
11am 2 piece of Vegemite toast (280)
Psyllium husk and ACV
1 pm chicken pesto pasta (516)
3 pm cup of tea protein bar muesli and fibre biscuits (498)
Psyllium husk and ACV
6pm loin pork chop chips and vegetables (460)
9pm 2 serves of yoghurt (188)

I used to be that regimented lol