Approved Log 7UncleWong7 bodybuiding log

[CypherOCE]

And I can publicly apologise no hesitation.
It does throw doubt if you have no results anymore from the 18th December, 2 weeks ago.
I have asked another member to come forward to show screenshot as on the 24th Dec you said committing to SCS. But on 26th Dec saying you going to Odin labs and wanted gear sent asap.
(Ignore this accusation unless the user posts) I’m not outing him unless he wants to be involved.

I’m trying to look out for the integrity of the forum, the trusted vendors etc
I may not go about it the correct way . But so much shade and doubt has come my way.

If I am wrong on a lot of things , then for those things I will publicly apologise.

@Trenhead3cc is talking about me - I was under the impression Wong was swapping to Odin because of the testing via the first set of bloods.

See above photo ^

His wording gave the impression he had indeed swapped to Odin because of the test results. Seeing the new results of the iMedical test confirmed what we all knew in the first place. The first test was wrong and the second test confirmed that without a doubt.

Many users are confused and undoubtably upset because of the dispersions casted onto SCS. He had always been an outstanding operator, I myself have used his test 400 and the results were as expected. Not under dosed at all. Hence why there was a few of us questions the first results because we’ve used his gear and had absolutely zero issues with it.

Further to the above, the join dates, lack of photos, location of blood test being Adelaide it was thought he may of been an alt for TrenSetta who had been outcasted for scamming vendors.

Perhaps the gun was jumped but it was not without merit - many omissions or accidents or whatever you want to call them where stacking up.

Out of curiosity, they were dug into and more were found which has led us to where we are now.

 

[7UncleWong7]

@Trenhead3cc is talking about me - I was under the impression Wong was swapping to Odin because of the testing via the first set of bloods.

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See above photo ^

His wording gave the impression he had indeed swapped to Odin because of the test results. Seeing the new results of the iMedical test confirmed what we all knew in the first place. The first test was wrong and the second test confirmed that without a doubt.

Many users are confused and undoubtably upset because of the dispersions casted onto SCS. He had always been an outstanding operator, I myself have used his test 400 and the results were as expected. Not under dosed at all. Hence why there was a few of us questions the first results because we’ve used his gear and had absolutely zero issues with it.

Further to the above, the join dates, lack of photos, location of blood test being Adelaide it was thought he may of been an alt for TrenSetta who had been outcasted for scamming vendors.

Perhaps the gun was jumped but it was not without merit - many omissions or accidents or whatever you want to call them where stacking up.

Out of curiosity, they were dug into and more were found which has led us to where we are now.

Yes I was informed you were running his products and I was planning on being sponsored by him due to the first blood test I was going to cut ties with Sydney, but when he mentioned the second test I gave him the benefit of the doubt

I was planning on going to Odin after the first bloods but when Sydney offered the second blood test I thought he was owed that so I decided to stick it out and wait and see

Soley because I want to know what I am injecting was the reason for the desire to swap

I assume anyone running gear with a test result showing natural levels would want to swap to a lab with hplc results

In the end I told nobody it was scs I was sponsored by and I told Odin that I was sticking with scs as proven

I also have posted many pictures of myself and I again do not look like that tren setter bloke

 

[7UncleWong7]

@Trenhead3cc is talking about me - I was under the impression Wong was swapping to Odin because of the testing via the first set of bloods.

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See above photo ^

His wording gave the impression he had indeed swapped to Odin because of the test results. Seeing the new results of the iMedical test confirmed what we all knew in the first place. The first test was wrong and the second test confirmed that without a doubt.

Many users are confused and undoubtably upset because of the dispersions casted onto SCS. He had always been an outstanding operator, I myself have used his test 400 and the results were as expected. Not under dosed at all. Hence why there was a few of us questions the first results because we’ve used his gear and had absolutely zero issues with it.

Further to the above, the join dates, lack of photos, location of blood test being Adelaide it was thought he may of been an alt for TrenSetta who had been outcasted for scamming vendors.

Perhaps the gun was jumped but it was not without merit - many omissions or accidents or whatever you want to call them where stacking up.

Out of curiosity, they were dug into and more were found which has led us to where we are now.

And again not once in any forum post did I bad mouth SCS I always said in forums he had the benefit of the doubt with me and was owed that, hence I cut ties with Odin and stocked to scs which was the right thing to do

I did not message anyone else in regards to a sponsor other then Odin since scs had sponsored me

 

[7UncleWong7]

Also furthermore I have told many people to order from Sydney and never said a bad word about him

 

[Eveflorence]

It reads a lot like you were shopping around behind closed doors

 

[7UncleWong7]

It reads a lot like you were shopping around behind closed doors

I only messaged Odin, definitely not shopping around, that is definitely not a true assumption

You name me one person who got bloods done and when they showed natural levels of testosterone when blasting 800mg a week and decided to keep using that same product

I simply messaged 1 vendor I was recommended and informed him of what was happening and did not even mention the name of the vendor (AS I PROVED) out of sheer respect to Sydney

 

[7UncleWong7]

Also let’s take a minute to notice how upfront and honest I was with Odin labs in regards to him wanting to sponsor me @Npcclassicphysique champ @Pigsy

Definitely not a dog or untrustworthy

 

[Eveflorence]

Requesting "legitimate gear" from members and vendors, is in a matter of speaking, telling people that what you're using from SCS is crap, which yes is a form of slander believe it or not.
Then jumping on here saying calm down everybody SCS is a good guy, when all along you're going behind his back trying to score more gear from people.
You're right, blasting 800mg of test should've yielded a higher level than 42nmol. Then on 500mg you're test came back at 130ish. Do you really believe that first blood result was a lab error?

 

[7UncleWong7]

Requesting "legitimate gear" from members and vendors, is in a matter of speaking, telling people that what you're using from SCS is crap, which yes is a form of slander believe it or not.
Then jumping on here saying calm down everybody SCS is a good guy, when all along you're going behind his back trying to score more gear from people.
You're right, blasting 800mg of test should've yielded a higher level than 42nmol. Then on 500mg you're test came back at 130ish. Do you really believe that first blood result was a lab error?

I messaged that to cypher only and I was mad about the first bloods

And yes the lab fucked up becausr it should of been higher

 

[7UncleWong7]

I’m confused because I had publicly apologised based on how I acted and I also made it right with odin

I don’t know what else I have done wrong or could of done differently

I didint even tell Odin who the lab was I was running

 

[7UncleWong7]

Also based off the first bloods And test in anyone’s eyes, the test showed the gear to be under dosed at least and even someone else said the bloods show either the test was wrong or gear is underdosed

Bloods are all we have to go off without hplc so I dosing make a false claim, if the first bloods were accurate this would never of happened

 

[Eveflorence]

Yeah look it's not a vendetta against you, even though it might seem that way.
If I had poor bloods I'd be mad too, but I would talk to my sponsor first.
It wasn't solely about the bloods though. You went fishing to secure a deal with another vendor/s (note the plural), before you had even discussed the issue with your sponsor.
I'll shut up now and wish you well for your cycle.

 

[7UncleWong7]

I see your point bro I really do I am not mad at you either, your points are valid

I just seen that and assumed the worst and I admitted that to Sydney sand apologised for it

I want to stick with Sydney he’s a good guy, I really respect him

 

[Trenhead3cc]

I also want to be clear I don’t have a personal vendetta against you. I don’t even know you.
I just know I was around when @Sydneycitysupplements was trying to establish himself as a new vendor on here and was wrongly given a hard time over and over again by some veteran members who seem to have all vanished. It took Sydney ages to get treated fairly and earn some respect on Evo , Because of those said people . And having ran his Test done bloods and others I know have also ran his test and done bloods. All have had high opinions of him and his products. And then we had these bloods come back that made no sense to me whatsoever, was like 1/4 dose claims. That can hurt his reputation and we have that now resolved with new bloods. He then has had people burn him as loggers chasing free product. I am trying to look after the vendors in this case. We can now all agree @Sydneycitysupplements is a quality vendor. And as you know you are lucky to showcase his gear as he is lucky in return to have someone run their log in such a way to represent his products in a positive light.

 

[Sydneycitysupplements]

Scs put it wrong by 10 years, easy mistake when the numbers are right next to each other

1987 is my birth year

mate i made no mistake

 

[Sydneycitysupplements]

Scs put it wrong by 10 years, easy mistake when the numbers are right next to each other

1987 is my birth year

mate i made no mistake. i think we need to chat. this is not what i want for my brand.

 

[7UncleWong7]

My mistake then my Apologies, this keyboard does do a lot of spelling mistakes as most of my posts are misspelled

 

[LevButlerov]

I also want to be clear I don’t have a personal vendetta against you. I don’t even know you.
I just know I was around when @Sydneycitysupplements was trying to establish himself as a new vendor on here and was wrongly given a hard time over and over again by some veteran members who seem to have all vanished. It took Sydney ages to get treated fairly and earn some respect on Evo , Because of those said people . And having ran his Test done bloods and others I know have also ran his test and done bloods. All have had high opinions of him and his products. And then we had these bloods come back that made no sense to me whatsoever, was like 1/4 dose claims. That can hurt his reputation and we have that now resolved with new bloods. He then has had people burn him as loggers chasing free product. I am trying to look after the vendors in this case. We can now all agree @Sydneycitysupplements is a quality vendor. And as you know you are lucky to showcase his gear as he is lucky in return to have someone run their log in such a way to represent his products in a positive light.

I was shown this thread by other moderators. I actually know both users @TrenDsetter and @7UncleWong7 as loggers but don't know much about them in real life. I have no bias here at all.

I read back every page, every post, and also spoke to our IT admin. I think there is an issue here we should discuss openly.

 

[Trenhead3cc]

I was shown this thread by other moderators. I actually know both users @TrenDsetter and @7UncleWong7 as loggers but don't know much about them in real life. I have no bias here at all.

I read back every page, every post, and also spoke to our IT admin. I think there is an issue here we should discuss openly.

So there is a confirmation issue here with these two accounts? Or is that meant to say “I think if there is an issue here ?

 

[Trenhead3cc]

I hope they aren’t the same person. trendsetter name was mud with vendors
He left last day active is the same day Wong joined and came straight to Sydney for logging sponsorship knowing he was in need of a logger due to new rules set by Evo

 

[hypogaeum]

The bloods I got done the first time with a low reading cost me $80 just to see the dr

I’m not working at the moment so I can’t spend money on things but my children at the moment

I don’t understand why someone who can’t afford bloodwork would be leeching off vendors for freebies and not paying for anything.

 

[hypogaeum]

We you do Imedical, you can enter any name or date of birth. They don't check your ID when getting tested. This a prepaid blood test through the internet. I put my real age in to the blood work. As it show reference ranges suiting your age.

I use imedical, and I always get asked for my ID when I go to get the blood done. But I guess that could be a policy of the testing place that I mostly use, and may not be a rule that they all follow

 

[codezz]

I feel it's just like @7UncleWong7 was quick to deny him saying he did the input error with dates and as soon as @Sydneycitysupplements said it wasn't him he backed down and changed him tune straight away

Something fishy I think...

 

[Wheelhouse87]

Im 36 years old born in 1988 we dont have pre paid bloodwork in the states to my knowledge, every test you do even with a lab they have to verify your ID even if say a clinic or 3rd party ordered the testing, you still pay for it with your treatment included in the price or through your insurance, it must have your full name, dob, adress and you must prove it is you before taking the test with ID.

No ID check here bro.. I just did one through Imedical last week and just walk straight into Pathology and hand them the Imedical Referral (which you enter info yourself) they just walk you straight in and take the blood. No ID check

 

[Wheelhouse87]

I use imedical, and I always get asked for my ID when I go to get the blood done. But I guess that could be a policy of the testing place that I mostly use, and may not be a rule that they all follow

The only thing my pathology checks before i give blood is that they ask me my name, DOB, address etc and check it off the REFERRAL not my ID.. so if I was to enter false details on the referral I would have to make sure I said the false answers to the pathologist too whilst she is checking it off before taking the blood

 

[codezz]

The only thing my pathology checks before i give blood is that they ask me my name, DOB, address etc and check it off the REFERRAL not my ID.. so if I was to enter false details on the referral I would have to make sure I said the false answers to the pathologist too whilst she is checking it off before taking the blood

This is what I did when I got my bloods for Imedical aswell

 

[Pigsy]

I use imedical, and I always get asked for my ID when I go to get the blood done. But I guess that could be a policy of the testing place that I mostly use, and may not be a rule that they all follow

I've had over 15 blood test with imedical at different pathology never asked for ID

 

[Wheelhouse87]

This logs getting spicy

 

[hypogaeum]

I've had over 15 blood test with imedical at different pathology never asked for ID

Yeah, might just be the lady/ location that I always use. I go there the same day and same time, so usually end up with the same person.

 

[Wheelhouse87]

Yeah, might just be the lady/ location that I always use. I go there the same day and same time, so usually end up with the same person.

Is it with Laverty bro or a different one in a different state?
I'm in NSW so have to use laverty but maybe it's just Laverty's policy to just cross reference the Referral and not the ID

 

[hypogaeum]

Is it with Laverty bro or a different one in a different state?
I'm in NSW so have to use laverty but maybe it's just Laverty's policy to just cross reference the Referral and not the ID

Yeah with Laverty in NSW.

 

[CypherOCE]

mate i made no mistake. i think we need to chat. this is not what i want for my brand.

My mistake then my Apologies, this keyboard does do a lot of spelling mistakes as most of my posts are misspelled

@Eddie Haskell posts #317 and #318 on page 16.

 

[Wheelhouse87]

Yeah with Laverty in NSW.

Hahah my town must be too cruisey or just not care who's blood it is

 

[BigCheese2000]

Radio silence not a good look. Like @Trenhead3cc i have no skin in this and I don’t know this bloke, but the only solution is a morning fasted check in shot with name written on it. Blur face out to keep anonymous. If you’re competing for 15 years I would presume you’re well used to taking fasted check in shots. Again not an attack to make it clear to you and the mods. Just throwing my 2 cents in, gives Wong a chance to prove himself innocent. Cant argue with black and white

 

[Wheelhouse87]

I've got to say... I feel for @Sydneycitysupplements out of all this.
I understand that Wong got f@cked over with a bunk blood test but if you're an outsider reading the log post for post... it does come off negative towards SCS even if Wong had no intentions of malice.
A quick jump to conclusions in the post reflects on SCS and then the whole DOB thing saying SCS that he entered it wrong,which he didnt, doesn't sit right.

I've dealt with @Sydneycitysupplements as has many others and the guy is an absolute legend, great comms, great gear etc and the vendors these days have to jump through hoops to get credit and references so something like this can be pretty detrimental.

I supported Wong signing up with SCS and I truly hope this can get sorted for both parties just have to be a bit more careful in the future and respect the bond between Logger & Sponsor before the post gets put up in think.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

We are still in moderation mode, it will take us time to digest the situation as a team. If @Sydneycitysupplements is happy with the logger, it’s his call for now.

 

[hypogaeum]

I understand that Wong got f@cked over with a bunk blood test

How does that even happen though? Has anyone in Australia ever had their blood test get mixed up with someone else’s/ have an issue with the test?

Like this is their job, and you’d think they’d be liable for a good suing if they mixed results up??

 

[Coolguy]

Idk bro but sometime this shit happens thing is his test levels came back so fuck it almost looked like his test was taking it from his body

 

[Wheelhouse87]

How does that even happen though? Has anyone in Australia ever had their blood test get mixed up with someone else’s/ have an issue with the test?

Like this is their job, and you’d think they’d be liable for a good suing if they mixed results up??

True i haven't heard of it but maybe the pathology place just thought he was transitioning or something so it didn't raise a red flag you never know these days.
But yeah I would be absolutely roasting the pathology place and putting a formal complaint in if they got my blood results that messed up.

 

[LevButlerov]

So there is a confirmation issue here with these two accounts? Or is that meant to say “I think if there is an issue here ?

@Trenhead3cc I can neither deny or confirm the situation at this point. We are looking into it with more detail, IT team is doing a scan.

 

[Wheelhouse87]

Is uncle Wong still with us?

 

[codezz]

He's taken the gear and done a runner id say, a new profile being made soon....

 

[hypogaeum]

Is uncle Wong still with us?

Maybe something went… wong?

Ba dum tish

 

[Trenhead3cc]

@Trenhead3cc I can neither deny or confirm the situation at this point. We are looking into it with more detail, IT team is doing a scan.

I know what’s what , but look forward to the confirmation

 

[Wheelhouse87]

Ground control to Major Wong

 

[Wheelhouse87]

Sorry mate... had to.. hope you're all good

 

[ODINLABS]

@Trenhead3cc is talking about me - I was under the impression Wong was swapping to Odin because of the testing via the first set of bloods.

View attachment 67840

See above photo ^

His wording gave the impression he had indeed swapped to Odin because of the test results. Seeing the new results of the iMedical test confirmed what we all knew in the first place. The first test was wrong and the second test confirmed that without a doubt.

Many users are confused and undoubtably upset because of the dispersions casted onto SCS. He had always been an outstanding operator, I myself have used his test 400 and the results were as expected. Not under dosed at all. Hence why there was a few of us questions the first results because we’ve used his gear and had absolutely zero issues with it.

Further to the above, the join dates, lack of photos, location of blood test being Adelaide it was thought he may of been an alt for TrenSetta who had been outcasted for scamming vendors.

Perhaps the gun was jumped but it was not without merit - many omissions or accidents or whatever you want to call them where stacking up.

Out of curiosity, they were dug into and more were found which has led us to where we are now.

Incorrect I post express guys and offer regular and express to WA at own persons risk.
If anyone has any questions PM me or ask on my thread.
Also blood tests dont get mixed up just for clarity.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I just got CC into the modchat, @7UncleWong7 thats messed up what you doing bro!
EVO family is not all about this, you should have been honest.

 

[ODINLABS]

I just got CC into the modchat, @7UncleWong7 thats messed up what you doing bro!
EVO family is not all about this, you should have been honest.

Honesty is always Paramount

 

[Sydneycitysupplements]

Here's a revised version of your message:

I wanted to provide a quick update. This situation has been incredibly challenging for both me and my brand. I put in a tremendous amount of effort to endure the difficulties I faced back in June and July when I first started on Evo. I was finally gaining some momentum, and then this happened. I know the quality of my products, and anyone who has tried them can attest to that.

It’s disappointing that after just three days, @7UncleWong7 was given a loggers badge while I’ve been here for seven months without any progress in my position. The decision to award that badge seems to have been made without a thorough investigation. This has cost me thousands of dollars’ worth of gear and left me feeling embarrassed by someone over a test that likely wasn’t even theirs.

I even paid for a test that yielded the expected results. The full extent of the damage caused is still unclear, but I will remain positive and continue my journey on Evo, providing my products to those who appreciate them. I’m currently looking for two more loggers, so if there are any loggers who have received a loggers badge, please feel free to reach out.

 

[Trenhead3cc]

@Npcclassicphysique champ
He will not even see this unless he already has created a new alias to attempt to further leverage gear. It def is not cool to basically steal an identity to leverage gear from a quality vendor like @Sydneycitysupplements
I knew something was Wong from his 1st post.

I’m glad this has come to light before it did even further damage.

It’s a hard one to monitor and control from EVO
As @Sydneycitysupplements mentioned
More might need to be done to protect the labs from such an issue occurring , as the labs are also trying to get and keep active loggers to earn a trusted badge.
I love Evo and the friends I have made here, We obviously want to keep Evo as legitimate as possible. Maybe random requested body shot check-ins requests from mods and vendors with username on a piece of paper etc.

 

[Trenhead3cc]

also @Sydneycitysupplements is a top bloke and vendor and ran his test as mentioned as I know @CypherOCE did aswell and our bloods came back as expected.
Also plenty of great reviews on his thread.

anyone wanting to log his gear won’t be disappointed. And don’t be a dodgy prick , me and the boys will be watching haha.

 

[Sydneycitysupplements]

just to clear things up. one photo @7UncleWong7 the other @TrenDsetter. suburbs are next to each other. account made 30mins after trendsetter was found out.
then approved logger badge given not long after to uncle 7unclewong7.
just to be clear. neather @TrenDsetter or @7UncleWong7 have nothing to do with sydneycitysupplements as of now. Any other vendor who is asked to ship to or anywhere near these suburbs for a logger. be cautious. I know that fuckunclewong has been hitting up other vender today before all this. And i also know he is trying to run my brand into the ground. for what reason is beyond me. i did nothing but the right thing by the bloke. just a weasel who can’t afford to live without ripping off others. VENDORS BE WARNED.

 

[Sydneycitysupplements]

two addresses to be courteous of.

 

[hypogaeum]

I reckon vendors should be comfortable only sponsoring members that have logged a cycle before. So the member pays for their first cycle, logs it, and proves that they can do what needs to be done (including paying for gear, keeping nutrition and training on point), seeing a plan through to the end, getting bloodwork done, providing feedback, etc.

Otherwise there is likely to be more cases like this where a “newbie” (that is actually just a leach in disguise) is asking for free gear to “log” and then they disappear and the vendor is left high and dry.

 

[codezz]

I reckon vendors should be comfortable only sponsoring members that have logged a cycle before. So the member pays for their first cycle, logs it, and proves that they can do what needs to be done (including paying for gear, keeping nutrition and training on point), seeing a plan through to the end, getting bloodwork done, providing feedback, etc.

Otherwise there is likely to be more cases like this where a “newbie” (that is actually just a leach in disguise) is asking for free gear to “log” and then they disappear and the vendor is left high and dry.

I agree with this, I believe we should be looking out for the vendors and instead of them needing to get 'x' amount of loggers to get a badge, they should be allowed to have a smaller number providing that the loggers they do have do everything they have asked... blood work, workouts and the rest, otherwise we will more than likely see these leacher scumbags doing anything they can to get a VIP loggers badge and get 'x' amount of free gear,

I would also like to see people thank the guys on this post who took the time to actually call out this scumbag as they knew something wasn't right, they could smell a dirty rat, and if this isn't trendsetter then least they found another scammer,

Thank u @Trenhead3cc and @CypherOCE , if there is any others I'm sorry I've missed ya, but thank u!!

@Sydneycitysupplements I've only heard good things about u from alot of the boys onto here and I'm sure u will continue to thrive in the evo community,

If anyone knows of any decent loggers that have credibility let's help @Sydneycitysupplements as like i said i dnt think it's fair he should feel the pressure to have just anybody logging since he's had this scumbag for him

Cheers for my 2 cents

 

[Pigsy]

Honesty is always Paramount

Agree honesty and integrity is a must

 

[Wheelhouse87]

Like @hypogaeum mentioned. To weed out Snatch & Run accounts - maybe they have to have a log under their belt to qualify.
Bit hypocritical of me since I got sponsored on my first but I started my log unsponsored and paid for all my gear then was approached by Exodus Labs. Basically I had full intentions to log either way.

It's just a hard one for Labs as they need loggers but alot of validated/OG loggers are already being sponsored by Labs or in an Off cycle so their pickings can be slim for quality loggers.

As others have said, I have purchased off @Sydneycitysupplements and I only have praise for him and his Lab i feel sorry that this has happened to you mate - you didn't deserve it.

 

[hypogaeum]

I agree with this, I believe we should be looking out for the vendors and instead of them needing to get 'x' amount of loggers to get a badge, they should be allowed to have a smaller number providing that the loggers they do have do everything they have asked... blood work, workouts and the rest, otherwise we will more than likely see these leacher scumbags doing anything they can to get a VIP loggers badge and get 'x' amount of free gear,

Maybe something for the admin to think about would be a tiered logging system? Evo Logger as step one for the first log, and then as time goes on you get a verified Evo logger or experienced/ veteran evo logger badge which indicates multiple successful logs that have met all the required criteria which then become the pool that vendors look to if they want to sponsor athletes and help their brands? @LevButlerov, @Pigsy, maybe something to consider?

 

[Pigsy]

Like @hypogaeum mentioned. To weed out Snatch & Run accounts - maybe they have to have a log under their belt to qualify.
Bit hypocritical of me since I got sponsored on my first but I started my log unsponsored and paid for all my gear then was approached by Exodus Labs. Basically I had full intentions to log either way.

It's just a hard one for Labs as they need loggers but alot of validated/OG loggers are already being sponsored by Labs or in an Off cycle so their pickings can be slim for quality loggers.

As others have said, I have purchased off @Sydneycitysupplements and I only have praise for him and his Lab i feel sorry that this has happened to you mate - you didn't deserve it.

Unfortunately if that was the case, there's not enough loggers to Vendors. I understand what you saying is some just grab the gear and run. Maybe the whole logging thing needs a revamp.

 

[hypogaeum]

Unfortunately if that was the case, there's not enough loggers to Vendors. I understand what you saying is some just grab the gear and run. Maybe the whole logging thing needs a revamp.

Getting sponsored with gear is a privilege, not a right, and I reckon it needs to be earned. But vendors have a right to access good loggers and grow their brands (and Evo have made it a requirement to get verified as a vendor).

I think a revamp might be worth looking into. Could even be as simple as the vendor offers money back/ discount at the end of the cycle, provided all boxes have been ticked. Or the second cycle is provided free/ heavily discounted in return for logging the first cycle. But I reckon a tiered logging system, or a badge system, so that vendors can easily check how many logs have successfully been completed and we don't have this kind of thing happen as much.

 

[Pigsy]

What I saying is a present moment without new members logging. There is not enough loggers for all Vendors to get the Trusted Badge. I been helping some Vendors on here to find loggers for them.

 

[BigCheese2000]

What I saying is a present moment without new members logging. There is not enough loggers for all Vendors to get the Trusted Badge. I been helping some Vendors on here to find loggers for them.

Exactly it’s a bit of a catch 22, most people who log regularly here are already with someone, but vendors need to somewhat take a chance to get and keep their badge. Vendor could possibly send out enough for a month worth to protect themselves. Could also do a tier system like black and gold which you’re logging with @Pigsy. Seems a very shrewd way at going about it

 

[Wheelhouse87]

Unfortunately if that was the case, there's not enough loggers to Vendors. I understand what you saying is some just grab the gear and run. Maybe the whole logging thing needs a revamp.

My thoughts exactly Pigsy Re: amount of loggers.
Would be great if it worked but Labs are scratching at the best of times to get loggers to get their names out.
Low amount of loggers or the months in-between when people are off cycle means some new Labs could go weeks and weeks without loggers unfortunately

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Here's a revised version of your message:

I wanted to provide a quick update. This situation has been incredibly challenging for both me and my brand. I put in a tremendous amount of effort to endure the difficulties I faced back in June and July when I first started on Evo. I was finally gaining some momentum, and then this happened. I know the quality of my products, and anyone who has tried them can attest to that.

It’s disappointing that after just three days, @7UncleWong7 was given a loggers badge while I’ve been here for seven months without any progress in my position. The decision to award that badge seems to have been made without a thorough investigation. This has cost me thousands of dollars’ worth of gear and left me feeling embarrassed by someone over a test that likely wasn’t even theirs.

I even paid for a test that yielded the expected results. The full extent of the damage caused is still unclear, but I will remain positive and continue my journey on Evo, providing my products to those who appreciate them. I’m currently looking for two more loggers, so if there are any loggers who have received a loggers badge, please feel free to reach out.

@Sydneycitysupplements i dont know you bro and just got involved in this a bit back by accident so dont got a side here

sounds here like you saying EVO is at fault that you didnt vet your guys and check who they are?
you want us to vet every guy so you dont have to bro? wtf, sounds like a lot of complaining here
you're here free, we dont charge sources in AU to be here, its a privilege to be here, so do your own due diligence and work your loggers
everyone is a logger if they started a log, and if you want to vet your guys before you have them log for you, do it

its a toss up, some guys might be assholes and liars, like in real life, some are honest and legit like real life
maybe I misunderstood your post but i really dont like the way you put it bro at all

you realize we get like 1,700,000 visitors per month (i heard internal talk last year 25,000,000) on our communities and over 40 moderators bro so guys like 7uncle there can slip thru for sure and will keep doing it, thats life, sometimes you lose sometimes you win, shit happens
take this as a Win because some guys exposed him, shout out to @Trenhead3cc he opened this out so we can look and see the situation

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

What I saying is a present moment without new members logging. There is not enough loggers for all Vendors to get the Trusted Badge. I been helping some Vendors on here to find loggers for them.

My thoughts exactly Pigsy Re: amount of loggers.
Would be great if it worked but Labs are scratching at the best of times to get loggers to get their names out.
Low amount of loggers or the months in-between when people are off cycle means some new Labs could go weeks and weeks without loggers unfortunately

@Pigsy thats because vendors not trying hard to convert actual clients to loggers
they are looking for existing guys on EVO
if they talk to their clients and convert and provide support for each guy on cycles and push them a bit bro thats how you convert loggers
logs are GOOD for the individual doing them they change lives and physiques, create accountability and life changing always for most
if vendors spent the time with their clients more they can have unlimited loggers bro

 

[Wheelhouse87]

@Pigsy thats because vendors not trying hard to convert actual clients to loggers
they are looking for existing guys on EVO
if they talk to their clients and convert and provide support for each guy on cycles and push them a bit bro thats how you convert loggers
logs are GOOD for the individual doing them they change lives and physiques, create accountability and life changing always for most
if vendors spent the time with their clients more they can have unlimited loggers bro

I see where you're coming from bro and I agree.
I guess the unfortunate thing is that some of these guys like Wong/Tren can put all the smoke and mirrors in front of the vendor to just cash in on free gear but hey... it's a risk they have to take to be recognised although I'm sure SCS will change his protocol for loggers in the future which I would back 110%.
I'd like to think the main majority of us on here have big respect for eachother and a good Logger x Vendor bond.

Sorry to everyone for it playing out like this

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I see where you're coming from bro and I agree.
I guess the unfortunate thing is that some of these guys like Wong/Tren can put all the smoke and mirrors in front of the vendor to just cash in on free gear but hey... it's a risk they have to take to be recognised although I'm sure SCS will change his protocol for loggers in the future which I would back 110%.
I'd like to think the main majority of us on here have big respect for eachother and a good Logger x Vendor bond.

Sorry to everyone for it playing out like this

its always a risk bro but they gotta go out there talk to clients they have already coach them, provide customer support and convert them to loggers and supporters, it helps the clients and it helps them, they are not just selling gear they are selling a dream of a better body and life

the customers will change their life with accountability bro and suppliers will have loggers proving their gear is legit long term bro
i got no sides here at all, but im saying it how i see it

and for sure always 100% there will be scumbags and assholes and liars like in real life, i hate that shit bro but we cant do anything about human nature

 

[Wheelhouse87]

One thing right at the end that raised alarm bells for me is when Wong basically said he doesn't have any money at all to even get a blood test which tells me the fishing for free gear was purely because he couldn't afford it anyway.

 

[Wheelhouse87]

its always a risk bro but they gotta go out there talk to clients they have already coach them, provide customer support and convert them to loggers and supporters, it helps the clients and it helps them, they are not just selling gear they are selling a dream of a better body and life

the customers will change their life with accountability bro and suppliers will have loggers proving their gear is legit long term bro
i got no sides here at all, but im saying it how i see it

and for sure always 100% there will be scumbags and assholes and liars like in real life, i hate that shit bro but we cant do anything about human nature

Agree bro.. and there's always a few bad eggs in every bunch but it's minimal for the sheer amount of people on here compared to the few scumbags.
It's just good that members are actively watching out for our vendors and identifying these scumbags... thanks to @CypherOCE and @Trenhead3cc .

I personally think everyone should be logging if they can. My log has held me accountable for my gains. Not that I'm doing it for you guys but the help,support and brotherhood out of a log gives you the drive.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Agree bro.. and there's always a few bad eggs in every bunch but it's minimal for the sheer amount of people on here compared to the few scumbags.
It's just good that members are actively watching out for our vendors and identifying these scumbags... thanks to @CypherOCE and @Trenhead3cc .

I personally think everyone should be logging if they can. My log has held me accountable for my gains. Not that I'm doing it for you guys but the help,support and brotherhood out of a log gives you the drive.

you got our support and EVO family support brother always

 

[hypogaeum]

@Sydneycitysupplements i dont know you bro and just got involved in this a bit back by accident so dont got a side here

sounds here like you saying EVO is at fault that you didnt vet your guys and check who they are?
you want us to vet every guy so you dont have to bro? wtf, sounds like a lot of complaining here
you're here free, we dont charge sources in AU to be here, its a privilege to be here, so do your own due diligence and work your loggers
everyone is a logger if they started a log, and if you want to vet your guys before you have them log for you, do it

its a toss up, some guys might be assholes and liars, like in real life, some are honest and legit like real life
maybe I misunderstood your post but i really dont like the way you put it bro at all

you realize we get like 1,700,000 visitors per month (i heard internal talk last year 25,000,000) on our communities and over 40 moderators bro so guys like 7uncle there can slip thru for sure and will keep doing it, thats life, sometimes you lose sometimes you win, shit happens
take this as a Win because some guys exposed him, shout out to @Trenhead3cc he opened this out so we can look and see the situation

I think @Sydneycitysupplements is just frustrated (understandably) at the situation and is letting us know that he doesn't agree with what went down. He's done what we'd consider to be a good thing by gifting someone that came across as genuine gear with the best intentions (at a time when there was a review of Aussie sources happening) in the hope that his faith in @7UncleWong7 would be repaid and that he'd gain his approved source status a bit quicker/ easier.

With that blowing up, and the veiled hints at his gear not being legit, it puts him and his brand in a bad light. I don't think he's going at Evo in particular, just frustrated at the situation and how it happened.

Hopefully there are a few learns for both Evo and vendors here, and sponsors and vendors can move forward where everyone wins. I'd hate to see quality loggers lose out on access to good vendors because of a few bad apples, and if the process can be improved with the ideas and support of Evo, I'm sure we'll all benefit in the long run.

 

[hypogaeum]

 

[Coolguy]

I don't know about you but it seems if you just do your log you get sponsored anyway it doesn't make sense to snatch and run seems like a waste of time.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I’m going to officially announce something soon. Just making sure first.

 

[CypherOCE]

@Npcclassicphysique champ
He will not even see this unless he already has created a new alias to attempt to further leverage gear. It def is not cool to basically steal an identity to leverage gear from a quality vendor like @Sydneycitysupplements
I knew something was Wong from his 1st post.

I’m glad this has come to light before it did even further damage.

It’s a hard one to monitor and control from EVO
As @Sydneycitysupplements mentioned
More might need to be done to protect the labs from such an issue occurring , as the labs are also trying to get and keep active loggers to earn a trusted badge.
I love Evo and the friends I have made here, We obviously want to keep Evo as legitimate as possible. Maybe random requested body shot check-ins requests from mods and vendors with username on a piece of paper etc.

Can get behind the photo idea 110%

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I don't know about you but it seems if you just do your log you get sponsored anyway it doesn't make sense to snatch and run seems like a waste of time.

Exactly but there are so many bad apples in this world today. Sad to see how this log turned out.

 

[hypogaeum]

I’m going to officially announce something soon. Just making sure first.

How soon? I want my popcorn ready

 

[Eddie Haskell]

How soon? I want my popcorn ready

Soon I hope.

I need permission to do it because internal data involved. @Pigsy is aware of the situation so are other moderators.

 

[Pigsy]

Exactly it’s a bit of a catch 22, most people who log regularly here are already with someone, but vendors need to somewhat take a chance to get and keep their badge. Vendor could possibly send out enough for a month worth to protect themselves. Could also do a tier system like black and gold which you’re logging with @Pigsy. Seems a very shrewd way at going about it

I with @Liquid Gold Labs brother. We been working on this for months before launch. Getting in place loggers and product and customer service. We will have another couple of loggers starting with in the next few days.

So when when we launch had everything prepared

 

[ODINLABS]

This user approached me for free gear in exchange for logging and originally asking for 2 boxes of HGH t3/test/deca and a further 2 boxes a week in told him that isn't happening but will send him test and DECA.
After this he received and offered to pay because he was using SCL mentioned vendor. In said pay asap
He then re neged on that and said he would be exclusively logging for me under a different name and that he had spoken to Eddie.
Then I told him he can't log for me at all as I won't be allowed due to current circumstances currently awaiting on payment although I think this will be an exercise in futility.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

This user approached me for free gear in exchange for logging and originally asking for 2 boxes of HGH t3/test/deca and a further 2 boxes a week in told him that isn't happening but will send him test and DECA.
After this he received and offered to pay because he was using SCL mentioned vendor. In said pay asap
He then re neged on that and said he would be exclusively logging for me under a different name and that he had spoken to Eddie.
Then I told him he can't log for me at all as I won't be allowed due to current circumstances currently awaiting on payment although I think this will be an exercise in futility.

I can confirm @ODINLABS reached out to me about this, I told him to post this in public so it’s transparent.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

He then re neged on that and said he would be exclusively logging for me under a different name and that he had spoken to Eddie.

This makes it sound like he told me he was using a different name. You should redact that and do an update. Thats not what you told me in DMs.

@7UncleWong7 DMed me saying he wanted to switch to odin, he did NOT say he would do it under a different name.

This user approached me for free gear in exchange for logging and originally asking for 2 boxes of HGH t3/test/deca and a further 2 boxes a week in told him that isn't happening but will send him test and DECA.
After this he received and offered to pay because he was using SCL mentioned vendor. In said pay asap
He then re neged on that and said he would be exclusively logging for me under a different name and that he had spoken to Eddie.
Then I told him he can't log for me at all as I won't be allowed due to current circumstances currently awaiting on payment although I think this will be an exercise in futility.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

This makes it sound like he told me he was using a different name. You should redact that and do an update. Thats not what you told me in DMs.

@7UncleWong7 DMed me saying he wanted to switch to odin, he did NOT say he would do it under a different name.

My DM convo with @ODINLABS

Sent him around 350 dollars worth of gear also brother

Post it in the thread his log

 

[VitalGains]

As a new member of this forum, I find this log extremely disappointing. In life, I try to take everyone at face value; it’s the same courtesy I’d ask for myself. From what I’ve seen, SCS went out of his way to take this individual at face value and provided him with a product—a product backed by a brand and a vision. It’s clear SCS operates in an honest manner, and behind any good brand are not only the people but also the costs of doing business.

This is where my issue lies: this community member received products at no charge from a business that bears a financial burden. While I understand companies rely on “loggers” to build reputation and visibility in forums, it’s frustrating to see someone take these items for free and—based on the evidence—mislead multiple businesses about their intentions.

To me, this speaks to the concept of amor fati—the “love of fate”—which reminds us to strive to be our best selves, no matter what life brings. That’s why I joined this community: to become the best version of myself. It makes me angry when greed and dishonesty undermine that spirit. I wish SCS the best with his business, and I hope this member’s actions neither spread further nor discourage others from participating in an honest way. I can only hope we see no more of this in the future.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that ODINLABS also provided this user product.

 

[ODINLABS]

In sent him t3 /test e/ deca
He said he was talking to you about a name change ? I supplied photo to you via DM

 

[Eddie Haskell]

In sent him t3 /test e/ deca
He said he was talking to you about a name change ? I supplied photo to you via DM

Don’t dm post it in open and post my response to you. Nothing to hide here, we should expose @7UncleWong7 who is now banned.

 

[ODINLABS]

Ok

Don’t dm post it in open and post my response to you. Nothing to hide here, we should expose @7UncleWong7 who is now banned.

Will do

 

[ODINLABS]

Here the convo

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Don’t dm post it in open and post my response to you. Nothing to hide here, we should expose @7UncleWong7 who is now banned.

Here the convo

And here is my answer

I told him he can switch labs. Nothing in convo about usernames with him.
Never spoke to him about new accounts either.
You should have asked me if you saw he saying new accounts. Why didn’t you reach out? This is something you should have told me right away.
Should have been a red flag for you.

 

[Pigsy]

Here the convo

Thanks for sharing all

 

[Wheelhouse87]

Thanks for sharing @ODINLABS and it looks like you dodged a bullet brother!
The audacity on this bloke to hit you up for that much gear whilst he's still technically sponsored
And yes I read you screenshot of his message the same as you... looks like he was going to flake out on UncleWang username and start a new user name so no of us would know?

 

[ODINLABS]

Thanks for sharing @ODINLABS and it looks like you dodged a bullet brother!
The audacity on this bloke to hit you up for that much gear whilst he's still technically sponsored
And yes I read you screenshot of his message the same as you... looks like he was going to flake out on UncleWang username and start a new user name so no of us would know?

Yeah brother it seems so .
I also brought this to eddies attention as soon as I had some free time as i have my own things happening behind the scenes as we all do

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Yeah brother it seems so .
I also brought this to eddies attention as soon as I had some free time as i have my own things happening behind the scenes as we all do

Yes I only got this DM from you today. In future you should contact us right away as I answered you in the DM. Red flags like this should raise questions immediately.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/7unclewong7-bodybuiding-log.102035/post-1669905

 

[Trenhead3cc]

@Eddie Haskell is there a PI badge? (Private investigator) haha

my brother had his car stolen from out front of his house last year- no camera footage. Within just under 72hours I had the blokes name, address and video footage of him in the stolen car doing a burnout.

Always helpful to have friends on both sides

But what I want to know @Eddie Haskell is how protected are we as Evo users to come forward? i don’t want a time out/ ban as these have been handed out a lot lately . And also when I messaged @Npcclassicphysique champ I had more to share but wasn’t comfortable as how I got my information could get other users into trouble. And then was told to come forward etc. I could have ended it quicker but I thought to try and pick apart his story with D.O.B on bloods etc.

 

[Trenhead3cc]

Here the convo

Haha I love how he is called “HGH Hog”

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Here the convo

And here is my answer

Here was my DM convo with @7UncleWong7 in reply to the text by @ODINLABS
Dec 25, 2024 discussion:

Hey brother, after careful consideration and recommendation from a few evo members including * and CypherCeo I have decided to take up a sponsor with Odin Labs

Sydney city is a very unpredictable lab as there is no jano testing and all relies on faith and blood tests which only show mostly that testosterone is legitimate

I am competing in classic physique comps and need a reputable lab

I am uncertain if the orals or oils I am injecting and ingesting are legitimate or not

Odin has had a good chat with me and I believe for myself personally and my goals and ambitions I need a lab with proof of potency and legitimacy

I hope you understand my concerns and worries, but it is not something I can gamble on any more, I respect Sydney city supps and who is is as a vendor and man, but I need to take a different route

Regards
7UncleWong7

No issues, you can pick the vendor you log for

You should let Sydney know and announce in your log

[NAME redacted for privacy]

 

[Eddie Haskell]

@Eddie Haskell is there a PI badge? (Private investigator) haha

my brother had his car stolen from out front of his house last year- no camera footage. Within just under 72hours I had the blokes name, address and video footage of him in the stolen car doing a burnout.

Always helpful to have friends on both sides

But what I want to know @Eddie Haskell is how protected are we as Evo users to come forward? i don’t want a time out/ ban as these have been handed out a lot lately . And also when I messaged @Npcclassicphysique champ I had more to share but wasn’t comfortable as how I got my information could get other users into trouble. And then was told to come forward etc. I could have ended it quicker but I thought to try and pick apart his story with D.O.B on bloods etc.

@Trenhead3cc I think in communities this size, we can't start witch hunting because so many members are involved, but we should stay diligent. It's up to the suppliers how they vet their loggers and how they approach the situation. @Npcclassicphysique champ said it best here
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/7unclewong7-bodybuiding-log.102035/post-1669789

@Sydneycitysupplements i dont know you bro and just got involved in this a bit back by accident so dont got a side here

sounds here like you saying EVO is at fault that you didnt vet your guys and check who they are?
you want us to vet every guy so you dont have to bro? wtf, sounds like a lot of complaining here
you're here free, we dont charge sources in AU to be here, its a privilege to be here, so do your own due diligence and work your loggers
everyone is a logger if they started a log, and if you want to vet your guys before you have them log for you, do it

its a toss up, some guys might be assholes and liars, like in real life, some are honest and legit like real life
maybe I misunderstood your post but i really dont like the way you put it bro at all

you realize we get like 1,700,000 visitors per month (i heard internal talk last year 25,000,000) on our communities and over 40 moderators bro so guys like 7uncle there can slip thru for sure and will keep doing it, thats life, sometimes you lose sometimes you win, shit happens
take this as a Win because some guys exposed him, shout out to @Trenhead3cc he opened this out so we can look and see the situation

 

[Eddie Haskell]

OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:
@7UncleWong7 is the same user as @TrenDsetter

He is now labeled as a "reverse scammer" and banned. He is going into an auto ban list in the future.

We are exploring all options, including outing his personal information for this reverse scam.

 

[Trenhead3cc]

@Trenhead3cc I think in communities this size, we can't start witch hunting because so many members are involved, but we should stay diligent. It's up to the suppliers how they vet their loggers and how they approach the situation. @Npcclassicphysique champ said it best here
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/7unclewong7-bodybuiding-log.102035/post-1669789

Oh I can agree that people need to VET their own loggers . There just is some desperation from some vendors to make sure they get their trusted badge during their probation period.
I don’t want to argue the politics of it all. I love EVO I'm here every day and it keeps my mind occupied rather than Being on Sportsbet haha. Just feel for people who get screwed over in life.