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waggat said:
Workout from yesterday.

I think this is my new favourite day. Really love doing the lunges after hitting the hamstrings hard. And I found my old belt from my powerlifting days and used it for the final sets of SLDL's. Made a massive difference to the feel of stability.

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Oh and I've been trying a few different things to do as the final exercise for this day. Finally got around to trying hack squats. I can see why they are so popular now! They felt awesome. Now I'm wondering if I should make them my main exercise on quad dominant day instead of leg press.

20 min incline treadmill (will bump this to 25 now)

10 min yoga style stretching

16/10/25 - Legs


Lying leg curl (lb)
1xwarmup, 70x12, 85x11, 100x9

SLDL (kg)
Warmups, 70x12, 80x12, 90x12

Reverse lunge from step (kg each hand)
Warmup, 16x10, 24x10, 30x10

Hack squat (kg)
20x15, 40x12, 60x11

Calf machine (kg)
Warmup, 70x13, 90x13, 110x13

Dragon flags
2x12

Pallof press

20 min incline treadmill
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Nice looking belt bro! Bet she has seen a few lifts 🔥
Hacks are top tier for both quads and hams. Low foot position and drive through the ball of the foot for quads and high foot wide drop deep into the hole for full stretch and drive through the heels for hams/glutes 👊
 
waggat said:
Hey mate, yeah I have been using it for a few nights now and it seems to have mad a difference. All of those nights if I've woken up I got back to sleep. The doctor also prescribed me one with THC to try. Decided to have one last night before bed. Woke up 2 hours later pretty much smashed hey :ROFLMAO:. Probably should have had a better look at the dosing.
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Usually a very small amount of THC helps the CBD do a better job. The key is VERY small lol!
 
G-Merc 80 said:
I am seeing my GP next week to speak about CBD, how do you find it? I want it for sleep and anxiety.
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Hey @waggat did you see @G-Merc 80 question here? Sounds like he's wondering what he should say to his doc to get it prescribed.

How'd you get your doc to give it to you?
 
waggat said:
Workout from yesterday.

I think this is my new favourite day. Really love doing the lunges after hitting the hamstrings hard. And I found my old belt from my powerlifting days and used it for the final sets of SLDL's. Made a massive difference to the feel of stability.

View attachment 133368

Oh and I've been trying a few different things to do as the final exercise for this day. Finally got around to trying hack squats. I can see why they are so popular now! They felt awesome. Now I'm wondering if I should make them my main exercise on quad dominant day instead of leg press.

20 min incline treadmill (will bump this to 25 now)

10 min yoga style stretching

16/10/25 - Legs


Lying leg curl (lb)
1xwarmup, 70x12, 85x11, 100x9

SLDL (kg)
Warmups, 70x12, 80x12, 90x12

Reverse lunge from step (kg each hand)
Warmup, 16x10, 24x10, 30x10

Hack squat (kg)
20x15, 40x12, 60x11

Calf machine (kg)
Warmup, 70x13, 90x13, 110x13

Dragon flags
2x12

Pallof press

20 min incline treadmill
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Your excercise mix here is a lot bro. To have back squats, sldl, and reverse lunges all programmed in the same day is a lot. It's fine when you're keeping the weight low like this but as you progress this will be a killer day. May wanna consider dropping the lunges and throw in something like leg extensions instead to lower the systemic fatigue.

With this program above you would start with the hack squats or the sldls. I would lean hack squat definitely, but it could go either way. Usually you want your big compounds up top when you're fresh. But sldl, hack squats, and heavy lunges are 3 big compounds, so you see the dilemma.
 
waggat said:
Yeah I notice a big difference if I go under about 6.5 hours. If I have a few days in a row like that then I struggle. It's heaps better now though after the de-load and also using CBD oil.
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I actually saw something the other day about people who use the snooze button. They're losing 20 or 30 minutes of sleep by doing that. That sleep at the very end is the most important.
 
BeMe said:
Hey @waggat did you see @G-Merc 80 question here? Sounds like he's wondering what he should say to his doc to get it prescribed.

How'd you get your doc to give it to you?
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@BeMe I tried a really popular online clinic called Alternaleaf first. They knocked me back when I said sleep. The second place I said anxiety and sleep and it was easy as I've been prescribed Zoloft legitimately for anxiety. @G-Merc 80
 
BeMe said:
Your excercise mix here is a lot bro. To have back squats, sldl, and reverse lunges all programmed in the same day is a lot. It's fine when you're keeping the weight low like this but as you progress this will be a killer day. May wanna consider dropping the lunges and throw in something like leg extensions instead to lower the systemic fatigue.

With this program above you would start with the hack squats or the sldls. I would lean hack squat definitely, but it could go either way. Usually you want your big compounds up top when you're fresh. But sldl, hack squats, and heavy lunges are 3 big compounds, so you see the dilemma.
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@BeMe That day is meant to be hamstring dominant. I started with leg curls before SLDL's to try and lessen the weight I'll need on them. The reverse lunges I seems to feel in the hamstrings after those first two exercises. The hack squat at the end was to throw in a quad movement. I agree with being careful re overdoing it. That final exercise I will keep more high rep though.
 
waggat said:
@BeMe I tried a really popular online clinic called Alternaleaf first. They knocked me back when I said sleep. The second place I said anxiety and sleep and it was easy as I've been prescribed Zoloft legitimately for anxiety. @G-Merc 80
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Im on Citalopram for anxiety and OCD, which is night and day better since being on TRT but still shows its ugly head just not to the point I fall down that hole of thinking im done.
 
waggat said:
I was really close to it hey. I used to smoke a lot when I was young. I reckon since giving up it hits me harder than normal people.
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Best not to smoke if you can :D
 
2Thick said:
I actually saw something the other day about people who use the snooze button. They're losing 20 or 30 minutes of sleep by doing that. That sleep at the very end is the most important.
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Yea it really is. You're in deep rem at that point. The snooze button is bad. Alarm goes off jump outta bed like you're being shot at. You'll wake up everytime
 
waggat said:
@BeMe That day is meant to be hamstring dominant. I started with leg curls before SLDL's to try and lessen the weight I'll need on them. The reverse lunges I seems to feel in the hamstrings after those first two exercises. The hack squat at the end was to throw in a quad movement. I agree with being careful re overdoing it. That final exercise I will keep more high rep though.
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Oh ok, looks like a typical leg day to me bro. The lunges are meant to hit glutes or quads depending how you position your torso.

Does your gym have a GHD? If you wanna hit hammies that's what you wanna do.
 
G-Merc 80 said:
Im on Citalopram for anxiety and OCD, which is night and day better since being on TRT but still shows its ugly head just not to the point I fall down that hole of thinking im done.
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Sounds like you're good to go bro. Just do like @waggat and you'll get your script for sure. CBD with a little bit of THC in it is actually better than just CBD. You shouldn't get high from it. Just a small amount of THC. They work synergistically.
 
waggat said:
Yeah that was when I was young, maybe 20+ years ago.
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yes I was a huge alcoholic before, for many years, dry for many years now too :D I am in the same boat @waggat
 
BeMe said:
Oh ok, looks like a typical leg day to me bro. The lunges are meant to hit glutes or quads depending how you position your torso.

Does your gym have a GHD? If you wanna hit hammies that's what you wanna do.
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Yeah it does actually. It's not the best but it's serviceable. Used to do GHR's a bit when powerlifting.
 
Food yesterday.

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Dinner last night was fish and veggies. One piece of salmon and then some Hoki.

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Workout today was ok but may have been affected by accidentally having too much of the THC gummy last night.

25 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

25/10/25 - Push

HS incline press (kg each side)
Warmups, 27.5x11, 32.5x10, 37.5x9

Db bench press (kg each)
25x12, 30x10, 35x9

Db lateral raise bent arm (kg each)
Warmup, 10x12, 12.5x10, 15x10

Cable lateral (kg)
5x11, 6.25x10

Rope tricep pushdown (kg)
17.5x14, 22x13, 25.5x12

PJR pullover (kg)
25x13, 30x12, 35x11

External rotations

25 min incline treadmill
 
waggat said:
Workout today was ok but may have been affected by accidentally having too much of the THC gummy last night.

25 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

25/10/25 - Push

HS incline press (kg each side)
Warmups, 27.5x11, 32.5x10, 37.5x9

Db bench press (kg each)
25x12, 30x10, 35x9

Db lateral raise bent arm (kg each)
Warmup, 10x12, 12.5x10, 15x10

Cable lateral (kg)
5x11, 6.25x10

Rope tricep pushdown (kg)
17.5x14, 22x13, 25.5x12

PJR pullover (kg)
25x13, 30x12, 35x11

External rotations

25 min incline treadmill
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Don't worry bro. THC the night before won't effect you the next day. Probably a placebo effect messing with your head.
 
waggat said:
Food yesterday.

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Dinner last night was fish and veggies. One piece of salmon and then some Hoki.

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waggat said:
Workout today was ok but may have been affected by accidentally having too much of the THC gummy last night.

25 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

25/10/25 - Push

HS incline press (kg each side)
Warmups, 27.5x11, 32.5x10, 37.5x9

Db bench press (kg each)
25x12, 30x10, 35x9

Db lateral raise bent arm (kg each)
Warmup, 10x12, 12.5x10, 15x10

Cable lateral (kg)
5x11, 6.25x10

Rope tricep pushdown (kg)
17.5x14, 22x13, 25.5x12

PJR pullover (kg)
25x13, 30x12, 35x11

External rotations

25 min incline treadmill
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waggat said:
Food yesterday.

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Dinner was steak and salad.

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Both days food looks amazing, like chef level pics :D seriously delicious! you're a pro!
steak was the win for me
 
waggat said:
Off day today. Did the following.

5 min incline treadmill warmup

10 min yoga style stretching

45 min incline treadmill
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Still getting something done on the rest days makes the difference brother 🔥
 
waggat said:
Weight for the past two weeks has been pretty steady. Wondering if I should drop carbs slightly. Will take progress pics tomorrow as it's a rest day.

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my weight has been pretty steady the last 3 months i have about a 6 pound window I fluctuate between. I’ve had made a lot of progress in the recomp department. If you do decide to cut out the carbs i would probably kick up your protein some. Since listening to Lev and eating the protein that he told me too my fat has been steadily melting off. I did cut carbs to around 100 a day on workout days and “less than 40 on non workout days and lost some water weight and that definitely gave me a leaner appearance. You are making good progress keep it up
 
waggat said:
Off day today. Did the following.

5 min incline treadmill warmup

10 min yoga style stretching

45 min incline treadmill
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Good rest day :D
 
waggat said:
Thanks mate. So easy with these pre made salads hey. I just get one for a base and add anything I want to it.
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Make sure you wash the shit outta that premade stuff. When there's bacteria outbreaks those premade salads are always the number 1 culprit up here.
 
Workout yesterday.

Was good without being great. The weights didn't feel heavy but I wasn't exactly keen to do more like when you're feeling on.

25 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

27/10/25 - Pull day

Straight arm pull down with rope (kg)
Warmup, 17.5x12, 22.5x11, 25x9

Tbar row (kg excl bar)
Warmup, 35x12, 45x11, 55x10, 60x9

HS One arm iso row (kg each side)
Warmup, 50x11, 60x10, 70x9

Incline bench rear delt (kg each)
6x12, 7x12, 8x10
Partials
12.5x15, 15x13

Hammer curl (kg each)
Warmups, 15x12, 17.5x9

Preacher curl machine (kg)
Warmup, 25x12, 30x10

25 min incline treadmill
 
waggat said:
Workout yesterday.

Was good without being great. The weights didn't feel heavy but I wasn't exactly keen to do more like when you're feeling on.

25 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

27/10/25 - Pull day

Straight arm pull down with rope (kg)
Warmup, 17.5x12, 22.5x11, 25x9

Tbar row (kg excl bar)
Warmup, 35x12, 45x11, 55x10, 60x9

HS One arm iso row (kg each side)
Warmup, 50x11, 60x10, 70x9

Incline bench rear delt (kg each)
6x12, 7x12, 8x10
Partials
12.5x15, 15x13

Hammer curl (kg each)
Warmups, 15x12, 17.5x9

Preacher curl machine (kg)
Warmup, 25x12, 30x10

25 min incline treadmill
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training is good today on pull :D need some pull ups if you can @waggat
waggat said:
Food yesterday.

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Dinner was butter chicken.

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beautiful food actual beauty! love it every time I check
@Yuri you got a competitor
 
LevButlerov said:
Thats fine but that dose of eq is on the bloods right? might need to up it @waggat
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@LevButlerov Yes bloods done two weeks after starting EQ. I'll go all the way to 1:1 (375 each) and I'll get new bloods in two weeks. I'm stopping Nolvadex today. Could that have falsely lowered E2?
 
waggat said:
@LevButlerov Yes bloods done two weeks after starting EQ. I'll go all the way to 1:1 (375 each) and I'll get new bloods in two weeks. I'm stopping Nolvadex today. Could that have falsely lowered E2?
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It's possible, but I would cut the tamoxifen and stay on EQ for now same dose before we retest. @waggat
 
waggat said:
Yeah it's a bit of a hit with the family. Pretty easy to make as well. Got it from Recipetin Eats, one pan butter chicken. Basically chuck it all in a pan and bake in oven.
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bros you an expert on the cooking now. should open up your own restaurant. would be smash hit! @waggat
 
waggat said:
Decided to get bloods done last week.

So this is two weeks after starting the following:

Test E 375mg/week
EQ 320mg/week
Anavar 30mg/day

Note that I stopped AI but have been taking Nolvadex for possible gyno (I really can't tell if there is new stuff there due to existing gyno from youth).

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@waggat that is becoming a very popular cycle. What you're doing the testosterone equipoise and anavar. I'm seeing more and more people stacking that it's very good.
 
ROIDDERS said:
@waggat that is becoming a very popular cycle. What you're doing the testosterone equipoise and anavar. I'm seeing more and more people stacking that it's very good.
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The plan was originally just test E at 450-500 but I needed a lot of AI to control E2. Thought I would try EQ with @PharmabolicsOz helping out.
 
waggat said:
The recipe says to use ghee (that's clarified butter right). I just use normal butter.
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Yea that's clarified butter. It's tough and risky to make. It can go bad real quick. Smarter to do what you did for sure
 
waggat said:
Weight for the last month.

Was holding steady at 97-98kg. For some reason it has fallen significantly in the last week. Will give it a bit longer before potentially readjusting.

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When you train hard and eat right you can easily recomp, aka build muscle and drop bodyfat so the weight wont move much @waggat
 
LevButlerov said:
When you train hard and eat right you can easily recomp, aka build muscle and drop bodyfat so the weight wont move much @waggat
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@LevButlerov Yeah that's what I was expecting (minimal movement due to recomp) so was surprised with the drop recently. I think it's not enough to act on though. Will hold the macros steady for at least another week and see. Just don't want to lose fat too quickly and potentially sacrifice muscle gain.
 
waggat said:
@LevButlerov Yeah that's what I was expecting (minimal movement due to recomp) so was surprised with the drop recently. I think it's not enough to act on though. Will hold the macros steady for at least another week and see. Just don't want to lose fat too quickly and potentially sacrifice muscle gain.
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hold macros steady you're doing well now, stay positive :D @waggat
 
Workout from yesterday.

Glad I made the decision to replace leg press with hack squats for my primary quad exercise. Really felt it today.

25 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

28/10/25 - Legs

Leg extension (kg)
warmups, 82x13, 96x12, 110x11

Hack squat (kg)
1xwarmup, 40x11, 60x9, 80x8

Walking lunges (kg each hand)
16x12, 22x11

Back extension (kg)
Warmup, 20x14, 30x13

Machine leg press calf (lb)
Warmups, 270x12, 330x11, 380x10

Dead bugs
Planks
Barbell woodchop

25 min incline treadmill
 
waggat said:
Workout from yesterday.

Glad I made the decision to replace leg press with hack squats for my primary quad exercise. Really felt it today.

25 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

28/10/25 - Legs

Leg extension (kg)
warmups, 82x13, 96x12, 110x11

Hack squat (kg)
1xwarmup, 40x11, 60x9, 80x8

Walking lunges (kg each hand)
16x12, 22x11

Back extension (kg)
Warmup, 20x14, 30x13

Machine leg press calf (lb)
Warmups, 270x12, 330x11, 380x10

Dead bugs
Planks
Barbell woodchop

25 min incline treadmill
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Killa leg workout bro 💪🏽 how are your legs feeling today.
 
waggat said:
Workout from yesterday.

Glad I made the decision to replace leg press with hack squats for my primary quad exercise. Really felt it today.

25 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

28/10/25 - Legs

Leg extension (kg)
warmups, 82x13, 96x12, 110x11

Hack squat (kg)
1xwarmup, 40x11, 60x9, 80x8

Walking lunges (kg each hand)
16x12, 22x11

Back extension (kg)
Warmup, 20x14, 30x13

Machine leg press calf (lb)
Warmups, 270x12, 330x11, 380x10

Dead bugs
Planks
Barbell woodchop

25 min incline treadmill
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Good leg day, 80kg hacks and walking lunges at 22kg hit quads perfectly. Smart move swapping hack squats for leg press, much better tension.

waggat said:
Food yesterday.

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Dinner was salmon and hoki with veggies.

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Beautiful food again @waggat I told @Yuri you're going to destroy his beautiful food placing :D
 
waggat said:
Workout from yesterday.

Glad I made the decision to replace leg press with hack squats for my primary quad exercise. Really felt it today.

25 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

28/10/25 - Legs

Leg extension (kg)
warmups, 82x13, 96x12, 110x11

Hack squat (kg)
1xwarmup, 40x11, 60x9, 80x8

Walking lunges (kg each hand)
16x12, 22x11

Back extension (kg)
Warmup, 20x14, 30x13

Machine leg press calf (lb)
Warmups, 270x12, 330x11, 380x10

Dead bugs
Planks
Barbell woodchop

25 min incline treadmill
Click to expand...
Yeah the hack squats and abs 💪💰
 
waggat said:
Workout from yesterday.

Glad I made the decision to replace leg press with hack squats for my primary quad exercise. Really felt it today.

25 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

28/10/25 - Legs

Leg extension (kg)
warmups, 82x13, 96x12, 110x11

Hack squat (kg)
1xwarmup, 40x11, 60x9, 80x8

Walking lunges (kg each hand)
16x12, 22x11

Back extension (kg)
Warmup, 20x14, 30x13

Machine leg press calf (lb)
Warmups, 270x12, 330x11, 380x10

Dead bugs
Planks
Barbell woodchop

25 min incline treadmill
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Solid workout! Hack squats definitely hit different than leg press. Those walking lunges are brutal too. 💪

How’s the incline treadmill feel for recovery after all that?
 
PharmabolicsOz said:
Solid workout! Hack squats definitely hit different than leg press. Those walking lunges are brutal too. 💪

How’s the incline treadmill feel for recovery after all that?
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Thanks mate. Yeah I reckon it helps get a bit of blood flowing through the area. After the hamstring dominant leg day I find it particularly good.
 
waggat said:
@LevButlerov Yeah that's what I was expecting (minimal movement due to recomp) so was surprised with the drop recently. I think it's not enough to act on though. Will hold the macros steady for at least another week and see. Just don't want to lose fat too quickly and potentially sacrifice muscle gain.
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Just hold the line brother for 1-2 weeks before you make changes, it can be tricky.
I had a huge drop at the start, do to crushed e2, kept to the game plan, lost some more weight - around 5kg in 5 weeks and now im up 3kg but still just as lean but fuller. If your training like a mad man and eating clean like you clearly are plus peds you can def recomp so dont worry too much about losing muscle because of a short term drop.. if your strength is retaining or moving up just play on brother 👊
 
Allupfromhere said:
Just hold the line brother for 1-2 weeks before you make changes, it can be tricky.
I had a huge drop at the start, do to crushed e2, kept to the game plan, lost some more weight - around 5kg in 5 weeks and now im up 3kg but still just as lean but fuller. If your training like a mad man and eating clean like you clearly are plus peds you can def recomp so dont worry too much about losing muscle because of a short term drop.. if your strength is retaining or moving up just play on brother 👊
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Sounds good mate thanks!
 
BeMe said:
He's an Aussie bro. They don't have native Americans there haha.

That got Aboriginies
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the natives are all over America. we have reservations
 
Workout yesterday.

Felt pretty good. Managed to get in some good volume near the top set weight.

25 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

29/10/25 - Push

Incline BB press (kg)
Warmup, 45x10, 52.5x9, 60x8, 67.5x7

Machine fly (lb)
Warmup, 125x13, 145x11, 155x9

Db lateral - straight arm (kg each side)
Warmup, 10 x 11, 12.5 x 10, 15x9

Db shoulder press (kg db's)
Warmup, 17.5 x 11, 22.5 x 10, 27.5x9

Cable pushdown (kg)
Warmup, 25.5x13, 30.5 x 12, 35x11

Close grip smith (kg +bar)
Warmup, 60x 10, 72.5x 9

25 min incline treadmill
 
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