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Approved Log Test Eq HGH Retatrutide Cycle Journal with UGL OZ

A lot of peptides, you can’t really tell you took them right away. Some you can. Like the ones that cause flushing. VIP peptide. You know for sure you just pinned that because you turn red lol. GH I’ve done IM and subq. I can’t tell the difference. When I pin I just stab it. I dont like trying to judge depth or pinch or anything. Sometimes my subq shots get a little irritated, so I just stopped doing it. There’s so much nuance. Most of the stuff I think, you get it in there it’s going to work
You just stab it??? Almost sounds scary the way you describe it haha. When I go subq I use 5/16" 31g pins. No way to go IM with that.

If I can look more like @Lilbrods I'll pin my balls for all I care lol
 
And guys the difference is just the uptake into the bloodstream timing is all
Def work out which you need for what timing 💪🙏 also a lot to do with when insulin and sleep is timed aswell
 
Back day today (program)

No gh pre
Slin 5iu
( pump 10 fold better on less volume)
Keeping lactic acid high from no gh I’d say
Wanted to feel the pain today is why

Pullovers rope 4 sets @ 85kg 15 reps
Cable rows 4sets @ 70kg 15 reps
Chest support iso wide grip 4 sets @ 200kg 12reps
Tbar chest support 4 sets @ 40 kg 15 reps
Db rows 4 sets 50kg 15 reps
Under grip bent over rows 60kg 15 reps 2 sets

A lot more mental push to get through but much needed today 💪 low volume is hard mentally for me but gains are worth it
 

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Back day today (program)

No gh pre
Slin 5iu
( pump 10 fold better on less volume)
Keeping lactic acid high from no gh I’d say
Wanted to feel the pain today is why

Pullovers rope 4 sets @ 85kg 15 reps
Cable rows 4sets @ 70kg 15 reps
Chest support iso wide grip 4 sets @ 200kg 12reps
Tbar chest support 4 sets @ 40 kg 15 reps
Db rows 4 sets 50kg 15 reps
Under grip bent over rows 60kg 15 reps 2 sets

A lot more mental push to get through but much needed today 💪 low volume is hard mentally for me but gains are worth it
Damn you're freaky bro. Aussies seem to have the best physiques but you're taking it to another level.

Are you pinning your GH intramuscular pre-workout?
 
Damn you're freaky bro. Aussies seem to have the best physiques but you're taking it to another level.

Are you pinning your GH intramuscular pre-workout?
yea bro im injecting pre on muscle group trained
 
Back day today (program)

No gh pre
Slin 5iu
( pump 10 fold better on less volume)
Keeping lactic acid high from no gh I’d say
Wanted to feel the pain today is why

Pullovers rope 4 sets @ 85kg 15 reps
Cable rows 4sets @ 70kg 15 reps
Chest support iso wide grip 4 sets @ 200kg 12reps
Tbar chest support 4 sets @ 40 kg 15 reps
Db rows 4 sets 50kg 15 reps
Under grip bent over rows 60kg 15 reps 2 sets

A lot more mental push to get through but much needed today 💪 low volume is hard mentally for me but gains are worth it
@Lilbrods amazing updates....keep it up......
 
Back day today (program)

No gh pre
Slin 5iu
( pump 10 fold better on less volume)
Keeping lactic acid high from no gh I’d say
Wanted to feel the pain today is why

Pullovers rope 4 sets @ 85kg 15 reps
Cable rows 4sets @ 70kg 15 reps
Chest support iso wide grip 4 sets @ 200kg 12reps
Tbar chest support 4 sets @ 40 kg 15 reps
Db rows 4 sets 50kg 15 reps
Under grip bent over rows 60kg 15 reps 2 sets

A lot more mental push to get through but much needed today 💪 low volume is hard mentally for me but gains are worth it
Very wide thick back in those pics, density looks serious :D @Lilbrods

Good back day, 200kg chest support rows and 50kg dumbbell rows both heavy!
 
Arms yesterday my session sorry coach haha

Bg 6.0 fastened
Pre workout.. post 5iu slin and 100grms carbs
5.8

Arms
Rope pull downs @ 50kg -30reps
Superset with ez barbell curls @ 35kg -20reps
4sets

Overhead cable extension @ 30kg 25reps superset with db alternating curls @ 15kg 20 reps
4 sets

Tricep dips machine @ 120kg 20 reps
Supersetted with rope hammer curls
50kg 10 reps
4 sets

Close grip bench @ 60kg 20 reps
Superset with preacher plate loaded machine curls
@ 30kg -30 reps

Again a lil brodz arm special in and out in 32 mins 💪💪
Only break is moving from one machine to another

Intra workout 50 grms glucose jelly beans with bcaas
Post workout bgl
5.4
Bloods done waiting for results 💪💪
 

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Arms yesterday my session sorry coach haha

Bg 6.0 fastened
Pre workout.. post 5iu slin and 100grms carbs
5.8

Arms
Rope pull downs @ 50kg -30reps
Superset with ez barbell curls @ 35kg -20reps
4sets

Overhead cable extension @ 30kg 25reps superset with db alternating curls @ 15kg 20 reps
4 sets

Tricep dips machine @ 120kg 20 reps
Supersetted with rope hammer curls
50kg 10 reps
4 sets

Close grip bench @ 60kg 20 reps
Superset with preacher plate loaded machine curls
@ 30kg -30 reps

Again a lil brodz arm special in and out in 32 mins 💪💪
Only break is moving from one machine to another

Intra workout 50 grms glucose jelly beans with bcaas
Post workout bgl
5.4
Bloods done waiting for results 💪💪
Huge arm pics posted, serious size and veins popping. :D @Lilbrods

Session looks hot, 60kg close grip bench and 50kg rope work hit both heads hard!
 
Arms yesterday my session sorry coach haha

Bg 6.0 fastened
Pre workout.. post 5iu slin and 100grms carbs
5.8

Arms
Rope pull downs @ 50kg -30reps
Superset with ez barbell curls @ 35kg -20reps
4sets

Overhead cable extension @ 30kg 25reps superset with db alternating curls @ 15kg 20 reps
4 sets

Tricep dips machine @ 120kg 20 reps
Supersetted with rope hammer curls
50kg 10 reps
4 sets

Close grip bench @ 60kg 20 reps
Superset with preacher plate loaded machine curls
@ 30kg -30 reps

Again a lil brodz arm special in and out in 32 mins 💪💪
Only break is moving from one machine to another

Intra workout 50 grms glucose jelly beans with bcaas
Post workout bgl
5.4
Bloods done waiting for results 💪💪
Bruhhhhh you get any bigger and you wont fit in the frame of the picture 😦😦 geesuz🔥🤣
 
Arms yesterday my session sorry coach haha

Bg 6.0 fastened
Pre workout.. post 5iu slin and 100grms carbs
5.8

Arms
Rope pull downs @ 50kg -30reps
Superset with ez barbell curls @ 35kg -20reps
4sets

Overhead cable extension @ 30kg 25reps superset with db alternating curls @ 15kg 20 reps
4 sets

Tricep dips machine @ 120kg 20 reps
Supersetted with rope hammer curls
50kg 10 reps
4 sets

Close grip bench @ 60kg 20 reps
Superset with preacher plate loaded machine curls
@ 30kg -30 reps

Again a lil brodz arm special in and out in 32 mins 💪💪
Only break is moving from one machine to another

Intra workout 50 grms glucose jelly beans with bcaas
Post workout bgl
5.4
Bloods done waiting for results 💪💪
Following this 🔥 what are you weighing atm
 
So held off bloods to try and get the best data as possible on post Reta injection
Had .5ml fastened 4 hours before bloods being taken on Tuesday so just waiting on results keen to see just what’s happening with that there

💪
Post injection day of Reta only real notice is digestion and the first 2 shits is they the old Reta runs almost as a laxative would work @ 2 hours post sub q in stomach.

Bg morning of was 6.9 and 2 hours post reta 6.7 so no interaction with bg level at all

Calories sitting at 4500ish give or take a mandarin or some fruit here or there
But we need to check these thyroids seeming overactive with weight holding some water loss day in and watrler gain day out so hovers from 93.2 to 94 kg but just to steady for my liking

This week I’ll be purchasing a decent heart rate monitor for work hopefully hold up for the week and work out just what kind of cals are being output
Average steps at work are 12k and the whole day 16k but that’s average of my 17 hour days

Training intensity but off last 2 days but feeling super run down thinking bit of a illness happening head cold or something small
But still good enough to need 2 days recovery

So with weight not budging have had a really hard think and because it’s hurting my offseason to much and how I feel it’s hindering my progress and therefore my promise to UGLOZ and everything AJ and the team has done for me
Instead of upping food intake again, I’m telling work I’m dropping back to 4 day work week 💪💪💪

Extra day of surplus and little activity except training and recovery 💪💪

Hgh @ 5ius split :- 2ius pre workout intramuscular
3iu pre bed
But having my average sleep of 4 hours common sense says to push breakfast back until 7 hours fastened to let the Hgh get active and do its thing 💪💪 no point waking up and spiking insulin straight away with carbs and messing the Hgh up

Test e (platinum ugloz) eod @ 750mg week
Eq ( platinum ugloz) eod @ 500mg
UGL Reta @ 1mg per week split 2 injections per week
Novorapid 5ius pre workout sub q half hour post hgh intramuscular
Pretty sure going by bg levels that the novo is in and dropped off by the time the hgh is working at its peak well I’m hoping so without bloods hard to know 💚

We still weak point bring up on training
So lower posterior 2x week and legs 2x week

Bgl still gay as aids @ fastened average 6.7
 

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So held off bloods to try and get the best data as possible on post Reta injection
Had .5ml fastened 4 hours before bloods being taken on Tuesday so just waiting on results keen to see just what’s happening with that there

💪
Post injection day of Reta only real notice is digestion and the first 2 shits is they the old Reta runs almost as a laxative would work @ 2 hours post sub q in stomach.

Bg morning of was 6.9 and 2 hours post reta 6.7 so no interaction with bg level at all

Calories sitting at 4500ish give or take a mandarin or some fruit here or there
But we need to check these thyroids seeming overactive with weight holding some water loss day in and watrler gain day out so hovers from 93.2 to 94 kg but just to steady for my liking

This week I’ll be purchasing a decent heart rate monitor for work hopefully hold up for the week and work out just what kind of cals are being output
Average steps at work are 12k and the whole day 16k but that’s average of my 17 hour days

Training intensity but off last 2 days but feeling super run down thinking bit of a illness happening head cold or something small
But still good enough to need 2 days recovery

So with weight not budging have had a really hard think and because it’s hurting my offseason to much and how I feel it’s hindering my progress and therefore my promise to UGLOZ and everything AJ and the team has done for me
Instead of upping food intake again, I’m telling work I’m dropping back to 4 day work week 💪💪💪

Extra day of surplus and little activity except training and recovery 💪💪

Hgh @ 5ius split :- 2ius pre workout intramuscular
3iu pre bed
But having my average sleep of 4 hours common sense says to push breakfast back until 7 hours fastened to let the Hgh get active and do its thing 💪💪 no point waking up and spiking insulin straight away with carbs and messing the Hgh up

Test e (platinum ugloz) eod @ 750mg week
Eq ( platinum ugloz) eod @ 500mg
UGL Reta @ 1mg per week split 2 injections per week
Novorapid 5ius pre workout sub q half hour post hgh intramuscular
Pretty sure going by bg levels that the novo is in and dropped off by the time the hgh is working at its peak well I’m hoping so without bloods hard to know 💚

We still weak point bring up on training
So lower posterior 2x week and legs 2x week

Bgl still gay as aids @ fastened average 6.7
Big back in those pics :D clear density and width showing even with the fatigue setting in.

Smart call cutting to 4 workdays so recovery matches your training load!
 
So held off bloods to try and get the best data as possible on post Reta injection
Had .5ml fastened 4 hours before bloods being taken on Tuesday so just waiting on results keen to see just what’s happening with that there

💪
Post injection day of Reta only real notice is digestion and the first 2 shits is they the old Reta runs almost as a laxative would work @ 2 hours post sub q in stomach.

Bg morning of was 6.9 and 2 hours post reta 6.7 so no interaction with bg level at all

Calories sitting at 4500ish give or take a mandarin or some fruit here or there
But we need to check these thyroids seeming overactive with weight holding some water loss day in and watrler gain day out so hovers from 93.2 to 94 kg but just to steady for my liking

This week I’ll be purchasing a decent heart rate monitor for work hopefully hold up for the week and work out just what kind of cals are being output
Average steps at work are 12k and the whole day 16k but that’s average of my 17 hour days

Training intensity but off last 2 days but feeling super run down thinking bit of a illness happening head cold or something small
But still good enough to need 2 days recovery

So with weight not budging have had a really hard think and because it’s hurting my offseason to much and how I feel it’s hindering my progress and therefore my promise to UGLOZ and everything AJ and the team has done for me
Instead of upping food intake again, I’m telling work I’m dropping back to 4 day work week 💪💪💪

Extra day of surplus and little activity except training and recovery 💪💪

Hgh @ 5ius split :- 2ius pre workout intramuscular
3iu pre bed
But having my average sleep of 4 hours common sense says to push breakfast back until 7 hours fastened to let the Hgh get active and do its thing 💪💪 no point waking up and spiking insulin straight away with carbs and messing the Hgh up

Test e (platinum ugloz) eod @ 750mg week
Eq ( platinum ugloz) eod @ 500mg
UGL Reta @ 1mg per week split 2 injections per week
Novorapid 5ius pre workout sub q half hour post hgh intramuscular
Pretty sure going by bg levels that the novo is in and dropped off by the time the hgh is working at its peak well I’m hoping so without bloods hard to know 💚

We still weak point bring up on training
So lower posterior 2x week and legs 2x week

Bgl still gay as aids @ fastened average 6.7
@Lilbrods usually with reta the first 5-6 weeks are the worst with sides. then it really does improve. your body gets used to it
 
So held off bloods to try and get the best data as possible on post Reta injection
Had .5ml fastened 4 hours before bloods being taken on Tuesday so just waiting on results keen to see just what’s happening with that there

💪
Post injection day of Reta only real notice is digestion and the first 2 shits is they the old Reta runs almost as a laxative would work @ 2 hours post sub q in stomach.

Bg morning of was 6.9 and 2 hours post reta 6.7 so no interaction with bg level at all

Calories sitting at 4500ish give or take a mandarin or some fruit here or there
But we need to check these thyroids seeming overactive with weight holding some water loss day in and watrler gain day out so hovers from 93.2 to 94 kg but just to steady for my liking

This week I’ll be purchasing a decent heart rate monitor for work hopefully hold up for the week and work out just what kind of cals are being output
Average steps at work are 12k and the whole day 16k but that’s average of my 17 hour days

Training intensity but off last 2 days but feeling super run down thinking bit of a illness happening head cold or something small
But still good enough to need 2 days recovery

So with weight not budging have had a really hard think and because it’s hurting my offseason to much and how I feel it’s hindering my progress and therefore my promise to UGLOZ and everything AJ and the team has done for me
Instead of upping food intake again, I’m telling work I’m dropping back to 4 day work week 💪💪💪

Extra day of surplus and little activity except training and recovery 💪💪

Hgh @ 5ius split :- 2ius pre workout intramuscular
3iu pre bed
But having my average sleep of 4 hours common sense says to push breakfast back until 7 hours fastened to let the Hgh get active and do its thing 💪💪 no point waking up and spiking insulin straight away with carbs and messing the Hgh up

Test e (platinum ugloz) eod @ 750mg week
Eq ( platinum ugloz) eod @ 500mg
UGL Reta @ 1mg per week split 2 injections per week
Novorapid 5ius pre workout sub q half hour post hgh intramuscular
Pretty sure going by bg levels that the novo is in and dropped off by the time the hgh is working at its peak well I’m hoping so without bloods hard to know 💚

We still weak point bring up on training
So lower posterior 2x week and legs 2x week

Bgl still gay as aids @ fastened average 6.7
bros i like your flex. look like a good entertainer for sure. keep up the good work ! @Lilbrods
 
So held off bloods to try and get the best data as possible on post Reta injection
Had .5ml fastened 4 hours before bloods being taken on Tuesday so just waiting on results keen to see just what’s happening with that there

💪
Post injection day of Reta only real notice is digestion and the first 2 shits is they the old Reta runs almost as a laxative would work @ 2 hours post sub q in stomach.

Bg morning of was 6.9 and 2 hours post reta 6.7 so no interaction with bg level at all

Calories sitting at 4500ish give or take a mandarin or some fruit here or there
But we need to check these thyroids seeming overactive with weight holding some water loss day in and watrler gain day out so hovers from 93.2 to 94 kg but just to steady for my liking

This week I’ll be purchasing a decent heart rate monitor for work hopefully hold up for the week and work out just what kind of cals are being output
Average steps at work are 12k and the whole day 16k but that’s average of my 17 hour days

Training intensity but off last 2 days but feeling super run down thinking bit of a illness happening head cold or something small
But still good enough to need 2 days recovery

So with weight not budging have had a really hard think and because it’s hurting my offseason to much and how I feel it’s hindering my progress and therefore my promise to UGLOZ and everything AJ and the team has done for me
Instead of upping food intake again, I’m telling work I’m dropping back to 4 day work week 💪💪💪

Extra day of surplus and little activity except training and recovery 💪💪

Hgh @ 5ius split :- 2ius pre workout intramuscular
3iu pre bed
But having my average sleep of 4 hours common sense says to push breakfast back until 7 hours fastened to let the Hgh get active and do its thing 💪💪 no point waking up and spiking insulin straight away with carbs and messing the Hgh up

Test e (platinum ugloz) eod @ 750mg week
Eq ( platinum ugloz) eod @ 500mg
UGL Reta @ 1mg per week split 2 injections per week
Novorapid 5ius pre workout sub q half hour post hgh intramuscular
Pretty sure going by bg levels that the novo is in and dropped off by the time the hgh is working at its peak well I’m hoping so without bloods hard to know 💚

We still weak point bring up on training
So lower posterior 2x week and legs 2x week

Bgl still gay as aids @ fastened average 6.7
test and EQ dosing is not bad @Lilbrods 1250mgs a week as a combo is a solid amount. you should see some good growth going forward
 
So held off bloods to try and get the best data as possible on post Reta injection
Had .5ml fastened 4 hours before bloods being taken on Tuesday so just waiting on results keen to see just what’s happening with that there

💪
Post injection day of Reta only real notice is digestion and the first 2 shits is they the old Reta runs almost as a laxative would work @ 2 hours post sub q in stomach.

Bg morning of was 6.9 and 2 hours post reta 6.7 so no interaction with bg level at all

Calories sitting at 4500ish give or take a mandarin or some fruit here or there
But we need to check these thyroids seeming overactive with weight holding some water loss day in and watrler gain day out so hovers from 93.2 to 94 kg but just to steady for my liking

This week I’ll be purchasing a decent heart rate monitor for work hopefully hold up for the week and work out just what kind of cals are being output
Average steps at work are 12k and the whole day 16k but that’s average of my 17 hour days

Training intensity but off last 2 days but feeling super run down thinking bit of a illness happening head cold or something small
But still good enough to need 2 days recovery

So with weight not budging have had a really hard think and because it’s hurting my offseason to much and how I feel it’s hindering my progress and therefore my promise to UGLOZ and everything AJ and the team has done for me
Instead of upping food intake again, I’m telling work I’m dropping back to 4 day work week 💪💪💪

Extra day of surplus and little activity except training and recovery 💪💪

Hgh @ 5ius split :- 2ius pre workout intramuscular
3iu pre bed
But having my average sleep of 4 hours common sense says to push breakfast back until 7 hours fastened to let the Hgh get active and do its thing 💪💪 no point waking up and spiking insulin straight away with carbs and messing the Hgh up

Test e (platinum ugloz) eod @ 750mg week
Eq ( platinum ugloz) eod @ 500mg
UGL Reta @ 1mg per week split 2 injections per week
Novorapid 5ius pre workout sub q half hour post hgh intramuscular
Pretty sure going by bg levels that the novo is in and dropped off by the time the hgh is working at its peak well I’m hoping so without bloods hard to know 💚

We still weak point bring up on training
So lower posterior 2x week and legs 2x week

Bgl still gay as aids @ fastened average 6.7
@Lilbrods good summary of how you are using your hgh. hopefully you can get more sleep. 4 hours is very anemic
 
So held off bloods to try and get the best data as possible on post Reta injection
Had .5ml fastened 4 hours before bloods being taken on Tuesday so just waiting on results keen to see just what’s happening with that there

💪
Post injection day of Reta only real notice is digestion and the first 2 shits is they the old Reta runs almost as a laxative would work @ 2 hours post sub q in stomach.

Bg morning of was 6.9 and 2 hours post reta 6.7 so no interaction with bg level at all

Calories sitting at 4500ish give or take a mandarin or some fruit here or there
But we need to check these thyroids seeming overactive with weight holding some water loss day in and watrler gain day out so hovers from 93.2 to 94 kg but just to steady for my liking

This week I’ll be purchasing a decent heart rate monitor for work hopefully hold up for the week and work out just what kind of cals are being output
Average steps at work are 12k and the whole day 16k but that’s average of my 17 hour days

Training intensity but off last 2 days but feeling super run down thinking bit of a illness happening head cold or something small
But still good enough to need 2 days recovery

So with weight not budging have had a really hard think and because it’s hurting my offseason to much and how I feel it’s hindering my progress and therefore my promise to UGLOZ and everything AJ and the team has done for me
Instead of upping food intake again, I’m telling work I’m dropping back to 4 day work week 💪💪💪

Extra day of surplus and little activity except training and recovery 💪💪

Hgh @ 5ius split :- 2ius pre workout intramuscular
3iu pre bed
But having my average sleep of 4 hours common sense says to push breakfast back until 7 hours fastened to let the Hgh get active and do its thing 💪💪 no point waking up and spiking insulin straight away with carbs and messing the Hgh up

Test e (platinum ugloz) eod @ 750mg week
Eq ( platinum ugloz) eod @ 500mg
UGL Reta @ 1mg per week split 2 injections per week
Novorapid 5ius pre workout sub q half hour post hgh intramuscular
Pretty sure going by bg levels that the novo is in and dropped off by the time the hgh is working at its peak well I’m hoping so without bloods hard to know 💚

We still weak point bring up on training
So lower posterior 2x week and legs 2x week

Bgl still gay as aids @ fastened average 6.7
test, eq, reta, and insulin along with the hgh is a hardcore stack. not bad at all. keep up the grind i love this @Lilbrods
 
So we into grow phase a fair bit now
Coach added 10iu lantus to help bgl
💪💪

Current macros are next level so we will def be growing hard now 😍 see pics for cals/ macros

Training going real good starting to get some strengths gains finally
Sleep is still a struggle @ averaging 5-6 hours per night
Have dropped morning cardio and just back to morning steps on treadmill now

Chest delts tri today
Machine flys @ 120kg 15 reps x 3 sets
Machine decline @ 120 15 reps x 4 sets
Cable decline flys @ 60kg x 4 sets

Db side lateral flys @ 15 kg /15reps 4 sets
Military press @ 70kg 15 reps 4 sets

Ez barbel skull crushers @ 40kg 15 reps 4 sets

Got bloods done Tues still waiting results will post when I get them 💪
 

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Some bloods back.. waiting on hgh and igf1 still
Bg decent so thinking got bogus monitor or tabs
High t3 though any suggestions on bringing down without caloric restriction would be appreciated
 

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So held off bloods to try and get the best data as possible on post Reta injection
Had .5ml fastened 4 hours before bloods being taken on Tuesday so just waiting on results keen to see just what’s happening with that there

💪
Post injection day of Reta only real notice is digestion and the first 2 shits is they the old Reta runs almost as a laxative would work @ 2 hours post sub q in stomach.

Bg morning of was 6.9 and 2 hours post reta 6.7 so no interaction with bg level at all

Calories sitting at 4500ish give or take a mandarin or some fruit here or there
But we need to check these thyroids seeming overactive with weight holding some water loss day in and watrler gain day out so hovers from 93.2 to 94 kg but just to steady for my liking

This week I’ll be purchasing a decent heart rate monitor for work hopefully hold up for the week and work out just what kind of cals are being output
Average steps at work are 12k and the whole day 16k but that’s average of my 17 hour days

Training intensity but off last 2 days but feeling super run down thinking bit of a illness happening head cold or something small
But still good enough to need 2 days recovery

So with weight not budging have had a really hard think and because it’s hurting my offseason to much and how I feel it’s hindering my progress and therefore my promise to UGLOZ and everything AJ and the team has done for me
Instead of upping food intake again, I’m telling work I’m dropping back to 4 day work week 💪💪💪

Extra day of surplus and little activity except training and recovery 💪💪

Hgh @ 5ius split :- 2ius pre workout intramuscular
3iu pre bed
But having my average sleep of 4 hours common sense says to push breakfast back until 7 hours fastened to let the Hgh get active and do its thing 💪💪 no point waking up and spiking insulin straight away with carbs and messing the Hgh up

Test e (platinum ugloz) eod @ 750mg week
Eq ( platinum ugloz) eod @ 500mg
UGL Reta @ 1mg per week split 2 injections per week
Novorapid 5ius pre workout sub q half hour post hgh intramuscular
Pretty sure going by bg levels that the novo is in and dropped off by the time the hgh is working at its peak well I’m hoping so without bloods hard to know 💚

We still weak point bring up on training
So lower posterior 2x week and legs 2x week

Bgl still gay as aids @ fastened average 6.7
@Lilbrods your back is looking jacked! I like the update on the peds
 
So we into grow phase a fair bit now
Coach added 10iu lantus to help bgl
💪💪

Current macros are next level so we will def be growing hard now 😍 see pics for cals/ macros

Training going real good starting to get some strengths gains finally
Sleep is still a struggle @ averaging 5-6 hours per night
Have dropped morning cardio and just back to morning steps on treadmill now

Chest delts tri today
Machine flys @ 120kg 15 reps x 3 sets
Machine decline @ 120 15 reps x 4 sets
Cable decline flys @ 60kg x 4 sets

Db side lateral flys @ 15 kg /15reps 4 sets
Military press @ 70kg 15 reps 4 sets

Ez barbel skull crushers @ 40kg 15 reps 4 sets

Got bloods done Tues still waiting results will post when I get them 💪
Insane arm size in those pics, you’re deep into the grow phase now. :D
 
Some bloods back.. waiting on hgh and igf1 still
Bg decent so thinking got bogus monitor or tabs
High t3 though any suggestions on bringing down without caloric restriction would be appreciated
T3 too high usually points to thyroid med or stim overlap not food. Drop any caffeine, clen, or T3 med dose by 25% and retest in 10 days. @Lilbrods
 
T3 too high usually points to thyroid med or stim overlap not food. Drop any caffeine, clen, or T3 med dose by 25% and retest in 10 days. @Lilbrods
Thanks @LevButlerov brother no clen or t3
But caffeine is little high so dropping it today and will retest in 10 days ❤️❤️💪💪💚💚
 
So we into grow phase a fair bit now
Coach added 10iu lantus to help bgl
💪💪

Current macros are next level so we will def be growing hard now 😍 see pics for cals/ macros

Training going real good starting to get some strengths gains finally
Sleep is still a struggle @ averaging 5-6 hours per night
Have dropped morning cardio and just back to morning steps on treadmill now

Chest delts tri today
Machine flys @ 120kg 15 reps x 3 sets
Machine decline @ 120 15 reps x 4 sets
Cable decline flys @ 60kg x 4 sets

Db side lateral flys @ 15 kg /15reps 4 sets
Military press @ 70kg 15 reps 4 sets

Ez barbel skull crushers @ 40kg 15 reps 4 sets

Got bloods done Tues still waiting results will post when I get them 💪
Fuck that rear double is boss AF! 🔥
 
This is prob the most gritty plateu I’ve had in 10 years or so of training and growing
Starting to mentally get to me a bit feels a bit like body should be responding more than it is
Body weight just not budging goes up a kg then drops it in 2 days and cals increased to 4800 so need to reassess food going in and digestion now I feel
Cycle @ 750 mg test e
500eq
Hgh 5iu
Lantis 10iu
Novorapid 5iu
Bg 6 fastened average

Weight 93.5kg just not budging usually I’d be over the 100 again this far into rebound but holding a lot tighter which is good just the mental side of not moving in numbers is hard

But just gotta nut it out through these phases and stick to the plan 💪💪 trust the process

I’ll post up my full nutrition plan tonight for you legends to have a squiz over 💪💪
Legs tonight so keen get some mental shit out 💪💪💪💪
 

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This is prob the most gritty plateu I’ve had in 10 years or so of training and growing
Starting to mentally get to me a bit feels a bit like body should be responding more than it is
Body weight just not budging goes up a kg then drops it in 2 days and cals increased to 4800 so need to reassess food going in and digestion now I feel
Cycle @ 750 mg test e
500eq
Hgh 5iu
Lantis 10iu
Novorapid 5iu
Bg 6 fastened average

Weight 93.5kg just not budging usually I’d be over the 100 again this far into rebound but holding a lot tighter which is good just the mental side of not moving in numbers is hard

But just gotta nut it out through these phases and stick to the plan 💪💪 trust the process

I’ll post up my full nutrition plan tonight for you legends to have a squiz over 💪💪
Legs tonight so keen get some mental shit out 💪💪💪💪
Big arms and back in that shot, you’re dense even with the weight holding steady. :D @Lilbrods
4800 cals is solid but if digestion is slowing maybe split meals tighter through the day! and you can go up in macros too

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
 
This is prob the most gritty plateu I’ve had in 10 years or so of training and growing
Starting to mentally get to me a bit feels a bit like body should be responding more than it is
Body weight just not budging goes up a kg then drops it in 2 days and cals increased to 4800 so need to reassess food going in and digestion now I feel
Cycle @ 750 mg test e
500eq
Hgh 5iu
Lantis 10iu
Novorapid 5iu
Bg 6 fastened average

Weight 93.5kg just not budging usually I’d be over the 100 again this far into rebound but holding a lot tighter which is good just the mental side of not moving in numbers is hard

But just gotta nut it out through these phases and stick to the plan 💪💪 trust the process

I’ll post up my full nutrition plan tonight for you legends to have a squiz over 💪💪
Legs tonight so keen get some mental shit out 💪💪💪💪
Amazing size man, you look really good
 
This is prob the most gritty plateu I’ve had in 10 years or so of training and growing
Starting to mentally get to me a bit feels a bit like body should be responding more than it is
Body weight just not budging goes up a kg then drops it in 2 days and cals increased to 4800 so need to reassess food going in and digestion now I feel
Cycle @ 750 mg test e
500eq
Hgh 5iu
Lantis 10iu
Novorapid 5iu
Bg 6 fastened average

Weight 93.5kg just not budging usually I’d be over the 100 again this far into rebound but holding a lot tighter which is good just the mental side of not moving in numbers is hard

But just gotta nut it out through these phases and stick to the plan 💪💪 trust the process

I’ll post up my full nutrition plan tonight for you legends to have a squiz over 💪💪
Legs tonight so keen get some mental shit out 💪💪💪💪
Same as when at the end of a lifting prep. My thought process was always no other f**ker can do this but me. That's how I won.
 
Thanks guys this was coaches words

Just went back through all of your measurements since we started together bro.

Chest is up 6cm
Calves are up 1.2cm
Arms are up 2cm
Quads are up 2-3cm (some variation with check ins).

Overall look is improving now.

The Lantus will make a difference bro moving forward but regardless the look is improving.


Watching the scale can be frustrating, for sure, but we're on the up bro, and only JUST found the right cals too! Keep doing what you're doing”

So just that mental game again same as prep like was said but can see density is coming through now
Got macros in pics now @LevButlerov
 
As for digestion just realised I been missing my enzymes and probiotics so good chance there’s the problem

And feeling little bit off so will hit up coach to drop Eq back to 300mg per week 💪💪
 

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Thanks guys this was coaches words

Just went back through all of your measurements since we started together bro.

Chest is up 6cm
Calves are up 1.2cm
Arms are up 2cm
Quads are up 2-3cm (some variation with check ins).

Overall look is improving now.

The Lantus will make a difference bro moving forward but regardless the look is improving.


Watching the scale can be frustrating, for sure, but we're on the up bro, and only JUST found the right cals too! Keep doing what you're doing”

So just that mental game again same as prep like was said but can see density is coming through now
Got macros in pics now @LevButlerov


I never watch the scale, just go off measurements and coaches feedback
 
This is prob the most gritty plateu I’ve had in 10 years or so of training and growing
Starting to mentally get to me a bit feels a bit like body should be responding more than it is
Body weight just not budging goes up a kg then drops it in 2 days and cals increased to 4800 so need to reassess food going in and digestion now I feel
Cycle @ 750 mg test e
500eq
Hgh 5iu
Lantis 10iu
Novorapid 5iu
Bg 6 fastened average

Weight 93.5kg just not budging usually I’d be over the 100 again this far into rebound but holding a lot tighter which is good just the mental side of not moving in numbers is hard

But just gotta nut it out through these phases and stick to the plan 💪💪 trust the process

I’ll post up my full nutrition plan tonight for you legends to have a squiz over 💪💪
Legs tonight so keen get some mental shit out 💪💪💪💪
@Lilbrods physique looks outstanding! the muscles are amazing here. looking absolutely yolked!
 
This is prob the most gritty plateu I’ve had in 10 years or so of training and growing
Starting to mentally get to me a bit feels a bit like body should be responding more than it is
Body weight just not budging goes up a kg then drops it in 2 days and cals increased to 4800 so need to reassess food going in and digestion now I feel
Cycle @ 750 mg test e
500eq
Hgh 5iu
Lantis 10iu
Novorapid 5iu
Bg 6 fastened average

Weight 93.5kg just not budging usually I’d be over the 100 again this far into rebound but holding a lot tighter which is good just the mental side of not moving in numbers is hard

But just gotta nut it out through these phases and stick to the plan 💪💪 trust the process

I’ll post up my full nutrition plan tonight for you legends to have a squiz over 💪💪
Legs tonight so keen get some mental shit out 💪💪💪💪
you are showing how its done with this PED setup @Lilbrods You aren't using 3 or 4 g of gear, but you're using the steroids in a specific way along with the growth hormone and insulin.
 
This is prob the most gritty plateu I’ve had in 10 years or so of training and growing
Starting to mentally get to me a bit feels a bit like body should be responding more than it is
Body weight just not budging goes up a kg then drops it in 2 days and cals increased to 4800 so need to reassess food going in and digestion now I feel
Cycle @ 750 mg test e
500eq
Hgh 5iu
Lantis 10iu
Novorapid 5iu
Bg 6 fastened average

Weight 93.5kg just not budging usually I’d be over the 100 again this far into rebound but holding a lot tighter which is good just the mental side of not moving in numbers is hard

But just gotta nut it out through these phases and stick to the plan 💪💪 trust the process

I’ll post up my full nutrition plan tonight for you legends to have a squiz over 💪💪
Legs tonight so keen get some mental shit out 💪💪💪💪
That's good that you're in a good mental position and you're seeing some responding going on. Sometimes when our weight doesn't budge we get frustrated. But a lot of times that could just mean that you're recouping. So you're building some good quality muscle and losing body fat at the same time. @Lilbrods
 
This is prob the most gritty plateu I’ve had in 10 years or so of training and growing
Starting to mentally get to me a bit feels a bit like body should be responding more than it is
Body weight just not budging goes up a kg then drops it in 2 days and cals increased to 4800 so need to reassess food going in and digestion now I feel
Cycle @ 750 mg test e
500eq
Hgh 5iu
Lantis 10iu
Novorapid 5iu
Bg 6 fastened average

Weight 93.5kg just not budging usually I’d be over the 100 again this far into rebound but holding a lot tighter which is good just the mental side of not moving in numbers is hard

But just gotta nut it out through these phases and stick to the plan 💪💪 trust the process

I’ll post up my full nutrition plan tonight for you legends to have a squiz over 💪💪
Legs tonight so keen get some mental shit out 💪💪💪💪
@Lilbrods bros 5iu's of hgh is solid with 10iu's lantus. i like it. weight also looking good!
 
This is prob the most gritty plateu I’ve had in 10 years or so of training and growing
Starting to mentally get to me a bit feels a bit like body should be responding more than it is
Body weight just not budging goes up a kg then drops it in 2 days and cals increased to 4800 so need to reassess food going in and digestion now I feel
Cycle @ 750 mg test e
500eq
Hgh 5iu
Lantis 10iu
Novorapid 5iu
Bg 6 fastened average

Weight 93.5kg just not budging usually I’d be over the 100 again this far into rebound but holding a lot tighter which is good just the mental side of not moving in numbers is hard

But just gotta nut it out through these phases and stick to the plan 💪💪 trust the process

I’ll post up my full nutrition plan tonight for you legends to have a squiz over 💪💪
Legs tonight so keen get some mental shit out 💪💪💪💪
As you say brother hard not becoming a slave to the scales. But you know better the anyone there are more ways to measure progress and your measurements are showing it. Keep it up big man you know how to get it done 🔥🤜🏼🤛🏼
 
This is prob the most gritty plateu I’ve had in 10 years or so of training and growing
Starting to mentally get to me a bit feels a bit like body should be responding more than it is
Body weight just not budging goes up a kg then drops it in 2 days and cals increased to 4800 so need to reassess food going in and digestion now I feel
Cycle @ 750 mg test e
500eq
Hgh 5iu
Lantis 10iu
Novorapid 5iu
Bg 6 fastened average

Weight 93.5kg just not budging usually I’d be over the 100 again this far into rebound but holding a lot tighter which is good just the mental side of not moving in numbers is hard

But just gotta nut it out through these phases and stick to the plan 💪💪 trust the process

I’ll post up my full nutrition plan tonight for you legends to have a squiz over 💪💪
Legs tonight so keen get some mental shit out 💪💪💪💪
You definitely have some big size to your frame. Muscles are thick and cut. And you're doing it all and you're showing us how to do it. That's much appreciated. @Lilbrods
 
Thanks guys this was coaches words

Just went back through all of your measurements since we started together bro.

Chest is up 6cm
Calves are up 1.2cm
Arms are up 2cm
Quads are up 2-3cm (some variation with check ins).

Overall look is improving now.

The Lantus will make a difference bro moving forward but regardless the look is improving.


Watching the scale can be frustrating, for sure, but we're on the up bro, and only JUST found the right cals too! Keep doing what you're doing”

So just that mental game again same as prep like was said but can see density is coming through now
Got macros in pics now @LevButlerov
Good feedback from your coach and those numbers are solid progress.

Keep pushing with those macros locked in and the Lantus will start showing soon, you’re on the right path. :D @Lilbrods
 
As for digestion just realised I been missing my enzymes and probiotics so good chance there’s the problem

And feeling little bit off so will hit up coach to drop Eq back to 300mg per week 💪💪
big and ripped :D
 
Love the ugloz x evo family you guys are always first to bring each other up this is what makes this community the absolute pinnacle of humanity 💚💚💚💪💪💪💪
 
Good feedback from your coach and those numbers are solid progress.

Keep pushing with those macros locked in and the Lantus will start showing soon, you’re on the right path. :D @Lilbrods
Can be frustrating when you're focused on the scale weight and it's not moving. This is why weekly measurements can be so important. Just another metric we can use. In any case I've just bumped Brodz up to 5.1k cals.

Let's see what this and the Lantus does.


Keep it up @Lilbrods
 
So everyone on the team gets cheat meal days so I’ve taken things into my own hands and made myself a cheat program day where I one day a week I put in a Lilbrodz workout to get out all the mood and aggression today was that day.. sorry coach @R.AP
Shoulders/ traps as follows

Pin loaded shoulder press machine

60kg- 30 reps
Superset with standing db side laterals @15kg 20reps

80kg - 2 sets @ 20reps
Ss:- db side lateral raises :- 20kg 15reps

Bent over db rear flys
3 sets
@20kg- 20 reps
Superset with front db alternating raises @ 12 kg 20 reps

Db press
3 sets
@35kg 15 reps Superset
Db shrugs @ 30kg 30 reps

Side cable raises
@ 10kg 10 reps
Superset with face rope pulls @ 60kg 20 reps
3 sets

Smith machine seated military press
@60kg - 20 reps

Total workout time 47mins 💪💪💪

Max break roughly 40 seconds loading smith machine
Just use anger and hate to get through the pain 💪💪
 

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This is prob the most gritty plateu I’ve had in 10 years or so of training and growing
Starting to mentally get to me a bit feels a bit like body should be responding more than it is
Body weight just not budging goes up a kg then drops it in 2 days and cals increased to 4800 so need to reassess food going in and digestion now I feel
Cycle @ 750 mg test e
500eq
Hgh 5iu
Lantis 10iu
Novorapid 5iu
Bg 6 fastened average

Weight 93.5kg just not budging usually I’d be over the 100 again this far into rebound but holding a lot tighter which is good just the mental side of not moving in numbers is hard

But just gotta nut it out through these phases and stick to the plan 💪💪 trust the process

I’ll post up my full nutrition plan tonight for you legends to have a squiz over 💪💪
Legs tonight so keen get some mental shit out 💪💪💪💪
@Lilbrods looking absolutely jacked bro!
 
So everyone on the team gets cheat meal days so I’ve taken things into my own hands and made myself a cheat program day where I one day a week I put in a Lilbrodz workout to get out all the mood and aggression today was that day.. sorry coach @R.AP
Shoulders/ traps as follows

Pin loaded shoulder press machine

60kg- 30 reps
Superset with standing db side laterals @15kg 20reps

80kg - 2 sets @ 20reps
Ss:- db side lateral raises :- 20kg 15reps

Bent over db rear flys
3 sets
@20kg- 20 reps
Superset with front db alternating raises @ 12 kg 20 reps

Db press
3 sets
@35kg 15 reps Superset
Db shrugs @ 30kg 30 reps

Side cable raises
@ 10kg 10 reps
Superset with face rope pulls @ 60kg 20 reps
3 sets

Smith machine seated military press
@60kg - 20 reps

Total workout time 47mins 💪💪💪

Max break roughly 40 seconds loading smith machine
Just use anger and hate to get through the pain 💪💪
you're real thick what was the cheat meal?
 
you're real thick what was the cheat meal?
I think he chose a cheat program day instead of a cheat meal day hahaha.
That is a fella that is dialled in lol. Doesnt want the cheat meal just wants to throw more iron lol. Thats why the brother looks the way he does 🔥
 
Yea no cheat meal bro @LevButlerov was a cheat program day haha
Staying strong backing coach all the way
Got my lcms bloods done yesterday for e2 n test total so I’ll chuck em up when they come through 🙌🙌
 
Yea no cheat meal bro @LevButlerov was a cheat program day haha
Staying strong backing coach all the way
Got my lcms bloods done yesterday for e2 n test total so I’ll chuck em up when they come through 🙌🙌
oh cheat program I thought you meant cheat meal :P lol @Lilbrods
 
I think he chose a cheat program day instead of a cheat meal day hahaha.
That is a fella that is dialled in lol. Doesnt want the cheat meal just wants to throw more iron lol. Thats why the brother looks the way he does 🔥
Yea I figured now lol :P
 
My amazing fam bam..

This week we upped food yet again but we moving along now starting to see some difference with weight and overall feeling adding in the morning long acting slin

Training:-
6 day spilt
Chest-shoulders-triceps
Legs:- hamstrings, abductors calves
Back, side delts,traps
Arms-abs
Legs:-quads adductors calves
Shoulders- forearms

Nutrition:-

5108 cals
Macros :- 269.8g protein 806.2g- carbs 72.9g fats

Supplements
Ugloz platinum Test e - 750mg per week split eod
Ugloz platinum eq -300mg per week split eod

Shogun HGH :- 5ius per day, 2iu pre workout.
3iu 2 hour before bed
(Due to little sleep previous routine like to be fully bio available before being asleep for my 4- 5 hours
)

Supps
Magnesium:- 250mg Before bed
Vit d3/k2 :- 3000iu Morning
Berberine:- 500mg Breakfast (carbs)
Chromium:- 50mcg Breakfast (carbs)
Milk thistle:- 200mg Morning
Creatine hcl:- 2000mg Post workout
Vitamin c:- 2000mg Morning

Bgl averaging still around the 6 fastened so no progress on that yet but only first week of eq reduction and adding the slow release slin in the morning

Overall feeling starting to pick up a fair bit. Energy and mood a lot more stable
Training I changed up a little from coaches recommended 45 seconds break between sets gone back to my old ways of 30 seconds or less just for the mental relief it gives me by getting everything out

Hgh:- starting to get little tingles in hands waking up a little bit but very very slight and no noticeable water retention 💪💪
Sleep picking up like crazy first day 2 days ago of 7hours straight in about 5-10 years
And last nite was 6 straight so massive difference and still feeling the need for a mid afternoon nap now to so recovery is through the roof
Will be going back to training split of 2 session a day instead of the 2 body parts in same session bit more volume going in seeing as recovery is on my side right now so jumping on it and take full advantage whilst I can 😀😀
 

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My amazing fam bam..

This week we upped food yet again but we moving along now starting to see some difference with weight and overall feeling adding in the morning long acting slin

Training:-
6 day spilt
Chest-shoulders-triceps
Legs:- hamstrings, abductors calves
Back, side delts,traps
Arms-abs
Legs:-quads adductors calves
Shoulders- forearms

Nutrition:-

5108 cals
Macros :- 269.8g protein 806.2g- carbs 72.9g fats

Supplements
Ugloz platinum Test e - 750mg per week split eod
Ugloz platinum eq -300mg per week split eod

Shogun HGH :- 5ius per day, 2iu pre workout.
3iu 2 hour before bed
(Due to little sleep previous routine like to be fully bio available before being asleep for my 4- 5 hours
)

Supps
Magnesium:- 250mg Before bed
Vit d3/k2 :- 3000iu Morning
Berberine:- 500mg Breakfast (carbs)
Chromium:- 50mcg Breakfast (carbs)
Milk thistle:- 200mg Morning
Creatine hcl:- 2000mg Post workout
Vitamin c:- 2000mg Morning

Bgl averaging still around the 6 fastened so no progress on that yet but only first week of eq reduction and adding the slow release slin in the morning

Overall feeling starting to pick up a fair bit. Energy and mood a lot more stable
Training I changed up a little from coaches recommended 45 seconds break between sets gone back to my old ways of 30 seconds or less just for the mental relief it gives me by getting everything out

Hgh:- starting to get little tingles in hands waking up a little bit but very very slight and no noticeable water retention 💪💪
Sleep picking up like crazy first day 2 days ago of 7hours straight in about 5-10 years
And last nite was 6 straight so massive difference and still feeling the need for a mid afternoon nap now to so recovery is through the roof
Will be going back to training split of 2 session a day instead of the 2 body parts in same session bit more volume going in seeing as recovery is on my side right now so jumping on it and take full advantage whilst I can 😀😀
Your abs look amazing :D
the higher food with that split is clearly pushing fullness and recovery fast
 
My amazing fam bam..

This week we upped food yet again but we moving along now starting to see some difference with weight and overall feeling adding in the morning long acting slin

Training:-
6 day spilt
Chest-shoulders-triceps
Legs:- hamstrings, abductors calves
Back, side delts,traps
Arms-abs
Legs:-quads adductors calves
Shoulders- forearms

Nutrition:-

5108 cals
Macros :- 269.8g protein 806.2g- carbs 72.9g fats

Supplements
Ugloz platinum Test e - 750mg per week split eod
Ugloz platinum eq -300mg per week split eod

Shogun HGH :- 5ius per day, 2iu pre workout.
3iu 2 hour before bed
(Due to little sleep previous routine like to be fully bio available before being asleep for my 4- 5 hours
)

Supps
Magnesium:- 250mg Before bed
Vit d3/k2 :- 3000iu Morning
Berberine:- 500mg Breakfast (carbs)
Chromium:- 50mcg Breakfast (carbs)
Milk thistle:- 200mg Morning
Creatine hcl:- 2000mg Post workout
Vitamin c:- 2000mg Morning

Bgl averaging still around the 6 fastened so no progress on that yet but only first week of eq reduction and adding the slow release slin in the morning

Overall feeling starting to pick up a fair bit. Energy and mood a lot more stable
Training I changed up a little from coaches recommended 45 seconds break between sets gone back to my old ways of 30 seconds or less just for the mental relief it gives me by getting everything out

Hgh:- starting to get little tingles in hands waking up a little bit but very very slight and no noticeable water retention 💪💪
Sleep picking up like crazy first day 2 days ago of 7hours straight in about 5-10 years
And last nite was 6 straight so massive difference and still feeling the need for a mid afternoon nap now to so recovery is through the roof
Will be going back to training split of 2 session a day instead of the 2 body parts in same session bit more volume going in seeing as recovery is on my side right now so jumping on it and take full advantage whilst I can 😀😀
@Lilbrods nice job on the supplements! that is what we want to see! training is looking sound if you ask me!
 
My amazing fam bam..

This week we upped food yet again but we moving along now starting to see some difference with weight and overall feeling adding in the morning long acting slin

Training:-
6 day spilt
Chest-shoulders-triceps
Legs:- hamstrings, abductors calves
Back, side delts,traps
Arms-abs
Legs:-quads adductors calves
Shoulders- forearms

Nutrition:-

5108 cals
Macros :- 269.8g protein 806.2g- carbs 72.9g fats

Supplements
Ugloz platinum Test e - 750mg per week split eod
Ugloz platinum eq -300mg per week split eod

Shogun HGH :- 5ius per day, 2iu pre workout.
3iu 2 hour before bed
(Due to little sleep previous routine like to be fully bio available before being asleep for my 4- 5 hours
)

Supps
Magnesium:- 250mg Before bed
Vit d3/k2 :- 3000iu Morning
Berberine:- 500mg Breakfast (carbs)
Chromium:- 50mcg Breakfast (carbs)
Milk thistle:- 200mg Morning
Creatine hcl:- 2000mg Post workout
Vitamin c:- 2000mg Morning

Bgl averaging still around the 6 fastened so no progress on that yet but only first week of eq reduction and adding the slow release slin in the morning

Overall feeling starting to pick up a fair bit. Energy and mood a lot more stable
Training I changed up a little from coaches recommended 45 seconds break between sets gone back to my old ways of 30 seconds or less just for the mental relief it gives me by getting everything out

Hgh:- starting to get little tingles in hands waking up a little bit but very very slight and no noticeable water retention 💪💪
Sleep picking up like crazy first day 2 days ago of 7hours straight in about 5-10 years
And last nite was 6 straight so massive difference and still feeling the need for a mid afternoon nap now to so recovery is through the roof
Will be going back to training split of 2 session a day instead of the 2 body parts in same session bit more volume going in seeing as recovery is on my side right now so jumping on it and take full advantage whilst I can 😀😀
Tweak the dose down to 4ius and see what happens
 
My amazing fam bam..

This week we upped food yet again but we moving along now starting to see some difference with weight and overall feeling adding in the morning long acting slin

Training:-
6 day spilt
Chest-shoulders-triceps
Legs:- hamstrings, abductors calves
Back, side delts,traps
Arms-abs
Legs:-quads adductors calves
Shoulders- forearms

Nutrition:-

5108 cals
Macros :- 269.8g protein 806.2g- carbs 72.9g fats

Supplements
Ugloz platinum Test e - 750mg per week split eod
Ugloz platinum eq -300mg per week split eod

Shogun HGH :- 5ius per day, 2iu pre workout.
3iu 2 hour before bed
(Due to little sleep previous routine like to be fully bio available before being asleep for my 4- 5 hours
)

Supps
Magnesium:- 250mg Before bed
Vit d3/k2 :- 3000iu Morning
Berberine:- 500mg Breakfast (carbs)
Chromium:- 50mcg Breakfast (carbs)
Milk thistle:- 200mg Morning
Creatine hcl:- 2000mg Post workout
Vitamin c:- 2000mg Morning

Bgl averaging still around the 6 fastened so no progress on that yet but only first week of eq reduction and adding the slow release slin in the morning

Overall feeling starting to pick up a fair bit. Energy and mood a lot more stable
Training I changed up a little from coaches recommended 45 seconds break between sets gone back to my old ways of 30 seconds or less just for the mental relief it gives me by getting everything out

Hgh:- starting to get little tingles in hands waking up a little bit but very very slight and no noticeable water retention 💪💪
Sleep picking up like crazy first day 2 days ago of 7hours straight in about 5-10 years
And last nite was 6 straight so massive difference and still feeling the need for a mid afternoon nap now to so recovery is through the roof
Will be going back to training split of 2 session a day instead of the 2 body parts in same session bit more volume going in seeing as recovery is on my side right now so jumping on it and take full advantage whilst I can 😀😀
bros always amazing to see your progression. you are an unstoppable beast and ripped! i got mad love for test and EQ too mixed @Lilbrods
 
My amazing fam bam..

This week we upped food yet again but we moving along now starting to see some difference with weight and overall feeling adding in the morning long acting slin

Training:-
6 day spilt
Chest-shoulders-triceps
Legs:- hamstrings, abductors calves
Back, side delts,traps
Arms-abs
Legs:-quads adductors calves
Shoulders- forearms

Nutrition:-

5108 cals
Macros :- 269.8g protein 806.2g- carbs 72.9g fats

Supplements
Ugloz platinum Test e - 750mg per week split eod
Ugloz platinum eq -300mg per week split eod

Shogun HGH :- 5ius per day, 2iu pre workout.
3iu 2 hour before bed
(Due to little sleep previous routine like to be fully bio available before being asleep for my 4- 5 hours
)

Supps
Magnesium:- 250mg Before bed
Vit d3/k2 :- 3000iu Morning
Berberine:- 500mg Breakfast (carbs)
Chromium:- 50mcg Breakfast (carbs)
Milk thistle:- 200mg Morning
Creatine hcl:- 2000mg Post workout
Vitamin c:- 2000mg Morning

Bgl averaging still around the 6 fastened so no progress on that yet but only first week of eq reduction and adding the slow release slin in the morning

Overall feeling starting to pick up a fair bit. Energy and mood a lot more stable
Training I changed up a little from coaches recommended 45 seconds break between sets gone back to my old ways of 30 seconds or less just for the mental relief it gives me by getting everything out

Hgh:- starting to get little tingles in hands waking up a little bit but very very slight and no noticeable water retention 💪💪
Sleep picking up like crazy first day 2 days ago of 7hours straight in about 5-10 years
And last nite was 6 straight so massive difference and still feeling the need for a mid afternoon nap now to so recovery is through the roof
Will be going back to training split of 2 session a day instead of the 2 body parts in same session bit more volume going in seeing as recovery is on my side right now so jumping on it and take full advantage whilst I can 😀😀
the hgh is carpal tunnell. really no way to help with that. @Lilbrods maybe lower the dose a bit and then try ramping it back up
 
My amazing fam bam..

This week we upped food yet again but we moving along now starting to see some difference with weight and overall feeling adding in the morning long acting slin

Training:-
6 day spilt
Chest-shoulders-triceps
Legs:- hamstrings, abductors calves
Back, side delts,traps
Arms-abs
Legs:-quads adductors calves
Shoulders- forearms

Nutrition:-

5108 cals
Macros :- 269.8g protein 806.2g- carbs 72.9g fats

Supplements
Ugloz platinum Test e - 750mg per week split eod
Ugloz platinum eq -300mg per week split eod

Shogun HGH :- 5ius per day, 2iu pre workout.
3iu 2 hour before bed
(Due to little sleep previous routine like to be fully bio available before being asleep for my 4- 5 hours
)

Supps
Magnesium:- 250mg Before bed
Vit d3/k2 :- 3000iu Morning
Berberine:- 500mg Breakfast (carbs)
Chromium:- 50mcg Breakfast (carbs)
Milk thistle:- 200mg Morning
Creatine hcl:- 2000mg Post workout
Vitamin c:- 2000mg Morning

Bgl averaging still around the 6 fastened so no progress on that yet but only first week of eq reduction and adding the slow release slin in the morning

Overall feeling starting to pick up a fair bit. Energy and mood a lot more stable
Training I changed up a little from coaches recommended 45 seconds break between sets gone back to my old ways of 30 seconds or less just for the mental relief it gives me by getting everything out

Hgh:- starting to get little tingles in hands waking up a little bit but very very slight and no noticeable water retention 💪💪
Sleep picking up like crazy first day 2 days ago of 7hours straight in about 5-10 years
And last nite was 6 straight so massive difference and still feeling the need for a mid afternoon nap now to so recovery is through the roof
Will be going back to training split of 2 session a day instead of the 2 body parts in same session bit more volume going in seeing as recovery is on my side right now so jumping on it and take full advantage whilst I can 😀😀
@Lilbrods nice job on this layout. the supplements all look pretty damn good. and i love the hgh you are doing too that is a strong alpha dose
 
My amazing fam bam..

This week we upped food yet again but we moving along now starting to see some difference with weight and overall feeling adding in the morning long acting slin

Training:-
6 day spilt
Chest-shoulders-triceps
Legs:- hamstrings, abductors calves
Back, side delts,traps
Arms-abs
Legs:-quads adductors calves
Shoulders- forearms

Nutrition:-

5108 cals
Macros :- 269.8g protein 806.2g- carbs 72.9g fats

Supplements
Ugloz platinum Test e - 750mg per week split eod
Ugloz platinum eq -300mg per week split eod

Shogun HGH :- 5ius per day, 2iu pre workout.
3iu 2 hour before bed
(Due to little sleep previous routine like to be fully bio available before being asleep for my 4- 5 hours
)

Supps
Magnesium:- 250mg Before bed
Vit d3/k2 :- 3000iu Morning
Berberine:- 500mg Breakfast (carbs)
Chromium:- 50mcg Breakfast (carbs)
Milk thistle:- 200mg Morning
Creatine hcl:- 2000mg Post workout
Vitamin c:- 2000mg Morning

Bgl averaging still around the 6 fastened so no progress on that yet but only first week of eq reduction and adding the slow release slin in the morning

Overall feeling starting to pick up a fair bit. Energy and mood a lot more stable
Training I changed up a little from coaches recommended 45 seconds break between sets gone back to my old ways of 30 seconds or less just for the mental relief it gives me by getting everything out

Hgh:- starting to get little tingles in hands waking up a little bit but very very slight and no noticeable water retention 💪💪
Sleep picking up like crazy first day 2 days ago of 7hours straight in about 5-10 years
And last nite was 6 straight so massive difference and still feeling the need for a mid afternoon nap now to so recovery is through the roof
Will be going back to training split of 2 session a day instead of the 2 body parts in same session bit more volume going in seeing as recovery is on my side right now so jumping on it and take full advantage whilst I can 😀😀
You are ripped to shreds in this picture is very nice job. Obviously you have some amazing genetics but you're using these compounds perfectly. @Lilbrods
 
My amazing fam bam..

This week we upped food yet again but we moving along now starting to see some difference with weight and overall feeling adding in the morning long acting slin

Training:-
6 day spilt
Chest-shoulders-triceps
Legs:- hamstrings, abductors calves
Back, side delts,traps
Arms-abs
Legs:-quads adductors calves
Shoulders- forearms

Nutrition:-

5108 cals
Macros :- 269.8g protein 806.2g- carbs 72.9g fats

Supplements
Ugloz platinum Test e - 750mg per week split eod
Ugloz platinum eq -300mg per week split eod

Shogun HGH :- 5ius per day, 2iu pre workout.
3iu 2 hour before bed
(Due to little sleep previous routine like to be fully bio available before being asleep for my 4- 5 hours
)

Supps
Magnesium:- 250mg Before bed
Vit d3/k2 :- 3000iu Morning
Berberine:- 500mg Breakfast (carbs)
Chromium:- 50mcg Breakfast (carbs)
Milk thistle:- 200mg Morning
Creatine hcl:- 2000mg Post workout
Vitamin c:- 2000mg Morning

Bgl averaging still around the 6 fastened so no progress on that yet but only first week of eq reduction and adding the slow release slin in the morning

Overall feeling starting to pick up a fair bit. Energy and mood a lot more stable
Training I changed up a little from coaches recommended 45 seconds break between sets gone back to my old ways of 30 seconds or less just for the mental relief it gives me by getting everything out

Hgh:- starting to get little tingles in hands waking up a little bit but very very slight and no noticeable water retention 💪💪
Sleep picking up like crazy first day 2 days ago of 7hours straight in about 5-10 years
And last nite was 6 straight so massive difference and still feeling the need for a mid afternoon nap now to so recovery is through the roof
Will be going back to training split of 2 session a day instead of the 2 body parts in same session bit more volume going in seeing as recovery is on my side right now so jumping on it and take full advantage whilst I can 😀😀
@Lilbrods you’re looking killer big guy! Definitely putting that work in man.
 
My amazing fam bam..

This week we upped food yet again but we moving along now starting to see some difference with weight and overall feeling adding in the morning long acting slin

Training:-
6 day spilt
Chest-shoulders-triceps
Legs:- hamstrings, abductors calves
Back, side delts,traps
Arms-abs
Legs:-quads adductors calves
Shoulders- forearms

Nutrition:-

5108 cals
Macros :- 269.8g protein 806.2g- carbs 72.9g fats

Supplements
Ugloz platinum Test e - 750mg per week split eod
Ugloz platinum eq -300mg per week split eod

Shogun HGH :- 5ius per day, 2iu pre workout.
3iu 2 hour before bed
(Due to little sleep previous routine like to be fully bio available before being asleep for my 4- 5 hours
)

Supps
Magnesium:- 250mg Before bed
Vit d3/k2 :- 3000iu Morning
Berberine:- 500mg Breakfast (carbs)
Chromium:- 50mcg Breakfast (carbs)
Milk thistle:- 200mg Morning
Creatine hcl:- 2000mg Post workout
Vitamin c:- 2000mg Morning

Bgl averaging still around the 6 fastened so no progress on that yet but only first week of eq reduction and adding the slow release slin in the morning

Overall feeling starting to pick up a fair bit. Energy and mood a lot more stable
Training I changed up a little from coaches recommended 45 seconds break between sets gone back to my old ways of 30 seconds or less just for the mental relief it gives me by getting everything out

Hgh:- starting to get little tingles in hands waking up a little bit but very very slight and no noticeable water retention 💪💪
Sleep picking up like crazy first day 2 days ago of 7hours straight in about 5-10 years
And last nite was 6 straight so massive difference and still feeling the need for a mid afternoon nap now to so recovery is through the roof
Will be going back to training split of 2 session a day instead of the 2 body parts in same session bit more volume going in seeing as recovery is on my side right now so jumping on it and take full advantage whilst I can 😀😀
@Lilbrods looking absolutely jacked and shredded bro!
 
Quads calves first session


3am - pre workout and morning routine

Black coffee
Vitamin c - 2000mg
Vit d3/k2 - 3000iu
Berberine -500mg
Chromium - 120mcg
Bcaas- 200ml water

:- 10iu optisulin

80grms rice cakes smashed with 20grms honey
70grms banana
300ml coconut water

Adductor x3 sets
:- 45kg 20reps
:- 66kg 15reps
:- 85kg 13reps

Leg extensions 4xsets
:-55kg 30reps
:-70kg 20 reps
:- 100kg 12reps
:- 100kg 12reps

Hack squats x4sets

:- no weight form check 30 reps
:- 40kg 20reps
:- 80kg 15reps
:-100kg 12reps

Db lunges x4 sets
:- 20kg db 20 reps
:- 20 kg 20 reps
:-30kg 10reps
:- 30kg 10reps

Calves x5 sets
Seated calf raises
@ 40kg 20reps x 4 sets

Post workout
120grms cor
100grms oats

1 scoop precision whey isolate
15 grms honey
Creatine Hcl 2000mg
300ml water

Work at 5am

2nd sess back

Pre workout
5iu novorapid

Same pre nutrition as the first session but no coffee instead 1scoop high stim pre
And 1 Kelloggs lcm bar 🤤🤤🤤

Bar pull downs x4sets
:- 50kg 20 reps
:- 85kg 15reps
:-100kg 12reps
:- 100kg 12reps

Cable rows x4 sets
:- 50kg 20reps
:- 80kg 17 reps
:- 100kg 15 reps
:- 120kg 10 reps

Machine chest supported iso row
:- 100kg per side 12 reps
X 4 sets

Wide grip chest supported pullback machine
4 sets @ 120kg 14rps


Underhand grip lat pull downs
3 x sets @ 80kg 12 reps

Bent over undergrip smith machine rows
@ 2 sets
60 kg 20 reps
 

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Quads calves first session


3am - pre workout and morning routine

Black coffee
Vitamin c - 2000mg
Vit d3/k2 - 3000iu
Berberine -500mg
Chromium - 120mcg
Bcaas- 200ml water

:- 10iu optisulin

80grms rice cakes smashed with 20grms honey
70grms banana
300ml coconut water

Adductor x3 sets
:- 45kg 20reps
:- 66kg 15reps
:- 85kg 13reps

Leg extensions 4xsets
:-55kg 30reps
:-70kg 20 reps
:- 100kg 12reps
:- 100kg 12reps

Hack squats x4sets

:- no weight form check 30 reps
:- 40kg 20reps
:- 80kg 15reps
:-100kg 12reps

Db lunges x4 sets
:- 20kg db 20 reps
:- 20 kg 20 reps
:-30kg 10reps
:- 30kg 10reps

Calves x5 sets
Seated calf raises
@ 40kg 20reps x 4 sets

Post workout
120grms cor
100grms oats

1 scoop precision whey isolate
15 grms honey
Creatine Hcl 2000mg
300ml water

Work at 5am

2nd sess back

Pre workout
5iu novorapid

Same pre nutrition as the first session but no coffee instead 1scoop high stim pre
And 1 Kelloggs lcm bar 🤤🤤🤤

Bar pull downs x4sets
:- 50kg 20 reps
:- 85kg 15reps
:-100kg 12reps
:- 100kg 12reps

Cable rows x4 sets
:- 50kg 20reps
:- 80kg 17 reps
:- 100kg 15 reps
:- 120kg 10 reps

Machine chest supported iso row
:- 100kg per side 12 reps
X 4 sets

Wide grip chest supported pullback machine
4 sets @ 120kg 14rps


Underhand grip lat pull downs
3 x sets @ 80kg 12 reps

Bent over undergrip smith machine rows
@ 2 sets
60 kg 20 reps
Insane big arms size and back size in the pic :D @Lilbrods
the quad work with 100kg hacks and the 30kg lunges hits heavy even on that 3am start!
 
Arm day blast

1 session a day today and small being arms due to yesterday being back n quads 💪

Arm
Tricep single arm push down with cable
4 x sets
Supersetted with ez barbell bicep curls
4xsets

Tris:- 50kg @30 reps / bis:- 25kg @30reps
Tris :- 70kg @ 20reps/ bis:- 35kg @ 20reps
Tris:- 90kg @ 15reps/ bis :- 45kg @ 12reps
Tris:- 90kg @15reps / bis :- 45kg @ 12 reps

Overhead cable extensions supersetted with straight barbell curls

Tris:- 50kg @ 20reps/ bis :- 35kg @ 15reps
Tris:- 50kg @ 20reps/ bis:- 40kg @ 13reps
Tris:- 50kg@20reps/bis:- 40kg 12 reps Overhead cable

Machine dips superset with alternating db curls
Tris:- 120kg @20reps /bis 30kg@25 reps
For 4 sets

Forearms behind back wrist curls with barbell
4 sets @ 30 kg 20 reps

Preacher bench forward wrist curls
4 sets @ 30kg 10 reps

Ped and nutrition update
Coach added 300grms fruit per day 🤤🤤🤤❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

And +5iu novorapid post workout

So now consists of 10iu morning of slow release insulin

5iu pre workout novorapid fast release insulin
5iu post workout novorapid fast release insulin
💪💪💪💦
Let’s groowww guys let’s grow
 

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Arm day blast

1 session a day today and small being arms due to yesterday being back n quads 💪

Arm
Tricep single arm push down with cable
4 x sets
Supersetted with ez barbell bicep curls
4xsets

Tris:- 50kg @30 reps / bis:- 25kg @30reps
Tris :- 70kg @ 20reps/ bis:- 35kg @ 20reps
Tris:- 90kg @ 15reps/ bis :- 45kg @ 12reps
Tris:- 90kg @15reps / bis :- 45kg @ 12 reps

Overhead cable extensions supersetted with straight barbell curls

Tris:- 50kg @ 20reps/ bis :- 35kg @ 15reps
Tris:- 50kg @ 20reps/ bis:- 40kg @ 13reps
Tris:- 50kg@20reps/bis:- 40kg 12 reps Overhead cable

Machine dips superset with alternating db curls
Tris:- 120kg @20reps /bis 30kg@25 reps
For 4 sets

Forearms behind back wrist curls with barbell
4 sets @ 30 kg 20 reps

Preacher bench forward wrist curls
4 sets @ 30kg 10 reps

Ped and nutrition update
Coach added 300grms fruit per day 🤤🤤🤤❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

And +5iu novorapid post workout

So now consists of 10iu morning of slow release insulin

5iu pre workout novorapid fast release insulin
5iu post workout novorapid fast release insulin
💪💪💪💦
Let’s groowww guys let’s grow
You look huge in the pics and your arms look thick :D @Lilbrods
those 90kg cable pushes and the 45kg curls locking in real size, thats why you so thick!

Post your macros for the next few days so we can see the carbs to the insulin ratios


@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
 
Arm day blast

1 session a day today and small being arms due to yesterday being back n quads 💪

Arm
Tricep single arm push down with cable
4 x sets
Supersetted with ez barbell bicep curls
4xsets

Tris:- 50kg @30 reps / bis:- 25kg @30reps
Tris :- 70kg @ 20reps/ bis:- 35kg @ 20reps
Tris:- 90kg @ 15reps/ bis :- 45kg @ 12reps
Tris:- 90kg @15reps / bis :- 45kg @ 12 reps

Overhead cable extensions supersetted with straight barbell curls

Tris:- 50kg @ 20reps/ bis :- 35kg @ 15reps
Tris:- 50kg @ 20reps/ bis:- 40kg @ 13reps
Tris:- 50kg@20reps/bis:- 40kg 12 reps Overhead cable

Machine dips superset with alternating db curls
Tris:- 120kg @20reps /bis 30kg@25 reps
For 4 sets

Forearms behind back wrist curls with barbell
4 sets @ 30 kg 20 reps

Preacher bench forward wrist curls
4 sets @ 30kg 10 reps

Ped and nutrition update
Coach added 300grms fruit per day 🤤🤤🤤❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

And +5iu novorapid post workout

So now consists of 10iu morning of slow release insulin

5iu pre workout novorapid fast release insulin
5iu post workout novorapid fast release insulin
💪💪💪💦
Let’s groowww guys let’s grow
Some of the best arms on evo brother and can see why looking at that workout 💪
 
Arm day blast

1 session a day today and small being arms due to yesterday being back n quads 💪

Arm
Tricep single arm push down with cable
4 x sets
Supersetted with ez barbell bicep curls
4xsets

Tris:- 50kg @30 reps / bis:- 25kg @30reps
Tris :- 70kg @ 20reps/ bis:- 35kg @ 20reps
Tris:- 90kg @ 15reps/ bis :- 45kg @ 12reps
Tris:- 90kg @15reps / bis :- 45kg @ 12 reps

Overhead cable extensions supersetted with straight barbell curls

Tris:- 50kg @ 20reps/ bis :- 35kg @ 15reps
Tris:- 50kg @ 20reps/ bis:- 40kg @ 13reps
Tris:- 50kg@20reps/bis:- 40kg 12 reps Overhead cable

Machine dips superset with alternating db curls
Tris:- 120kg @20reps /bis 30kg@25 reps
For 4 sets

Forearms behind back wrist curls with barbell
4 sets @ 30 kg 20 reps

Preacher bench forward wrist curls
4 sets @ 30kg 10 reps

Ped and nutrition update
Coach added 300grms fruit per day 🤤🤤🤤❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

And +5iu novorapid post workout

So now consists of 10iu morning of slow release insulin

5iu pre workout novorapid fast release insulin
5iu post workout novorapid fast release insulin
💪💪💪💦
Let’s groowww guys let’s grow
Look at those biceps! like a tennis ball under there, nice man
 
You look huge in the pics and your arms look thick :D @Lilbrods
those 90kg cable pushes and the 45kg curls locking in real size, thats why you so thick!

Post your macros for the next few days so we can see the carbs to the insulin ratios


@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
Will do my brother macros don’t change I’m to strict for that lol but will jot down all meals for us 💪💪💚
 
My amazing fam bam..

This week we upped food yet again but we moving along now starting to see some difference with weight and overall feeling adding in the morning long acting slin

Training:-
6 day spilt
Chest-shoulders-triceps
Legs:- hamstrings, abductors calves
Back, side delts,traps
Arms-abs
Legs:-quads adductors calves
Shoulders- forearms

Nutrition:-

5108 cals
Macros :- 269.8g protein 806.2g- carbs 72.9g fats

Supplements
Ugloz platinum Test e - 750mg per week split eod
Ugloz platinum eq -300mg per week split eod

Shogun HGH :- 5ius per day, 2iu pre workout.
3iu 2 hour before bed
(Due to little sleep previous routine like to be fully bio available before being asleep for my 4- 5 hours
)

Supps
Magnesium:- 250mg Before bed
Vit d3/k2 :- 3000iu Morning
Berberine:- 500mg Breakfast (carbs)
Chromium:- 50mcg Breakfast (carbs)
Milk thistle:- 200mg Morning
Creatine hcl:- 2000mg Post workout
Vitamin c:- 2000mg Morning

Bgl averaging still around the 6 fastened so no progress on that yet but only first week of eq reduction and adding the slow release slin in the morning

Overall feeling starting to pick up a fair bit. Energy and mood a lot more stable
Training I changed up a little from coaches recommended 45 seconds break between sets gone back to my old ways of 30 seconds or less just for the mental relief it gives me by getting everything out

Hgh:- starting to get little tingles in hands waking up a little bit but very very slight and no noticeable water retention 💪💪
Sleep picking up like crazy first day 2 days ago of 7hours straight in about 5-10 years
And last nite was 6 straight so massive difference and still feeling the need for a mid afternoon nap now to so recovery is through the roof
Will be going back to training split of 2 session a day instead of the 2 body parts in same session bit more volume going in seeing as recovery is on my side right now so jumping on it and take full advantage whilst I can 😀😀
@Lilbrods Abs looking killer....great updates.........
 
Arm day blast

1 session a day today and small being arms due to yesterday being back n quads 💪

Arm
Tricep single arm push down with cable
4 x sets
Supersetted with ez barbell bicep curls
4xsets

Tris:- 50kg @30 reps / bis:- 25kg @30reps
Tris :- 70kg @ 20reps/ bis:- 35kg @ 20reps
Tris:- 90kg @ 15reps/ bis :- 45kg @ 12reps
Tris:- 90kg @15reps / bis :- 45kg @ 12 reps

Overhead cable extensions supersetted with straight barbell curls

Tris:- 50kg @ 20reps/ bis :- 35kg @ 15reps
Tris:- 50kg @ 20reps/ bis:- 40kg @ 13reps
Tris:- 50kg@20reps/bis:- 40kg 12 reps Overhead cable

Machine dips superset with alternating db curls
Tris:- 120kg @20reps /bis 30kg@25 reps
For 4 sets

Forearms behind back wrist curls with barbell
4 sets @ 30 kg 20 reps

Preacher bench forward wrist curls
4 sets @ 30kg 10 reps

Ped and nutrition update
Coach added 300grms fruit per day 🤤🤤🤤❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

And +5iu novorapid post workout

So now consists of 10iu morning of slow release insulin

5iu pre workout novorapid fast release insulin
5iu post workout novorapid fast release insulin
💪💪💪💦
Let’s groowww guys let’s grow
Jesus bro that's a bicep mountain peak. Looks like an Alien trying to burst outta hour arm LOL
 
Will do my brother macros don’t change I’m to strict for that lol but will jot down all meals for us 💪💪💚
Should cycle carbs :D
 
Hmmm that’s a decent idea never tried carb cycling really be good for the old sensitivity that’s for sure 😍💪
On the list to do brother thank you

So bgl finally on the decrease 5.3 average this week 🥰

Macros in photos this week n photo of pre n post workout macros
 

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Hmmm that’s a decent idea never tried carb cycling really be good for the old sensitivity that’s for sure 😍💪
On the list to do brother thank you

So bgl finally on the decrease 5.3 average this week 🥰

Macros in photos this week n photo of pre n post workout macros
I looked at the pics but not clear how much carbs you cycle? @Lilbrods
your arms insane! thick
 
Stupid upload.. 805 grms carbs bro

So question for all the waaayyy smarter with bio chem than me,
Did a bit of study and came across a decent connection with bolderone and exhausting the immunity system and altering the thyroid
got curious cause fair bit of boys running eq are getting sick and finding weight gain harder than usual

Would love some opinions on this one 🙏🙏🙏🙏
 

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Stupid upload.. 805 grms carbs bro

So question for all the waaayyy smarter with bio chem than me,
Did a bit of study and came across a decent connection with bolderone and exhausting the immunity system and altering the thyroid
got curious cause fair bit of boys running eq are getting sick and finding weight gain harder than usual

Would love some opinions on this one 🙏🙏🙏🙏
good abs :D @Lilbrods which studies are you talking about? cite the nih url please
 
Stupid upload.. 805 grms carbs bro

So question for all the waaayyy smarter with bio chem than me,
Did a bit of study and came across a decent connection with bolderone and exhausting the immunity system and altering the thyroid
got curious cause fair bit of boys running eq are getting sick and finding weight gain harder than usual

Would love some opinions on this one 🙏🙏🙏🙏

I read the study sorry it took me time to review it a few times and read @Lilbrods
You are on the right track connecting equipoise with immune burnout and thyroid issues, that boldenone rat study lines up almost exactly with what you are seeing in real life. But there is a huge nuance here.

This paper is a neat warning signal but as proof that EQ in humans causes autoimmune hypothyroidism it is very weak once you look under the hood. They have 30 wistar rats split into 5 groups so only 6 animals per, then they blast 1 group with boldenone undecylenate for 8 weeks, never measure serum drug levels, and then run a huge panel of immune and thyroid markers at a single end point which is a perfect recipe for noise and random statistical markers, not a solid model of what happens in a human cycles.

Check this part
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1567576921005750
“BL-treated group intramuscularly injected with BL (5 mg/kg BW, once/week)”
5mgs/kg is what they gave rats! you would think for humans it would be 100kg guy taking 500mgs eq right? NO! not even close. This dose is about 5000mgs (yes 5 grams) for humans. Rats have a completely different metabolism and clearance. It's not a 1:1 ratio, they were not using Chimps.

If you keep reading that whole study, what they call autoimmune clinical hypothyroidism is basically a sick stressed thyroid picture at 1 time point higher TSH, lower T3 and T4, more thyroid peroxidase antibodies, inflamed tissue on histology, which you can see with lots of toxins or systemic illness and is not the same as proving a true chronic autoimmune disease.

They also never include a testosterone group, nandrolone group, or any other androgen comparison, so they cannot honestly say this pattern is unique to boldenone rather than just what temporarily happens when you hammer rats with any long acting androgen at that load.

Vitamin C jumped at me! I had to read that 3 times lol.
The fact that high dose vitamin C brings a lot of their changes back toward normal actually just means high oxidative stress toxicity more than a clean specific autoimmune switch, and since there are no controlled human data showing equipoise alone reliably triggers autoimmune thyroid disease, the honest takeaway is that this is one small rodent toxicity study that deserves a footnote when you judge eq risk, not a mic drop that everyone on eq is doomed to get autoimmune hypothyroidism.

Now plug that into your observation that a bunch of boys on eq get sick more and find weight gain harder than it should be, sounds to me like they lack antioxidants. High vitamin C should be recommended with equipoise going forward imo, along with cycle support organ liver support and NAC.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman @Madmax46
 
I read the study sorry it took me time to review it a few times and read @Lilbrods
You are on the right track connecting equipoise with immune burnout and thyroid issues, that boldenone rat study lines up almost exactly with what you are seeing in real life. But there is a huge nuance here.

This paper is a neat warning signal but as proof that EQ in humans causes autoimmune hypothyroidism it is very weak once you look under the hood. They have 30 wistar rats split into 5 groups so only 6 animals per, then they blast 1 group with boldenone undecylenate for 8 weeks, never measure serum drug levels, and then run a huge panel of immune and thyroid markers at a single end point which is a perfect recipe for noise and random statistical markers, not a solid model of what happens in a human cycles.

Check this part
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1567576921005750

5mgs/kg is what they gave rats! you would think for humans it would be 100kg guy taking 500mgs eq right? NO! not even close. This dose is about 5000mgs (yes 5 grams) for humans. Rats have a completely different metabolism and clearance. It's not a 1:1 ratio, they were not using Chimps.

If you keep reading that whole study, what they call autoimmune clinical hypothyroidism is basically a sick stressed thyroid picture at 1 time point higher TSH, lower T3 and T4, more thyroid peroxidase antibodies, inflamed tissue on histology, which you can see with lots of toxins or systemic illness and is not the same as proving a true chronic autoimmune disease.

They also never include a testosterone group, nandrolone group, or any other androgen comparison, so they cannot honestly say this pattern is unique to boldenone rather than just what temporarily happens when you hammer rats with any long acting androgen at that load.

Vitamin C jumped at me! I had to read that 3 times lol.
The fact that high dose vitamin C brings a lot of their changes back toward normal actually just means high oxidative stress toxicity more than a clean specific autoimmune switch, and since there are no controlled human data showing equipoise alone reliably triggers autoimmune thyroid disease, the honest takeaway is that this is one small rodent toxicity study that deserves a footnote when you judge eq risk, not a mic drop that everyone on eq is doomed to get autoimmune hypothyroidism.

Now plug that into your observation that a bunch of boys on eq get sick more and find weight gain harder than it should be, sounds to me like they lack antioxidants. High vitamin C should be recommended with equipoise going forward imo, along with cycle support organ liver support and NAC.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman @Madmax46
Really good summary. Thanks for taking the time to go through that study for us @LevButlerov
 
I read the study sorry it took me time to review it a few times and read @Lilbrods
You are on the right track connecting equipoise with immune burnout and thyroid issues, that boldenone rat study lines up almost exactly with what you are seeing in real life. But there is a huge nuance here.

This paper is a neat warning signal but as proof that EQ in humans causes autoimmune hypothyroidism it is very weak once you look under the hood. They have 30 wistar rats split into 5 groups so only 6 animals per, then they blast 1 group with boldenone undecylenate for 8 weeks, never measure serum drug levels, and then run a huge panel of immune and thyroid markers at a single end point which is a perfect recipe for noise and random statistical markers, not a solid model of what happens in a human cycles.

Check this part
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1567576921005750

5mgs/kg is what they gave rats! you would think for humans it would be 100kg guy taking 500mgs eq right? NO! not even close. This dose is about 5000mgs (yes 5 grams) for humans. Rats have a completely different metabolism and clearance. It's not a 1:1 ratio, they were not using Chimps.

If you keep reading that whole study, what they call autoimmune clinical hypothyroidism is basically a sick stressed thyroid picture at 1 time point higher TSH, lower T3 and T4, more thyroid peroxidase antibodies, inflamed tissue on histology, which you can see with lots of toxins or systemic illness and is not the same as proving a true chronic autoimmune disease.

They also never include a testosterone group, nandrolone group, or any other androgen comparison, so they cannot honestly say this pattern is unique to boldenone rather than just what temporarily happens when you hammer rats with any long acting androgen at that load.

Vitamin C jumped at me! I had to read that 3 times lol.
The fact that high dose vitamin C brings a lot of their changes back toward normal actually just means high oxidative stress toxicity more than a clean specific autoimmune switch, and since there are no controlled human data showing equipoise alone reliably triggers autoimmune thyroid disease, the honest takeaway is that this is one small rodent toxicity study that deserves a footnote when you judge eq risk, not a mic drop that everyone on eq is doomed to get autoimmune hypothyroidism.

Now plug that into your observation that a bunch of boys on eq get sick more and find weight gain harder than it should be, sounds to me like they lack antioxidants. High vitamin C should be recommended with equipoise going forward imo, along with cycle support organ liver support and NAC.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman @Madmax46
Excellent analysis and reply! Top notch. In fact I just bought chewable grape flavoured vitamin C @ 500mg to add to my supp stack. I love the correlation you were able to discern between high oxidative stress and Vitamin C.

Great work here!
 
Massive massive thank you @LevButlerov

I did have a hypothesis about the ratio aswell but like you said so so so many factors to waver in, receptors sensitivity to the eq, vitc digestion of vit c and antioxidants etc…but thank you so damn much for looking into it for me really really appreciate you 😍😍😍😍❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Wasn’t really the autoimmune disease that jumped at me it was the idea of the pituitary gland manipulation and then the addition with most boys on HGH was the hypothesis of growing a pituitary gland tumor faster than average ( cell growth from hgh) again not an all around pure heriditary predisposition would play a massive role in that factor
But for what vit c is worth would be my opinion to add it regardless at a control non toxic dose 💪❤️❤️❤️🙏
 
So we finally getting bgl under control, weight starting to climb again finally food finally filling my fat ass up. So we at the sweet spot now!!

Current stats:-
96.2kg
8-10%bf
178cm
35years old

Oh oh and the most important, actually averaging 6-7hours solid sleep a night which for me hasn’t happened since I was 18-20years old so yes massive deal for me 🤤😍😍😍

Training:-
Noticing with the low volume on chest it isn’t responding aswell as the high volume

So next 2 weeks i am going to expand time under tension during chest workout but decreasing tempo 💪💪
But keeping to program

Nutrition:-
Macros
Protein-262.2grms carbs- 800.5grms fats-73.7grms

Protein is purely from foods, so will be upping protein this week with additional protein powder and carbs be upped with finally getting some intra workout in with powered carbs. 💪💪

PEDS:-

UGLOZ Platinum Test E - 750mg per week
UGLOZ Platinum eq - 300mg per week

:- feeling 💯 better with the drop back on the eq
( training aggression back, lethargy way less and overall mood a lot more consistent)
Obviously due to e2 starting to rectify itself

UGLOZ Shogun HGH 5iu daily
Have had to push it back to only being before bed due to time efficiency and not being able to get it intramuscular and waiting an hour before training but will hopefully when work settles down get back to the 2iu intramuscular pre workout 🤞

Optisulin:- 10iu morning
Novorapid:- 5iu pre workout/5iu post workout

UGLOZ Retarditide:- 500mg per week
(Another decrease, due to thoughout mite be also a cause of high bgl)

BGL:-
Now averaging high 4s throughout entire day 😍
Also a massive contributing factor to less lethargy and improved mood

Supps:-

Vit d3/k2 3000iu Morning
Berberine 500mg Breakfast
Chromium 400mcg Breakfast
Magnesium 800mg Bed
Milk thistle x2tabs Morning
Creatine hcl tabs x3 Post workout

Vit c 2000mg Spilt Morning/night
Added with concern of eq effecting immunity system 💪🤞
 

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they are pinning rats equivalent of 5000mgs of eq lol @BeMe
Also would this not because they wanted a faster test result??? Could this equate to a less dose for longer period of time under use you think bro??
 
So we finally getting bgl under control, weight starting to climb again finally food finally filling my fat ass up. So we at the sweet spot now!!

Current stats:-
96.2kg
8-10%bf
178cm
35years old

Oh oh and the most important, actually averaging 6-7hours solid sleep a night which for me hasn’t happened since I was 18-20years old so yes massive deal for me 🤤😍😍😍

Training:-
Noticing with the low volume on chest it isn’t responding aswell as the high volume

So next 2 weeks i am going to expand time under tension during chest workout but decreasing tempo 💪💪
But keeping to program

Nutrition:-
Macros
Protein-262.2grms carbs- 800.5grms fats-73.7grms

Protein is purely from foods, so will be upping protein this week with additional protein powder and carbs be upped with finally getting some intra workout in with powered carbs. 💪💪

PEDS:-

UGLOZ Platinum Test E - 750mg per week
UGLOZ Platinum eq - 300mg per week

:- feeling 💯 better with the drop back on the eq
( training aggression back, lethargy way less and overall mood a lot more consistent)
Obviously due to e2 starting to rectify itself

UGLOZ Shogun HGH 5iu daily
Have had to push it back to only being before bed due to time efficiency and not being able to get it intramuscular and waiting an hour before training but will hopefully when work settles down get back to the 2iu intramuscular pre workout 🤞

Optisulin:- 10iu morning
Novorapid:- 5iu pre workout/5iu post workout

UGLOZ Retarditide:- 500mg per week
(Another decrease, due to thoughout mite be also a cause of high bgl)

BGL:-
Now averaging high 4s throughout entire day 😍
Also a massive contributing factor to less lethargy and improved mood

Supps:-

Vit d3/k2 3000iu Morning
Berberine 500mg Breakfast
Chromium 400mcg Breakfast
Magnesium 800mg Bed
Milk thistle x2tabs Morning
Creatine hcl tabs x3 Post workout

Vit c 2000mg Spilt Morning/night
Added with concern of eq effecting immunity system 💪🤞
Looking crazy brother / your chest is literally goals
 
Also would this not because they wanted a faster test result??? Could this equate to a less dose for longer period of time under use you think bro??
Whatever they wanted, you pin someone 5000mgs of eq they going to have sides right lol @Lilbrods
 
So we finally getting bgl under control, weight starting to climb again finally food finally filling my fat ass up. So we at the sweet spot now!!

Current stats:-
96.2kg
8-10%bf
178cm
35years old

Oh oh and the most important, actually averaging 6-7hours solid sleep a night which for me hasn’t happened since I was 18-20years old so yes massive deal for me 🤤😍😍😍

Training:-
Noticing with the low volume on chest it isn’t responding aswell as the high volume

So next 2 weeks i am going to expand time under tension during chest workout but decreasing tempo 💪💪
But keeping to program

Nutrition:-
Macros
Protein-262.2grms carbs- 800.5grms fats-73.7grms

Protein is purely from foods, so will be upping protein this week with additional protein powder and carbs be upped with finally getting some intra workout in with powered carbs. 💪💪

PEDS:-

UGLOZ Platinum Test E - 750mg per week
UGLOZ Platinum eq - 300mg per week

:- feeling 💯 better with the drop back on the eq
( training aggression back, lethargy way less and overall mood a lot more consistent)
Obviously due to e2 starting to rectify itself

UGLOZ Shogun HGH 5iu daily
Have had to push it back to only being before bed due to time efficiency and not being able to get it intramuscular and waiting an hour before training but will hopefully when work settles down get back to the 2iu intramuscular pre workout 🤞

Optisulin:- 10iu morning
Novorapid:- 5iu pre workout/5iu post workout

UGLOZ Retarditide:- 500mg per week
(Another decrease, due to thoughout mite be also a cause of high bgl)

BGL:-
Now averaging high 4s throughout entire day 😍
Also a massive contributing factor to less lethargy and improved mood

Supps:-

Vit d3/k2 3000iu Morning
Berberine 500mg Breakfast
Chromium 400mcg Breakfast
Magnesium 800mg Bed
Milk thistle x2tabs Morning
Creatine hcl tabs x3 Post workout

Vit c 2000mg Spilt Morning/night
Added with concern of eq effecting immunity system 💪🤞
Good thick arms in the pics :D @Lilbrods
the lower eq dose is exactly what you want , dont want to crash e2
hgh go slow on it
 
Massive massive thank you @LevButlerov

I did have a hypothesis about the ratio aswell but like you said so so so many factors to waver in, receptors sensitivity to the eq, vitc digestion of vit c and antioxidants etc…but thank you so damn much for looking into it for me really really appreciate you 😍😍😍😍❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Wasn’t really the autoimmune disease that jumped at me it was the idea of the pituitary gland manipulation and then the addition with most boys on HGH was the hypothesis of growing a pituitary gland tumor faster than average ( cell growth from hgh) again not an all around pure heriditary predisposition would play a massive role in that factor
But for what vit c is worth would be my opinion to add it regardless at a control non toxic dose 💪❤️❤️❤️🙏
I think mainly the issue with any gear or anything in life, even bad food, is oxidative stressors, we should talk about them more. I'm going to megathread it. @Lilbrods
 
they are pinning rats equivalent of 5000mgs of eq lol @BeMe
Yea I know. So many rat studies use mega doses and then people just read a summary and say oh did you know such and such causes cancer lol
 
Yea I know. So many rat studies use mega doses and then people just read a summary and say oh did you know such and such causes cancer lol
I dont see how these would work on people right lol
 
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