2nd Cycle - Test/EQ/Dbol

[Jacked_Swellington]

Hey guys, I'm new here, thanks for having me.

I'm looking at running my second cycle, first cycle was 600mg Test E/wk for 12 weeks. This is what I have planned for my second, looking for any advice regarding dosages and duration. Also any advice on PCT, I was going to try and get away with Nolvadex but lmk if you think it's necessary to include Clomid for this cycle. Also, I know the Perfect PCT says to use aromasin, I see alot of mixed thoughts on using aromasin for PCT, any advice will be appreciated. I enjoy doing the research and am trying to do this as safely and responsibly as possible. Thanks in advance. Here is what I've come up with:

Weeks 1-20:
600mg Test E/wk
750mg EQ/wk

Weeks 1-6:
40mg Dbol/ed

Weeks 1-20:
25mg Aromasin 2x/wk

Nolvadex and Cialis if needed.

On-Cycle Support:

500mg Tudca/ed (liver)
4000mg Fish Oil/ed (bp)
350mg Red Clover/ed (blood)
665mg Hawthorn Berry/ed (heart)
375mg Milk Thistle/ed (liver)
400mg Grape Seed Extract/ed (heart)
2000mg Stinging Nettle/ed (prostate)
500mg Saw Palmetto/ed (prostate)
1200mg Phosphatidyl Cholin/ed
500mg Glutathione/ed (antioxidant)
1000mg Acetyl L-Carnitine/ed
2000mg Potassium/ed
288mg Magnesium/ed
100mg Zinc/ed
400mg L-Theanine/ed (mood)
1000mg Cordyceps/ed (performance)
1000mg Lion's Mane/ed (cognition)
3600mg L-Citrulline/ed (circulation)
1000mg Beet Root/ed (circulation)
50000iu Vitamin D3/ed
100mg Vitamin K2/ed
100mg Vitamin B6/ed



Post-Cycle Therapy:
(Will include everything used for On Cycle Support in addition to

Weeks 1-7:

25mg Cardarine/ed
25mg MK-677/ed
600mg Fadogia Agrestis/ed (test)
1020mg Tongkat Ali/ed (test)
1000mg Tribulus Terestris/ed (libido)
2400mg Fenugreek/ed (test)
1000mg Ashwaghanda/ed (test)
1000mg Horny Goat Weed/ed (libido)


Weeks 3-4:

40mg Nolvadex/ed
25mg Ostarine/ed

Weeks 5-7:

20mg Nolvadex/ed
25mg Ostarine/ed

 

[stevesmi]

this is certainly a bulking stack and you will put on a lot of water too. if that is what you want then go for it

 

[Jacked_Swellington]

this is certainly a bulking stack and you will put on a lot of water too. if that is what you want then go for it

I'm definitely looking to build muscle, I'm considering another stack:

Weeks 1-12:
600mg/wk Test E
25mg Aromasin 2x/wk

Weeks 1-10:
300mg/wk Deca

Weeks 1-4:
50mg/ed Dbol

Which do you like better? I'm a bit concerned with aromatization and from what I understand you're not supposed to use Nolvadex while cycling deca so I'm worried about what to do if a gyno flare-up up occurs on this stack. Thanks for your input.

 

[Jacked_Swellington]

I forgot to include the Proviron in the second stack option so it actually looks like this:

Weeks 1-12:
600mg/wk Test E
50mg/ed Proviron
25mg Aromasin 2x/wk

Weeks 1-10:
300mg/wk Deca

Weeks 1-4:
50mg/ed Dbol

 

[dylangemelli]

I like the test, eq and dbol combo better personally but thats entirely up to you and what fulfills the needs/wants of your goals... personally, its just way too much test for me but thats up to you... its just not necessary to run that much... watch these videos for an explanation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zcX2iIDIbM&t=9s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFw3jNYVIfw

as far as aromasin in pct, yes, thats a no brainer however one of the issues that people encounter is just dosing it too high.. thats on you go get it dialed in but also watch this video on the perfect pct... aromasin not only increases IGF levels in pct, which is huge for recovery but its also about preventing estrogen rebound, which arimidex will not do but aromasin does and its very important on a cycle like this that has a lot of estrogen conversion.. i would also consider lowering dbol to 30 mg per day.. you will still get tremendous results but keep the sides lower and get cleaner and more keepable results...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5rZKKUrn-4


when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well… N2Guard plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on…N2Guard helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.





clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/40/20/20
aromasin (adjust as needed)
N2Guard
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[stevesmi]

I forgot to include the Proviron in the second stack option so it actually looks like this:

Weeks 1-12:
600mg/wk Test E
50mg/ed Proviron
25mg Aromasin 2x/wk

Weeks 1-10:
300mg/wk Deca

Weeks 1-4:
50mg/ed Dbol

in my experience with this stack. that amount of dbol is counter productive. if you want dbol then run 20mgs max. 50mgs is way too much even solo.

i would even say drop the dbol entirely. if you want to kickstart with an oral use tbol instead. the only caveat is if you want too much appetite and water increase. some guys do.

 

[Fella Finn]

Dylan and Steve have you given you tremendous advice. I can follow up with saying that I used to use far too much testosterone myself and once I listened and realized that less is more, I started to get far better results with a lot lower side effects

 

[Jacked_Swellington]

Thank you so much everyone, all the advice has been extremely helpful! I'm so glad I decided to join this community, I'm really trying to do everything the right way.

 

[StreetSavage0303]

I am actually on that cycle right now, but I ran an adrol kickstsrt

Also, this is very far from my second cycle. Might be a little high given your experience

I did have a bit of an anxiety issue very early on, but no issue now

Strong af with no water retention to note. Sitting around 12% bf

 

[Jacked_Swellington]

I am actually on that cycle right now, but I ran an adrol kickstsrt

Also, this is very far from my second cycle. Might be a little high given your experience

I did have a bit of an anxiety issue very early on, but no issue now

Strong af with no water retention to note. Sitting around 12% bf

I think I will take these guys advice and lower the test and dbol and maybe shorten the cycle up to like 14 weeks.

 

[StreetSavage0303]

I think that is very sensible

I am tapering down to 500 EQ and 300 test for the last 4 weeks

Forgot to mention I’m on 3-1/3 iU HGH per day too

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I think that is very sensible

I am tapering down to 500 EQ and 300 test for the last 4 weeks

Forgot to mention I’m on 3-1/3 iU HGH per day too

You going to post up the diet and training for this cycle as a log?

 

[StreetSavage0303]

You going to post up the diet and training for this cycle as a log?

Man, my bad. This the second time you called me out on my log lol. I’m almost done with this blast and I can’t get the initiative to log

I am definitely going to log my next one which will be a cut cycle

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Man, my bad. This the second time you called me out on my log lol. I’m almost done with this blast and I can’t get the initiative to log

I am definitely going to log my next one which will be a cut cycle

too bad you didnt log this time, we were waiting bro

 

[Seventieschild]

Finally someone that knows how to dose EQ properly.

 

[Jacked_Swellington]

From researching the best labs on the forums I'm going to go with Euro Pharmaceutical and order through napsgear, they're having a 35% off sale thru new years, Hella deal! Thanks for all the great info, I wouldn't have found out about napsgear or euro if it wasn't for these forums. Much appreciated! I will post a log when I start this cycle.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

From researching the best labs on the forums I'm going to go with Euro Pharmaceutical and order through napsgear, they're having a 35% off sale thru new years, Hella deal! Thanks for all the great info, I wouldn't have found out about napsgear or euro if it wasn't for these forums. Much appreciated! I will post a log when I start this cycle.

waiting on your log jacked come back to us

 

[Jacked_Swellington]

Ok guys, I'm getting ready to start this cycle in two weeks, I'm going to be running the dbol at 20mg/ed for the first 3 weeks, my question is do I need to run N2Guard for the duration of the cycle or just for the first few weeks while I'm running the dbol? I will be posting a log of this cycle as well. Thank you guys for all your help.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Ok guys, I'm getting ready to start this cycle in two weeks, I'm going to be running the dbol at 20mg/ed for the first 3 weeks, my question is do I need to run N2Guard for the duration of the cycle or just for the first few weeks while I'm running the dbol? I will be posting a log of this cycle as well. Thank you guys for all your help.

Great to hear. I was waiting to see your cycle and LOG.

For n2guard, you use it with orals and injectables but doses different.
why use n2guard after orals? injectables still hit your kidneys liver and heart and bp, you need cycle support.

A) during oral steroid use, take 7caps n2guard ed, 3 caps AM 4 caps noon
B) after orals when injectables only, take 5 caps n2guard ed 3 caps am 2 caps noon.

Also, try to do dbol for at least 4 weeks, 3 weeks is too short.

We are waiting for your LOG journal, lets see it.