Cycle (MPB Friendly) - Lean Mass with Final Cutting - ADVICE PLEASE

[milan89]

Hello Guys I explain how I would organize my bulking cycle with final cutting. I accept comments and advice. The most important thing is the hair and maybe and I say maybe get a physique like that of Sergie Constance, in two years of solid diet and workout.

*****Mass cycle with Final cutting****
Bulking:
Weeks 1-8: Test Enanthate @ 250mg per week (1 shoot per week - 250mg Sunday)
Week 1-8: PEG-MGF @ 200mg rest Day (2 Day to week)
Weeks 1-3: Superdrol @ 30mg ED
Weeks 4-6: LGD4033 SARM 12mg ED
Weeks 6-8: Superdrol @ 30mg ED
Week 2-8: HCG therapy (250ui 2xW)

Final Cutting:
Week 9-10: Test Propionate @ 100mg EOD
Week 9-10: Slin @ 5ui 2xd / DNP @ 400mg ED max 10day

PCT:
Week 11-14:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 20/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/12.5/7.5
Week 11-14: IGF1-LR3 @ 11mcg PWO
Week 11-14: Slin @ 5ui 2xd / DNP @ 200mg combo into PCT optional to 10day
Week 11-14: Ostarine 25/12.5/6/0

Important safety protocol hair (start four weeks before the cycle):
Dutas 0.5mg ED
One application of minoxidril 5% in the morning with RU58441 5% powder mixed
One application of minoxidril 5% in the evening with RU58441 5% powder mixed

Ancillaries on cycle and pct:
Nolvadex 10-20mg
Aromasin 12.5mg
Dutas 0.5mg
cycle Support 9cps ED
Tudca 200mg*3cps ED
letrozole if need
Minoxidril 5% + RU powder

Supps:
Multivitamin
JointSupport
Omega3 cps and Liquid
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Acid Alpha Lipoic


I know of other compounds that could be used as well HGH, the Tbol, Var to avoid loss of hair. If you have to give me advice on what I could use as an alternative to Superdrol for mass or something else that during cutting that mass would be appreciated. For example, to have a greater vascularity.
I checked all the profiles of stuff available, I would not use GH to avoid enlargement of the intestine, nandrolone I would not use it to avoid suspend finasteride or dutasteride .. Equinose, trenbolone, Masteron, Halotestin, Dianabol and etc. can all cause loss hair. I know of other compounds as well test-e -c or -p, low-dose with 5ar inibitor and those mentioned above(HGH, tbol, var).

For example would be good for mass use insulin with gh (5ui slin with gh 2ui twice a day). But I would not risk to expand my waist.


I look forward your advice.

Matt

 

[muskate]

1. If you are worried about your hair - drop the superdrol. Superdrol is one of the worst things you can possibly put into your body for your hair line. Use tbol at 30mg/day instead.

2. You need a much better liver aid. The cycle you are running is very aggressive. Use N2guard from n2bm.com instead. 7 capsules/day.
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Cycle-Support/N2-GUARD-p75.html

3. I strongly advise AGAINST using HCG with your cycle. Many bodybuilders are under the incorrect misconception that HCG usage will help them recover post cycle or keep testicular shrinkage to a minimum while on cycle. I am not sure where this misconception came from but it is very incorrect. HCG is extracted from pregnant female urine. You read that correctly. It is a form of estrogen and causes estrogen levels to rise. High estrogen levels can lead to gynecomastia, increased body fat levels and water retention. Even worse, if HCG is used for too long or in high enough doses, it will inhibit your own testosterone production due to the negative feedback loop via the pituitary gland and hypothalamus.

Use HCGenerate ES or HCGenerate instead to keep HPTA suppression and testicular atrophy to a minimum. 5 capsules/day
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/H...rder-p238.html
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/C...erate-p45.html

4. Don't use insulin or peptides with your cycle. Both will contribute to an enlarged gut. The vast majority of peptides and HGH on the market are also fake. Use nutrabol from sarms1.com. Nutrabol is an HGH analogue that signals the pituitary gland to increase HGH output. Order it from sarms1.com and dose 25mg/day (10mg AM 10mg PM)
http://www.evolutionary.org/nutrobal-mk-677-ibutamoren

5. Your PCT needs major improvement. After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[aggirl]

Muskate has you covered here.

I'm guessing this is not your first goo with anabolics.

 

[MikeSnow]

cutting with slin ? very difficult

 

[milan89]

cutting with slin ? very difficult

Hello Mike, I see that you are a great member, with a lot of experience. But in your opinion that cycles do fitness model as Sergi Constance? they have a head of hair, very thick hair and good hair line. But they are highly vascular, so I was wondering who knows they did use Tren Ace low dose, in addition to Test-P and etc. The secret of their vascularity might be just DNP with slin?

- - - Updated - - -

*****Mass cycle with Final cutting****
Bulking:
Week 1-8: Test Propionate @ 100mg EOD
Week 1-3: Superdrol @ 30mg ED
Week 6-8: Tbol @ 60mg ED(+mass) or Var @ 50mg ED (+hardness)
Week 2-8: hcg therapy (250ui 2xW)

Week 1-8: PEG-MGF @ 200mg rest Day (2 Day to week)
Weeks 4-6: LGD4033 SARM 12mg ED


Final Cutting:
Week 9-10: Test Propionate @ 100mg EOD
Week 9-10: DNP @ 400mg ED max 10day
Week 9-10: Tbol @ 60mg ED(+mass) or Var @ 50mg ED (+hardness)
Week 9-10: hcg therapy (250ui 2xW)


PCT updated:
Week 11-14/15:
clomid 75/50/50/25
nolva 40/20/20/20/10
aromasin 12.5 EOD/12.5 EOD/7.5 EOD/7.5 EOD
Ostarine 25/12.5/6/0

Week 11-14: IGF1-LR3 @ 11mcg PWO (OPTIONALS in doubt whether to include it, question in down read)
Week 11-12: Slin @ 5ui 2xd / DNP @ 200mg combo into PCT optional to max 10day (OPTIONALS in doubt whether to include it, question in down read)


Important safety protocol hair (start four weeks before the cycle):
Dutas 0.5mg ED
One application of minoxidril 5% in the morning with RU58441 5% powder mixed
One application of minoxidril 5% in the evening with RU58441 5% powder mixed

Ancillaries on cycle and pct:
Nolvadex 10-20mg
Aromasin 12.5mg
Dutas 0.5mg
cycle Support 9cps ED
Tudca 200mg*3cps ED
letrozole if need
Minoxidril 5% + RU powder

Supps:
Multivitamin
JointSupport
Omega3 cps and Liquid
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Acid Alpha Lipoic


I know of other compounds that could be used as well HGH, the Tbol, Var to avoid loss of hair. If you have to give me advice on what I could use as an alternative to Superdrol for mass or something else that during cutting that mass would be appreciated. For example, to have a greater vascularity.
I checked all the profiles of stuff available, I would not use GH to avoid enlargement of the intestine, nandrolone I would not use it to avoid suspend finasteride or dutasteride .. Equinose, trenbolone, Masteron, Halotestin, Dianabol and etc. can all cause loss hair. I know of other compounds as well test-e -c or -p, low-dose with 5ar inibitor and those mentioned above(HGH, tbol, var).

For example would be good for mass use insulin with gh (5ui slin with gh 2ui twice a day). But I would not risk to expand my waist.


I look forward your advice.

Matt



Question regarding the Cycle:
- this cycle is fine in your opinion? Two orals? There are injectable compounds that can be used without loss of hair and perfect compatibility with 5ar inhibitors?masteron low dose, Boldenone low dose, tren ace low dose to example??

- Insulin 5ui 2xd is good with DNP? it could widen the gut its use? or better to avoid it and use Tbol or Var during the Final Cutting? 10day of slin can widen my gut?

- IGF1-LR3 @ 11mcg PWO, I've used it in the past, it could widen the gut its use?
I would use it only on muscles freshly trained, more responsive to igf, and injected locally in the target muscle, only on training days and PWO, immediately after training


Questions regarding the Bridge:
- Time, I'd go for 6-8 weeks, it depends on proven results from blood tests. Test values and etc ...
- Question? Six weeks if the blood values are correct are enough?

- The peptides GH releasers can expand MY waistline?
- Peptides as Ipamorelin / CJC-no dac blend, 300mcg 3xd for 6-8week, can widen waist size? used it morning, preworkout and prebed.

 

[LevButlerov]

Even if their secret was DNP, you don't want to risk your life, literally, just for some vascularity. Use safer compounds for that, and don't overcomplicate things. And using insulin will make it even more dangerous. Let me ask you - are you a Mr Olympia contestant? If the answer is no, you should not even think about insulin - that shit is dangerous too, and it can also kill you very easily.

 

[stevesmi]

genetics my friend. some people are born to be models and the rest of us are just ugly meatheads

trying to turn yourself into a model is not possible.

 

[muskate]

Hello Mike, I see that you are a great member, with a lot of experience. But in your opinion that cycles do fitness model as Sergi Constance? they have a head of hair, very thick hair and good hair line. But they are highly vascular, so I was wondering who knows they did use Tren Ace low dose, in addition to Test-P and etc. The secret of their vascularity might be just DNP with slin?

- - - Updated - - -

*****Mass cycle with Final cutting****
Bulking:
Week 1-8: Test Propionate @ 100mg EOD
Week 1-3: Superdrol @ 30mg ED
Week 6-8: Tbol @ 60mg ED(+mass) or Var @ 50mg ED (+hardness)
Week 2-8: hcg therapy (250ui 2xW)

Week 1-8: PEG-MGF @ 200mg rest Day (2 Day to week)
Weeks 4-6: LGD4033 SARM 12mg ED


Final Cutting:
Week 9-10: Test Propionate @ 100mg EOD
Week 9-10: DNP @ 400mg ED max 10day
Week 9-10: Tbol @ 60mg ED(+mass) or Var @ 50mg ED (+hardness)
Week 9-10: hcg therapy (250ui 2xW)


PCT updated:
Week 11-14/15:
clomid 75/50/50/25
nolva 40/20/20/20/10
aromasin 12.5 EOD/12.5 EOD/7.5 EOD/7.5 EOD
Ostarine 25/12.5/6/0

Week 11-14: IGF1-LR3 @ 11mcg PWO (OPTIONALS in doubt whether to include it, question in down read)
Week 11-12: Slin @ 5ui 2xd / DNP @ 200mg combo into PCT optional to max 10day (OPTIONALS in doubt whether to include it, question in down read)


Important safety protocol hair (start four weeks before the cycle):
Dutas 0.5mg ED
One application of minoxidril 5% in the morning with RU58441 5% powder mixed
One application of minoxidril 5% in the evening with RU58441 5% powder mixed

Ancillaries on cycle and pct:
Nolvadex 10-20mg
Aromasin 12.5mg
Dutas 0.5mg
cycle Support 9cps ED
Tudca 200mg*3cps ED
letrozole if need
Minoxidril 5% + RU powder

Supps:
Multivitamin
JointSupport
Omega3 cps and Liquid
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Acid Alpha Lipoic


I know of other compounds that could be used as well HGH, the Tbol, Var to avoid loss of hair. If you have to give me advice on what I could use as an alternative to Superdrol for mass or something else that during cutting that mass would be appreciated. For example, to have a greater vascularity.
I checked all the profiles of stuff available, I would not use GH to avoid enlargement of the intestine, nandrolone I would not use it to avoid suspend finasteride or dutasteride .. Equinose, trenbolone, Masteron, Halotestin, Dianabol and etc. can all cause loss hair. I know of other compounds as well test-e -c or -p, low-dose with 5ar inibitor and those mentioned above(HGH, tbol, var).

For example would be good for mass use insulin with gh (5ui slin with gh 2ui twice a day). But I would not risk to expand my waist.


I look forward your advice.

Matt



Question regarding the Cycle:
- this cycle is fine in your opinion? Two orals? There are injectable compounds that can be used without loss of hair and perfect compatibility with 5ar inhibitors?masteron low dose, Boldenone low dose, tren ace low dose to example??

- Insulin 5ui 2xd is good with DNP? it could widen the gut its use? or better to avoid it and use Tbol or Var during the Final Cutting? 10day of slin can widen my gut?

- IGF1-LR3 @ 11mcg PWO, I've used it in the past, it could widen the gut its use?
I would use it only on muscles freshly trained, more responsive to igf, and injected locally in the target muscle, only on training days and PWO, immediately after training


Questions regarding the Bridge:
- Time, I'd go for 6-8 weeks, it depends on proven results from blood tests. Test values and etc ...
- Question? Six weeks if the blood values are correct are enough?

- The peptides GH releasers can expand MY waistline?
- Peptides as Ipamorelin / CJC-no dac blend, 300mcg 3xd for 6-8week, can widen waist size? used it morning, preworkout and prebed.

I see you didn't take any of my advice.

YES peptides can increase waist size. Especially when the majority of them are fake and actually HCG. HCG is a form of estrogen. High estrogen levels lead to increased body fat levels, especially around the mid section.
Use nutrabol from sarms1.com instead.

As I already said, 2 orals in the same cycle is going to be extremely liver toxic. I personally would remove the superdrol. Make sure you are using a good AI with your cycle. I recommend N2guard from n2bm.com at 7 capsules/day.
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Cycle-Support/N2-GUARD-p75.html

Drop the insulin and DNP. Both are not needed and will do more harm then good.

-Do your cycle
- Run your PCT (I would add HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com to it)
- Do your 8 week bridge
- Take 3-4 weeks completely off and then get blood work done. If everything is in the normal range, you can start your next cycle.

 

[milan89]

genetics my friend. some people are born to be models and the rest of us are just ugly meatheads

trying to turn yourself into a model is not possible.

Steve, I have good stats and think that really be enough 9-11kg(20-25lbs) for completing my goals.

I really perhaps need only one cycle like this to achieve my goals. Currently I have the following stats:

Stats:
Height: 72"
Weight: 202lbs -> final goals 210-215lbs
BF: 9% -> BF 5%
Water: 67%

 

[LevButlerov]

Steve, I have good stats and think that really be enough 9-11kg(20-25lbs) for completing my goals.

I really perhaps need only one cycle like this to achieve my goals. Currently I have the following stats:

Stats:
Height: 72"
Weight: 202lbs -> final goals 210-215lbs
BF: 9% -> BF 5%
Water: 67%

Better run several milder and safer cycles, and get the same results a bit slower, but in a much more sustainable manner. Bodybuilding is about being gradual, and if you try to get everything at once, you will not go far.

 

[stevesmi]

Steve, I have good stats and think that really be enough 9-11kg(20-25lbs) for completing my goals.

I really perhaps need only one cycle like this to achieve my goals. Currently I have the following stats:

Stats:
Height: 72"
Weight: 202lbs -> final goals 210-215lbs
BF: 9% -> BF 5%
Water: 67%

if you have the looks and body for it then go for it.

I would stay conservative with your dosages no matter what you choose to run. it is crucial you not go overboard with the wrong compounds, if you ran wet compounds you would add a lot of water weight.. seen a lot of guys ruin their bodies using too much dbol and test for example. they turn into bloated fish.

 

[MikeSnow]

I don't know your experience exactly but the more cycles I run and see guys run, I find the less compounds and dosages to be needed